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Old 29th August 2021, 09:59 PM   #161
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
You forget: anything outside the US is superfluous and meaningless. USA! USA! USA! USA!

In the context of this thread, and regarding the question posed, you are correct.
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Old 29th August 2021, 10:02 PM   #162
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
In the context of this thread, and the question posed, you are correct.
No, it's not because there are Americans who vote that live outside the US as is their right as US citizens. Your dismissing them is both illogical and irrational. Par for the course.
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Old 29th August 2021, 10:03 PM   #163
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No, it's not because there are Americans who vote that live outside the US as is their right as US citizens. Your dismissing them is both illogical and irrational. Par for the course.
I'm sure that everyone commenting from abroad here, is certainly a registered Democrat.
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Old 29th August 2021, 10:06 PM   #164
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
For someone who was whining that I wouldn't answer his question (which I did and linked to), Warp has still failed to answer mine.
I'm still waiting for a direct answer, where you don't tap dance and juggle.
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Old 29th August 2021, 10:10 PM   #165
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
I'm still waiting for a direct answer, where you don't tap dance and juggle.
I gave you an answer. If you don't like it, that's not my problem. Why don't you answer mine just once?
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Old 29th August 2021, 10:20 PM   #166
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
I gave you an answer. If you don't like it, that's not my problem. Why don't you answer mine just once?
Because this thread isn't about you and any superfluous questions you might construct. You have yet to answer the question posed in the OP, to my satisfaction.
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Old 29th August 2021, 10:41 PM   #167
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
I'm sure that everyone commenting from abroad here, is certainly a registered Democrat.
You moved the goalpost. Your original question asked:
"My question is, as a Democrat, what do you think of the trade off? Which would you choose, the current Covid death toll (and a Dem in charge), or a country without the virus, and Trump still ruling?"

You didn't stipulate they had to LIVE in the US.

You also said:

"If you are living abroad, I lump you into the "International" contingent. Like it, or not. Because, it seems unlikely that you would be voting Democrat here, while taking up residency in a foreign country. Although, it wouldn't surprise me...these are Democrats, after all."

Apparently you don't realize that US citizens legally can, and do, vote, while living abroad. In fact, ex-pat voting hit a record high in 2020. But why let facts get in the way of what you think?

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Old 29th August 2021, 10:45 PM   #168
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
Because this thread isn't about you and any superfluous questions you might construct. You have yet to answer the question posed in the OP, to my satisfaction.
Oh, I see. It has to be to your 'satisfaction'. Talk about tap dance and juggle!



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Oh, I see. It has to be to your 'satisfaction'. Talk about tap dance and juggle!



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Yet another way to avoid answering the simple question.
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Old 29th August 2021, 10:49 PM   #170
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
Apparently you don't realize that US citizens legally can, and do, vote, while living abroad. In fact, ex-pat voting hit a record high in 2020. But why let facts get in the way of what you think?
I bet it did.
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Old 29th August 2021, 11:07 PM   #171
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
Yet another way to avoid answering the simple question.
Sigh. The fact that you have to constantly fall back on this sad, tired line only confirms that ya got nuthin' else. No surprise there. But very boring. I suggest you might find what you're really looking for over on the OAN board or maybe Gettr because you're not going to find it here. Buh-bye!

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Old 29th August 2021, 11:15 PM   #172
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Sigh. The fact that you have to constantly fall back on this sad, tired line only confirms that ya got nuthin' else. No surprise there. But very boring. I suggest you might find what you're really looking for over on the OAN board or maybe Gettr because you're not going to find it here. Buh-bye!

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...c74b2a9838.jpg
I'm not quite sure what you are babbling about. But I am glad to see you skulk off. And, not surprisingly, you still didn't answer the question at hand.
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Old 29th August 2021, 11:23 PM   #173
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I'm not quite sure what you are babbling about. But I am glad to see you skulk off. And, not surprisingly, you still didn't answer the question at hand.
Problems with reading comprehension? That is not a cross others should be bearing for you.
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Old 29th August 2021, 11:25 PM   #174
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Problems with reading comprehension? That is not a cross others should be bearing for you.
Are you a registered voting Democrat who can answer the question posed, or are you just here to add some quips?
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I admire the couple of posters with the sack to admit that they hate Trump so much that they would sooner see 600k dead, than have him in office again.

The true number of those with such an opinion will never be known, even in this forum, or thread.
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Old 30th August 2021, 12:31 AM   #176
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Hating Trump or someone like Modi is a perfectly valid political stance. We don't need "a sack" to admit that.
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Old 30th August 2021, 12:32 AM   #177
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Originally Posted by Susheel View Post
Hating Trump or someone like Modi is a perfectly valid political stance. We don't need "a sack" to admit that.
Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
My question is, as a Democrat, what do you think of the trade off? Which would you choose, the current Covid death toll (and a Dem in charge), or a country without the virus, and Trump still ruling?
Can you answer the question posed, as a registered Democrat? If not, why are you here?
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Old 30th August 2021, 01:27 AM   #178
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Luckily, we already know the answer from the inverse question:
Trump did absolutely let hundreds of thousands die in order to boost his re-election chances.
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Can you answer the question posed, as a registered Democrat? If not, why are you here?
As a person with no skin in the game on this one, the question is improperly formed, so cannot be validly answered. It's both a false dichotomy and presupposes conditions that are not in evidence.
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As a person with no skin in the game on this one, the question is improperly formed, so cannot be validly answered. It's both a false dichotomy and presupposes conditions that are not in evidence.
Can we thus "cut to the chase"? So, what is your answer?
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Old 30th August 2021, 01:38 AM   #181
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Can we thus "cut to the chase"? So, what is your answer?
Not a registered Democrat, so why do you ask?
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
Not a registered Democrat, so why do you ask?
Is that true? A simple declaration of such does invalidate the opinion, certainly.
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
Is that true? A simple declaration of such does invalidate the opinion, certainly.
You question is just as valid as "When did you stop beating your wife?"
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Is that true? A simple declaration of such does invalidate the opinion, certainly.
why would it?

Plenty of Republicans hate Trump, and plenty of Dems are ambivalent about him.
Why are certain opinions only valid if you have a certain party affiliation?
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
why would it?

Plenty of Republicans hate Trump, and plenty of Dems are ambivalent about him.
Why are certain opinions only valid if you have a certain party affiliation?
Because of the constraints of the question that I posed.
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Old 30th August 2021, 03:28 AM   #186
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Because of the constraints of the question that I posed.
A lot of otherwise rational people do seem to have a blind spot in that regard.

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/s9hT...e-hypothetical
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Because of the constraints of the question that I posed.
Not all Dems voted for Biden, and not all Republicans voted for Trump.
So by your own standards, your question is meaningless.
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Originally Posted by sphenisc View Post
A lot of otherwise rational people do seem to have a blind spot in that regard.

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/s9hT...e-hypothetical
I don’t think the initial post is expressed as a hypothetical.
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I don’t think the initial post is expressed as a hypothetical.
How could the question posed not be as such?
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Old 30th August 2021, 04:34 AM   #190
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I don’t think the initial post is expressed as a hypothetical.
Do you think you have the actual power to choose 'a country without the virus, and Trump still ruling' ?

Don't you think there is an implied "In a hypothetical scenario where you have the power to alter time-lines, would you..."
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Ok, here's a good one: would you rather be ruled by Joe Biden, or have voted for Trump and then have to go to message boards online and invent fictitious scenarios where theoretically had Trump been a good president maybe you could find others to agree that they too would have voted for that idiot to justify your poor choice in candidates?
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I believe that Trump was well on his way to a second term, prior to Covid. That seemed to be the way the wind was blowing, despite 3 years of witch-hunting by butt-hurt Dems. The gamechanger was Covid, which openly exposed Trump as the idiot that he is.
So Trump is an idiot, but people opposed to his presidency are "butt-hurt".

How does one object to an amoral moron in the executive office without being labeled with some political buzzword meant to demean differing viewpoints without addressing them while signaling group identity to like-minded persons? I mean, while neither Republican nor Democrat, I'd like to be able to state my loathing for Trump without also having to be labeled a social justice warrior, or being accused of virtue signalling, and without mention of liberal tears or fixations on my anus.
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Do you think you have the actual power to choose 'a country without the virus, and Trump still ruling' ?

Don't you think there is an implied "In a hypothetical scenario where you have the power to alter time-lines, would you..."
Don’t laugh, but I read it a a statement of belief that by having Trump still ruling there would have been no Corona deaths…. In my defence, I’ve recently have been in discussion with a sovereign citizen with a dash of 5G paranoia, so this interpretation didn’t seem at all odd.
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Don’t laugh, but I read it a a statement of belief that by having Trump still ruling there would have been no Corona deaths…. In my defence, I’ve recently have been in discussion with a sovereign citizen with a dash of 5G paranoia, so this interpretation didn’t seem at all odd.
No worries.




(I only laughed a little bit.)
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Two disturbing scenarios to contemplate...

1. Meanies on a discussion forum take your asinine bait concerning an absurd, alternate reality scenario.

2. The gross negligence of a sociopathic wannabe fascist who caused lots of people to die.

Which of these concepts should I allocate my time to? I must ponder this conundrum further.
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Two disturbing scenarios to contemplate...

1. Meanies on a discussion forum take your asinine bait concerning an absurd, alternate reality scenario.

2. The gross negligence of a sociopathic wannabe fascist who caused lots of people to die.

Which of these concepts should I allocate my time to? I must ponder this conundrum further.
Couldn't we just strangle baby Hitler instead?
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Right now, anyone who does not kiss Trump's rump ring is probably not just liberal or lefties, but a commie. I always have to suppress a laugh when people refer to Democrats as liberals or leftists.
That's what kills me. To many other countries, our "pinko-commie ultra-left" is actually right of center.
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So, given the choice...our current administration with Covid, or Trump without, which would you choose? I have a feeling that a lot of Democrats would rather see Trump out of office, given that choice. and are quite happy about their Covid windfall.
At this time, I care less about covid than I fear civil war - not that the two can be fully separated either, as the virus and its effects are a massive part of what's destabilizing society. (But the windfall you speak of is almost 100% self-imposed by Trump supporting anti-vax people, so I don't know why your model assumes that Trump being in power would stop the covid problems either. He even told them to get the vax, and they said he was a clone or had been paid off by the Deep State.) When pondering your hypothetical, I can't decide if the crazy seditionist-types are more likely to start a war with Trump in power or without. I want an administration that settles them down se we can all go back to our lives. Climate change really is going to kill us soon (or kill our way of life, anyway), and I'd really just like a few more years to experience some good. I'm getting worried I will not have that chance.

I also disagree with your last sentence, but it kind of serves to illustrate why politics are so useless. People treat them like sports teams. Voters should vote on policy, period. Not individuals. That will never happen, though, so I'm just building my bunker.

Aren't you glad you asked?
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Originally Posted by thaiboxerken View Post
Wow. You really have some dumb views on how reality works.
I had drafted a post talking about how I actually voted for George W Bush while living abroad, as well as receiving my Bush stimulus check (!) to my overseas address, etc. etc. etc.

But your response is more concise and captures my thoughts pretty well.
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
How could the question posed not be as such?
I could be posed not at all, but alternative facts do seem to have a "conservative" bias.
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