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Old 24th May 2022, 03:24 PM   #81
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
I wonder how many of the obvious "warning signs" will have been ignored?
Originally Posted by Craig4 View Post
What in the actual **** could possibly make you conclude that we're every going to get better at identifying warning signs? How could anyone believe that the solution here is millions of people being educated on and always watching for "warning signs"?

Here's a ******* warning sign, he's 18 and has a weapon of war or easy access to it. What could an 18 year old need unrestricted access to an assault rifle for?

I didn't conclude anything. I simply posed the question.
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Old 24th May 2022, 03:24 PM   #82
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
Well, it is Texas. Maybe some of the kids had Republican parents who would have raised them Republican. I mean, if you think killing Republicans is the answer and all, I guess there is your silver lining.

Personally, I don't think shooting people is the answer.
Not voting for Republicans is the answer as they are a major part of the problem.
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Old 24th May 2022, 03:24 PM   #83
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
Yawn. I feel a lot more outrage about the fact that it takes something like this to get people loudly dramatic. There are so many mass shootings and killings that people just ignore. But when a group of kids get shot up, suddenly murder matters. The life of those kids isn't worth any more than the those of any of the people who are shot on a daily basis in this country.

Of course, the last body can barely hit the floor before some politicians and their supporters are using it as a political platform. Every time.
fascinating how they are all shot, aint it?
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Old 24th May 2022, 03:25 PM   #84
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Well, watching the coverage, the school looks mostly Hispanic. So does the shooter. So calm down, no change in gun regulation is necessary. Problem like this can be easily solved by taller wall.
/sarcasm
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Originally Posted by Mike! View Post
No link, so take it for what it's worth, but I thought I heard he took the guns his grandmother had, I'm guessing right before he killed her.
If true, another datum in the piling statistics that tell us that merely possessing a firearm increases the chance of being shot. Having no guns is safer, in terms of dying by the gun, than having them.
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Old 24th May 2022, 03:28 PM   #86
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
I was responding to a political rant about Republicans. And yes, it happens every time a mass shooting occurs. I'm pretty sure nobody broached politics until that gem was posted. I'm sure we'll get to hear plenty more from the politicians.
Blah, blah, blah....this IS a political problem: it's the GOP that fights against stricter gun laws and you know it. But, true to form, you just have to defend the GOP no matter what.
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Old 24th May 2022, 03:29 PM   #87
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
I didn't conclude anything. I simply posed the question.
How brave of you.
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Which is exactly what you are doing right now.

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
Tell me about it.
I suspect you agree with me that the mods should reconsider there "Racist posts are OK as long as they don;t get personal" stand.
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The Texas AG is a piece of work.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Paxton

In most states , even Red ones, he would have been gotten rid of a long time ago just on the corruption alone, , but not Texas.
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Originally Posted by Dr.Sid View Post
Well, watching the coverage, the school looks mostly Hispanic. So does the shooter. So calm down, no change in gun regulation is necessary. Problem like this can be easily solved by taller wall.
/sarcasm
And, who cares if a bunch of greasers kill each other? This is Texas, remember?
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Originally Posted by Craig4 View Post
What in the actual **** could possibly make you conclude that we're every going to get better at identifying warning signs? How could anyone believe that the solution here is millions of people being educated on and always watching for "warning signs"?

Here's a ******* warning sign, he's 18 and has a weapon of war or easy access to it. What could an 18 year old need unrestricted access to an assault rifle for?
What does ANYONE outside of the military and law enforcement need an assault or assault style weapon for?
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Originally Posted by mgidm86 View Post
These idiots seem to have forgotten that an armed ex cop tried to take out a shooter recently. Problem is that the shooter had body armor. The security guard got off some shots and DIED ANYWAYS.

Arm teachers? **** you Texas.

Dude, an elementary school. Wear those NRA hats proudly, you ignorant ********. Every gawdamn one of you.
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Originally Posted by Lurch View Post
If true, another datum in the piling statistics that tell us that merely possessing a firearm increases the chance of being shot. Having no guns is safer, in terms of dying by the gun, than having them.
I know this from personal family history.
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Stop posting their ******* names and faces! They should undergo Damnatio memoriae.
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The Texas Attorney General needs to go sit in the corner and play hide and go **** himself. I won't link the ****'s tweets.
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The Texas Attorney General needs to go sit in the corner and play hide and go **** himself. I won't link the ****'s tweets.
To me, an attorney general being under indictment for corruption and sitll holding office is just incredible.
But then this is Texas.
God, I despise that state.
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Stop posting their ******* names and faces! They should undergo Damnatio memoriae.
I'm saying it since 500 mass shooting ago.
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And the bigots will make a big deal out of the shooter being Hispanic. you know that is coming.
Homicidal maniacs come in all colors, sadly.
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And the bigots will make a big deal out of the shooter being Hispanic. you know that is coming.
Homicidal maniacs come in all colors, sadly.
He was a citizen so I assume born here.

Not that that will matter to the bigots.
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EIGHTEEN CHILDREN and TWO ADULTS now dead. The shooter bought the weapons, two assault weapons, legally.
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EIGHTEEN CHILDREN and TWO ADULTS now dead. The shooter bought the weapons, two assault weapons, legally.
I'm not seeing that on my sources, do you have a source please?
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At least 21 dead including 18 children, according to this tweet from a journalist.

https://twitter.com/StefSimanowitz/s...44198175657986

This is horrendous. It's worse than Dunblane.

ETA: The BBC is still on 14 children and a teacher, but I think they're just behind the curve.
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None of this is going to stop. We have a political party and a Supreme Court that are hell-bent on burning everything to the ground in the name of a 225-year-old piece of paper and a 2000 year old book that they think gives them the right to do so, and then will pick up what's left after and create the Gilead they want. Then they'll attack China and the Muslim world in the name of Jesus and destroy everything.
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I'm not seeing that on my sources, do you have a source please?
CNN. I'm watching it now.
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CNN. I'm watching it now.
Thank you. Sadly, you were right.
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Thoughts and prayers.
Mental health.
Must we make this about politics now?
Too soon to talk about gun control.
We need to arm teachers.

Have I missed anything?
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I see the BBC is now running with 21 dead, 18 children and three adults. It's definitely worse than Dunblane.

The children were aged between seven and ten.


ETA: Having just checked, I see it's not quite as bad as Sandy Hook, and even if a few more deaths are confirmed it's still going to be about evens with Sandy Hook. Sandy Hook changed nothing. As you were.
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Originally Posted by Dr.Sid View Post
Well, watching the coverage, the school looks mostly Hispanic. So does the shooter. So calm down, no change in gun regulation is necessary. Problem like this can be easily solved by taller wall.
/sarcasm
I think you might be judging this prematurely. We had better wait for Alex Jones to weigh in with his great worldly wisdom.

Then we'll know what to think.
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What does ANYONE outside of the military and law enforcement need an assault or assault style weapon for?
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Texas Lt Gov Dan Patrick on Fox says "We have to harden these targets."
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Thoughts and prayers.
Mental health.
Must we make this about politics now?
Too soon to talk about gun control.
We need to arm teachers.

Have I missed anything?
"Heidi & I are fervently lifting up in prayer the children and families in the horrific shooting in Uvalde."
Ted Cruz


SCREW YOU, Cruz. You're part of the problem.

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Been watching Fox news coverage, just out of curiosity on the spin. Main message is that why don't these elementary schools have armed SRO's at each entrance, with metal detectors. Doesn't seem practical at any level (sure, guns in grade school). "Good guys with a gun."
It's a largely impractical idea at any school, but it's literally impossible at a school like the particular one this shooting happened at.

I went to an elementary school in Texas that was arranged exactly like this. Except for the gymnasium, cafeteria, and office areas, it's not one or two large buildings with internal hallways and a few entrances that can be locked or guarded. Most of the school consists of wings of classrooms and each classroom has its own exterior door. The common walkways are all outside and only covered with an awning.

Except for that office area, the school is for all practical purposes indefensible. And why wouldn't it be? It wasn't built with security from an armed attack in mind.

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I see the BBC is now running with 21 dead, 18 children and three adults. It's definitely worse than Dunblane.

The children were aged between seven and ten.


ETA: Having just checked, I see it's not quite as bad as Sandy Hook, and even if a few more deaths are confirmed it's still going to be about evens with Sandy Hook. Sandy Hook changed nothing. As you were.
Connecticut changed state laws after Sandy Hook. The NRA grip on Congress prevented anything from being done at the federal level.
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Greg Abbott tweet from 2015

"I'm EMBARRASSED: Texas #2 in nation for new gun purchases, behind CALIFORNIA. Let's pick up the pace Texans. @NRA"

https://twitter.com/GregAbbott_TX/st...27797853536256
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To me, an attorney general being under indictment for corruption and sitll holding office is just incredible.
But then this is Texas.
God, I despise that state.
Nothing new. i grew up within walking distance of Boston's James M. Curley estate. A beloved and corrupt Massachusetts politician. Was Boston's Mayor and even state Governor at different times. He was also in federal prison while Mayor.

Nothing new under the Sun.
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None of this is going to stop. We have a political party and a Supreme Court that are hell-bent on burning everything to the ground in the name of a 225-year-old piece of paper and a 2000 year old book that they think gives them the right to do so, and then will pick up what's left after and create the Gilead they want. Then they'll attack China and the Muslim world in the name of Jesus and destroy everything.
A little bit over the top I think.
A. I think it needs some amendments, but I am not read to throw out the Consittuion just yet.
Last sentence is really a bit much.
I expect over the top teenage angst from a teenager, but a grown up should know a little beter.
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Is America the only place that calls Elementary Schools 'targets'?
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A little bit over the top I think.

Probably no more so than someone suggesting that Republicans need to be shot.
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