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View Poll Results: Have you been vaccinated?
Yes, I am fully vaccinated. 172 86.43%
I have received 1 vaccination shot 17 8.54%
No, I intend to but haven't got around to it. 3 1.51%
No, There are personal medical reasons that I should not receive the vaccine 1 0.50%
No, COVID is a hoax. The vaccine is part of some Communist plot. 4 2.01%
No, God will protect me. You cannot trust science. 2 1.01%
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Old 11th July 2021, 03:58 PM   #81
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Originally Posted by Caroline13 View Post
You believe in what you believe, and so do I, MARK
I believe in reality and objective evidence. You believe any old nonsense put out by frauds.

How old are you again?
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Old 11th July 2021, 03:59 PM   #82
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Originally Posted by Caroline13 View Post
You believe in what you believe, and so do I, MARK
But yours isn't based on reality. There's a name for that.
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I see we've now got two votes for "No, God will protect me. You cannot trust science."

I bet I know who one of them is.
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Old 11th July 2021, 04:30 PM   #84
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Originally Posted by Caroline13 View Post
Door to Door Gestapo Is Coming..... Not to MY DOOR.

We might as well be in China and/or North Korea

https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-07-...rantines.html#

Vit C, Vit D, Zinc, Quercetin, Grape Seed Extract does the job.

Not the poison MRNA bullroar. More and more deaths reported and injuries in each VAERS report every week.

I hope you will report your injuries to VAERS when the time arrives.
This argument is dangerous and stupid. The ignorance of this post astounds me. The reference is a total lie. Who are you going to believe? The CDC, the WHO and doctors across the country or Natural News magazine?

The so called "task force" is volunteers going door to door helping people understand the facts about the virus and the vaccine. No one is forcing people to get the vaccine. So you can hardly compare this to China or North Korea.

But I have no problem if they did. This is an infectious disease. Some people's total stupidity is going to result in others dying. And to those spreading disinformation on this topic, I have only one thing to say.

GO TO HELL!
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Old 11th July 2021, 04:39 PM   #85
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Originally Posted by Caroline13 View Post
Door to Door Gestapo Is Coming..... Not to MY DOOR.

We might as well be in China and/or North Korea

https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-07-...rantines.html#

Vit C, Vit D, Zinc, Quercetin, Grape Seed Extract does the job.

Not the poison MRNA bullroar. More and more deaths reported and injuries in each VAERS report every week.

I hope you will report your injuries to VAERS when the time arrives.
The Humor thread is in the Members Only section. I think you posted this here by mistake.
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Originally Posted by Delphic Oracle View Post
They are going to seize your bibles!

The horror!
Beat me to it.

I was going to say that it reminded me of the paranoid evangelical hysterics about how the atheistic, Satanic, Commie Nazis were soon to round up all the Christians and send them to concentration camps. That was around forty years ago.
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I've seen this before:
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Not the poison MRNA bullroar. More and more deaths reported and injuries in each VAERS report every week.
So I went to the VAERS site and looked at the "deaths reported". Not ONE of them, according to the death certificates, was due to getting a vaccine; they all died from other causes but just happened to have had a vaccine recently. They were totally unrelated.

Man with end stage terminal cancer, age 98, dies 2 weeks after getting a tetanus shot after impaling his hand on a rusty nail. Cause of death: old age and lung cancer.

Anti-vaxxers: Man dies after getting vaccine!
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Old 11th July 2021, 05:34 PM   #88
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Originally Posted by Foster Zygote View Post
Beat me to it.

I was going to say that it reminded me of the paranoid evangelical hysterics about how the atheistic, Satanic, Commie Nazis were soon to round up all the Christians and send them to concentration camps. That was around forty years ago.
It reminds me of how the Confederate rebellion was sold to Southern Americans. It was argued that if slaves were freed that former slaves would mount an insurrection, rise up and kill their former owners and other whites.

I'm an atheist. I think all religions are total BS. Snake oil for the rubes. And in all that time I have never ever thought religions should be made illegal. I might tell you that Christianity is crap. Just as I think homeopathy, Scientology and Mormonism is crap. But if you choose to eat a **** sandwich, that is your choice and always should be.
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Originally Posted by acbytesla View Post
It reminds me of how the Confederate rebellion was sold to Southern Americans. It was argued that if slaves were freed that former slaves would mount an insurrection, rise up and kill their former owners and other whites.

I'm an atheist. I think all religions are total BS. Snake oil for the rubes. And in all that time I have never ever thought religions should be made illegal. I might tell you that Christianity is crap. Just as I think homeopathy, Scientology and Mormonism is crap. But if you choose to eat a **** sandwich, that is your choice and always should be.
That's my belief, too. If someone wants to belief in a Sky Daddy, they are welcome to it. Just don't try to impose it on me or anyone else.
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I've seen this before:


So I went to the VAERS site and looked at the "deaths reported". Not ONE of them, according to the death certificates, was due to getting a vaccine; they all died from other causes but just happened to have had a vaccine recently. They were totally unrelated.

Man with end stage terminal cancer, age 98, dies 2 weeks after getting a tetanus shot after impaling his hand on a rusty nail. Cause of death: old age and lung cancer.

Anti-vaxxers: Man dies after getting vaccine!
Isn't it amazing how that works?

I do believe that it is likely possible that someone could have a severe reaction to the vaccine and die as a result. But the evidence that the vaccine is more dangerous than COVID for the vast majority is nonsense.
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Isn't it amazing how that works?

I do believe that it is likely possible that someone could have a severe reaction to the vaccine and die as a result. But the evidence that the vaccine is more dangerous than COVID for the vast majority is nonsense.
Absolutely. But that is due a person's own immune system and not the vaccine.
I can't eat shrimp or I break out in horrible, itching hives and my face swells up like a balloon for several hours. But I don't blame the shrimp and declare it a danger to the rest of society.
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What's really delicious is that last year the reactionaries claimed everyone dying with COVID was attributed to COVID.

Now they leap at any death by a person who had the vaccine as being because of the vaccine.

They are doing exactly what they objected to (but were wrong about).
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Your exposure may be limited, but you are still exposed. As ACbytesla said, you can just walk into most pharmacies and get it right away. "I'll get around to it sometime" could be the worst mistake you ever make. And the last.
Walk into pharmacies with the sick people! are you mad!

Until my exposure gets above an effective zero, it's really not a concern. I'm more likely to get into a car crash going to the pharmacy than catch Covid. So until I get actual notice that I have to go into the office, or travel, I'm probably not going to take small risks to defeat an even smaller risk.

Last time I trusted the government to give me a shot to protect me from something, was 1990? Forgot what it was, but it was a "bad batch" and the side effects sucked. Gulf war 1 pre deployment shots. So got a bit of a trust issue.

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Walk into pharmacies with the sick people! are you mad!

Until my exposure gets above an effective zero, it's really not a concern. I'm more likely to get into a car crash going to the pharmacy than catch Covid. So until I get actual notice that I have to go into the office, or travel, I'm probably not going to take small risks to defeat an even smaller risk.

Last time I trusted the government to give me a shot to protect me from something, was 1990? Forgot what it was, but it was a "bad batch" and the side effects sucked. Gulf war 1 pre deployment shots. So got a bit of a trust issue.
"And the rest of the people I come in contact with can take a running jump!" The right wing mantra - look out for number one.
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Walk into pharmacies with the sick people! are you mad!

Until my exposure gets above an effective zero, it's really not a concern. I'm more likely to get into a car crash going to the pharmacy than catch Covid. So until I get actual notice that I have to go into the office, or travel, I'm probably not going to take small risks to defeat an even smaller risk.

Last time I trusted the government to give me a shot to protect me from something, was 1990? Forgot what it was, but it was a "bad batch" and the side effects sucked. Gulf war 1 pre deployment shots. So got a bit of a trust issue.
Are you joking? Is there is no one in your life at all? If that is the case, I'm sorry.

You should keep in mind, that the vaccine is two injections TWENTY DAYS apart. If your work wants you to start going to the office next month they probably will have expected you to have received your vaccine by now.
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"And the rest of the people I come in contact with can take a running jump!" The right wing mantra - look out for number one and **** everyone else.
FTFY..
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Last time I trusted the government to give me a shot to protect me from something, was 1990? Forgot what it was, but it was a "bad batch" and the side effects sucked. Gulf war 1 pre deployment shots. So got a bit of a trust issue.
Similar case only Viet Nam
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Last time I trusted the government to give me a shot to protect me from something, was 1990? Forgot what it was, but it was a "bad batch" and the side effects sucked. Gulf war 1 pre deployment shots. So got a bit of a trust issue.
Fair enough, but over 300 million Americans have been vaccinated with no ill effects. But 600,000 have died of covid. The danger is real.
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Walk into pharmacies with the sick people! are you mad!

Until my exposure gets above an effective zero, it's really not a concern. I'm more likely to get into a car crash going to the pharmacy than catch Covid. So until I get actual notice that I have to go into the office, or travel, I'm probably not going to take small risks to defeat an even smaller risk.

Last time I trusted the government to give me a shot to protect me from something, was 1990? Forgot what it was, but it was a "bad batch" and the side effects sucked. Gulf war 1 pre deployment shots. So got a bit of a trust issue.
That is your personal choice, and I endorse people having a choice in this matter. In fact, I pretty much demand it.

Me, I just got my first dose. That was also my choice.
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I say if your healty enough your emune system will protect you.
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I say if your healty enough your emune system will protect you.
And if you're not? You just die?
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And if you're not? You just die?
Maybe, but who cares? You makes the choice, you takes the chances.
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Maybe, but who cares? You makes the choice, you takes the chances.
They make the choice to have a bad immune system?
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Maybe, but who cares? You makes the choice, you takes the chances.
Except that refusing immunisation puts other people at risk too.

I'm all for the personal freedom to do what you want to yourself, but vaccines don't just affect you, they affect everyone.
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It's like saying "I'm not saying other people in the inflatable life raft have to take off their baseball cleats, I'm just saying it's my right to not too..."
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It's like saying "I'm not saying other people in the inflatable life raft have to take off their baseball cleats, I'm just saying it's my right to not too..."
I agree, and if you decide to have the vacine then supposedly you have nothing to fear from us that don't.
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I agree, and if you decide to have the vacine then supposedly you have nothing to fear from us that don't.
That's not how vaccines work.
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That's not how vaccines work.
Then why get it if it is not going to protect you?
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I didn't say it wasn't going to protect me. The point of a vaccination programme is to get the vast majority of the population vaccinated. Do you know why?
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Then why get it if it is not going to protect you?
If you don't know why this is a bad question, you're not worth the time and effort it would take to explain it to you.
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Are you joking? Is there is no one in your life at all? If that is the case, I'm sorry.

You should keep in mind, that the vaccine is two injections TWENTY DAYS apart. If your work wants you to start going to the office next month they probably will have expected you to have received your vaccine by now.
I live alone with my dog. I'm fine and don't need, or even want, your pity.

The current guidance is next fiscal year. So October. They will not require vaccines, but I'm looking at getting it done in September if the tea leaves don't change. There is some thought that we also might get telework made permanent. Current telework agreement is going into the office 1 day a week, so 0 days wouldn't be that much of a difference.
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I live alone with my dog. I'm fine and don't need, or even want, your pity.

The current guidance is next fiscal year. So October. They will not require vaccines, but I'm looking at getting it done in September if the tea leaves don't change. There is some thought that we also might get telework made permanent. Current telework agreement is going into the office 1 day a week, so 0 days wouldn't be that much of a difference.
Why? Why trust vaccines in September more than now?
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It's like saying "I'm not saying other people in the inflatable life raft have to take off their baseball cleats, I'm just saying it's my right to not too..."
I'm not getting into that raft. I'm in my own boat, not taking on water, or other passengers. My shoe choice has zero impact on anyone else.
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Old 12th July 2021, 11:33 AM   #114
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Originally Posted by Leftus View Post
I'm not getting into that raft. I'm in my own boat, not taking on water, or other passengers. My shoe choice has zero impact on anyone else.
The raft is everyone. You can't get out of the raft. I'm not buying that you either can or will really stay hermetically sealed in your house with zero human contact until this whole thing blows over, if ever. You are aware that it might, in a very real sense, never actually go away right?
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I say if your healty enough your emune system will protect you.
Nope.
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I'm not getting into that raft. I'm in my own boat, not taking on water, or other passengers. My shoe choice has zero impact on anyone else.
Nope.
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I didn't say it wasn't going to protect me. The point of a vaccination programme is to get the vast majority of the population vaccinated. Do you know why?
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Old 12th July 2021, 11:48 AM   #118
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Originally Posted by COLONEL View Post
Then why get it if it is not going to protect you?
Your question is a good question.

It is important to understand that viruses reproduce and go through generations in seconds not years like animal life. Each generation is not necessarily a perfect replication but is an evolution of the previous generation. Those evolutions can make the virus more transmissible or less, more benign or more deadly than the previous generations. As I understand it the mRNA vaccine is powerful and seems to offer protection to multiple variants of the COVID virus but our understanding of this is not complete. So let's say COVID evolves within the unvaccinated population to a deadly more transmissible variant like the Delta variant. But the vaccine is ineffective against that variant. By not getting the vaccination, you may possibly be inviting that to happen

Here's a more complete but by no means a comprehensive article about this.

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Two simple facts contribute to this answer. First: Vaccines aren’t 100 percent effective. So even some people who are vaccinated will still be at risk. Second: The greater the number of unvaccinated people in a community, the more opportunity germs have to spread. This means outbreaks are more difficult to stem and everyone is at greater risk of exposure — including vaccinated people.
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But virology is a difficult subject to understand. Here are list of concepts that demonstrate the complexity of the subject.
  • Many viruses target specific hosts or tissues. Some may have more than one host.
  • Many viruses follow several stages to infect host cells. These stages include attachment, penetration, uncoating, biosynthesis, maturation, and release.
  • Bacteriophages have a lytic or lysogenic cycle. The lytic cycle leads to the death of the host, whereas the lysogenic cycle leads to integration of phage into the host genome.
  • Bacteriophages inject DNA into the host cell, whereas animal viruses enter by endocytosis or membrane fusion.
  • Animal viruses can undergo latency, similar to lysogeny for a bacteriophage.
  • The majority of plant viruses are positive-strand ssRNA and can undergo latency, chronic, or lytic infection, as observed for animal viruses.
  • The growth curve of bacteriophage populations is a one-step multiplication curve and not a sigmoidal curve, as compared to the bacterial growth curve.
  • Bacteriophages transfer genetic information between hosts using either generalized or specialized transduction.
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
Maybe, but who cares? You makes the choice, you takes the chances.
IU see the idea you can spread a virus to other people has not occured to you.
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I should take the medical opinion of somebody who cannot even spell "immune" correctly seriously.
Sad to see a couple people here who are genrally on the political left buy into the Antivaxer crap. And that is just what it is:Crap.
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