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Thermal · 24th February 2021, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge

I guess Truths are somehow different from facts. Everyone's entitled to their own opinions, but not to their own facts.

Truth. Er, factual. Wait, opinionated. Never mind.

Caroline13 · 24th February 2021, 12:54 PM

Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge

I guess Truths are somehow different from facts. Everyone's entitled to their own opinions, but not to their own facts.

Again, what are you talking about opinions, facts...you Skeptics are hilarious...

P.J. Denyer · 24th February 2021, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by Pixel42

https://www.webmd.com/diet/grape-seed-extract

No, you need to go to a really qualified source, like someone flogging air purifiers!

beachnut · 24th February 2021, 01:00 PM

Originally Posted by Caroline13

Again, what are you talking about opinions, facts...you Skeptics are hilarious...

Originally Posted by Caroline13

...
And I believe it's some kind of a planned designed hoax from day 1 when the March 12 switch seemed to be turned on. ...

Got some facts to back up your opinion/belief.

You have opinions based on paranoid conspiracy theories about Covid.

So you are not a skeptic, you are believer.

Jack by the hedge · 24th February 2021, 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by Caroline13

Again, what are you talking about opinions, facts...you Skeptics are hilarious...

Well, you were the one who introduced your capital-T Truths. I don't know what Truths are, but if forced to guess I would suppose they were opinions which you feel deserve special treatment.

arthwollipot · 24th February 2021, 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by Caroline13

I'm a Big Girl and can handle myself as I know my Truths.

How do you know that your Truths are really true?

This is the most important question in the universe, by the way. Think about it very carefully.

bruto · 24th February 2021, 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by Caroline13

I'm a Big Girl and can handle myself as I know my Truths.

Knowing or believing you know what is true, with or without a capital T, is not the same as knowing how to behave. Do with that observation whatever you like.

Matthew Ellard · 24th February 2021, 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by Caroline13

I'm a Big Girl and can handle myself as I know my Truths.

.....but can't remember what last vaccination you had?

What was it Caroline13?

EHocking · 24th February 2021, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by Caroline13

Oh please, you continue to say grape seed oil, put it in your salads and see how they taste and even cook with it, I did that for awhile yrs ago...I no longer buy or use grape seed OIL.

I have no charts and either take it or don't, do a google with all the benefits of grape seed extract and just about every known health issue.

Grape seed Extract and Asthma for one. Just One.

https://www.usairpurifiers.com/blog/...thma-symptoms/

Do you have a health issue? If so, do a search of it and Grape Seed EXTRACT.

Originally Posted by Caroline13

Lab produced drugs are synthetic for the most part. Nothing earthy about them as I can see.

Extract doesn’t seem very earthy.

“The classic method incorporates extraction with organic solvents such as acetone, acetonitrile, ethyl acetate, and methanol.”

Also, do you know how VitD is synthesised?
Not very earthy either.

Your belief systems just don’t seem to be consistent.

MarkCorrigan · 24th February 2021, 05:26 PM

Oh good, Caroline is back! Maybe now she can answer me?

I mean, we wouldn't want to make people think she was being intellectually dishonest, would we?

Axxman300 · 24th February 2021, 06:11 PM

Probably shouldn't post this question, but the old CTist in me can't help it.

Why don't COVID-19 CTists see the virus as a dry-run for a future NWO bio-weapon?

Governments and NGOs around the globe are collecting all kinds of data on how exactly the virus spread, who got it, and why they were infected:

Higher rates in Minorities? Check.

Loud Mouth anti-government types refusing to take basic precautions? Check.

If there was some secret NWO out there it has become obvious how to cull the population, and eliminate resistance without ever firing a shot.

There was a time the good CTists would have thought this way,

Craig4 · 24th February 2021, 08:14 PM

Originally Posted by Caroline13

Oh please, you continue to say grape seed oil, put it in your salads and see how they taste and even cook with it, I did that for awhile yrs ago...I no longer buy or use grape seed OIL.

I have no charts and either take it or don't, do a google with all the benefits of grape seed extract and just about every known health issue.

Grape seed Extract and Asthma for one. Just One.

https://www.usairpurifiers.com/blog/...thma-symptoms/

Do you have a health issue? If so, do a search of it and Grape Seed EXTRACT.

What do you mean "oh please"? Answer the question. This is how science works. You just don't know what you're talking about and don't care that the advice you give could kill people. What you're doing is immoral, vile and despicable. Do you want to kill people? That's how you're acting. Do you think it's funny?

Craig4 · 24th February 2021, 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by Caroline13

I'm a Big Girl and can handle myself as I know my ~~Truths~~ own lies.

FTFY.

Blue Mountain · 24th February 2021, 09:26 PM

Originally Posted by Caroline13

I'm a Big Girl and can handle myself as I know my Truths.

Does that include calling DNA "a preservative, pure and simple"? I notice you've never addressed that one.

Steve · 25th February 2021, 04:42 AM

Originally Posted by Axxman300

Probably shouldn't post this question, but the old CTist in me can't help it.

Why don't COVID-19 CTists see the virus as a dry-run for a future NWO bio-weapon?

Governments and NGOs around the globe are collecting all kinds of data on how exactly the virus spread, who got it, and why they were infected:

Higher rates in Minorities? Check.

Loud Mouth anti-government types refusing to take basic precautions? Check.

If there was some secret NWO out there it has become obvious how to cull the population, and eliminate resistance without ever firing a shot.

There was a time the good CTists would have thought this way,

Well there's your problem. Any "CTist" who thinks anything will be accomplished by posting inane thoughts on this obscure message board is not even worthy of the name.

(Also, they do not realize that most of us here are already an important component of that very conspiracy

)

Childlike Empress · 25th February 2021, 05:20 AM

I know nobody who is sick and dying of "Covid-19". I know a lot of people who are sick and dying of "the measures", though. Fascism kills. Fear is the virus.

The Don · 25th February 2021, 05:54 AM

Originally Posted by Childlike Empress

I know nobody who is sick and dying of "Covid-19". I know a lot of people who are sick and dying of "the measures", though. Fascism kills. Fear is the virus.

Lucky you. Living in Germany you must be very fortunate, have a comparatively narrow circle of acquaintances, be underplaying the effects on people you know or some combination of all three.

A number of close friends have caught Covid-19, several have been very sick, some are still feeling the effects weeks and months later.

One of Mrs Don's uncles died from Covid-19, her mother's best friend died with Covid-19.

Cosmic Yak · 25th February 2021, 06:01 AM

Originally Posted by Axxman300

Probably shouldn't post this question, but the old CTist in me can't help it.

Why don't COVID-19 CTists see the virus as a dry-run for a future NWO bio-weapon?

Governments and NGOs around the globe are collecting all kinds of data on how exactly the virus spread, who got it, and why they were infected:

Higher rates in Minorities? Check.

Loud Mouth anti-government types refusing to take basic precautions? Check.

If there was some secret NWO out there it has become obvious how to cull the population, and eliminate resistance without ever firing a shot.

There was a time the good CTists would have thought this way,

On a related note:
It occurred to me this morning that, if, as the CTs would have it, the vaccine is deliberately designed to be fatal, as part of this supposed depopulation programme, then the vaccine would be a really bad way of achieving this.

All the 'sheeple' would take the vaccine, and all the 'fearless resistance fighters' would refuse. The weapon, then, would cull all those MOST likely to go along with the Government's Evil Plan, and leave alive those most likely to resist it.
Utterly self-defeating. Why would they do this? It makes no sense at all.

Steve · 25th February 2021, 06:03 AM

Originally Posted by Cosmic Yak

On a related note:
It occurred to me this morning that, if, as the CTs would have it, the vaccine is deliberately designed to be fatal, as part of this supposed depopulation programme, then the vaccine would be a really bad way of achieving this.

All the 'sheeple' would take the vaccine, and all the 'fearless resistance fighters' would refuse. The weapon, then, would cull all those MOST likely to go along with the Government's Evil Plan, and leave alive those most likely to resist it.
Utterly self-defeating. Why would they do this? It makes no sense at all.

Yeah! Conspiracy theories are inevitably well thought out and logical.

Armitage72 · 25th February 2021, 06:17 AM

Originally Posted by Cosmic Yak

On a related note:
It occurred to me this morning that, if, as the CTs would have it, the vaccine is deliberately designed to be fatal, as part of this supposed depopulation programme, then the vaccine would be a really bad way of achieving this.

All the 'sheeple' would take the vaccine, and all the 'fearless resistance fighters' would refuse. The weapon, then, would cull all those MOST likely to go along with the Government's Evil Plan, and leave alive those most likely to resist it.
Utterly self-defeating. Why would they do this? It makes no sense at all.

You missed the step where the vaccine is made mandatory, so the fearless resistance fighters all get rounded up and shipped to the FEMA detention camps for their refusal.

The Great Zaganza · 25th February 2021, 06:51 AM

Originally Posted by Childlike Empress

I know nobody who is sick and dying of "Covid-19". I know a lot of people who are sick and dying of "the measures", though. Fascism kills. Fear is the virus.

Availability heuristic in action.

Foster Zygote · 25th February 2021, 07:23 AM

Originally Posted by Childlike Empress

I know nobody who is sick and dying of "Covid-19".

Lucky you! How many people have you known who died of heart disease, in the last ten months?

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I know a lot of people who are sick and dying of "the measures", though. Fascism kills. Fear is the virus.

You know a lot of people who are dying of wearing face-masks and social distancing? That sounds like histrionic ******** to me.

SteveAitch · 25th February 2021, 08:11 AM

Originally Posted by Armitage72

You missed the step where the vaccine is made mandatory, so the fearless resistance fighters all get rounded up and shipped to the FEMA detention camps for their refusal.

Ah, if all the sheeple are dead, who's left to do the rounding up?

Childlike Empress · 25th February 2021, 08:25 AM

Originally Posted by Foster Zygote

Lucky you! How many people have you known who died of heart disease, in the last ten months?.

Nobody restricts my basic rights or forces me to wear a silly face diaper because of heart disease. Last time I've checked people are even still allowed to do dangerous nonsense like skydiving.

junkshop · 25th February 2021, 08:27 AM

Originally Posted by Childlike Empress

Nobody restricts my basic rights or forces me to wear a silly face diaper because of heart disease.

As has been pointed out many times, heart disease isn't contagious.

Steve · 25th February 2021, 08:33 AM

Originally Posted by Childlike Empress

Nobody restricts my basic rights or forces me to wear a silly face diaper because of heart disease. Last time I've checked people are even still allowed to do dangerous nonsense like skydiving.

Think a little. Is there a potential for an individual with heart disease or a person skydiving to spread a potentially lethal disease to others?

Actual human beings worthy of the name have empathy for their fellow people. This is the epitome of the idiocy of wanting freedom without responsibility. Almost makes you sound like an American conservative.

Childlike Empress · 25th February 2021, 08:36 AM

Originally Posted by Steve

Think a little. Is there a potential for an individual with heart disease or a person skydiving to spread a potentially lethal disease to others?

Actual human beings worthy of the name have empathy for their fellow people. This is the epitome of the idiocy of wanting freedom without responsibility. Almost makes you sound like an American conservative.

I think big. Was it me who brought up heart disease?

Foster Zygote · 25th February 2021, 09:27 AM

Originally Posted by Childlike Empress

Nobody restricts my basic rights or forces me to wear a silly face diaper because of heart disease. Last time I've checked people are even still allowed to do dangerous nonsense like skydiving.

I'm not sure if you genuinely missed the point, or if you're being deliberately obtuse. You've taken my response to your first claim and applied it to your second, while ignoring my second point. Erroneous or deliberate, we may as well proceed as if it's a failure of comprehension on your part.

My first point about knowing anyone who's died of heart disease in the last ten months highlights your statistical fallacy. Heart disease is the number one killer in the world. But most people don't know many people who die of heart disease in any given ten month period. But an individual anecdote about such a lack of personal association doesn't mean that heart disease is a myth.

If I could eliminate heart disease deaths by wearing a mask for a tiny percentage of my life, I'd gladly do it. And I wouldn't whine about it like a big baby. But heart disease isn't spread by people as they exhale, is it? So that point is a non sequitur. Skydiving is a similarly ludicrous analogy, because if you skydive, you are taking a chance with your own life, and not randomly risking the lives of others. A better analogy would be speeding in an automobile on public roads. The "personal risk" argument falls apart because it isn't just you being put at risk when you ignore the dangers.

Foster Zygote · 25th February 2021, 09:29 AM

Originally Posted by Childlike Empress

I think big. Was it me who brought up heart disease?

Bring it up? You didn't even understand the analogy.

Carrot Flower King · 25th February 2021, 09:50 AM

Originally Posted by Caroline13

Do you have a health issue? If so, do a search of it and Grape Seed EXTRACT.

Which several of us DID and found nothing supporting any of your claims and a whole heap of things, including from a couple of the Merkinanian hospitals you said supported it, saying that it does nowt - that's nada, zilch, naff all, sod all, nothing.

And then you did not respond to us pointing that out.

Childlike Empress · 25th February 2021, 09:56 AM

Originally Posted by Foster Zygote

Bring it up? You didn't even understand the analogy.

Heart disease is a fact of life, like the flu. Nobody is throwing a hissy over it. Your "analogy" is absurd.

Pixel42 · 25th February 2021, 10:31 AM

Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King

Which several of us DID and found nothing supporting any of your claims and a whole heap of things, including from a couple of the Merkinanian hospitals you said supported it, saying that it does nowt - that's nada, zilch, naff all, sod all, nothing.

And then you did not respond to us pointing that out.

To be fair, that isn't what the link I posted says. There's real evidence it does help with some things (high cholesterol, for example). It's just not a cure all, as Caroline13 seems to be claiming.

Foster Zygote · 25th February 2021, 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by Childlike Empress

Heart disease is a fact of life, like the flu.

Traffic deaths are a fact of life, too. Are you going to call speed limits, traffic signals, seat belt laws and manufacturer safety standards "fascism"? There's very little that you or I can do to prevent heart disease in others by modifying our own behavior. But there's a hell of a lot we can personally do to reduce the risk of others dying in a traffic accident.

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Nobody is throwing a hissy over it.

But some people are throwing tantrums over practices like wearing a mask in public and avoiding close contact with people outside their homes. Seriously, can you tell us exactly how many people you personally know who have died as a direct result of masks or social distancing? You claimed it was "a lot", so you should be able to give us some idea how many.

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Your "analogy" is absurd.

Again, you don't even realize what the analogy is about. It was directly addressing your argument that COVID19 isn't serious because you don't personally know anyone who's died from it. Heart disease is another deadly reality, but if someone concluded that it's a hoax, or was overblown and little worse than seasonal flu because he or she hadn't personally known anyone who died from it in the last ten months, that person would be making a remarkably stupid argument.

Steve · 25th February 2021, 11:12 AM

Originally Posted by Childlike Empress

I think big. Was it me who brought up heart disease?

To borrow a phrase from a one-time poster here - Evidence?

Axxman300 · 25th February 2021, 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by Childlike Empress

Nobody restricts my basic rights or forces me to wear a silly face diaper because of heart disease. Last time I've checked people are even still allowed to do dangerous nonsense like skydiving.

If a single act of skydiving killed 20 people on the ground unrelated to the skydiver the sport would be outlawed by noon.

Axxman300 · 25th February 2021, 11:55 AM

During my appointment with my Pulmonologist yesterday we discussed COVID-19. She said it has been a nightmare, both the virus itself, and the state and county's response to it. California has screwed up testing beyond repair. The current vaccine distribution is a mess.

She said she and her colleagues have never seen something like COVID-19. The virus is amazingly contagious, and it hits fast. A patient can be fine one day and on a ventilator the next.

The appointment was done online. If the virus was fake we would have met in person.

Caroline13 · 25th February 2021, 12:12 PM

Well, the latest on the vaccines, the J&J will not be given to the older folks, being saved for the youngins, this vaccine supposedly is not as strong as the 2 being used now. All these rushed vaccines and so much I believe to be known as time goes on.

Just so glad the vaccine is not on my list of "things to do"...

Thanks but no thanks big pharma and big govt.

Give me my Vit C, D, Zinc and and and.

kali1137 · 25th February 2021, 12:16 PM

Originally Posted by Caroline13

Well, the latest on the vaccines, the J&J will not be given to the older folks, being saved for the youngins, this vaccine supposedly is not as strong as the 2 being used now. All these rushed vaccines and so much I believe to be known as time goes on.

Just so glad the vaccine is not on my list of "things to do"...

Thanks but no thanks big pharma and big govt.

Give me my Vit C, D, Zinc and and and.

If you repeat this enough times maybe someone will give you a cracker.

Hans · 25th February 2021, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by Caroline13

Well, the latest on the vaccines, the J&J will not be given to the older folks, being saved for the youngins, this vaccine supposedly is not as strong as the 2 being used now. All these rushed vaccines and so much I believe to be known as time goes on.

Just so glad the vaccine is not on my list of "things to do"...

Thanks but no thanks big pharma and big govt.

Give me my Vit C, D, Zinc and and and.

How did the Polynesians - who had a very healthy diet, do when they encounter Europeans and their diseases? The Hawaiian's lost 84% of their population once they encountered Cook. How do you explain that?

bruto · 25th February 2021, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by Childlike Empress

Heart disease is a fact of life, like the flu. Nobody is throwing a hissy over it. Your "analogy" is absurd.

I think you're being obtuse, and insofar as you continue with an analogy, it's more than a little absurd.

Heart disease is not contagious of course, but it is also the target of huge, varied efforts in numerous fields. Doctors, drug makers, food manufacturers, advertisers, public service organizations, gymnasia, health experts and health quacks, all push heart healthiness. It's a huge concern and a huge industry. Because it is not contagious, the attention given it is not so obvious, the "hissy" of a different sort, but it's also blindingly obvious that it's taken seriously whether or not you care to observe it.

24th February 2021, 12:30 PM	#1761
Thermal Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 14,003	Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge I guess Truths are somehow different from facts. Everyone's entitled to their own opinions, but not to their own facts. Truth. Er, factual. Wait, opinionated. Never mind.
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24th February 2021, 12:58 PM	#1763
P.J. Denyer Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 7,991	Originally Posted by Pixel42 https://www.webmd.com/diet/grape-seed-extract No, you need to go to a really qualified source, like someone flogging air purifiers!
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24th February 2021, 01:00 PM	#1764
beachnut Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Dog House Posts: 25,849	Originally Posted by Caroline13 Again, what are you talking about opinions, facts...you Skeptics are hilarious... Originally Posted by Caroline13 ... And I believe it's some kind of a planned designed hoax from day 1 when the March 12 switch seemed to be turned on. ... Got some facts to back up your opinion/belief. You have opinions based on paranoid conspiracy theories about Covid. So you are not a skeptic, you are believer.
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24th February 2021, 02:34 PM	#1766
arthwollipot Observer of Phenomena Pronouns: he/him Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ngunnawal Country Posts: 70,919	Originally Posted by Caroline13 I'm a Big Girl and can handle myself as I know my Truths. How do you know that your Truths are really true? This is the most important question in the universe, by the way. Think about it very carefully.
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24th February 2021, 03:12 PM	#1767
bruto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Way way north of Diddy Wah Diddy Posts: 28,194	Originally Posted by Caroline13 I'm a Big Girl and can handle myself as I know my Truths. Knowing or believing you know what is true, with or without a capital T, is not the same as knowing how to behave. Do with that observation whatever you like.
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24th February 2021, 12:54 PM	#1762
Caroline13 Muse Join Date: Jan 2021 Location: So Calif. Posts: 520	Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge I guess Truths are somehow different from facts. Everyone's entitled to their own opinions, but not to their own facts. Again, what are you talking about opinions, facts...you Skeptics are hilarious...

24th February 2021, 02:31 PM	#1765
Jack by the hedge Safely Ignored Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 10,974	Originally Posted by Caroline13 Again, what are you talking about opinions, facts...you Skeptics are hilarious... Well, you were the one who introduced your capital-T Truths. I don't know what Truths are, but if forced to guess I would suppose they were opinions which you feel deserve special treatment.

24th February 2021, 03:27 PM	#1768
Matthew Ellard Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 4,029	Originally Posted by Caroline13 I'm a Big Girl and can handle myself as I know my Truths. .....but can't remember what last vaccination you had? What was it Caroline13?

24th February 2021, 03:43 PM	#1769
EHocking Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,592	Originally Posted by Caroline13 Oh please, you continue to say grape seed oil, put it in your salads and see how they taste and even cook with it, I did that for awhile yrs ago...I no longer buy or use grape seed OIL. I have no charts and either take it or don't, do a google with all the benefits of grape seed extract and just about every known health issue. Grape seed Extract and Asthma for one. Just One. https://www.usairpurifiers.com/blog/...thma-symptoms/ Do you have a health issue? If so, do a search of it and Grape Seed EXTRACT. Originally Posted by Caroline13 Lab produced drugs are synthetic for the most part. Nothing earthy about them as I can see. Extract doesn’t seem very earthy. “The classic method incorporates extraction with organic solvents such as acetone, acetonitrile, ethyl acetate, and methanol.” Also, do you know how VitD is synthesised? Not very earthy either. Your belief systems just don’t seem to be consistent.
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24th February 2021, 05:26 PM	#1770
MarkCorrigan Winter is Coming Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 9,081	Oh good, Caroline is back! Maybe now she can answer me? I mean, we wouldn't want to make people think she was being intellectually dishonest, would we?
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24th February 2021, 06:11 PM	#1771
Axxman300 Illuminator Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Central California Coast Posts: 4,950	Probably shouldn't post this question, but the old CTist in me can't help it. Why don't COVID-19 CTists see the virus as a dry-run for a future NWO bio-weapon? Governments and NGOs around the globe are collecting all kinds of data on how exactly the virus spread, who got it, and why they were infected: Higher rates in Minorities? Check. Loud Mouth anti-government types refusing to take basic precautions? Check. If there was some secret NWO out there it has become obvious how to cull the population, and eliminate resistance without ever firing a shot. There was a time the good CTists would have thought this way,
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24th February 2021, 08:14 PM	#1772
Craig4 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: I live in a swamp Posts: 22,815	Originally Posted by Caroline13 Oh please, you continue to say grape seed oil, put it in your salads and see how they taste and even cook with it, I did that for awhile yrs ago...I no longer buy or use grape seed OIL. I have no charts and either take it or don't, do a google with all the benefits of grape seed extract and just about every known health issue. Grape seed Extract and Asthma for one. Just One. https://www.usairpurifiers.com/blog/...thma-symptoms/ Do you have a health issue? If so, do a search of it and Grape Seed EXTRACT. What do you mean "oh please"? Answer the question. This is how science works. You just don't know what you're talking about and don't care that the advice you give could kill people. What you're doing is immoral, vile and despicable. Do you want to kill people? That's how you're acting. Do you think it's funny?

24th February 2021, 08:15 PM	#1773
Craig4 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: I live in a swamp Posts: 22,815	Originally Posted by Caroline13 I'm a Big Girl and can handle myself as I know my ~~Truths~~ own lies. FTFY.

24th February 2021, 09:26 PM	#1774
Blue Mountain Resident Skeptical Hobbit Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Waging war on woo-woo in Winnipeg Posts: 6,518	Originally Posted by Caroline13 I'm a Big Girl and can handle myself as I know my Truths. Does that include calling DNA "a preservative, pure and simple"? I notice you've never addressed that one.
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25th February 2021, 04:42 AM	#1775
Steve Philosopher Join Date: May 2005 Location: Sydney Nova Scotia Posts: 8,709	Originally Posted by Axxman300 Probably shouldn't post this question, but the old CTist in me can't help it. Why don't COVID-19 CTists see the virus as a dry-run for a future NWO bio-weapon? Governments and NGOs around the globe are collecting all kinds of data on how exactly the virus spread, who got it, and why they were infected: Higher rates in Minorities? Check. Loud Mouth anti-government types refusing to take basic precautions? Check. If there was some secret NWO out there it has become obvious how to cull the population, and eliminate resistance without ever firing a shot. There was a time the good CTists would have thought this way, Well there's your problem. Any "CTist" who thinks anything will be accomplished by posting inane thoughts on this obscure message board is not even worthy of the name. (Also, they do not realize that most of us here are already an important component of that very conspiracy )
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25th February 2021, 05:20 AM	#1776
Childlike Empress Ewige Blumenkraft Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Ivory Tower Posts: 19,082	I know nobody who is sick and dying of "Covid-19". I know a lot of people who are sick and dying of "the measures", though. Fascism kills. Fear is the virus.
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25th February 2021, 05:54 AM	#1777
The Don Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sir Fynwy Posts: 31,587	Originally Posted by Childlike Empress I know nobody who is sick and dying of "Covid-19". I know a lot of people who are sick and dying of "the measures", though. Fascism kills. Fear is the virus. Lucky you. Living in Germany you must be very fortunate, have a comparatively narrow circle of acquaintances, be underplaying the effects on people you know or some combination of all three. A number of close friends have caught Covid-19, several have been very sick, some are still feeling the effects weeks and months later. One of Mrs Don's uncles died from Covid-19, her mother's best friend died with Covid-19.

25th February 2021, 06:01 AM	#1778
Cosmic Yak Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Where there's never a road broader than the back of your hand. Posts: 3,995	Originally Posted by Axxman300 Probably shouldn't post this question, but the old CTist in me can't help it. Why don't COVID-19 CTists see the virus as a dry-run for a future NWO bio-weapon? Governments and NGOs around the globe are collecting all kinds of data on how exactly the virus spread, who got it, and why they were infected: Higher rates in Minorities? Check. Loud Mouth anti-government types refusing to take basic precautions? Check. If there was some secret NWO out there it has become obvious how to cull the population, and eliminate resistance without ever firing a shot. There was a time the good CTists would have thought this way, On a related note: It occurred to me this morning that, if, as the CTs would have it, the vaccine is deliberately designed to be fatal, as part of this supposed depopulation programme, then the vaccine would be a really bad way of achieving this. All the 'sheeple' would take the vaccine, and all the 'fearless resistance fighters' would refuse. The weapon, then, would cull all those MOST likely to go along with the Government's Evil Plan, and leave alive those most likely to resist it. Utterly self-defeating. Why would they do this? It makes no sense at all.
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25th February 2021, 06:03 AM	#1779
Steve Philosopher Join Date: May 2005 Location: Sydney Nova Scotia Posts: 8,709	Originally Posted by Cosmic Yak On a related note: It occurred to me this morning that, if, as the CTs would have it, the vaccine is deliberately designed to be fatal, as part of this supposed depopulation programme, then the vaccine would be a really bad way of achieving this. All the 'sheeple' would take the vaccine, and all the 'fearless resistance fighters' would refuse. The weapon, then, would cull all those MOST likely to go along with the Government's Evil Plan, and leave alive those most likely to resist it. Utterly self-defeating. Why would they do this? It makes no sense at all. Yeah! Conspiracy theories are inevitably well thought out and logical.
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25th February 2021, 06:17 AM	#1780
Armitage72 Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 5,397	Originally Posted by Cosmic Yak On a related note: It occurred to me this morning that, if, as the CTs would have it, the vaccine is deliberately designed to be fatal, as part of this supposed depopulation programme, then the vaccine would be a really bad way of achieving this. All the 'sheeple' would take the vaccine, and all the 'fearless resistance fighters' would refuse. The weapon, then, would cull all those MOST likely to go along with the Government's Evil Plan, and leave alive those most likely to resist it. Utterly self-defeating. Why would they do this? It makes no sense at all. You missed the step where the vaccine is made mandatory, so the fearless resistance fighters all get rounded up and shipped to the FEMA detention camps for their refusal.

25th February 2021, 06:51 AM	#1781
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 14,852	Originally Posted by Childlike Empress I know nobody who is sick and dying of "Covid-19". I know a lot of people who are sick and dying of "the measures", though. Fascism kills. Fear is the virus. Availability heuristic in action.
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25th February 2021, 07:23 AM	#1782
Foster Zygote Dental Floss Tycoon Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 17,956	Originally Posted by Childlike Empress I know nobody who is sick and dying of "Covid-19". Lucky you! How many people have you known who died of heart disease, in the last ten months? Quote: I know a lot of people who are sick and dying of "the measures", though. Fascism kills. Fear is the virus. You know a lot of people who are dying of wearing face-masks and social distancing? That sounds like histrionic ******** to me.
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25th February 2021, 08:11 AM	#1783
SteveAitch Thinker Join Date: Apr 2020 Location: St Aines Posts: 167	Originally Posted by Armitage72 You missed the step where the vaccine is made mandatory, so the fearless resistance fighters all get rounded up and shipped to the FEMA detention camps for their refusal. Ah, if all the sheeple are dead, who's left to do the rounding up?
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25th February 2021, 08:25 AM	#1784
Childlike Empress Ewige Blumenkraft Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Ivory Tower Posts: 19,082	Originally Posted by Foster Zygote Lucky you! How many people have you known who died of heart disease, in the last ten months?. Nobody restricts my basic rights or forces me to wear a silly face diaper because of heart disease. Last time I've checked people are even still allowed to do dangerous nonsense like skydiving.
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25th February 2021, 08:27 AM	#1785
junkshop Student Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: blighted lorry park Posts: 38	Originally Posted by Childlike Empress Nobody restricts my basic rights or forces me to wear a silly face diaper because of heart disease. As has been pointed out many times, heart disease isn't contagious.
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25th February 2021, 08:33 AM	#1786
Steve Philosopher Join Date: May 2005 Location: Sydney Nova Scotia Posts: 8,709	Originally Posted by Childlike Empress Nobody restricts my basic rights or forces me to wear a silly face diaper because of heart disease. Last time I've checked people are even still allowed to do dangerous nonsense like skydiving. Think a little. Is there a potential for an individual with heart disease or a person skydiving to spread a potentially lethal disease to others? Actual human beings worthy of the name have empathy for their fellow people. This is the epitome of the idiocy of wanting freedom without responsibility. Almost makes you sound like an American conservative.
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25th February 2021, 08:36 AM	#1787
Childlike Empress Ewige Blumenkraft Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Ivory Tower Posts: 19,082	Originally Posted by Steve Think a little. Is there a potential for an individual with heart disease or a person skydiving to spread a potentially lethal disease to others? Actual human beings worthy of the name have empathy for their fellow people. This is the epitome of the idiocy of wanting freedom without responsibility. Almost makes you sound like an American conservative. I think big. Was it me who brought up heart disease?
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25th February 2021, 09:27 AM	#1788
Foster Zygote Dental Floss Tycoon Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 17,956	Originally Posted by Childlike Empress Nobody restricts my basic rights or forces me to wear a silly face diaper because of heart disease. Last time I've checked people are even still allowed to do dangerous nonsense like skydiving. I'm not sure if you genuinely missed the point, or if you're being deliberately obtuse. You've taken my response to your first claim and applied it to your second, while ignoring my second point. Erroneous or deliberate, we may as well proceed as if it's a failure of comprehension on your part. My first point about knowing anyone who's died of heart disease in the last ten months highlights your statistical fallacy. Heart disease is the number one killer in the world. But most people don't know many people who die of heart disease in any given ten month period. But an individual anecdote about such a lack of personal association doesn't mean that heart disease is a myth. If I could eliminate heart disease deaths by wearing a mask for a tiny percentage of my life, I'd gladly do it. And I wouldn't whine about it like a big baby. But heart disease isn't spread by people as they exhale, is it? So that point is a non sequitur. Skydiving is a similarly ludicrous analogy, because if you skydive, you are taking a chance with your own life, and not randomly risking the lives of others. A better analogy would be speeding in an automobile on public roads. The "personal risk" argument falls apart because it isn't just you being put at risk when you ignore the dangers.
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25th February 2021, 09:29 AM	#1789
Foster Zygote Dental Floss Tycoon Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 17,956	Originally Posted by Childlike Empress I think big. Was it me who brought up heart disease? Bring it up? You didn't even understand the analogy.
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25th February 2021, 09:50 AM	#1790
Carrot Flower King Muse Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: Northumberland, UK Posts: 897	Originally Posted by Caroline13 Do you have a health issue? If so, do a search of it and Grape Seed EXTRACT. Which several of us DID and found nothing supporting any of your claims and a whole heap of things, including from a couple of the Merkinanian hospitals you said supported it, saying that it does nowt - that's nada, zilch, naff all, sod all, nothing. And then you did not respond to us pointing that out.

25th February 2021, 09:56 AM	#1791
Childlike Empress Ewige Blumenkraft Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Ivory Tower Posts: 19,082	Originally Posted by Foster Zygote Bring it up? You didn't even understand the analogy. Heart disease is a fact of life, like the flu. Nobody is throwing a hissy over it. Your "analogy" is absurd.
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25th February 2021, 10:31 AM	#1792
Pixel42 Schrödinger's cat Join Date: May 2004 Location: Malmesbury, UK Posts: 13,146	Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King Which several of us DID and found nothing supporting any of your claims and a whole heap of things, including from a couple of the Merkinanian hospitals you said supported it, saying that it does nowt - that's nada, zilch, naff all, sod all, nothing. And then you did not respond to us pointing that out. To be fair, that isn't what the link I posted says. There's real evidence it does help with some things (high cholesterol, for example). It's just not a cure all, as Caroline13 seems to be claiming.
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25th February 2021, 10:35 AM	#1793
Foster Zygote Dental Floss Tycoon Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 17,956	Originally Posted by Childlike Empress Heart disease is a fact of life, like the flu. Traffic deaths are a fact of life, too. Are you going to call speed limits, traffic signals, seat belt laws and manufacturer safety standards "fascism"? There's very little that you or I can do to prevent heart disease in others by modifying our own behavior. But there's a hell of a lot we can personally do to reduce the risk of others dying in a traffic accident. Quote: Nobody is throwing a hissy over it. But some people are throwing tantrums over practices like wearing a mask in public and avoiding close contact with people outside their homes. Seriously, can you tell us exactly how many people you personally know who have died as a direct result of masks or social distancing? You claimed it was "a lot", so you should be able to give us some idea how many. Quote: Your "analogy" is absurd. Again, you don't even realize what the analogy is about. It was directly addressing your argument that COVID19 isn't serious because you don't personally know anyone who's died from it. Heart disease is another deadly reality, but if someone concluded that it's a hoax, or was overblown and little worse than seasonal flu because he or she hadn't personally known anyone who died from it in the last ten months, that person would be making a remarkably stupid argument.
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25th February 2021, 11:12 AM	#1794
Steve Philosopher Join Date: May 2005 Location: Sydney Nova Scotia Posts: 8,709	Originally Posted by Childlike Empress I think big. Was it me who brought up heart disease? To borrow a phrase from a one-time poster here - Evidence?
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25th February 2021, 11:44 AM	#1795
Axxman300 Illuminator Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Central California Coast Posts: 4,950	Originally Posted by Childlike Empress Nobody restricts my basic rights or forces me to wear a silly face diaper because of heart disease. Last time I've checked people are even still allowed to do dangerous nonsense like skydiving. If a single act of skydiving killed 20 people on the ground unrelated to the skydiver the sport would be outlawed by noon.
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