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Old 1st June 2006, 12:11 PM   #1161
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Originally Posted by azazal View Post
Yes, yes it is, first ninja image on google that looked wavish
Why can I remember that obscure tidbit but not the name of the girl I went out to coffee with last Friday night?
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Old 1st June 2006, 12:14 PM   #1162
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ZouPrime, is it me or is the anti-American sentiment in Montréal a little extreme? I mean, it's impossible to have an intelligent un-biased conversation with anyone about 9/11 or the war in Iraq whithout people ranting anti-american propaganda. I just avoid the topic altogether now, I'm so fed up.

Is it just me?

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ETA: I just noticed you joined the forum in '01. I should have said: "welcome to this thread".

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Old 1st June 2006, 12:16 PM   #1163
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Originally Posted by delphi_ote View Post
Why can I remember that obscure tidbit but not the name of the girl I went out to coffee with last Friday night?
Thats easy: You're male......
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Old 1st June 2006, 12:21 PM   #1164
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Originally Posted by The_Fire View Post
Thats easy: You're male......

Not only is the plumbing different, so is the wiring.
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Old 1st June 2006, 12:22 PM   #1165
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Originally Posted by delphi_ote View Post
Why can I remember that obscure tidbit but not the name of the girl I went out to coffee with last Friday night?
I forgot...what was your question again?

We all remember stuff that's really important to us. The girl you went to coffee with didn't make a big enough impression on your mind, so you don't remember her. On the other hand, the obscure tidbit resonated.

It takes a while to remember some things. I've been married 11 years, and I still can't get my wife's relatives straight. And these are not battleaxes, but warm, supportive folks, who have given us great dinners and Christmas cards.
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Old 1st June 2006, 12:28 PM   #1166
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Originally Posted by delphi_ote View Post
Why can I remember that obscure tidbit but not the name of the girl I went out to coffee with last Friday night?
Because she was imaginary?

(Personally, when I was single I generally tended to remember the names of all my dates -- there really weren't all that many, so it wasn't hard to keep track.)
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Old 1st June 2006, 12:34 PM   #1167
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Originally Posted by delphi_ote View Post
Why can I remember that obscure tidbit but not the name of the girl I went out to coffee with last Friday night?

[bad southern accent] I feel you pain [end accent] Back in college, could I remember what I had just read in my calculus book? Hell no. Could I remember a rule I read in a game book two years earlier, not a problem.
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Well he very politely mentions us, and at Screw Loose Change we give Gravy a plug every chance we get. Everyone builds off of the work of those that came before us.
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Old 1st June 2006, 12:37 PM   #1169
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[bad southern accent] I feel you pain [end accent] Back in college, could I remember what I had just read in my calculus book? Hell no. Could I remember a rule I read in a game book two years earlier, not a problem.
Reminds me of when I was a kid I wanted to be a zoologist. I read so much about animal species that I still remember everything today. It's really of no use to me now, but I'm unbeatable at Scrabble.
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Old 1st June 2006, 12:42 PM   #1170
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From Gravy's transcript:

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Dylan Avery: "People who attack my movie, they're not even attacking my movie, they're attacking me. There's this one, like, 50-page pdf file floating around out there, supposably [sic] debunking my entire movie, and the first three pages are basically just insulting me....These people have nothing to come back with., i mean, I'm giving you scientific, and, yo know, logic evidence, and these people are coming back with petty insults. I mean, think about that: I'm simply trying to ask honest questions of my government and why they're saying these things which obviously aren't true, and the best thing people can come up with is, 'Well, you're a stupid kid.'"

Daniel Ott: "That's not evidence."

Avery: "That's not evidence. That doesn't refute anything. It only makes my case stronger!"

Daniel Ott: "Yeah, sure does."
I wonder who fellated Mr. Avery more: Mr. Ott, or Mr. Avery.

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Avery: "I mean, you have Edna Cintron, which is actually the woman who is looking out the gash in the World Trade Center. I mean, this woman is standing there, I mean, she's just looking out the hole, and I mean, there's supposedly 2,000 degree inferno right behind her, and, I mean, she's able to stand here and look out this hole and wave for help. I mean, her clothes aren't on fire, I mean, her clothes aren't even singed from what we can see."
I mean, it's like, y'know?
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Old 1st June 2006, 12:46 PM   #1171
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Originally Posted by Regnad Kcin View Post
From Gravy's transcript:


I wonder who fellated Mr. Avery more: Mr. Ott, or Mr. Avery.


I mean, it's like, y'know?
You are so mean.
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Old 1st June 2006, 12:50 PM   #1172
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Originally Posted by The_Fire View Post
Thats easy: You're male......
No. I never remember anyone's name. I'm an equal opportunity jerk.
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Old 1st June 2006, 12:52 PM   #1173
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Originally Posted by delphi_ote View Post
Why can I remember that obscure tidbit but not the name of the girl I went out to coffee with last Friday night?
Fabricio.
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Old 1st June 2006, 12:55 PM   #1174
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Originally Posted by Regnad Kcin View Post
From Gravy's transcript:


I wonder who fellated Mr. Avery more: Mr. Ott, or Mr. Avery.


I mean, it's like, y'know?
I might be skeptical about the "kid" part, but there is plenty of evidence Dylan is stupid.
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Old 1st June 2006, 12:58 PM   #1175
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Originally Posted by CFLarsen View Post
Fabricio.
Thanks, Claus. I'll write it down on my hand, just in case I go out with her again.
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Old 1st June 2006, 01:02 PM   #1176
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ZouPrime, is it me or is the anti-American sentiment in Montréal a little extreme? I mean, it's impossible to have an intelligent un-biased conversation with anyone about 9/11 or the war in Iraq whithout people ranting anti-american propaganda. I just avoid the topic altogether now, I'm so fed up.

Is it just me?

BTW welcome to the forum.

ETA: I just noticed you joined the forum in '01. I should have said: "welcome to this thread".
Thanks for the welcome. Yeah, I've been a member for a while, but I mostly lurk (and read Randi weekly comments). I mostly post on the Internet Infidel website, and I've participated in plenty of 9/11 conspiracy discussions over there.

About anti-americanism in Montreal... I don't know if it's worst than elsewhere in Canada, but obviously Quebec is a pretty liberal place and with the way the right has been running the US for a while now anti-american sentiment has to be expected... I don't know either if it's really anti-american or only anti-Bush.

Regarding 9/11, I was pretty amazed a few years ago when I found out that many of my close friends (who I think are pretty intelligent otherwise) were seriously considering conspiracy theories regarding the US implication in the attack. Back then their reference was l'Effroyable Imposture from that french guy... I don't know anymore what their stance is on the topic , as I try to stay away from this kind of discussion as much as I can. It is very, very hard to have a good exchange "in real life" compared to a discussion board like this one, as you can't check and provide references. And people tend to react violently when to try to tell them they simply are wrong. People discuss 9/11 conspiracies like they discuss if the habs are going to make the playoff or not; it's just, you know, opinion, and they have all the same value.

Most of my friends are left-wingers, and I myself don't like Bush very much, but I have to admit that idiocy isn't constrained by political affiliations, and both the lefties and righties have their fair share of twits who are ready to believe anything as long as it confirms their original beliefs...

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Just wanted to bump chipmunk's post here...surprised there wasn't more comment on it. This seems to be a preview of what's coming in LC3. Dylan's disclaiming that of course, but it shows the direction I think they're headed -- more eyewitness accounts, more interviews with people, and avoiding the more obvious manipulations that got him into such trouble with Gravy. He is also steadfastly repeating the same lies that have been debunked here over and over and over again ("molten steel" supposedly causing the collapse, AA77 disappearing into an opening merely 16ft wide, etc.)
I don't think he can really intend that to be anything really resembling the Final Cut--it's just stuff they're going to edit down and add to the 2nd Edition to make the final cut. I haven't got time to watch it all today, but I did skip ahead to the ending--Loose Change, Final Edition: American Theatres 9/11/06. GAH!

Also note that the Green Party Senate Candidate they interview, Sander Hicks, lost in the Green Primary. The guy's an absolute goof--watch him rock back and forth as he speaks. He cites Hopsicker, which is a huge red flag.
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Old 1st June 2006, 01:09 PM   #1178
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Most of my friends are left-wingers, and I myself don't like Bush very much, but I have to admit that idiocy isn't constrained by political affiliations, and both the lefties and righties have their fair share of twits who are ready to believe anything as long as it confirms their original beliefs...
And oddly, this 9/11 conspiracy group seems to have a smattering of both sides. The rhetoric is very strange. They've got the militia types that thought Oklahoma City was a government conspiracy siding with the hippies who alledge Skull and Bones members eat babies. They call Bush a Nazi and implicate the Jews in the same breath.
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Also note that the Green Party Senate Candidate they interview, Sander Hicks, lost in the Green Primary.
Which means he's not what he's claiming to be. If I were a member of The Green Party, I'd be pissed.
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And oddly, this 9/11 conspiracy group seems to have a smattering of both sides. The rhetoric is very strange. They've got the militia types that thought Oklahoma City was a government conspiracy siding with the hippies who alledge Skull and Bones members eat babies. They call Bush a Nazi and implicate the Jews in the same breath.
Bear in mind that the Arabs have been doing that in their propaganda for many years, and increasingly so. Oddly enough, Western Holocaust deniers do the same thing...they claim Zionists supported Hitler and vice versa and that Hitler was pro-Jewish.

There's a really wacky web page called Iamthewitness.com that spouts much of this garbage, which leaves the intelligent reader with his or her jaw on the floor.

I can show other examples of this...Tom Metzger claiming that big corporations get their ideas from the Socialist Worker's Party, for example. There was a hilarious guy on The History Channel forums who went into 49 incarnations of the same name to say that Hitler was financed by Jewish bankers, and that capitalism funded and created Communism as part of a Jewish banker plot to rule the world. Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion on steroids.
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Old 1st June 2006, 01:35 PM   #1181
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I don't know either if it's really anti-american or only anti-Bush.
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People discuss 9/11 conspiracies like they discuss if the habs are going to make the playoff or not; it's just, you know, opinion, and they have all the same value.
Yeah, Bush really made a mess of people's view of America. The thing is when they talk against Bush, they don't necesserally say "Bush" but "Américains", as if all Americans agreed with him. There's even a new "trend" here these days (maybe you've noticed) to call Americans "États-Uniens", wich can't really be translated in English (maybe "United-Staters"???). As if Americans were guilty of stealing the word "America" (the continent). I find it particularly ridiculous.

I think the way these people are making this topic trivial makes intolerance towards Americans acceptable. This way it's slowly getting in our mores (even in the mainstream media), as if it was O.K. to talk against an entire people. Any intolerance towards any people should be inacceptable.
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Old 1st June 2006, 01:41 PM   #1182
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OK, just finished. THAT'S their new material huh? A lot of that was just them self promoting. Any one else think the scene with the woman at the bar reeks of being staged? Just asking questions...

Gotta love the guy in the beginning who's probably had about 15 cups of coffee, ranting away about the movement being infiltrated.
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Well he very politely mentions us, and at Screw Loose Change we give Gravy a plug every chance we get. Everyone builds off of the work of those that came before us.
Yes, and I'm trying to build off of all your work as well.

BTW, I'd love to have a part in taking apart Loose Change 3 if/when it comes out.
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I can show other examples of this...Tom Metzger claiming that big corporations get their ideas from the Socialist Worker's Party, for example. There was a hilarious guy on The History Channel forums who went into 49 incarnations of the same name to say that Hitler was financed by Jewish bankers, and that capitalism funded and created Communism as part of a Jewish banker plot to rule the world. Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion on steroids.
This "world domination plan" is really long in the making isn't it? These Globalists are a patient bunch.
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They conveniently ignore all the people who jumped from the tower. Obviously they were trying to get away from the fire that was not there.
Forgot about those poor people. I guess they jummped because their frontal lobes were shocked or whatever geggyism.
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What do you know about blazes?
Have you SEEN my avatar ?
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I learned English by watching "Perfect Strangers". Not sure Balki is a good reference tho...
You're KIDDING me!! That was the OTHER show that helped me learn English. I guess that says something about the quality of those two shows.

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When the Soviet Union fell, ending 50 years of wacky alarmist rhetoric from the extreme right, a researcher asked Richard Girnt Butler what the collapse f the Soviet Union meant. Butler, head of Aryan Nations, shrugged and said, "They closed a branch office that wasn't doing too well."
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You're KIDDING me!! That was the OTHER show that helped me learn English. I guess that says something about the quality of those two shows.
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ZouPrime, is it me or is the anti-American sentiment in Montréal a little extreme? I mean, it's impossible to have an intelligent un-biased conversation with anyone about 9/11 or the war in Iraq whithout people ranting anti-american propaganda. I just avoid the topic altogether now, I'm so fed up.
I don't know. In Saguenay things don't seem so bad, but then no one here knows anything about anything, so that doesn't seem enough to EVEN form a biased opinion...
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And oddly, this 9/11 conspiracy group seems to have a smattering of both sides. The rhetoric is very strange. They've got the militia types that thought Oklahoma City was a government conspiracy siding with the hippies who alledge Skull and Bones members eat babies. They call Bush a Nazi and implicate the Jews in the same breath.
Of course they do, Delphi. IT'S ALL CONNECTED!!

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Ridiculous. I remember everything. Period.
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I can show other examples of this...Tom Metzger claiming that big corporations get their ideas from the Socialist Worker's Party, for example. There was a hilarious guy on The History Channel forums who went into 49 incarnations of the same name to say that Hitler was financed by Jewish bankers, and that capitalism funded and created Communism as part of a Jewish banker plot to rule the world. Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion on steroids.
But that doesn't even mak... I me...t... dkkk...NO CARRIER
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Yeah, Bush really made a mess of people's view of America. The thing is when they talk against Bush, they don't necesserally say "Bush" but "Américains", as if all Americans agreed with him. There's even a new "trend" here these days (maybe you've noticed) to call Americans "États-Uniens", wich can't really be translated in English (maybe "United-Staters"???). As if Americans were guilty of stealing the word "America" (the continent). I find it particularly ridiculous.
So do I. The country's called the United States of AMERICA. It seems most reasonable to call it's citizens AMERICANS. Besides, why would Canadians mind ? Since when do they want to call themselves American for some reason ? It seems a vacuous argument designed solely to insult "USAers".

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I don't know. In Saguenay things don't seem so bad, but then no one here knows anything about anything, so that doesn't seem enough to EVEN form a biased opinion...
Maybe it's just because people over there don't feel that much threatened by the US (culturally, geographically and economically).
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Belz claims to be the supreme ruler of Hell...........But there are quiet a few of us down here whom are not all to certain about that......
According to your "location", The_Fire, all you have to do is check with your local overlord, and he can point you straight to me on level 4. No garantees about not beign eaten on the way there, of course. Oh, and either wear something REAL warm, or something very revealing. One helps you survive, the other may win you the supreme ruler's good graces. MOUahahahah!
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Maybe it's just because people over there don't feel that much threatened by the US (culturally, geographically and economically).
That's debatable. Saguenay IS the bastion of the "séparatistes" who yap and yap about protecting their "distinct" culture but keep using english words and American mannerisms.

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That's debatable. Saguenay IS the bastion of the "séparatistes" who yap and yap about protecting their "distinct" culture but keep using english words and American mannerisms.

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I think separatism isn't related to the US's influence on Québec, but English Canada's. You're talking to one here.
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I think separatism isn't related to the US's influence on Québec, but English Canada's. You're talking to one here.
I know that. As I said, I live in the hotbed of that antiquated philosophy, no offense. All I'm saying is that most separatists see a threat in the English world around them, but seem to forget that A) they already are assimilated by the American culture, and sovereignty will not change that; and B) that separating will not move Québec any further from the mainland and its cultural influence.
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Oh, that's beautiful. Hutch, do you dare post this on that LC thread?
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