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Old 12th September 2020, 11:13 AM   #281
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Trump Tweeted

NORTH CAROLINA: To make sure your Ballot COUNTS, sign & send it in EARLY. When Polls open, go to your Polling Place to see if it was COUNTED. IF NOT, VOTE! Your signed Ballot will not count because your vote has been posted. Donít let them illegally take your vote away from you!

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Old 12th September 2020, 11:19 AM   #282
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Originally Posted by Bob001 View Post
One of the basic strategies to deal with stuttering is to pause before speaking and think through what you're going to say. But that can look like ignorance or confusion. Biden doesn't seem to have any trouble having conversations with people face-to-face. That's a different environment from standing at a podium giving a speech.
Stress and being nervous also make stuttering worse. Biden is probably more relaxed when he's talking one-on-one rather than giving a speech from a podium. Most people are.
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Old 12th September 2020, 11:28 AM   #283
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Originally Posted by Delvo View Post
The "parasites" ad against Graham isn't good. For one thing, a lot of what it shows aren't parasites; they're decomposers.
It's not a documentary.

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But also, for a lot of its running time, it isn't clear which person it's calling a parasite. It's making almost equal cases for both.
I'm not sure that's a bad thing.
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Old 12th September 2020, 12:16 PM   #284
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Originally Posted by Minoosh View Post
I think Biden has charisma. Almost all politicians do, to some extent. He was cuter back in the day, but then, weren't we all? He has empathy, which may turn out to be the new charisma.

Something I just read in Politico caught my eye: The writer thinks Biden needs to admit he still struggles with stuttering. I would not have put that high on the list but it was a fairly cogent argument.

I Observed Joe Biden at Close Range for 20 Years. Hereís How He Winsóand Loses

It's dated, and I don't usually pay much attention to opinions on Politico, just putting it out there since I alluded to it. Among other things he urges Biden to select Mitt Romney as secretary of state.
I thought he did that pretty well with the whole story about the boy he met during the primaries who stuttered.
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Old 12th September 2020, 12:19 PM   #285
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Trump Tweeted

NORTH CAROLINA: To make sure your Ballot COUNTS, sign & send it in EARLY. When Polls open, go to your Polling Place to see if it was COUNTED. IF NOT, VOTE! Your signed Ballot will not count because your vote has been posted. Donít let them illegally take your vote away from you!

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Twitter Note This Tweet violated the Twitter Rules about civic and election integrity. However, Twitter has determined that it may be in the publicís interest for the Tweet to remain accessible.
Ya know, you could just track your ballot on line. North Carolina has a tracking portal for your ballot.
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Old 12th September 2020, 05:13 PM   #286
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Originally Posted by Craig4 View Post
Ya know, you could just track your ballot on line. North Carolina has a tracking portal for your ballot.
California does too.

For some reason I was switched to vote by mail only but I was given notice of how to track it.

Every state has their own system, most have been 'absentee' + polling day of, but some have early voting or all 'mail' voting.

The only rule is that no vote can be cast after the polls close. (counted, sure...but not cast)
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Old 12th September 2020, 11:35 PM   #287
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Florida never seems to stop being the most important state to win.

They have to be super aggressive. I know there's a sizeable population of Cubans who hate socialism and like Trump.
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Old 12th September 2020, 11:48 PM   #288
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Florida never seems to stop being the most important state to win.

They have to be super aggressive. I know there's a sizeable population of Cubans who hate socialism and like Trump.
They obviously ignore the Trump-Putin connection.
For any Reagan Republican, Trump should look like a Commie Defector.
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
They obviously ignore the Trump-Putin connection.
For any Reagan Republican, Trump should look like a Commie Defector.
Why? Putin's Russia isn't Communist.

You would think that any sane person would be upset about the meddling in the elections and Putin's authoritarianism. But they seem to like that.
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Why? Putin's Russia isn't Communist.

You would think that any sane person would be upset about the meddling in the elections and Putin's authoritarianism. But they seem to like that.
Castro authoritarianism = bad

Putin authoritarianism = bad

Kim Jong Un authoritarianism = bad

Trump authoritarianism = good
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Florida never seems to stop being the most important state to win.

They have to be super aggressive. I know there's a sizeable population of Cubans who hate socialism and like Trump.
A lot of Venezuelans who fled here are now citizens and voting in Florida. There's much the same dynamic going on with that demographic as with the Cuban Americans.
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Old 13th September 2020, 09:48 AM   #292
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https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/...ts-gpx-vpx.cnn

Everyone in the country needs to watch this. I agree with Fareed and find no fault with the modeling he talks about on election night. I also agree that John Roberts is likely going to decide the fate of our democracy. Trump will try to stop the counting. That's different than the Florida case in 2000 where he was stopping the recounting. Trump will try to stop people who lawfully voted from having their votes counted. I frankly don't see Roberts going for that.

When Fareed talks about the media, I think he fails to mention one important outlet. The media needs to educate the public and get us used to the idea of an election week or month. The most important outlet to do that will be Fox.

The question that our transition may depend on is, "What will Fox do?" If the News Division is in charge, I think we'll be mostly okay. If the pundits are all over the coverage, we may be ******.
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Old 13th September 2020, 10:02 AM   #293
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I agree that Roberts in anyway stopping absentee voting counting is highly unlikely. Dude's old school conservative so at least he as some honor and standards as much as I disagree with most of his actual opinions.

But Trump doesn't need to win the election. He needs to plant the seed that the election results are "controversial" or "contested" or "opinions differ" or some other similar post-fact tactic.

Again it doesn't matter if Trump "technically" wins the election if he can convinces a tipping point of his followers that that he is some version of the "Rightful" winner.

Trump wins the moment the seed of doubt is planted.
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Old 13th September 2020, 12:37 PM   #294
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Castro authoritarianism = bad

Putin authoritarianism = bad

Kim Jong Un authoritarianism = bad

Trump authoritarianism = good

Made in the USA!
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Old 13th September 2020, 06:11 PM   #295
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A lot of Venezuelans who fled here are now citizens and voting in Florida. There's much the same dynamic going on with that demographic as with the Cuban Americans.


Damn yer right. Apparently about 200k eligible Venezuelan emigres living in Florida.
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Originally Posted by Craig4 View Post
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/...ts-gpx-vpx.cnn

Everyone in the country needs to watch this. I agree with Fareed and find no fault with the modeling he talks about on election night. I also agree that John Roberts is likely going to decide the fate of our democracy. Trump will try to stop the counting. That's different than the Florida case in 2000 where he was stopping the recounting. Trump will try to stop people who lawfully voted from having their votes counted. I frankly don't see Roberts going for that.

When Fareed talks about the media, I think he fails to mention one important outlet. The media needs to educate the public and get us used to the idea of an election week or month. The most important outlet to do that will be Fox.

The question that our transition may depend on is, "What will Fox do?" If the News Division is in charge, I think we'll be mostly okay. If the pundits are all over the coverage, we may be ******.
That's very short-sighted. The SCOTUS only got involved in 2000 because Bush appealed a FL SC decision to recount the Palm Beach votes (chads).

Trump can't just appeal the absentee votes. He'd have to appeal on a state by state basis and each state would have to have it go through their state supreme courts before Trump could appeal to the SCOTUS.

2000 was unique, so sayeth Scalia when he ruled the ruling which elected Bush couldn't stand as a stare decisis.

Of course something new can still come up given this cluster ****.
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Of all the things i REALLY want to know about the Trump Years, the circumstances of Judge Kenedy's retirement are at the top of my list.
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I agree that Roberts in anyway stopping absentee voting counting is highly unlikely. Dude's old school conservative so at least he as some honor and standards as much as I disagree with most of his actual opinions.

But Trump doesn't need to win the election. He needs to plant the seed that the election results are "controversial" or "contested" or "opinions differ" or some other similar post-fact tactic.

Again it doesn't matter if Trump "technically" wins the election if he can convinces a tipping point of his followers that that he is some version of the "Rightful" winner.

Trump wins the moment the seed of doubt is planted.
After watching Fareed's show yesterday, I expect Trump to declare himself the winner on election night based on early returns that almost always favor Republicans. A few days later, that will change and it will be clear Trump lost. Chris Wallace and John Roberts (Fox White House correspondent) better come heavy on election night at Fox. They might be the only two left at Fox who can tamp this down.
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...?ocid=msedgdhp

This is just sad. He's such a stupid, pathetic creature. Some people are saying Biden took performance enhancing drugs for debates. No Donny Boy, he's just smarter than you.
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The thought was on his mind because he takes uppers & downers every single day himself. He's occasionally had a few public appearances on downer-time. It was a strange sight to behold.
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After watching Fareed's show yesterday, I expect Trump to declare himself the winner on election night based on early returns that almost always favor Republicans. A few days later, that will change and it will be clear Trump lost. Chris Wallace and John Roberts (Fox White House correspondent) better come heavy on election night at Fox. They might be the only two left at Fox who can tamp this down.
The most important thing all commentators could do is to preface every results update with the phrase "With just XX percent of the votes counted, ....". Make clear every time that it's not over until it's over.
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The most important thing all commentators could do is to preface every results update with the phrase "With just XX percent of the votes counted, ....". Make clear every time that it's not over until it's over.
You think people acknowledge qualifiers and parse nuance and I think it makes you adorable.
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You think people acknowledge qualifiers and parse nuance and I think it makes you adorable.
I like to think of myself as hopeful. I'd like to believe that the facts have a chance to win if they are repeated often enough.
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While Trump clings to the claim about Biden being an extreme far-leftist who works for Bernie and Mao, Republicans running for office in Missouri and Nebraska have released ads that openly acknowledge that Biden is actually on their side: they play video of Biden's own anti-progressive rants to make the Republicans' case for them that their opponents in those races contrast with Biden by actually being lefties. They don't appear to think the public would buy Trump's claim that Biden is precisely what he was ranting against in those videos. That makes these Missouri & Nebraska Republican campaign videos essentially refutations against Trump's own campaign theme.

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The Lincoln Project ridicules Trump for running his election campaign into the ground by surrounding himself with corrupt people. Reminds me a lot of the old whispers video about how he couldn't trust anyone in his inner circle because they were all leaking stories about him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTVw...LincolnProject
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Top HHS official accuses scientists of plotting against Trump, tells supporters to buy ammunition

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The top communications official at the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) accused career government scientists of plotting against President Trump and told Trump supporters to arm themselves ahead of the November presidential election.

Michael Caputo said the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) was harboring a “resistance unit" to Trump.

The scientists "haven’t gotten out of their sweatpants except for meetings at coffee shops to plot how they’re going to attack Donald Trump. There are scientists who work for this government who do not want America to get well, not until after Joe Biden is president.”

Caputo also warned Trump's followers to be prepared for an armed insurrection when Democratic nominee Joe Biden refuses to concede the election.

"When Donald Trump refuses to stand down at the inauguration, the shooting will begin,” Caputo said. “If you carry guns, buy ammunition, ladies and gentlemen, because it’s going to be hard to get.”
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Top HHS official accuses scientists of plotting against Trump, tells supporters to buy ammunition



https://thehill.com/policy/healthcar...st-trump-tells
I'm in an episode of The Twilight Zone, right?
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I'm in an episode of The Twilight Zone, right?
Caputo is a long-time Trump hack and Roger Stone pal. He is not a health expert or a career official. Trump put him there in April.
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-...sense-n1240061
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Caputo is a long-time Trump hack and Roger Stone pal. He is not a health expert or a career official. Trump put him there in April.
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-...sense-n1240061
That explains it. A Swamp Creature.
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Trump Tweets

Rasmussen was one of the most accurate polls in 2016. Actually, I think, based on Crowds and Enthusiasm (of which Sleepy Joe has none!), that we are MUCH higher than 51%. The only thing Joe can count on is that a Federal Judge doesn’t eviscerate the Fake Ballot Rigging Scam!
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Caputo is a long-time Trump hack and Roger Stone pal. He is not a health expert or a career official. Trump put him there in April.
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-...sense-n1240061
If not for the constant maelstrom, Caputo would be a huge scandal. As you suggest, he's a stark raving mad CTist ala Roger Stone. And like quite a number of Trump appointees, he's not qualified for the job in any way, shape or form.

Just by virtue of not being frothing anti-science nuts, most of us here would be far more qualified.
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Lincoln Project is on a roll.

Three messages:
1. you've (this one to is directed at Trump personally) spent bigly on the campaign and has to throw in his own money now.
2. it's not working. You're still losing.
3. oh, and lest you forget from our previous ad, your own people are still corrupt and embezzling campaign money.

I don't have metrics on how effective they are, but I just love these ads. It's like they know exactly how to get to him. Also love the use of a condescending female speaker for the *****-grabber in chief .
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The 2020 election is literally a matter of life and death. We urge you to vote for health, science and Joe Biden for President.
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Scientific American Tweeted

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Scientific American has never endorsed a presidential candidate in our 175-year historyóuntil now.
The 2020 election is literally a matter of life and death. We urge you to vote for health, science and Joe Biden for President.
https://scientificamerican.com/artic...ses-joe-biden/
That speaks volumes. Sadly, to Trump supporters it says "Those Godless elitist scientists are trying to take down President Trump. Caputo is right!"
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Old 15th September 2020, 11:39 AM   #316
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I got a low resolution poll that includes information on the undecided voter.

Quote:
Dead Heat In Sunshine by Florida Atlantic University

Biden hold a 49% to 46% lead in the ballot test with 5% undecided.
Those undecided voters are breaking for Trump 4:1 resulting in a statistical
tie at 50% each. About 9% of voters said there is a chance they will change
their mind while the other 91% said they will definitely stick with their choice.
97% of Trump voters and 94% of Biden voters say they will not change their
minds.

I kept wondering, if you consider yourself liberal, then how could you not
know the president or his actions. Likewise, I expected the removal of certain
elements from the Republican Party reflects the inability to change their vote.

Big minus with this poll: A size ten times too small to detect third party voters.
I can only hope turn out remains small as in the Moore scenario.


I'm looking at the this survey on Rights And Responsibilities by Harvard University.
Surprised that the right to bare arms and BLT rights came in so low in importance.
I expected higher numbers from all the media coverage.
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Old 15th September 2020, 12:05 PM   #317
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Originally Posted by Solitaire View Post
I got a low resolution poll that includes information on the undecided voter.




I kept wondering, if you consider yourself liberal, then how could you not
know the president or his actions. Likewise, I expected the removal of certain
elements from the Republican Party reflects the inability to change their vote.

Big minus with this poll: A size ten times too small to detect third party voters.
I can only hope turn out remains small as in the Moore scenario.


I'm looking at the this survey on Rights And Responsibilities by Harvard University.
Surprised that the right to bare arms and BLT rights came in so low in importance.
I expected higher numbers from all the media coverage.
So am I. People are usually pretty strong on their opinions on being able to cover their arms or not and on their bacon, lettuce and tomato sandwiches.
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Old 15th September 2020, 04:25 PM   #318
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How badly is your campaign going if you’re resorting to accusing your opponent of taking performance enhancing drugs?

Trump War Room tweeted

Trump War Room - Text TRUMP to 88022
@TrumpWarRoom
Joe Biden does NOT deny he is taking performance enhancing drugs
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Old 15th September 2020, 04:53 PM   #319
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
How badly is your campaign going if youíre resorting to accusing your opponent of taking performance enhancing drugs?

Trump War Room tweeted

Trump War Room - Text TRUMP to 88022
@TrumpWarRoom
Joe Biden does NOT deny he is taking performance enhancing drugs
On the other hand, Donald is NOT denying he is taking anti-paranoid schizophrenic drugs.
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Old 15th September 2020, 05:20 PM   #320
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Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper View Post
Lincoln Project is on a roll.

Three messages:
1. you've (this one to is directed at Trump personally) spent bigly on the campaign and has to throw in his own money now.
2. it's not working. You're still losing.
3. oh, and lest you forget from our previous ad, your own people are still corrupt and embezzling campaign money.

I don't have metrics on how effective they are, but I just love these ads. It's like they know exactly how to get to him. Also love the use of a condescending female speaker for the *****-grabber in chief .
I'm not sure how effective this would be against Trump. I watched and came away unimpressed. I had high hopes though! They could have done it way better.

Clinton outspent Trump by over a billion and she should have benefited by the RNC not being behind their own candidate until very late in the game.
Do you think that Trump needs to pay for more media exposure than his opponent this time? I don't think that is true for a campaign like his.

Trump is already President and so he actually could spend LESS this time around. He has the most free media of anyone on the planet.
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