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Old 3rd September 2021, 01:06 PM   #1
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"return service requested" on mail ballots?

California has sent mail ballots to all registered voters for this recall election. They are printed "return service requested". That means the postman is supposed to send them back if the addressee is not at that address.

How did the Dems in power let this form of Voter ID get past them?

I wonder if we will ever hear about the returned ballots? Which party has the most spurious voters? Will they remove the names from the registry? or will anybody check returned ballots against actual in person voters, look for spurious registrations? 🤔
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Old 3rd September 2021, 01:07 PM   #2
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What?
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Old 3rd September 2021, 01:09 PM   #3
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
What?
I second that "What?"
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This might help:

https://findanyanswer.com/what-does-...vice-requested

No big deal. Most official mail and most bills I get have Return service requested on it.
THE OP has never gotten Mail with his on it before?????

But trust a right winger to take a standard USPS term and turn it into some evil liberal conspiracy.

Basically it replaced the old "Return to Sender" but pretty much means the same thing.
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Old 3rd September 2021, 01:20 PM   #5
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
But trust a right winger to take a standard USPS term and turn it into some evil liberal conspiracy.
What are you talking about? I'm pretty sure casebro isn't a right winger. And he's clearly saying this is an evil right wing conspiracy that the liberals in California failed to stop. I don't really see the "voter ID" angle though.
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Old 3rd September 2021, 01:52 PM   #6
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
What are you talking about? I'm pretty sure casebro isn't a right winger. And he's clearly saying this is an evil right wing conspiracy that the liberals in California failed to stop. I don't really see the "voter ID" angle though.
It amounts to verification of the voter's registered address. Hence Voter ID.

My question is, will they actually use it as such? Will they EVER prune the roles of bad registrations?
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Old 3rd September 2021, 02:00 PM   #7
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
What are you talking about? I'm pretty sure casebro isn't a right winger......
Like everybody else, I don't buy into all the planks of any party. I am a Capitalist/Meritocracist, and I believe in property rights and in the right to self defense. So, GOP has my planks. So to some I am Racist, Nazi, Trumpist, ass hat. But in the election in the op, I voted for Elder.(NOT 'cause I am old )
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Old 3rd September 2021, 02:17 PM   #8
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Originally Posted by casebro View Post
Like everybody else, I don't buy into all the planks of any party. I am a Capitalist/Meritocracist, and I believe in property rights and in the right to self defense. So, GOP has my planks. So to some I am Racist, Nazi, Trumpist, ass hat. But in the election in the op, I voted for Elder.(NOT 'cause I am old )
What do you mean "but" you voted for Elder? He's not exactly the opposite of right wing.

Larry "Shes Too Ugly To Sexually Harass" Elder.

https://ktla.com/news/local-news/lar...sment-comment/
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If youd seen her, youd know that the picture [of her] would be a complete defense, Im just saying, Elder said during the 2011 show.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/31/polit...ren/index.html
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Larry Elder, the leading GOP candidate vying to replace California Gov. Gavin Newsom, said he doesn't think it's necessary for young people to get vaccinated against Covid-19 or for children to wear masks at school, and he vowed to repeal any mask or vaccine mandates for California's state workers if he is elected to replace the Democratic governor in the September 14 special election.

No thanks.
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Old 3rd September 2021, 02:40 PM   #9
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Originally Posted by casebro View Post
It amounts to verification of the voter's registered address. Hence Voter ID.

My question is, will they actually use it as such? Will they EVER prune the roles of bad registrations?
This sort of voter verification is part of the reason voter ID seems unnecessary. Because there are other ways of verifying who is who for voting purposes, and requiring ID just adds an unneeded layer on top of that.

You might be conflating voter verification with voter ID. They're not the same. Related, but not the same.
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Old 3rd September 2021, 03:03 PM   #10
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Originally Posted by casebro View Post
California has sent mail ballots to all registered voters for this recall election. They are printed "return service requested". That means the postman is supposed to send them back if the addressee is not at that address.

How did the Dems in power let this form of Voter ID get past them?

I wonder if we will ever hear about the returned ballots? Which party has the most spurious voters? Will they remove the names from the registry? or will anybody check returned ballots against actual in person voters, look for spurious registrations? 🤔
What do you think this means? It does not mean that there are "spurious registrations" or fraudulent voters. It just means that the mail piece will be returned to the sender if the addressee is no longer at that address, even if a forwarding address is on file. Do you think some people might move in the two years between elections without remembering to update their registrations, and that ballots shouldn't be forwarded to them in other jurisdictions? What do you think is the issue here?
https://pe.usps.com/text/qsg300/Q507.htm
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
What are you talking about? I'm pretty sure casebro isn't a right winger. And he's clearly saying this is an evil right wing conspiracy that the liberals in California failed to stop. I don't really see the "voter ID" angle though.
Right. Because 'lefties' vote for Larry Elder.

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What do you think this means? It does not mean that there are "spurious registrations" or fraudulent voters. It just means that the mail piece will be returned to the sender if the addressee is no longer at that address, even if a forwarding address is on file. Do you think some people might move in the two years between elections without remembering to update their registrations, and that ballots shouldn't be forwarded to them in other jurisdictions? What do you think is the issue here?
https://pe.usps.com/text/qsg300/Q507.htm
Yes, it means they are no longer legitimately registered.

The issue is whether the registrars of voters will do anything with the info.
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It amounts to verification of the voter's registered address. Hence Voter ID.

My question is, will they actually use it as such? Will they EVER prune the roles of bad registrations?
Have you never voted?

In case you didn't notice, that is why people register to vote. It's also how the system works and how it has always worked.

The idiots pusing for voter ID ignore this step in voting as if people can just show up and vote. No, you show up, review/confirm your registration then vote.
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This sort of voter verification is part of the reason voter ID seems [is] unnecessary. Because there are other ways of verifying who is who for voting purposes, and requiring ID just adds an unneeded layer on top of that.

You might be conflating voter verification with voter ID. They're not the same. Related, but not the same.
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I don't think post persons are useful as ID or address verifiers. I get mail addressed to several different names, some of which don't exist and never did. But I imagine if you asked my mail delivery person, they would not know that. It's not their job to verify the occupants of an address, and there's no penalty if they goof.
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I don't think post persons are useful as ID or address verifiers. I get mail addressed to several different names, some of which don't exist and never did. But I imagine if you asked my mail delivery person, they would not know that. It's not their job to verify the occupants of an address, and there's no penalty if they goof.
The idea is the person who now occupies the address returns the mail writing forward on it and the post office returns it rather than forwarding it. You know, like the vast majority of us do when we get mail addressed to a past or wrong occupant.

Honest you guys, what is the problem? The system works, has worked for decades and decades. This is a ginned up voter fraud claim and people should use their heads before sucking the big lie up.

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It amounts to verification of the voter's registered address.
Nope, it verifies that and address is NOT the voter's address.

I suppose you could argue that it verifies the voter's address as being one of the other 161.4 million deliverable addresses in the US
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Originally Posted by Sherman Bay View Post
I don't think post persons are useful as ID or address verifiers. I get mail addressed to several different names, some of which don't exist and never did. But I imagine if you asked my mail delivery person, they would not know that. It's not their job to verify the occupants of an address, and there's no penalty if they goof.

Someone with the same name as me lives in the city that contains the company where I work. Once in a while, mail addressed to this guy's home gets sent to my work. Whoever sorts the mail sees the name, apparently thinks "Oh yeah, mail for John Doe goes to Company X" and tosses it into our mail without looking at the actual address.
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Someone with the same name as me lives in the city that contains the company where I work. Once in a while, mail addressed to this guy's home gets sent to my work. Whoever sorts the mail sees the name, apparently thinks "Oh yeah, mail for John Doe goes to Company X" and tosses it into our mail without looking at the actual address.
In this day & age of automated sorting, I find it amazing how much hand work is a factor to the mail delivery. Normally, that's a good thing.
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