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arthwollipot · 28th January 2021, 07:18 PM

Originally Posted by dann

I have always wondered: When orchestras sometimes let amateurs conduct them, are those amateurs actually conducting or do the musicians just pretend and let them believe that they are conducting, swinging their arms like children?
We had a king 50 years ago who loved to conduct, and eight years ago, there was a kind of reality show where they let celebrities conduct: Maestro.

No, those amateurs are almost never actually conducting. Most orchestras will be capable of operating without a conductor for certain pieces. But they won't have an inexperienced conductor when performing a large and complex symphony. They'll stick to the less musically complex but still pleasing compositions.

KayBur · 2nd February 2021, 03:44 AM

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

No, those amateurs are almost never actually conducting. Most orchestras will be capable of operating without a conductor for certain pieces. But they won't have an inexperienced conductor when performing a large and complex symphony. They'll stick to the less musically complex but still pleasing compositions.

yes, an inexperienced conductor cannot lead the performance of truly complex pieces. Although, in theory, of course it can, and if there are any mistakes, then the average person is unlikely to notice them. But this is the first step to maximum hack.

Sherkeu · 8th February 2021, 04:11 PM

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Sherkeu · 8th February 2021, 04:16 PM

My kid learned to read very early, likely as a side product of teaching her sign language where all the videos and cards also had the words.

She did not say a single word till she was 2. Never babbled either...but then I was the same as a kid. (early walker, late talker)

We also had those foam letters in the bathtub where I spelled simple words and sounded out the letters for her.

I sent her to a local pre-school when she was 2.5yrs, still only having about 5 words so I gave them this whole big list of signs so they could understand her.

Well, at pickup on the second day of school I was talking to the teacher when I heard a little voice in the corner saying "Red" "Yellow" Blue".
It was my girl, by herself, pointing at the words on the wall and reading them (by sight I imagine).

She still wasn't really 'reading' at 3, but loved to be read to. When nearly 4 and on the way to a doctor's appt, she says from the back seat "stop when red lights are flashing" . What red lights sweety? Where are the red lights?

Then I noticed the sign on the school bus in front of us "STOP when RED lights are flashing". She had read the entire thing. The little bugger kept all her talents secret!!

bruto · 8th February 2021, 07:14 PM

The discussion reminds me that long ago (like 40 plus years now) when my daughter was a infant, we got a portable play pen. Very handy, fit in trunk of car, doubled as both play pen and crib. It was a nice wooden one, with little plastic whirly baubles in the sides, including an A, B, and C. True to the way the people who design these things think, they faced out.

Samson · 9th February 2021, 05:14 AM

Originally Posted by Sherkeu

My kid learned to read very early, likely as a side product of teaching her sign language where all the videos and cards also had the words.

She did not say a single word till she was 2. Never babbled either...but then I was the same as a kid. (early walker, late talker)

We also had those foam letters in the bathtub where I spelled simple words and sounded out the letters for her.

I sent her to a local pre-school when she was 2.5yrs, still only having about 5 words so I gave them this whole big list of signs so they could understand her.

Well, at pickup on the second day of school I was talking to the teacher when I heard a little voice in the corner saying "Red" "Yellow" Blue".
It was my girl, by herself, pointing at the words on the wall and reading them (by sight I imagine).

She still wasn't really 'reading' at 3, but loved to be read to. When nearly 4 and on the way to a doctor's appt, she says from the back seat "stop when red lights are flashing" . What red lights sweety? Where are the red lights?

Then I noticed the sign on the school bus in front of us "STOP when RED lights are flashing". She had read the entire thing. The little bugger kept all her talents secret!!

What a dellightful parenting moment and pre four!
I was taught phonics in 1959 so sent my two at just over 4 from a tiny local circular ad.
They were fluent readers joining school at 5 and this was a mystery to the other parents.
I would have explained but I was not there to explain.
I have been silent for 2 decades and that is how jails have been filled.

Dr. Keith · 10th February 2021, 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by Samson

What a dellightful parenting moment and pre four!
I was taught phonics in 1959 so sent my two at just over 4 from a tiny local circular ad.
They were fluent readers joining school at 5 and this was a mystery to the other parents.
I would have explained but I was not there to explain.
I have been silent for 2 decades and that is how jails have been filled.

You must have massive calves to make that sort of leap. Congratulations!

Samson · 18th February 2021, 03:59 AM

Originally Posted by Dr. Keith

You must have massive calves to make that sort of leap. Congratulations!

Yes.
Social ills are boiled like frogs.

28th January 2021, 07:18 PM	#81
arthwollipot Observer of Phenomena Pronouns: he/him Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ngunnawal Country Posts: 71,023	Originally Posted by dann I have always wondered: When orchestras sometimes let amateurs conduct them, are those amateurs actually conducting or do the musicians just pretend and let them believe that they are conducting, swinging their arms like children? We had a king 50 years ago who loved to conduct, and eight years ago, there was a kind of reality show where they let celebrities conduct: Maestro. No, those amateurs are almost never actually conducting. Most orchestras will be capable of operating without a conductor for certain pieces. But they won't have an inexperienced conductor when performing a large and complex symphony. They'll stick to the less musically complex but still pleasing compositions.
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2nd February 2021, 03:44 AM	#82
KayBur Student Join Date: Oct 2020 Posts: 35	Originally Posted by arthwollipot No, those amateurs are almost never actually conducting. Most orchestras will be capable of operating without a conductor for certain pieces. But they won't have an inexperienced conductor when performing a large and complex symphony. They'll stick to the less musically complex but still pleasing compositions. yes, an inexperienced conductor cannot lead the performance of truly complex pieces. Although, in theory, of course it can, and if there are any mistakes, then the average person is unlikely to notice them. But this is the first step to maximum hack.
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8th February 2021, 04:11 PM	#83
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8th February 2021, 04:16 PM	#84
Sherkeu Master Poster Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Disneyland Posts: 2,485	My kid learned to read very early, likely as a side product of teaching her sign language where all the videos and cards also had the words. She did not say a single word till she was 2. Never babbled either...but then I was the same as a kid. (early walker, late talker) We also had those foam letters in the bathtub where I spelled simple words and sounded out the letters for her. I sent her to a local pre-school when she was 2.5yrs, still only having about 5 words so I gave them this whole big list of signs so they could understand her. Well, at pickup on the second day of school I was talking to the teacher when I heard a little voice in the corner saying "Red" "Yellow" Blue". It was my girl, by herself, pointing at the words on the wall and reading them (by sight I imagine). She still wasn't really 'reading' at 3, but loved to be read to. When nearly 4 and on the way to a doctor's appt, she says from the back seat "stop when red lights are flashing" . What red lights sweety? Where are the red lights? Then I noticed the sign on the school bus in front of us "STOP when RED lights are flashing". She had read the entire thing. The little bugger kept all her talents secret!!
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8th February 2021, 07:14 PM	#85
bruto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Way way north of Diddy Wah Diddy Posts: 28,215	The discussion reminds me that long ago (like 40 plus years now) when my daughter was a infant, we got a portable play pen. Very handy, fit in trunk of car, doubled as both play pen and crib. It was a nice wooden one, with little plastic whirly baubles in the sides, including an A, B, and C. True to the way the people who design these things think, they faced out.
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9th February 2021, 05:14 AM	#86
Samson Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 9,485	Originally Posted by Sherkeu My kid learned to read very early, likely as a side product of teaching her sign language where all the videos and cards also had the words. She did not say a single word till she was 2. Never babbled either...but then I was the same as a kid. (early walker, late talker) We also had those foam letters in the bathtub where I spelled simple words and sounded out the letters for her. I sent her to a local pre-school when she was 2.5yrs, still only having about 5 words so I gave them this whole big list of signs so they could understand her. Well, at pickup on the second day of school I was talking to the teacher when I heard a little voice in the corner saying "Red" "Yellow" Blue". It was my girl, by herself, pointing at the words on the wall and reading them (by sight I imagine). She still wasn't really 'reading' at 3, but loved to be read to. When nearly 4 and on the way to a doctor's appt, she says from the back seat "stop when red lights are flashing" . What red lights sweety? Where are the red lights? Then I noticed the sign on the school bus in front of us "STOP when RED lights are flashing". She had read the entire thing. The little bugger kept all her talents secret!! What a dellightful parenting moment and pre four! I was taught phonics in 1959 so sent my two at just over 4 from a tiny local circular ad. They were fluent readers joining school at 5 and this was a mystery to the other parents. I would have explained but I was not there to explain. I have been silent for 2 decades and that is how jails have been filled.
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10th February 2021, 02:20 PM	#87
Dr. Keith Not a doctor. Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 22,929	Originally Posted by Samson What a dellightful parenting moment and pre four! I was taught phonics in 1959 so sent my two at just over 4 from a tiny local circular ad. They were fluent readers joining school at 5 and this was a mystery to the other parents. I would have explained but I was not there to explain. I have been silent for 2 decades and that is how jails have been filled. You must have massive calves to make that sort of leap. Congratulations!
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18th February 2021, 03:59 AM	#88
Samson Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 9,485	Originally Posted by Dr. Keith You must have massive calves to make that sort of leap. Congratulations! Yes. Social ills are boiled like frogs.
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