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Old 18th October 2020, 12:28 PM   #1881
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Old 18th October 2020, 01:03 PM   #1882
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Originally Posted by ChrisBFRPKY View Post
But the most important reason I will vote for Trump again is because he's not a politician, he's a businessman.
Yep, a businessman who managed to lose most of his initial inheritance during the longest bull run in history and even managed to bankrupt a casino.

A businessman.

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Old 18th October 2020, 01:06 PM   #1883
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As a side note, I love how someone can say, with a straight face, that the President of a country is "not a politician".
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Old 18th October 2020, 01:11 PM   #1884
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Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper View Post
As a side note, I love how someone can say, with a straight face, that the President of a country is "not a politician".
This is another weird and very hard to put into words quirk of America and our relationship with our leaders.

"Politics" is almost a dirty word in America. Politicians almost never use the term to describe themselves and it's practically pejorative if applied to a political rival.

When an American uses the phrase "politics" or "politician" they usually don't just mean "Person in politics" in the neutral sense of the term, there's a sinister implication to it. The closest term is probably the German Realpolitik, politics but only the shady, Machivalian, power-play part of it.

It's a mentality I've never liked. It's demonized the base concept of being in a place of political power so casually and ingrained it so deep into your cultural mentality that a Trump, someone riding the back of a "Well all politicians are dirty" mentality was sadly bound to happen sooner or later.
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Old 18th October 2020, 01:15 PM   #1885
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Yep, a businessman who managed to lose most of his initial inheritance during the longest bull run in history and even managed to bankrupt a casino.

A businessman.

Not even a failed business man, but a slimy old-timey salesman, the kind that still thinks strip club lap dances are expensable. Or in this case, porn star payoffs.

He is a con-man gulling the credulous.
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Old 18th October 2020, 01:50 PM   #1886
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My mom has no valid ID and has voted Republican for most of her life. Her DL expired 10 years ago and it did not occur to me to convert the expired DL into state non-driving ID. As a result she eventually was purged from voter rolls. This year maybe I would have tried to fix the situation but I was afraid it would boil down to hauling her to DMV in the middle of a pandemic and hoping a long-expired DL or passport would suffice to get a new picture ID to allow her to register.

Just saying because a poster up thread asked what kind of person doesnít have state-issued ID. I actually kind of agree with that sentiment and hoped people interested in social justice would work to rectify that situation. Maybe they have.

Though lacking memory my mom is pretty sharp re: sussing out whatís going on in the moment. She figured out on her own that Trump is a fraud and would probably not have voted for him. The ******* is robo-calling our house 3 times a day seeking money - from me, I guess, as I am the only registered voter in the household - and Iíve hung up on him at least 100 times. Meanwhile Iím happy to see Dems sending me mail even though my registration is a R. They *should* be targeting Rís IMO because at least a few of them canít stand Trump. The R Senate candidate is awful as well although frankly I donít care much for the D candidate either.
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Old 18th October 2020, 03:07 PM   #1887
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Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper View Post
Me too. In fact I think it's amazing Trump is still slipping. I was sure he'd stop at 15% or so, but Biden's support just keeps growing.


I've learned lately that you can't post or discuss good news on this forum without a disclaimer, lest someone will inevitably come around and inform you that Trump can still win and that we were optimistic in 2016, too.

I found this interview with "The Mooch"* interesting. (Al Jazeera)

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He thinks Biden will win in a landslide. Note: this interview is before Trump's debate with Biden or his Covid-19 positive.


*Who is more articulate than I gave him credit for.

Anyway, on to more important matters. I wonder what's in my Netflix queue?
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Old 18th October 2020, 03:15 PM   #1888
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Just saying because a poster up thread asked what kind of person doesnít have state-issued ID. I actually kind of agree with that sentiment and hoped people interested in social justice would work to rectify that situation. Maybe they have.
As with other causes, there's only so much that charity can do - particularly against an outright hostile state. I mentioned before that nobody I grew up with had what would be considered "proper" ID for many of these states until we were at least 21, and sometimes older. This is not because we lacked even stat-issued, valid photo ID - quite a few of us received these as students at public universities before we ever had a chance to vote, after all.

These are not considered "valid" though, because reasons. (In reality, the reason is that younger people tend to vote for democrats). In the 90s, this wasn't a problem for us - we voted absentee in order to avoid an hours-long trip each way to vote in person. Had we been in the south... who knows?

Are there charities and other groups holding voter drives, helping people get valid IDs, and the like? Naturally. Folks will even check to see that would-be voters havent been purged due to garbage like Crosscheck. But in the end, these are the same as poll taxes or "literacy" tests used to be. At this point, Dolt 45's goons are back to threatening violence, "protesting" outside voting locations in a clear attempt to intimidate voters.
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Old 18th October 2020, 03:39 PM   #1889
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Old 18th October 2020, 03:49 PM   #1890
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Originally Posted by Minoosh View Post
My mom has no valid ID and has voted Republican for most of her life. Her DL expired 10 years ago and it did not occur to me to convert the expired DL into state non-driving ID. As a result she eventually was purged from voter rolls. This year maybe I would have tried to fix the situation but I was afraid it would boil down to hauling her to DMV in the middle of a pandemic and hoping a long-expired DL or passport would suffice to get a new picture ID to allow her to register.

Just saying because a poster up thread asked what kind of person doesnít have state-issued ID. I actually kind of agree with that sentiment and hoped people interested in social justice would work to rectify that situation. Maybe they have.

Though lacking memory my mom is pretty sharp re: sussing out whatís going on in the moment. She figured out on her own that Trump is a fraud and would probably not have voted for him. The ******* is robo-calling our house 3 times a day seeking money - from me, I guess, as I am the only registered voter in the household - and Iíve hung up on him at least 100 times. Meanwhile Iím happy to see Dems sending me mail even though my registration is a R. They *should* be targeting Rís IMO because at least a few of them canít stand Trump. The R Senate candidate is awful as well although frankly I donít care much for the D candidate either.
You might want to check out the DMV website. Due to Covid it's possible that you can do everything online to get an ID.
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Old 18th October 2020, 03:52 PM   #1891
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Originally Posted by Elagabalus View Post
You might want to check out the DMV website. Due to Covid it's possible that you can do everything online to get an ID.
That depends on the state. But definitely worth investigating.
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Old 18th October 2020, 04:01 PM   #1892
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Originally Posted by Elagabalus View Post
You might want to check out the DMV website. Due to Covid it's possible that you can do everything online to get an ID.
In what State? There are 50 of them. Is this true if you don't have a credit card? My guess is no.
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Old 18th October 2020, 04:17 PM   #1893
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Originally Posted by Minoosh View Post
My mom has no valid ID and has voted Republican for most of her life. Her DL expired 10 years ago and it did not occur to me to convert the expired DL into state non-driving ID. As a result she eventually was purged from voter rolls. This year maybe I would have tried to fix the situation but I was afraid it would boil down to hauling her to DMV in the middle of a pandemic and hoping a long-expired DL or passport would suffice to get a new picture ID to allow her to register.

Call your DMV and see if there's anything they can do. Some states do renewals on-line, and many will make office appointments so you don't have to wait in line. You might also call the voter registrar and see if they can issue a voter ID card.
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Old 18th October 2020, 04:27 PM   #1894
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Originally Posted by Beelzebuddy View Post
I can't blame him. A little over-zealousness is a natural consequence of rejecting complacency.

The real test is going to be the next election, and the one after that, and so on. Has the Trump administration caused a lasting shift in people's political engagement, or is everyone going back to bed in 2024 when it's Harris vs. some "inoffensive" Republican who's gone back to saying the quiet part quietly?
Trump has drawn the map. The 2024 Repub candidate will be somebody as evil as Trump, but smarter and slicker. Like Tom Cotton.
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Trump has drawn the map. The 2024 Repub candidate will be somebody as evil as Trump, but smarter and slicker. Like Tom Cotton.
Apparently Trump plans to run in 2024.
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Old 18th October 2020, 05:29 PM   #1896
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Looks like Trump only has single digit chance to win the election according to The Economist, the most generous chance for Biden at 91 percent.
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Old 18th October 2020, 05:39 PM   #1897
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Trump has drawn the map. The 2024 Repub candidate will be somebody as evil as Trump, but smarter and slicker. Like Tom Cotton.
More likely it'll be Trump himself. Regardless of whether he's still President. If not, then one of his offspring. Most likely Don Jr.
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Old 18th October 2020, 05:44 PM   #1898
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Looks like Trump only has single digit chance to win the election according to The Economist, the most generous chance for Biden at 91 percent.
I wonder what chance they would give Trump to win the popular vote?
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I already posted that at him. He called GS a bunch of leftists.
I seriously doubt Goldman Sachs economists think in terms of blue and red. The only color they care about is green.
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I seriously doubt Goldman Sachs economists think in terms of blue and red. The only color they care about is green.
Well put. And true.
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Old 18th October 2020, 06:53 PM   #1901
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Jake Tapper just did a really good hit job on Trump. He had on all the former Trump administration officials who left in disgusts as well as a few former professional officers who either retired or quit. They did a good job of savaging Trump. You should be able to watch it on "on demand".
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Apparently Trump plans to run in 2024.
I think you're right. His kind never groom a successor. There is no successor to Trump because his kind only see a successor as a threat.
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Old 18th October 2020, 06:57 PM   #1903
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Jake Tapper just did a really good hit job on Trump. He had on all the former Trump administration officials who left in disgusts as well as a few former professional officers who either retired or quit. They did a good job of savaging Trump. You should be able to watch it on "on demand".
Trouble is, it's likely no one will see it except those who already aren't going to vote for Cheeto Benito.
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He won't run in 2024, although he might think he will. For one thing, he might want to avoid trying something he knows he failed at before, especially something he probably didn't even want in the first place. More importantly, even if he does still want to run again, his current deterioration rate has him either dead or mostly unable to even slosh whole words out by then, and his cultists won't stick with him in that state.

But if he does lose this time, stops deteriorating (which is probably impossible anyway), and does run again, he'll win if his opponent is Biden. The only thing saving Biden now is the virus, and in a few years, people will have forgotten about that and will only pay attention to the fact that we'll be four years into exactly the same kind of administration that produced President Trump in the first place.

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But if he does lose this time, stops deteriorating (which is probably impossible anyway), and does run again, he'll win if his opponent is Biden. The only thing saving Biden now is the virus, and in a few years, people will have forgotten about that and will only pay attention to the fact that we'll be four years into exactly the same kind of administration that produced President Trump in the first place.

Do you mean peace, prosperity and health care for all? You mean that administration? The party that won three million more votes than Trump? A lot of forces produced Trump, particularly Clinton's bizarrely inept campaign, but if Biden beats Trump this time around, it's impossible to imagine that anybody will be pining for the good old days of Orange Man in four years.
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[quote=Skeptic Ginger;13261608]It's been 87 to 12 for several days. In one outcome they tie 269 to 269. /QUOTE]

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If the House has to vote to choose the president, each state gets one vote.
For now, the Republicans control more state delegations.

And if the EC is a tie, highly unlikely that this GOP advantage goes away.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contin...on?wprov=sfla1
Yep. In a tie, the GOP probably wins.
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I'll bet she goes to someone who is not a dentist to get teeth worked on.

Being a politician has got to be the only job where experience is considered a liability. The thoughtless - and I mean that literally - debasement of politicians just because they are politicians is as common as it is stupid.

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I think you're right. His kind never groom a successor. There is no successor to Trump because his kind only see a successor as a threat.
That might be great, since his enemy no.1 would be other potential candidates.
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I'll bet she goes to someone who is not a dentist to get teeth worked on.
Very likely, she's rather notoriously nutty.

eta: not as crazy as Randy Quaid, but crazier than Val Kilmer. That's not a good place to be on that particular spectrum.
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It's been 87 to 12 for several days. In one outcome they tie 269 to 269.
Yep. In a tie, the GOP probably wins.
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No, in a tie the Democrat wins because the House decides (not the Senate).
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I'll bet she goes to someone who is not a dentist to get teeth worked on.

Being a politician has got to be the only job where experience is considered a liability. The thoughtless - and I mean that literally - debasement of politicians just because they are politicians is as common as it is stupid.

ETA: For example, consider this quote from ChrisBFRPKY:
Trump is a completely failed businessman. I guess Trumpers are in denial about that.

As for Kirstie Alley, it's awful how many celebs there are I never new were political idiots. The GOP always makes it sound like all of Hollywood are liberals. Apparently not so.
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This popular vote cop out from the left on twitter getting as silly as any other bad excuse

For the last time.

The electoral college is how it's decided. Not total votes.

If you want to win, then win those states that you lost last time.
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This popular vote cop out from the left on twitter getting as silly as any other bad excuse

For the last time.

The electoral college is how it's decided. Not total votes.

If you want to win, then win those states that you lost last time.
No kidding? Is that why Trump won in 2016? Thank for explaining that.
The mystery is finally solved!
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Old 18th October 2020, 10:19 PM   #1914
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Very likely, she's rather notoriously nutty.

eta: not as crazy as Randy Quaid, but crazier than Val Kilmer. That's not a good place to be on that particular spectrum.
She's an operating Thetan.
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Old 18th October 2020, 10:55 PM   #1915
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
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No, in a tie the Democrat wins because the House decides (not the Senate).
No, because it's not a regular House vote. Each state delegation gets one vote.
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Old 18th October 2020, 11:09 PM   #1916
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
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No, in a tie the Democrat wins because the House decides (not the Senate).
The House decides, but ...

Originally Posted by timhau View Post
No, because it's not a regular House vote. Each state delegation gets one vote.
Indeed.

12th amendment of the US constitution:
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The Electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and all persons voted for as Vice-President and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate;

The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted;

The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice.

In practice, that means:
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Yep. In a tie, the GOP probably wins.
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I'll bet she goes to someone who is not a dentist to get teeth worked on.
It certainly ooks like it! This is an actual close-up of Kirstie Alley's teeth. Spoilered for grossness:

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No, because it's not a regular House vote. Each state delegation gets one vote.
I see. Hope it's not a tie then. It would be a disaster.
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
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No, in a tie the Democrat wins because the House decides (not the Senate).
The FiveThirtyEight Model Talk podcast talked about this.

The relevant part is 33:50:

If there is a tie, it goes to the House and the vote is based on state delegations and NOT individual Congressmembers.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/videos/h...ner-questions/

Answer is: Not clear yet, but Republicans currently have more delegations, and even though Democrats could win more delegations in the election, it would be very unlikely that they simultaneously do that, while Biden gets a tie. If it is a tie, then it would be a sign that Republicans did better than their forecast which would likely mean more delegations in the House as well.
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The chances of a tie are highly unlikely. I'm not losing any sleep over it.
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