Republican Lessons from the 2022 mid-terms - Page 2

johnny karate · 10th November 2022, 07:24 PM

Originally Posted by tyr_13

And all that with the House gerrymandered to an insane degree in favor of the GOP.

And a 24-hour RNC propaganda network beamed into millions of homes courtesy of Fox News.

Republicans have so many advantages that tip the scales in their favor, they should be ashamed to lose any election outside of California. That they do, and often spectacularly, is a testament to how incredibly hard they suck ass.

Segnosaur · 10th November 2022, 07:43 PM

Originally Posted by johnny karate

Quote:

And all that with the House gerrymandered to an insane degree in favor of the GOP.

And a 24-hour RNC propaganda network beamed into millions of homes courtesy of Fox News.

Republicans have so many advantages that tip the scales in their favor, they should be ashamed to lose any election outside of California. That they do, and often spectacularly, is a testament to how incredibly hard they suck ass.

And don't forget:

- Voter suppression tactics

- The republicans tend to draw their support from counties/states that have more cows than people. Thus they often get more power from fewer voters actually voting for them.

Delvo · 10th November 2022, 08:09 PM

All but the last real option in the poll, and of course also the garbage fake option at the end that never has any reason to be there, are more characteristic of the Republicans who did most of the losing, not so much the Republicans who did the winning. So the actual lessons for the party to learn if it wants to win are the opposite of the choices we're given here.

I make an exception for the one about fear because that's not a distinction between the two factions of the Republican party; it's something they have in common. Even if all the insanity of the last several years had never happened, the party would still be what it already was before, and fear has been behind a lot of it for a long time.

Susheel · 11th November 2022, 12:25 AM

Watched a CNN (?) panerl yesterday in which a Republican congressman and erstwhile Trump supporter and current "Paul on the road to Damascus," was saying Trump destroyed the Republican midterm chances, however Georgia can be saved if they could get DeSantis to come in and campaign for Walker for Decx 6.
So the Planet X option is definitely off the table...

Gulliver Foyle · 11th November 2022, 02:49 AM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

Republicans are in, what I've called in the past, the Radio Shack Going Out Of Business Paradox.

It's 2010. Give me a solid reason that Radio Shack will fail as a business on a timeline that you could honestly call "soon." Easy right?

Okay it's 2010. Give me a solid reason that Radio Shack will fail as a business on a timeline that you could honestly call "soon".... that isn't exactly and equally true and valid as it would have been in 2005 or 2000 or 1995?

That second question is a LOT harder to answer. Radio Shack had every valid reason to go out of business WAY before it actually went out of business.

And that's sort of where we are at with the GOP. There are thousand good, solid, accurate, true, perfectly reasonable reasons why Republican politics are not long term sustainable. The problem is all these reasons have been good, solid, accurate, true, perfectly reasonable reasons have been there since... arguably Reagan, certainly for a couple of decades at least.

So yeah I buy all the arguments as to why the Republicans are eventually going to just if nothing else collapse as, but I don't know how much I buy any argument about it happening "soon" as opposed to 20 years ago or 20 years from now.

Like Radio Shack in the past with Republicans now there is an X factor in there somewhere keeping them alive that is countering all the valid reasons why they should already be on the way out. It might be some strong foundational factor we've overlooked or a house of cards that's gonna blow down at the first breeze or something in between, but there's something.

Long story short that's why I don't like when "The Republicans are going to fail" is treated as both the solution to the problem and as some sort of inevitability that's going to happen on a timeframe worth counting on. Yes it's true that they are doomed to fail; everything from the changing demographics of the country to the simple march of time proves that they are life support to a large degree and outside of consolidating their power to the point of Fascism (i.e. what they are openly trying to do now) they have no long term future, but I think disagree with a lot of people on how long they can drag it out before they win or go away entirely.

I'd say that support for the republicans will be like support for the nazis during WW2. Support will remain high until the bitter end, when reality will come crashing in and make it impossible for people to ignore that their fantasy world has no relation to reality. It really wasn't until late 1944 that the nazis powerbase started shrinking.

Gulliver Foyle · 11th November 2022, 02:51 AM

Originally Posted by Brainster

Do you think history will damn them for opposing transwomen competing in women's sports?

Either history will or humanity won't survive the next fifty years. Fearmongering about manufactured controversies always dies in the end.

Craig4 · 11th November 2022, 05:34 AM

To quote the famous swordsman and philosopher Inigo Montoya, "There's not a lot of money in the revenge business". What does Donald Trump's revenge do for me? The Republicans failed to make a case for how they'd fix inflation or do anything else but try to adjudicate the last election all over again.

JoeMorgue · 11th November 2022, 06:12 AM

The stock market also surged on the midterm results.

Maybe there's not as much money in owning the libs as people thought either.

shemp · 11th November 2022, 07:11 AM

Quote:

Republican operative Nick Fuentes reacts to GOP failures in the midterm elections: “We need a dictatorship. We need to take control of the government and force the people to believe what we believe.” (from @RightWingWatch)

https://twitter.com/NoLieWithBTC/sta...71129681342464

Bonus: The (((MEDIA))) are to blame.

JoeMorgue · 11th November 2022, 07:13 AM

Well that's a fine "Say the quiet part out loud."

I think the narrative they are going to try to go with is young, naïve voters ruined everything.

lobosrul5 · 11th November 2022, 07:18 AM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

The stock market also surged on the midterm results.

Maybe there's not as much money in owning the libs as people thought either.

No, us markets went down following the election... Then screamed up on better than expected inflation numbers.

shemp · 11th November 2022, 07:22 AM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

Well that's a fine "Say the quiet part out loud."

I think the narrative they are going to try to go with is young, naïve voters ruined everything.

You're late to the party, it's already started.

Some Republicans Want to Raise Voting Age After Gen Z Midterm Turnout

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“This new generation is totally brainwashed,” a Fox News commentator complained.

As Gen Z headed to the polls this week, conservative commentators had a message for young voters: please stop.

Tuesday’s midterm election saw Gen Z come out strong for Democrats, including for their generation’s first U.S. representative: Maxwell Frost, a 25-year-old Democrat from Florida. The young blue bloc left Fox News personalities dismayed, with other conservative voices suggesting that the minimum voting age be raised from 18 (currently enshrined in the Constitution) to 21 or 28.

“The fact that these youth voters are coming in so strong in an off-year is very concerning,” Fox News commentator Jesse Watters lamented on Wednesday night. “It looks like they’ve been brainwashed. This new generation is totally brainwashed ‘cause a lot of these single women [who] vote 37 spreads for Democrats, are teaching all of our younger generation in these schools and they’re polluting their minds and then they grow up and they’re in their twenties and then they vote for leftists.”

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Other conservative voices were less rosy on winning the youth vote. In a now-viral series of tweets, anti-Muslim activist Brigitte Gabriel suggested barring America’s youngest voters from the polls.

“Raise the voting age to 21,” Gabriel tweeted, immediately after noting that “We were promised a red wave and we got a red puddle.”

She went on to tweet that “Generation Z thinks doing drugs in the street should be legal. Generation Z also thinks speech that offends them should be illegal.”

JoeMorgue · 11th November 2022, 07:45 AM

Well I mean hasn't that always been the dream?

Democrats have been pinning their hopes on a sudden surge in youth voters for years now.

If they can stalemate a midterm that was supposed to be a Red Wave they might (MIGHT, I said MIGHT) crush a regular cycle election.

Donal · 11th November 2022, 08:20 AM

So one party actually passes policies to appeal to young voters and defies history. The other party will obviously re-evaluate its platform to appeal to young voters better.

Wait, no. They want to change laws or the Constitution to exclude those voters.

Lurch · 11th November 2022, 08:36 AM

Originally Posted by Brainster

This is silly. For starters, let's remember that the Republicans are almost certainly going to have control of the House. So while it was doubtless a disappointing night from their standpoint, it's not like they lost; they just didn't cover the spread.

Second, there is always going to be a party of let's change things and a party of let's keep things the way they are. As I put it years ago, the Democrats are the gas pedal and the Republicans are the brakes. Without the gas pedal you'll never get anywhere, and without the brakes you'll quickly drive off a cliff.

ETA: As for some real lessons:

1. Candidate quality matters. The GOP lost some winnable seats because they fielded sub-par and non-establishment candidates.
2. Stop focusing on 2020 and Trump.
3. Abortion is no longer a winning issue for them, because they no longer have the passion all on their side as they did during the Roe years.

Repubs are the brakes? More like reverse gear!

JoeMorgue · 11th November 2022, 08:39 AM

Again not lesson but... data point

In the last midterm literally every Republican ad (in my area at least) was straight up a Trump Ad. Literally the only thing the Republican candidate said was "Endorsed by Donald Trump.

This time? I'm not sure Trump's name even came up once. There might have been a throw away reference once or twice, but they certainly didn't bring him up a lot and maybe not at all.

Ironically I'm not sure if I can remember a Democrat ad mentioning Trump either.

Biden didn't get but maybe one or two mentions with Pelosi, by far, being the boogeyman in Republican ads.

johnny karate · 11th November 2022, 08:49 AM

Originally Posted by Lurch

Repubs are the brakes? More like reverse gear!

Reverse gear is a function of a normally operating automobile.

Republicans are more like sugar in the gas tank.

Lurch · 11th November 2022, 08:54 AM

Terror is the ultimate motivator. Followed closely by hate. Now the Rethugs have a shiny new object upon which to direct their base's fear and loathing; the brainwashed youth that are robotically pulling the lever for "D."

Just step up the ol' tried 'n true; fear and hate all the way, baby.

JoeMorgue · 11th November 2022, 08:59 AM

Again the Republicans have already openly admitted they can't win in open and honest elections where everyone gets to vote.

It's why they are scared of DC and Puerto Rican citizenship and early / mail in voting and it is why they are terrified beyond the scope of Lovecraftian deep time horror at the prospect of young people voting and why they love gerrymandering and the EC and voter suppression.

"Scared old people" has always been their "Break Glass in Case of Emergency" response because up until the last few years the pure demographics of things have made that, sadly, a very effective response.

But "Scared old people" can win an election against "Angry young people" as easily anymore.

johnny karate · 11th November 2022, 09:03 AM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

The stock market also surged on the midterm results.

Maybe there's not as much money in owning the libs as people thought either.

I saw some MAGA clown on Twitter claim that the market is surging because people know that the Republicans will win these close elections and take control of Congress.

johnny karate · 11th November 2022, 09:05 AM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

Well that's a fine "Say the quiet part out loud."

I think the narrative they are going to try to go with is young, naïve voters ruined everything.

We need to give these people megaphones and even bigger platforms so their odious, losing message can turn off even more voters.

Trebuchet · 11th November 2022, 10:03 AM

Wow, so much serious discussion in what I thought was an obvious parody thread!

johnny karate · 11th November 2022, 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

Wow, so much serious discussion in what I thought was an obvious parody thread!

It's difficult to separate parody and seriousness when discussing Republicans.

Trebuchet · 11th November 2022, 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by johnny karate

It's difficult to separate parody and seriousness when discussing Republicans.

Kind of a Poe's law situation in fact.

arayder · 11th November 2022, 12:35 PM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

Again not lesson but... data point

In the last midterm literally every Republican ad (in my area at least) was straight up a Trump Ad. Literally the only thing the Republican candidate said was "Endorsed by Donald Trump.

This time? I'm not sure Trump's name even came up once. There might have been a throw away reference once or twice, but they certainly didn't bring him up a lot and maybe not at all.

Ironically I'm not sure if I can remember a Democrat ad mentioning Trump either.

Biden didn't get but maybe one or two mentions with Pelosi, by far, being the boogeyman in Republican ads.

Sometimes things have a way of getting real. So real that Republican conspiracy theories, scare tactics and ultra left "eat the rich" rants don't carry much weight.

My take is that between covid, the economy, January 6, the abortion issue and our proxy war with the Russians the voting public was pretty much forced to focus on real issues.

Politicians who couldn't or wouldn't get down to business paid a price, IMHO.

thaiboxerken · 11th November 2022, 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

Wow, so much serious discussion in what I thought was an obvious parody thread!

Sadly, the "lessons" listed in the poll are what Republicans learn every time they lose elections. They have yet to actually learn that they need to either change positions to something more palatable to the electorate or to convince the electorate that their positions are good positions.

Brainster · 11th November 2022, 01:31 PM

One very important lesson seems to be breaking through; Trump is an anchor on the party. The latest straw was when he poked at Glenn Youngkin:

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"Young Kin (now that’s an interesting take. Sounds Chinese, doesn’t it?) in Virginia couldn’t have won without me," Trump wrote on TruthSocial. "I Endorsed him, did a very big Trump Rally for him telephonically, got MAGA to Vote for him - or he couldn’t have come close to winning.

Let's just say the reactions to this bizarre posting are very encouraging.

Ben Shapiro: WUT DA FUQUE

The writer at Twitchy (conservative site originally founded by Michelle Malkin) pulls no punches:

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It’s a stunning melange of racism, envy, historical revisionism, delusions of grandeur, and all-around insanity. It’s quite a spectacle.

johnny karate · 11th November 2022, 01:34 PM

"Breaking through"... six years later.

Donal · 11th November 2022, 01:40 PM

Didn't Youngkin win because he was able to separate himself from Trump while all the tired old centrist the democrats dug up could run on was "Orange Man Bad"?

And let's not assume Trump is done yet. If he does run, they'll all go sniveling back to him after he makes DeSantis cry on the debate stage.

Galaxie · 11th November 2022, 08:22 PM

Originally Posted by johnny karate

"Breaking through"... six years later.

It's weird seeing conservatives flip on Trump. Since 2015, every criticism has been met with fingers in ears going, "La la la! I can't hear you!". Now all of a sudden it's, "Hey, this guy is only out for himself! He's hurting the party!"

Parsman · 12th November 2022, 07:28 AM

Originally Posted by Brainster

Do you think history will damn them for opposing transwomen competing in women's sports?

I don't think history will care? Ancient Greece is admired for its intellectual rigour, but who apart from a few crazies are worried that they were quite laissez-faire when it came to sexual mores?

Stacyhs · 13th November 2022, 02:54 AM

Originally Posted by Parsman

I don't think history will care? Ancient Greece is admired for its intellectual rigour, but who apart from a few crazies are worried that they were quite laissez-faire when it came to sexual mores?

I'm surprised Republican states aren't banning teaching ancient Greek history

as a sexual relationship between an older man and a male youth was seen as a higher form of love than between a man and a woman.

Crazy Chainsaw · 14th November 2022, 05:12 AM

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

Republicans know exactly what lesson to learn from the midterms, but they are too scared to do it: dump Trump and all his mini-mes.

I Hear Mitch McConnell is even going to change his Name to McCoverup in honor of his Brilliant strategy for 2022, in not holding Trump accountable for the Insurrection.

JoeMorgue · 14th November 2022, 06:33 AM

Ted Cruz finally takes the bold stance that his wife is not ugly and that is respectfully disagrees with Trump's stance that she is.

Segnosaur · 14th November 2022, 06:57 AM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

Ted Cruz finally takes the bold stance that his wife is not ugly and that is respectfully disagrees with Trump's stance that she is.

Notice however he said nothing about links to the Zodiac killer ...

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JoeMorgue · 14th November 2022, 07:05 AM

Ted Cruz is nowhere near smart enough to be a serial killer who's evaded the law this long.

Crossbow · 14th November 2022, 07:17 AM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

Ted Cruz finally takes the bold stance that his wife is not ugly and that is respectfully disagrees with Trump's stance that she is.

Well gee whiz!

It only took about seven years for Cruz to recognize one thing that Trump was obviously wrong about.

Hopefully, it will only take him half as long to make such a basic calculation in the future.

The Great Zaganza · 14th November 2022, 07:18 AM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

Ted Cruz is nowhere near smart enough to be a serial killer who's evaded the law this long.

Sadly, he actually is. By all accounts he is very smart, just an incredibly ****** person.
The saddest thing about the GOP since Gingrich is that they have to hide how smart and well educated they are, because they constantly bash The Elites of which unquestioningly they are a member.

JoeMorgue · 14th November 2022, 07:21 AM

Well yeah up until the last couple of election cycles, where started actually getting genuine home grown rural idiots like Boebart in high office, the Republican Party was a bunch of old money, Ivy League elites cosplaying as ranchers and farmers.

Segnosaur · 14th November 2022, 08:44 AM

Some republicans have been trying to place the blame on Moscow Mitch...

From : Slate
...(Rick) Scott, the Republican campaign chair, reportedly dropped a plan to run against McConnell. But he’s still blaming McConnell for the blown election without specifically naming him.

From: The Hill
...Trump took to his social media site on Sunday to make the case that the midterms were McConnell’s fault.... “He blew the Midterms, and everyone despises him and his otherwise lovely wife, Coco Chow!” Trump said.

Ok, leaving aside the rather blatant racist dog whistle of calling his wife 'coco chow', he's not wrong...

After all, Moscow Mitch could have effectively ended Trump's meddling in either of the impeachments, but chose not to. And so he got stuck with Stubby McBonespurs tainting the midterms with his stench (as he did in the 2020 elections).

But then, one fox news host found the true cause of the Republican's midterm election problems... Single women!

From: Indy100
... unmarried women overwhelmingly voted Democratic, and Fox News host Jesse Watters has a solution to help the GOP pick up those votes. "Get married."... The Fox News host claimed that once women get married, they vote Republican.... Watters implored "guys" to "go put a ring on it" and told women "it's time to fall in love and just settle down" for the sake of the Republican Party.

He then broke out in a rousing version of "Single ladies (Put a ring on it)".

They need to lie more.	9	18.37%
They need to cheat more.	17	34.69%
They need to question democracy more.	8	16.33%
They need to spread more loony conspiracy theories.	10	20.41%
They need to intimidate more voters.	12	24.49%
They need to make it harder to vote.	13	26.53%
They need to spread more fear.	13	26.53%
Only on Planet X would it occur to them to have better candidates.	30	61.22%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 49. You may not vote on this poll

10th November 2022, 07:43 PM	#42
Segnosaur Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 19,640	Originally Posted by johnny karate Quote: And all that with the House gerrymandered to an insane degree in favor of the GOP. And a 24-hour RNC propaganda network beamed into millions of homes courtesy of Fox News. Republicans have so many advantages that tip the scales in their favor, they should be ashamed to lose any election outside of California. That they do, and often spectacularly, is a testament to how incredibly hard they suck ass. And don't forget: - Voter suppression tactics - The republicans tend to draw their support from counties/states that have more cows than people. Thus they often get more power from fewer voters actually voting for them.
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11th November 2022, 12:25 AM	#44
Susheel Illuminator Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Hyderabad, India Posts: 3,085	Watched a CNN (?) panerl yesterday in which a Republican congressman and erstwhile Trump supporter and current "Paul on the road to Damascus," was saying Trump destroyed the Republican midterm chances, however Georgia can be saved if they could get DeSantis to come in and campaign for Walker for Decx 6. So the Planet X option is definitely off the table...
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11th November 2022, 05:34 AM	#47
Craig4 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: I live in a swamp Posts: 26,736	To quote the famous swordsman and philosopher Inigo Montoya, "There's not a lot of money in the revenge business". What does Donald Trump's revenge do for me? The Republicans failed to make a case for how they'd fix inflation or do anything else but try to adjudicate the last election all over again.
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11th November 2022, 06:12 AM	#48
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 42,954	The stock market also surged on the midterm results. Maybe there's not as much money in owning the libs as people thought either.
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10th November 2022, 07:24 PM	#41
johnny karate ... and your little dog too. Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 16,082	Originally Posted by tyr_13 And all that with the House gerrymandered to an insane degree in favor of the GOP. And a 24-hour RNC propaganda network beamed into millions of homes courtesy of Fox News. Republicans have so many advantages that tip the scales in their favor, they should be ashamed to lose any election outside of California. That they do, and often spectacularly, is a testament to how incredibly hard they suck ass.

10th November 2022, 08:09 PM	#43
Delvo Дэлво Δελϝο דֶלְבֹֿ देल्वो Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: North Tonawanda, NY Posts: 10,926	All but the last real option in the poll, and of course also the garbage fake option at the end that never has any reason to be there, are more characteristic of the Republicans who did most of the losing, not so much the Republicans who did the winning. So the actual lessons for the party to learn if it wants to win are the opposite of the choices we're given here. I make an exception for the one about fear because that's not a distinction between the two factions of the Republican party; it's something they have in common. Even if all the insanity of the last several years had never happened, the party would still be what it already was before, and fear has been behind a lot of it for a long time.

11th November 2022, 02:49 AM	#45
Gulliver Foyle Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Cork baaaiii Posts: 1,265	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue Republicans are in, what I've called in the past, the Radio Shack Going Out Of Business Paradox. It's 2010. Give me a solid reason that Radio Shack will fail as a business on a timeline that you could honestly call "soon." Easy right? Okay it's 2010. Give me a solid reason that Radio Shack will fail as a business on a timeline that you could honestly call "soon".... that isn't exactly and equally true and valid as it would have been in 2005 or 2000 or 1995? That second question is a LOT harder to answer. Radio Shack had every valid reason to go out of business WAY before it actually went out of business. And that's sort of where we are at with the GOP. There are thousand good, solid, accurate, true, perfectly reasonable reasons why Republican politics are not long term sustainable. The problem is all these reasons have been good, solid, accurate, true, perfectly reasonable reasons have been there since... arguably Reagan, certainly for a couple of decades at least. So yeah I buy all the arguments as to why the Republicans are eventually going to just if nothing else collapse as, but I don't know how much I buy any argument about it happening "soon" as opposed to 20 years ago or 20 years from now. Like Radio Shack in the past with Republicans now there is an X factor in there somewhere keeping them alive that is countering all the valid reasons why they should already be on the way out. It might be some strong foundational factor we've overlooked or a house of cards that's gonna blow down at the first breeze or something in between, but there's something. Long story short that's why I don't like when "The Republicans are going to fail" is treated as both the solution to the problem and as some sort of inevitability that's going to happen on a timeframe worth counting on. Yes it's true that they are doomed to fail; everything from the changing demographics of the country to the simple march of time proves that they are life support to a large degree and outside of consolidating their power to the point of Fascism (i.e. what they are openly trying to do now) they have no long term future, but I think disagree with a lot of people on how long they can drag it out before they win or go away entirely. I'd say that support for the republicans will be like support for the nazis during WW2. Support will remain high until the bitter end, when reality will come crashing in and make it impossible for people to ignore that their fantasy world has no relation to reality. It really wasn't until late 1944 that the nazis powerbase started shrinking.

11th November 2022, 02:51 AM	#46
Gulliver Foyle Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Cork baaaiii Posts: 1,265	Originally Posted by Brainster Do you think history will damn them for opposing transwomen competing in women's sports? Either history will or humanity won't survive the next fifty years. Fearmongering about manufactured controversies always dies in the end.

11th November 2022, 07:11 AM	#49
shemp a flimsy character...perfidious and despised Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Out back preparing the bunker for the next Civil War Posts: 53,715	Quote: Republican operative Nick Fuentes reacts to GOP failures in the midterm elections: “We need a dictatorship. We need to take control of the government and force the people to believe what we believe.” (from @RightWingWatch) https://twitter.com/NoLieWithBTC/sta...71129681342464 Bonus: The (((MEDIA))) are to blame.
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11th November 2022, 07:13 AM	#50
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 42,954	Well that's a fine "Say the quiet part out loud." I think the narrative they are going to try to go with is young, naïve voters ruined everything.
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11th November 2022, 07:18 AM	#51
lobosrul5 Illuminator Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 4,419	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue The stock market also surged on the midterm results. Maybe there's not as much money in owning the libs as people thought either. No, us markets went down following the election... Then screamed up on better than expected inflation numbers.
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11th November 2022, 07:22 AM	#52
shemp a flimsy character...perfidious and despised Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Out back preparing the bunker for the next Civil War Posts: 53,715	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue Well that's a fine "Say the quiet part out loud." I think the narrative they are going to try to go with is young, naïve voters ruined everything. You're late to the party, it's already started. Some Republicans Want to Raise Voting Age After Gen Z Midterm Turnout Quote: “This new generation is totally brainwashed,” a Fox News commentator complained. As Gen Z headed to the polls this week, conservative commentators had a message for young voters: please stop. Tuesday’s midterm election saw Gen Z come out strong for Democrats, including for their generation’s first U.S. representative: Maxwell Frost, a 25-year-old Democrat from Florida. The young blue bloc left Fox News personalities dismayed, with other conservative voices suggesting that the minimum voting age be raised from 18 (currently enshrined in the Constitution) to 21 or 28. “The fact that these youth voters are coming in so strong in an off-year is very concerning,” Fox News commentator Jesse Watters lamented on Wednesday night. “It looks like they’ve been brainwashed. This new generation is totally brainwashed ‘cause a lot of these single women [who] vote 37 spreads for Democrats, are teaching all of our younger generation in these schools and they’re polluting their minds and then they grow up and they’re in their twenties and then they vote for leftists.” Quote: Other conservative voices were less rosy on winning the youth vote. In a now-viral series of tweets, anti-Muslim activist Brigitte Gabriel suggested barring America’s youngest voters from the polls. “Raise the voting age to 21,” Gabriel tweeted, immediately after noting that “We were promised a red wave and we got a red puddle.” She went on to tweet that “Generation Z thinks doing drugs in the street should be legal. Generation Z also thinks speech that offends them should be illegal.”
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11th November 2022, 07:45 AM	#53
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 42,954	Well I mean hasn't that always been the dream? Democrats have been pinning their hopes on a sudden surge in youth voters for years now. If they can stalemate a midterm that was supposed to be a Red Wave they might (MIGHT, I said MIGHT) crush a regular cycle election.
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11th November 2022, 08:20 AM	#54
Donal Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 5,284	So one party actually passes policies to appeal to young voters and defies history. The other party will obviously re-evaluate its platform to appeal to young voters better. Wait, no. They want to change laws or the Constitution to exclude those voters.
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11th November 2022, 08:36 AM	#55
Lurch Master Poster Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Ottawa Posts: 2,357	Originally Posted by Brainster This is silly. For starters, let's remember that the Republicans are almost certainly going to have control of the House. So while it was doubtless a disappointing night from their standpoint, it's not like they lost; they just didn't cover the spread. Second, there is always going to be a party of let's change things and a party of let's keep things the way they are. As I put it years ago, the Democrats are the gas pedal and the Republicans are the brakes. Without the gas pedal you'll never get anywhere, and without the brakes you'll quickly drive off a cliff. ETA: As for some real lessons: 1. Candidate quality matters. The GOP lost some winnable seats because they fielded sub-par and non-establishment candidates. 2. Stop focusing on 2020 and Trump. 3. Abortion is no longer a winning issue for them, because they no longer have the passion all on their side as they did during the Roe years. Repubs are the brakes? More like reverse gear!

11th November 2022, 08:39 AM	#56
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 42,954	Again not lesson but... data point In the last midterm literally every Republican ad (in my area at least) was straight up a Trump Ad. Literally the only thing the Republican candidate said was "Endorsed by Donald Trump. This time? I'm not sure Trump's name even came up once. There might have been a throw away reference once or twice, but they certainly didn't bring him up a lot and maybe not at all. Ironically I'm not sure if I can remember a Democrat ad mentioning Trump either. Biden didn't get but maybe one or two mentions with Pelosi, by far, being the boogeyman in Republican ads.
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11th November 2022, 08:49 AM	#57
johnny karate ... and your little dog too. Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 16,082	Originally Posted by Lurch Repubs are the brakes? More like reverse gear! Reverse gear is a function of a normally operating automobile. Republicans are more like sugar in the gas tank.

11th November 2022, 08:54 AM	#58
Lurch Master Poster Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Ottawa Posts: 2,357	Terror is the ultimate motivator. Followed closely by hate. Now the Rethugs have a shiny new object upon which to direct their base's fear and loathing; the brainwashed youth that are robotically pulling the lever for "D." Just step up the ol' tried 'n true; fear and hate all the way, baby.

11th November 2022, 08:59 AM	#59
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 42,954	Again the Republicans have already openly admitted they can't win in open and honest elections where everyone gets to vote. It's why they are scared of DC and Puerto Rican citizenship and early / mail in voting and it is why they are terrified beyond the scope of Lovecraftian deep time horror at the prospect of young people voting and why they love gerrymandering and the EC and voter suppression. "Scared old people" has always been their "Break Glass in Case of Emergency" response because up until the last few years the pure demographics of things have made that, sadly, a very effective response. But "Scared old people" can win an election against "Angry young people" as easily anymore.
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11th November 2022, 09:03 AM	#60
johnny karate ... and your little dog too. Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 16,082	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue The stock market also surged on the midterm results. Maybe there's not as much money in owning the libs as people thought either. I saw some MAGA clown on Twitter claim that the market is surging because people know that the Republicans will win these close elections and take control of Congress.

11th November 2022, 09:05 AM	#61
johnny karate ... and your little dog too. Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 16,082	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue Well that's a fine "Say the quiet part out loud." I think the narrative they are going to try to go with is young, naïve voters ruined everything. We need to give these people megaphones and even bigger platforms so their odious, losing message can turn off even more voters.

11th November 2022, 10:03 AM	#62
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Port Townsend, Washington Posts: 35,959	Wow, so much serious discussion in what I thought was an obvious parody thread!
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11th November 2022, 10:44 AM	#63
johnny karate ... and your little dog too. Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 16,082	Originally Posted by Trebuchet Wow, so much serious discussion in what I thought was an obvious parody thread! It's difficult to separate parody and seriousness when discussing Republicans.

11th November 2022, 10:48 AM	#64
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Port Townsend, Washington Posts: 35,959	Originally Posted by johnny karate It's difficult to separate parody and seriousness when discussing Republicans. Kind of a Poe's law situation in fact.
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11th November 2022, 12:35 PM	#65
arayder Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 3,362	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue Again not lesson but... data point In the last midterm literally every Republican ad (in my area at least) was straight up a Trump Ad. Literally the only thing the Republican candidate said was "Endorsed by Donald Trump. This time? I'm not sure Trump's name even came up once. There might have been a throw away reference once or twice, but they certainly didn't bring him up a lot and maybe not at all. Ironically I'm not sure if I can remember a Democrat ad mentioning Trump either. Biden didn't get but maybe one or two mentions with Pelosi, by far, being the boogeyman in Republican ads. Sometimes things have a way of getting real. So real that Republican conspiracy theories, scare tactics and ultra left "eat the rich" rants don't carry much weight. My take is that between covid, the economy, January 6, the abortion issue and our proxy war with the Russians the voting public was pretty much forced to focus on real issues. Politicians who couldn't or wouldn't get down to business paid a price, IMHO.
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11th November 2022, 01:07 PM	#66
thaiboxerken Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 32,501	Originally Posted by Trebuchet Wow, so much serious discussion in what I thought was an obvious parody thread! Sadly, the "lessons" listed in the poll are what Republicans learn every time they lose elections. They have yet to actually learn that they need to either change positions to something more palatable to the electorate or to convince the electorate that their positions are good positions.
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11th November 2022, 01:31 PM	#67
Brainster Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 19,687	One very important lesson seems to be breaking through; Trump is an anchor on the party. The latest straw was when he poked at Glenn Youngkin: Quote: "Young Kin (now that’s an interesting take. Sounds Chinese, doesn’t it?) in Virginia couldn’t have won without me," Trump wrote on TruthSocial. "I Endorsed him, did a very big Trump Rally for him telephonically, got MAGA to Vote for him - or he couldn’t have come close to winning. Let's just say the reactions to this bizarre posting are very encouraging. Ben Shapiro: WUT DA FUQUE The writer at Twitchy (conservative site originally founded by Michelle Malkin) pulls no punches: Quote: It’s a stunning melange of racism, envy, historical revisionism, delusions of grandeur, and all-around insanity. It’s quite a spectacle.
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11th November 2022, 01:34 PM	#68
johnny karate ... and your little dog too. Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 16,082	"Breaking through"... six years later.

11th November 2022, 01:40 PM	#69
Donal Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 5,284	Didn't Youngkin win because he was able to separate himself from Trump while all the tired old centrist the democrats dug up could run on was "Orange Man Bad"? And let's not assume Trump is done yet. If he does run, they'll all go sniveling back to him after he makes DeSantis cry on the debate stage.
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11th November 2022, 08:22 PM	#70
Galaxie Graduate Poster Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 1,196	Originally Posted by johnny karate "Breaking through"... six years later. It's weird seeing conservatives flip on Trump. Since 2015, every criticism has been met with fingers in ears going, "La la la! I can't hear you!". Now all of a sudden it's, "Hey, this guy is only out for himself! He's hurting the party!"
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12th November 2022, 07:28 AM	#71
Parsman Muse Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bonnie Scotland Posts: 913	Originally Posted by Brainster Do you think history will damn them for opposing transwomen competing in women's sports? I don't think history will care? Ancient Greece is admired for its intellectual rigour, but who apart from a few crazies are worried that they were quite laissez-faire when it came to sexual mores?
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13th November 2022, 02:54 AM	#72
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 29,300	Originally Posted by Parsman I don't think history will care? Ancient Greece is admired for its intellectual rigour, but who apart from a few crazies are worried that they were quite laissez-faire when it came to sexual mores? I'm surprised Republican states aren't banning teaching ancient Greek history as a sexual relationship between an older man and a male youth was seen as a higher form of love than between a man and a woman.

14th November 2022, 05:12 AM	#73
Crazy Chainsaw Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 7,276	Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza Republicans know exactly what lesson to learn from the midterms, but they are too scared to do it: dump Trump and all his mini-mes. I Hear Mitch McConnell is even going to change his Name to McCoverup in honor of his Brilliant strategy for 2022, in not holding Trump accountable for the Insurrection.

14th November 2022, 06:33 AM	#74
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 42,954	Ted Cruz finally takes the bold stance that his wife is not ugly and that is respectfully disagrees with Trump's stance that she is.
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