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10th December 2021, 06:16 PM | #641 |
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In length of quarantine after potential contact .. yes.
Also might be part of why it spreads so fast. Which would be easier to fight than immunity escape. But it does spread so fast .. and if that's a problem, all reasons why it's happening are certainly also a problem. |
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10th December 2021, 06:32 PM | #643 |
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Are there any reports yet of people dying from the omicron variant?
That's the only thing about this that gives me a sense of hope. The possibility that it's only like a typical cold now. Highly infectious, but not very dangerous. |
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10th December 2021, 07:53 PM | #646 |
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CDC's MMWR report on Omicron Dec. 10, 2021
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/...cid=mm7050e1_w In the USA from Dec1-8, 43 cases, 1 hospitalization. 0 deaths. Details: symptoms, age, vax status, etc in report. |
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I am now listening to Clyde Lewis of Ground Zero proclaim that Omicron is invalidating the vaccine agenda and blaming it on Big Pharma. Also that deaths from the vaccine are spiraling out of control.
He has a far bigger audience than any skeptic. So misinformation and untruth are widely disseminated. Have a nice day. |
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It will reduce the odds of symptomatic infection for you and others with boosters and it's more likely to prevent severe disease. But it's not going to have much effect on the incoming wave overall because it's too late to boost that many more people. There's a time delay before boosters take effect and this thing is highly likely to have exceeded Delta by the end of the month. Scotland a bit sooner.
The USA will see the same thing a week or two later. |
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This is second hand, and on the fly, but all double vaccinated, not sure if any had boosters. No further personal details, any more specificity leads to loss of anonymity.
Current NHS clinical / hospital tests do not detect omicron (ie differentiate from delta). Only the community tests do this, so most omicron is detected in milder cases. It is still very early days to judge virulence, but even mild illness can cause elderly people with complex health needs to decompensated and need hospital admission. Large numbers of people becoming ill at the same time even with mild to moderate illness can hugely disrupt health care systems. This is without considering the loss of staff who become infected or are off work as contacts. https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/in-you...ffing-25665002 Virtually all of whom will be double vaccinated and boosted. |
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I'd say it's much too early to judge.
From a personal point of view, Covid seems suddenly a lot closer to me. As well as friends on Facebook having it, which has been happening throughout, I've been at three events in the last three or four weeks at which people I know subsequently tested positive. Someone I vaguely knew (met once, but in touch via social media since) died last week of it (she was a double-lung transplant recipient, so vulnerable). |
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Constantly pushing papers shouting how vaccines are losing effectiveness, yet ignoring data buried deep in those same papers (like they are n-times less effective versus being still 90%+ effective).
Always going for relative drops but never mentioning absolute numbers. You did some thing too many times. As if you are some anti-vaxer looking for excuse not to get vaccinated. That's how some of your post read (and some antiwax idiots actually argue that way!).
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11th December 2021, 03:21 AM | #657 |
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More anecdotal evidence from the coal face of omicron being less severe:
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“They are able to manage the disease at home," and "Most have recovered within the 10 to 14-day isolation period.” can be perfectly said about delta. We need exact numbers. There will be no shortage of those soon though.
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One thing I noticed about the UK daily figures: number of cases is up 12.6% over the last week; number of tests is up 12.6% over the last week. The two graphs have a very similar incline over the last week, too.
The ZOE Covid figures have not moved the same amount in the last week, as far as I recall. |
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11th December 2021, 02:38 PM | #661 |
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Yesterday:
Today 1,840 Omicron cases, so 560 new cases in 24 hours, 44% more: https://nyheder.tv2.dk/samfund/2021-...urealistisk-ud
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That's all very well, but if the infection rate is higher and most patients were fully vaccinated, that doesn't mean Omicron is inherently less deadly, it might just be infecting more people who are less vulnerable. If that is so then we might eventually see a similar death rate in the unvaccinated/unboosted population.
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Gauteng's Omicron surge has clearly peaked and is dropping. Now looks like about 30% from the peak. This is confirmed because the PCR positivity rate has also been dropping and is now below 20% for the first time in about a week.
Considering the incredible ramp up to about Dec 3, this is an astonishing turnaround. The population is about 12M and the totol Omicron cases are only around 100k. So what is the cause of this abrupt change in Rt? I can't think of anything other than rather large shifts in population adherence to NPIs. I also agree with TA, PuppyCow, etc., that it increasingly looks like the virulence of Omicron is significantly less than prior variants. Hospitalization, which had just started ramping has slowed growth slightly and is at a much lower level than prior surges and it can't be fully accounted for by the delay after infection. |
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I doubt that, because South Africa never managed to squash any of the previous waves like it. There's something else in play.
More data on booster shots from Israel, again, very positive. https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world...t-omicron.html |
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Ah, I see. Japan also says they are going to reduce the period before the third dose, although they haven't yet decided by how much. So it still stands at 8 months as of now.
The next question I guess is how long will booster shots be good for. Will we need 3 or 4 shots per year? Or will the third dose last longer than the second? |
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They're very good questions.
Pity none of them have answers. I'm be giving very short odds on frequent vaccine updates for the foreseeable future - twice a year is my pick. I just hope the Frogs' claims that their vaccine will protect against all of them turns out to be true. I think we've found a major limitation of mRNA vaccines - they can be too specific. |
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I'll see if Capsid can answer that, but my understanding is the vaccine creates production of antibodies that specifically attack the spike protein. When the spike changes, it doesn't work as well, and manufacturers are about to produce new vaccines to attack the new spikes.
And that process could well be never-ending. |
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That's not the issue we have with mRNA vaccines though. Mutations are not cause of the effect vanning after few months. It might be problem with omicron, but old school vaccines might have the same problem. Since we can't compare effectiveness of traditional and mRNA vaccines against omicron just yet, it's too soon to tell.
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Yep. That something else was a batch of delayed reports so large numbers were missing last week.
https://www.nicd.ac.za/latest-confir...december-2021/ Today we report 37 875 new cases, which includes 19 840 retrospective cases and 18 035 new cases. In the past 24 hours a total of 18,035 positive COVID-19 cases have been reported. The positivity testing rate today is 28.9%. |
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Outstanding Omicron info in this UK technical briefing in such a short time. Best in class.
Nothing yet on severity. None hospitalized yet but some info on relative Ve. for mild infection and vacine types, boosters, and time since vax. https://assets.publishing.service.go...riefing_31.pdf Boosters bring Omicron Ve up from 35% with 2 doses to 70-75% Pfizer booster. Severe disease Ve unknown but likely quite good for vaxxed with or without boosters. |
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