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View Poll Results: Have you been vaccinated?
Yes, I am fully vaccinated. 172 86.43%
I have received 1 vaccination shot 17 8.54%
No, I intend to but haven't got around to it. 3 1.51%
No, There are personal medical reasons that I should not receive the vaccine 1 0.50%
No, COVID is a hoax. The vaccine is part of some Communist plot. 4 2.01%
No, God will protect me. You cannot trust science. 2 1.01%
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Old 28th August 2021, 07:34 PM   #481
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Walgreens and CVS in my city both take walk ins
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Old 28th August 2021, 07:38 PM   #482
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Originally Posted by Craig4 View Post
Moderna knocked me for a loop. I got the shot in the morning and felt fine until about five in the afternoon. Then, it hit me like a ton of bricks. I was miserable for about 36 hours.
Anecdotally just from people I know personally, the Moderna shot seems to have worse reactions than the Pfizer.
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Originally Posted by dirtywick View Post
Anecdotally just from people I know personally, the Moderna shot seems to have worse reactions than the Pfizer.
That's what I gather from my nonscientific study of friends and coworkers too. People who got pfizer were down for a day, those who got Moderna were down for two. I only know two people who got the J and J so not enough data to tell.
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Originally Posted by Craig4 View Post
That's what I gather from my nonscientific study of friends and coworkers too. People who got pfizer were down for a day, those who got Moderna were down for two. I only know two people who got the J and J so not enough data to tell.
My husband and I both got Moderna. Other than a sore arm for a day or two, nothing of note. Same for our daughter who got Pfizer.
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Anecdotally just from people I know personally, the Moderna shot seems to have worse reactions than the Pfizer.
Not surprising given the Moderna dose is about 3 times more than the Pfizer vaccine dose.
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Not surprising given the Moderna dose is about 3 times more than the Pfizer vaccine dose.
I had no idea.
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I’m fully vaccinated. Pfizer. I intend to get the booster in Six months.
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Aside from a sore arm for two or three days I had no negative effects.
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Originally Posted by Cainkane1 View Post
Aside from a sore arm for two or three days I had no negative effects.
Same here, for Pfizer doses 1, 2 and 3.
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You know, now it all makes sense. I was upset with CVS corporation for this new policy, but now I realize that one of these stupid split-tails probably misread the memo.
Good marketing opportunity there, Warp! I'm sure it would be a big hit among the self-professed 'family values' group.



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Old 29th August 2021, 01:34 PM   #491
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Not surprising given the Moderna dose is about 3 times more than the Pfizer vaccine dose.
Can you explain that more? I don't understand what 3 times more means.
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Can you explain that more? I don't understand what 3 times more means.
I expect it is as measured by volume or mass.

Comparing the Covid-19 vaccines developed by Pfizer, Moderna, and Johnson & Johnson

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Each dose of Pfizer’s contains 30 micrograms of vaccine. Moderna went with a much larger dose of vaccine, 100 micrograms. It means the company is using a little more than three times as much vaccine per person as Pfizer is. And yet, they aren’t getting better results. The government’s vaccine development program, formerly called Operation Warp Speed, has asked Moderna to test if it could lower the dosage of its vaccine without eroding the vaccine’s protection.
So just over three times more actual vaccine by mass.
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I expect it is as measured by volume or mass.

Comparing the Covid-19 vaccines developed by Pfizer, Moderna, and Johnson & Johnson

So just over three times more actual vaccine by mass.
They're not the same vaccine though. They're both based on the same principle though. So isn't it a bit like comparing apples and oranges? Or maybe different varieties of apples.
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They're not the same vaccine though. They're both based on the same principle though. So isn't it a bit like comparing apples and oranges? Or maybe different varieties of apples.
Sure, but getting pelted with 3 times as many granny smith apples (by mass) is probably going to have a greater potential for adverse effects than a lesser amount of red delicious or even nectarines. Moderna and Pfizer are the apples in this case and J&J the nectarines using a different method to get cells to produce the protein 'spikes' that emulate the virus for the immune reaction


Though, produce humor aside, both Moderna and Pfizer use the same mRNA approach to produce the proteins, that J&J doesn't use, while all three do get cells in the body to produce an emulating (of the virus) surface proteins. Certainly those methods and the variation can be factors, not to mention the proteins each produce to emulate the virous. Still over three times has much has to have some impact unless the response (for Moderna) is just generally so weak that such amount is needed to get consistent results. Which of course would mean that for people where the Moderna response is good, they can potentially get wacked 3 times as hard with the initial immune response.

We've all had Moderna here and didn't notice anything other than basically just having stuff injected into our arms. Though two of us are on immunosuppressants, so our immune responses are deliberately suppressed.
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Old 29th August 2021, 03:05 PM   #495
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Doubly vaccinated but caught Covid. Mild symptoms that felt like a head cold. Three days without a sense of smell. Does the "three times more" refer to cost?
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Originally Posted by The Man View Post
Sure, but getting pelted with 3 times as many granny smith apples (by mass) is probably going to have a greater potential for adverse effects than a lesser amount of red delicious or even nectarines. Moderna and Pfizer are the apples in this case and J&J the nectarines using a different method to get cells to produce the protein 'spikes' that emulate the virus for the immune reaction
Is this a good analogy though? Both doses are really not that large.

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Though, produce humor aside, both Moderna and Pfizer use the same mRNA approach to produce the proteins, that J&J doesn't use, while all three do get cells in the body to produce an emulating (of the virus) surface proteins. Certainly those methods and the variation can be factors, not to mention the proteins each produce to emulate the virous. Still over three times has much has to have some impact unless the response (for Moderna) is just generally so weak that such amount is needed to get consistent results. Which of course would mean that for people where the Moderna response is good, they can potentially get wacked 3 times as hard with the initial immune response.

We've all had Moderna here and didn't notice anything other than basically just having stuff injected into our arms. Though two of us are on immunosuppressants, so our immune responses are deliberately suppressed.
I had the Pfizer and felt no ill effects after the first or second shot outside of a little tenderness where I received the injections. That lasted for a few days.
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Is this a good analogy though? Both doses are really not that large.
Try to think of it in terms of if the throwers of the apples have good aim or not. If the mRNA is doing a good job, its like the throwers have better aim and a greater potential for a big immune response and general temporary nastiness. If the mRNA for, whatever reason, ain't quite hitting all the marks it could, then bad aim apple throwers and less potential for an apple sauce pelting. The amounts are different so how it balances out or doesn't, comes down to how effective the throwers are.

Just volume wise with a typical 1 ml syringe the Moderna dose would be about 1/10 the syringe and the Pfizer one third of that
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Can you explain that more? I don't understand what 3 times more means.
I thought it was more than this so I'll keep looking:

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Pfizer/BioNTech Vaccine has been recommended to people 16 years of age and older, with a dose of 30 μg (0.3 m)...

Moderna Vaccine has been recommended to people 18 years of age and older, with a dose of 50 μg
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Medscape: COVID-19 vaccine, mRNA-Pfizer (Rx)
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Dosage Forms & Strengths
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Dosage Forms & Strengths
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2 multiple dose vial sizes: Maximum of 11 doses (range 10-11 doses) or maximum of 15 doses (range 13-15 doses)
I'm not sure of why there is a discrepancy in the two citations.
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I expect it is as measured by volume or mass.

Comparing the Covid-19 vaccines developed by Pfizer, Moderna, and Johnson & Johnson

So just over three times more actual vaccine by mass.
This ^. So that's two citations with the 100mcg dose, not 50.
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They're not the same vaccine though. They're both based on the same principle though. So isn't it a bit like comparing apples and oranges? Or maybe different varieties of apples.
Technically, there are no substitutes in biologics which these are. What that means is you do indeed have 2 different products.

OTOH, these are simply the (somewhat) arbitrary doses the companies chose to use. They are similar enough one can say there is more mRNA in the Moderna product.
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As I got the Moderna vaccine, does this mean that I have 3X the number of tracking chips in me and I'm 3X more magnetic? I need to know as I'm planning on going to Kitchen Kaboodle tomorrow and don't want to have metal knives flying across and stabbing me.
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As I got the Moderna vaccine, does this mean that I have 3X the number of tracking chips in me and I'm 3X more magnetic? I need to know as I'm planning on going to Kitchen Kaboodle tomorrow and don't want to have metal knives flying across and stabbing me.
The magnetic properties are inversely proportional (see: homeopathic) to the vaccine volume. You should be fine!

But if I'm wrong I call dibs on your stuff.
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The magnetic properties are inversely proportional (see: homeopathic) to the vaccine volume. You should be fine!

But if I'm wrong I call dibs on your stuff.
What size dress do you wear?
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What size dress do you wear?
I prefer my dresses to be free of knife holes and blood.
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I prefer my dresses to be free of knife holes and blood.
Picky, picky, picky.....
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Both, six months ago and despite dedicated research I just cannot get that gdam compass needle to do what's it supposed to do. Point to Hillary.
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injection, suspension
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2 multiple dose vial sizes: Maximum of 11 doses (range 10-11 doses) or maximum of 15 doses (range 13-15 doses)
I'm not sure of why there is a discrepancy in the two citations.
The quoted reference above also gives the injection syringe loading volume (vaccine plus saline and ect.) that I found in the loading and administering instructions for both. .5mL full load (vaccine and ect) for Moderna and .3 mL full load for Pfizer. So while the Moderna dosing syringe is almost twice as loaded by volume, the Pfizer dosing syringe is twice as diluted by volume. For Moderna the full load volume is five times the vaccine volume while for Pfizer its full load volume is ten times its vaccine volume.
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The quoted reference above also gives the injection syringe loading volume (vaccine plus saline and ect.) that I found in the loading and administering instructions for both. .5mL full load (vaccine and ect) for Moderna and .3 mL full load for Pfizer. So while the Moderna dosing syringe is almost twice as loaded by volume, the Pfizer dosing syringe is twice as diluted by volume. For Moderna the full load volume is five times the vaccine volume while for Pfizer its full load volume is ten times its vaccine volume.
The volume is not all that relevant. It's the total mcg per dose that is.
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Both, six months ago and despite dedicated research I just cannot get that gdam compass needle to do what's it supposed to do. Point to Hillary.
Wait, you mean you blame Hillary...or are you saying the compass needle is supposed to point to Hillary? The latter could indicate she's going way overboard on iron supplements.
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Wait, you mean you blame Hillary...or are you saying the compass needle is supposed to point to Hillary? The latter could indicate she's going way overboard on iron supplements.
No, it would indicate she's become magnetized from getting a Covid vaccine.
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No, it would indicate she's become magnetized from getting a Covid vaccine.

Wait a second…the Earth has a magnetic field!

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The volume is not all that relevant. It's the total mcg per dose that is.

Certainly, not all that relevant to the efficacy of the vaccine or the level of immune response potential from each. Just noting those additional differences for the actual volume one might see in the syringe when injected. As well as that for the effects we felt, the amount of stuff shoved into our arms was about the extent of it.
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Wait a second…the Earth has a magnetic field!

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NASA’s MAVEN spacecraft revealed how Mars lost its atmosphere and water

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Earth’s magnetic field protects us from high-energy particles coming from the Sun by deflecting them away from the planet, avoiding our atmosphere from being stripped away. Mars doesn’t have a magnetic field of its own, so solar radiation strikes its atmosphere directly, knocking atoms off into space. Scientists think this is how Mars lost most of its once dense atmosphere 3 billion years ago, turning a warm, watery planet into a chilly, dry desert world.
It's been trying to catch its breath since its last vaccine wore off.
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Certainly, not all that relevant to the efficacy of the vaccine or the level of immune response potential from each. Just noting those additional differences for the actual volume one might see in the syringe when injected. As well as that for the effects we felt, the amount of stuff shoved into our arms was about the extent of it.
The difference between the volumes wasn't enough to matter as far as one's injection site pain.

One might have more local pain at the site with the more concentrated version.

I'm not sure there is data comparing the initial side effects between the different formulations. But I would bet the Moderna vaccine had more with the higher dose.
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They won't vaccinate him when he's dead, either.

Anyone wanna bet that if it came down to be vaccinated or being executed, he'd choose vaccination?
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They won't vaccinate him when he's dead, either.

Anyone wanna bet that if it came down to be vaccinated or being executed, he'd choose vaccination?
Weirdly people have said those things before and were physically forced to be vaccinated.
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Originally Posted by acbytesla View Post
Weirdly people have said those things before and were physically forced to be vaccinated.
Citation? Mandated vaccination in not the same thing as forced vaccination. I don't now of any American adult who has been held down physically and vaccinated against they're will.
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Old 1st September 2021, 06:48 PM   #519
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
Citation? Mandated vaccination in not the same thing as forced vaccination. I don't now of any American adult who has been held down physically and vaccinated against they're will.
Ahem... I'm pretty sure that was sarcasm.
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Old 1st September 2021, 06:54 PM   #520
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Ahem... I'm pretty sure that was sarcasm.
I don't see it. The word 'Weirdly' leads me to think it was not. But AC can clarify.
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