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Old 12th July 2019, 08:11 PM   #41
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Originally Posted by Armitage72 View Post
The previous amnesty from President Reagan made illegal immigrants legal immigrants. It didn't magically turn them into citizens. There's an established process for that.
This reminds me of the South Park episode where we can't give houses to the homeless because we wouldn't be able to tell who is homeless anymore.
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Old 12th July 2019, 08:29 PM   #42
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Originally Posted by NWO Sentryman View Post
It's more the next democrat president would go "hey guess who just got citizenship via amnesty now?"
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Old 13th July 2019, 01:40 PM   #43
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Originally Posted by NWO Sentryman View Post
It's more the next democrat president would go "hey guess who just got citizenship via amnesty now?"
Sure. That's bound to happen.

There would be a well-deserved uproar over such an unprecedented act. I don't know that it's possible for a president to do such a thing on his own. But let's suppose that Congress goes along with it. I wonder if there would be any legal challenge to it?

Anyway, supposing Congress and the President are on board and there's no question of Constitutionality (and I don't know what it would be), then it could happen, I suppose. I also suppose that it would be a stunningly unpopular move even among the Democratic voters, and deservedly so.

In short, you're dreaming.
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Old 13th July 2019, 01:45 PM   #44
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Originally Posted by NWO Sentryman View Post
It's more the next democrat president would go "hey guess who just got citizenship via amnesty now?"
Did you make up this idea all by yourself or did you get it from somewhere like Infowars or some other whacko source?
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Old 13th July 2019, 02:47 PM   #45
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All political/social/legal shenanigans aside...

Wouldn’t it be a good thing to know how many illegal immigrants there are?
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Old 13th July 2019, 02:56 PM   #46
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Originally Posted by xjx388 View Post
All political/social/legal shenanigans aside...

Wouldn’t it be a good thing to know how many illegal immigrants there are?
But the census question would not answer that:

• Yes, born in the United States.

• Yes, born in Puerto Rico, Guam, the U.S. Virgin Islands, or Northern Marianas.

• Yes, born abroad of U.S. citizen parent or parents.

• Yes, U.S. citizen by naturalization (add year).

• No, not a U.S. citizen.

There is no question asking if the person is here legally. Many non-citizens live here legally.
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Old 13th July 2019, 03:37 PM   #47
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
But the census question would not answer that:



• Yes, born in the United States.



• Yes, born in Puerto Rico, Guam, the U.S. Virgin Islands, or Northern Marianas.



• Yes, born abroad of U.S. citizen parent or parents.



• Yes, U.S. citizen by naturalization (add year).



• No, not a U.S. citizen.



There is no question asking if the person is here legally. Many non-citizens live here legally.


Good point.

And I do understand why we don’t ask legal status and that there are other ways of determining this.
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Old 13th July 2019, 04:01 PM   #48
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The fun thing that people like to forget is that throughout their life, the average working Illegal Immigrant will pay at least $80,000 into Federal and State Government's coffers that they won't get any return on. Social Security, Taxes, Sales Taxes, Land Taxes, etc...

That works out as around $8 Billion dollars per 100,000 of them.

When you consider that they are also doing the jobs no Americans want do to (Farmers were offering over $20/hour for fruit and vegetable pickers to try and get American workers, and still failed to attract them,) at the end of the day, Trump's actions against people who have not broken any criminal laws (immigration is civil) will impact the US both financially, and at their tables as they lose the labour throughout the food chain, from the field to the people that prepare the food, bring it to the able, and clean up afterwards.
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Old 13th July 2019, 05:01 PM   #49
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Originally Posted by xjx388 View Post
All political/social/legal shenanigans aside...

Wouldn’t it be a good thing to know how many illegal immigrants there are?
To what level of detail? A lot can be achieved by sampling.
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Old 13th July 2019, 05:07 PM   #50
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Originally Posted by xjx388 View Post
All political/social/legal shenanigans aside...

Wouldn’t it be a good thing to know how many illegal immigrants there are?
How do you figure that question on the Census measures the legal or illegal status of said non-citizens?

You do know 'not-citizen' is not the same as 'undocumented immigrant', right?
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Old 13th July 2019, 05:20 PM   #51
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Originally Posted by xjx388 View Post
Wouldn’t it be a good thing to know how many illegal immigrants there are?
Why?
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Old 13th July 2019, 05:55 PM   #52
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Originally Posted by PhantomWolf View Post
The fun thing that people like to forget is that throughout their life, the average working Illegal Immigrant will pay at least $80,000 into Federal and State Government's coffers that they won't get any return on. Social Security, Taxes, Sales Taxes, Land Taxes, etc...

That works out as around $8 Billion dollars per 100,000 of them.

When you consider that they are also doing the jobs no Americans want do to (Farmers were offering over $20/hour for fruit and vegetable pickers to try and get American workers, and still failed to attract them,) at the end of the day, Trump's actions against people who have not broken any criminal laws (immigration is civil) will impact the US both financially, and at their tables as they lose the labour throughout the food chain, from the field to the people that prepare the food, bring it to the able, and clean up afterwards.
I agree. If all the illegal immigrants were to disappear tomorrow, the effects on our economy could be devastating. These fears that so many people have regarding illegal immigrants, and which Trump inflames, are based on just that: fear. Illegal immigrants have become the new Jews, Catholics, Irish,homosexuals, Communists, etc. Some people just seem to have a need for a boogeyman. And if there isn't one, they create one.
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