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Old 21st November 2022, 02:41 PM   #1761
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No, I'm not a neo-Nazi nor any sort of a fascist - https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...ar-right-event - but what a natty badge that is on my shirt sleeve! And I was just trying to learn while standing at the back of the stage at a NBU rally...Yes.it was the words to the Horst Wessell song I was trying to learn: what of it?

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Something has happened to UK exports compared to its peers over the last few years



And Ireland is doing really well
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Something has happened to UK exports compared to its peers over the last few years



And Ireland is doing really well
Thank you we try.

It's almost as if the UK did something monumentally stupid in recent years....
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Old 21st November 2022, 05:43 PM   #1764
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Originally Posted by catsmate View Post
Thank you we try.

It's almost as if the UK did something monumentally stupid in recent years....
Check out the graph of UK business investment before and after 2016 for a *really* clear signal
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Old 22nd November 2022, 12:08 AM   #1765
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Originally Posted by jimbob View Post
Check out the graph of UK business investment before and after 2016 for a *really* clear signal
At least now it's our choice to trail the international pack when it comes to growth and not have growth thrust upon us by the meanies in the EU
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Old 22nd November 2022, 07:42 AM   #1766
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And after 6 years of post-Brexit vote economic underperformance, the UK is continuing to be an economic failure.

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The UK economy will suffer a bigger blow from the global energy crisis than other leading nations, according to international body the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development.

The UK will contract by more than any other nation in the G7 group next year, it said.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-63704841

The UK government's response will me more "austerity" which will be yet another economic brake. They cannot afford to borrow to stimulate the economy because of the chronic economic underperformance since 2010, the economic drag of Brexit, the tens of billions of pounds wasted and or fraudulently obtained thanks to the bungled Covid response and the tens of billions of pounds the UK government will have to borrow to underwrite energy company profits.

At least we're not last in the G20.

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Of the wider group of G20 countries, only Russia, which is subject to economic sanctions, is predicted to fare worse than the UK.
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Better than only Russia. Ouch. That's got to hurt.
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Better than only Russia. Ouch. That's got to hurt.
Australia is predicted to have the 6th highest growth rate. You would never imagine that reading Murdoch or watching Fox, all predicting we are doomed due to Labor.
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Originally Posted by The Don View Post
And after 6 years of post-Brexit vote economic underperformance, the UK is continuing to be an economic failure.



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-63704841

The UK government's response will me more "austerity" which will be yet another economic brake. They cannot afford to borrow to stimulate the economy because of the chronic economic underperformance since 2010, the economic drag of Brexit, the tens of billions of pounds wasted and or fraudulently obtained thanks to the bungled Covid response and the tens of billions of pounds the UK government will have to borrow to underwrite energy company profits.

At least we're not last in the G20.
Thank goodness we have a Tory government now, could you imagine how bad it would be if Labour was in government!
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Old 23rd November 2022, 03:35 AM   #1770
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Thank goodness we have a Tory government now, could you imagine how bad it would be if Labour was in government!
Rishi, is that you?

You missed the assertion that Starmer supported Corbyn in 2019.

Which is a conversation that I don't think Sunak should want to start.
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Old 23rd November 2022, 05:37 AM   #1771
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Meanwhile Owen Paterson (remember him? Ardent Brexiter who hates the ECHR? Lies about dodgy finacial arrangements and lobbying? Doesn't like it when someone tries to make the very well-known rules apply to him? That Owen Paterson) is trying to take a case to - wait for it, wait for it - the ECHR 'cos his privacy was breached or some such other faecal matter. https://www.theguardian.com/politics...bbying-scandal

Can we now also add "well-known hypocrite" to the list of epithets?

Talking of money-grubbing Tories, it transpires that Matt Hancock did actually break some rules in doing I'm A Celebrity... - https://www.theguardian.com/politics...watchdog-chair - but that there isn't any point trying to sanction him. Not to mention that Hancock's "people" don't think that taking money in order to go and do some things constitutes employment...
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Old 23rd November 2022, 06:21 AM   #1772
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Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King View Post
Meanwhile Owen Paterson (remember him? Ardent Brexiter who hates the ECHR? Lies about dodgy finacial arrangements and lobbying? Doesn't like it when someone tries to make the very well-known rules apply to him? That Owen Paterson) is trying to take a case to - wait for it, wait for it - the ECHR 'cos his privacy was breached or some such other faecal matter. https://www.theguardian.com/politics...bbying-scandal

Can we now also add "well-known hypocrite" to the list of epithets?

Talking of money-grubbing Tories, it transpires that Matt Hancock did actually break some rules in doing I'm A Celebrity... - https://www.theguardian.com/politics...watchdog-chair - but that there isn't any point trying to sanction him. Not to mention that Hancock's "people" don't think that taking money in order to go and do some things constitutes employment...
As long as you can live with yourself (and doubtless there are still a few MPs with some scruples who couldn't live with themselves) then you can break the rules as long as you brazen things out afterwards.

In the past when politicians would resign once malfeasance had been found, it was almost always the cover up that did for them rather than the initial offence. Today's politicians have learned that if you're open about things, there is no cover up and you can continue to break the rules (almost) without consequence.
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A Tory MP asks Suella Braverman what is the safe and legal route for an asylum seeker who has a genuine claim for asylum and a relative already legally in the UK, from a hypothetical African country...and she has no idea. That is because there is no safe and legal route which is why people resort to human trafficking and small boats across the Channel.

https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status...62008072863746
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Old 23rd November 2022, 11:28 AM   #1774
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What money? I don't know anything about any money...

Oh. That money...

Errrrrrr, can I say that it was just resting in that offshore trust of which I just happen to be benficiary? And that it has nothing to do with any PPE contracts that I really, really did not lobby for? Can I say that?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...-lane-ppe-firm

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Old 23rd November 2022, 11:40 AM   #1775
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A Tory MP asks Suella Braverman what is the safe and legal route for an asylum seeker who has a genuine claim for asylum and a relative already legally in the UK, from a hypothetical African country...and she has no idea. That is because there is no safe and legal route which is why people resort to human trafficking and small boats across the Channel.

https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status...62008072863746
Fair play to Tim Loughton.
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Fair play to Tim Loughton.
Having heard that on Radio 4, he did make her look very daft.
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Having heard that on Radio 4, he did make her look very daft.
He did, but she's pandering to the racists in her party (and may very well be one herself) so sadly it doesn't really matter.
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Well thank goodness we have "control over our borders" and immigration is back under control.

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Well thank goodness we have "control over our borders" and immigration is back under control.



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63743259
If the last government had prioritised this we wouldn't be in such a mess now, but fear not your new government will do exactly the same as the old one did but this time it will be different!
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I noticed that the government has now cleared out Manston asylum seeker reception centre, after a man died there. How anyone thinks Braverman is at all competent after the Select Committee hearing when she confirmed there were no safe routes for migrants claiming asylum. (One tabloid newspaper had the headline 'Illegal Migrant dies at Manston'; it just shows how deliberately inflammatory they are when at that point he had not yet been assessed as 'illegal'.) Add that to the fact Braverman more or less admitted in Parliament that she deliberately refused to move anyone out of Manston (when it reached over four times its capacity) because she objected to their being accommodated in hotels. Cue tabloid campaign about all these fancy hotels having to house migrants, etcetera, when the truth is, hotels have always been used to accommodate homeless families. Places like Ibis, Travel Lodge, etcetera, horrible nasty places yet few are less than the reported £160 a night, which I think is likely an exaggerated figure.

Clearly, Braverman was told to clean up her act. There is no way she made the decision herself given her far right views of migrants being scum.
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Oh look - https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...-michelle-mone - yet more gubbmint minsters conducting official business on personal e-mail accounts and up to their oxters in dodgy finances.

And one of them just happens to be Govey Govey Govey! Off yer face on the marching powder, eh Mikey?
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Well thank goodness we have "control over our borders" and immigration is back under control.



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63743259
Funny thing is, that doesn't include the (blip on the graph that is the) 34,000 people who've crossed the Channel in boats. You know, those people who our government think are such a threat that stopping them is #1 priority as we plunge into recession.
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Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King View Post
Oh look - https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...-michelle-mone - yet more gubbmint minsters conducting official business on personal e-mail accounts and up to their oxters in dodgy finances.

And one of them just happens to be Govey Govey Govey! Off yer face on the marching powder, eh Mikey?
Yeah Jo Maugham has been pointing out on Twitter that the BBC et al seem not to have noticed this story and indeed the Guardian (with that on its front page) seems missing from the "What the papers say"
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Funny thing is, that doesn't include the (blip on the graph that is the) 34,000 people who've crossed the Channel in boats. You know, those people who our government think are such a threat that stopping them is #1 priority as we plunge into recession.
Looking at the net figure of >500,000 puts the 40,000 people arriving by dinghy into perspective.
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Yeah Jo Maugham has been pointing out on Twitter that the BBC et al seem not to have noticed this story and indeed the Guardian (with that on its front page) seems missing from the "What the papers say"
The story has been running for a while. It's amazing Sunak made a decision to just write off the billions of pounds of defrauded PPE money. Maybe it's because his wife made a claim for furloughed staff, despite getting £10m in dividends.
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Yeah Jo Maugham has been pointing out on Twitter that the BBC et al seem not to have noticed this story and indeed the Guardian (with that on its front page) seems missing from the "What the papers say"
Yeah, as Vixen notes, this one has been running for a while - I've been following chunks at the Graun - but the Beeb have been singularly quiet about it...
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What money? I don't know anything about any money...

Oh. That money...

Errrrrrr, can I say that it was just resting in that offshore trust of which I just happen to be benficiary? And that it has nothing to do with any PPE contracts that I really, really did not lobby for? Can I say that?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...-lane-ppe-firm

ETA https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...v-what-we-know
So Mone's going the Fr Ted route.
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Do we need more examples of how unrealistic, not to mention money-grubbing and self-serving the "thinking" of a number of Tory MPs is?

Oh, go on then - https://www.theguardian.com/politics...lare-intention.

Key quotes: "Another MP said that they expected a number of colleagues to depart now they realised there was no longer a prospect of serving in government. “There are colleagues who have been passed over for ministerial jobs for years and now it’s getting to the point where they won’t serve – in which case, why stay?” one minister put it bluntly."

"Others are concerned about Keir Starmer cracking down on MPs having second, often lucrative, jobs in addition to their parliamentary work. “You need to bear in mind that if we stay on and end up in opposition, the Labour government is likely to get really tough on second jobs,” one said."

"Many have convinced themselves that life on the outside would be easier. “Even if the job was not that high-profile or interesting, I could earn three times as much and still spend all weekend at home with my kids,” one minister said."

FFS!
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Do we need more examples of how unrealistic, not to mention money-grubbing and self-serving the "thinking" of a number of Tory MPs is?

Oh, go on then - https://www.theguardian.com/politics...lare-intention.

Key quotes: "Another MP said that they expected a number of colleagues to depart now they realised there was no longer a prospect of serving in government. “There are colleagues who have been passed over for ministerial jobs for years and now it’s getting to the point where they won’t serve – in which case, why stay?” one minister put it bluntly."

"Others are concerned about Keir Starmer cracking down on MPs having second, often lucrative, jobs in addition to their parliamentary work. “You need to bear in mind that if we stay on and end up in opposition, the Labour government is likely to get really tough on second jobs,” one said."

"Many have convinced themselves that life on the outside would be easier. “Even if the job was not that high-profile or interesting, I could earn three times as much and still spend all weekend at home with my kids,” one minister said."

FFS!
Calling Dunning and Kruger, calling Dunning and Kruger.....

Maybe a couple of the higher profile ex-ministers may be able to pull down that kind of money but with no prospect of being able to influence government spending decisions, they'll be of much less value to businesses.
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Yeah, as Vixen notes, this one has been running for a while - I've been following chunks at the Graun - but the Beeb have been singularly quiet about it...
They are still smarting over the Cliff Richard affair. Plus they do not want to upset the government.
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Do we need more examples of how unrealistic, not to mention money-grubbing and self-serving the "thinking" of a number of Tory MPs is?

Oh, go on then - https://www.theguardian.com/politics...lare-intention.

Key quotes: "Another MP said that they expected a number of colleagues to depart now they realised there was no longer a prospect of serving in government. “There are colleagues who have been passed over for ministerial jobs for years and now it’s getting to the point where they won’t serve – in which case, why stay?” one minister put it bluntly."

"Others are concerned about Keir Starmer cracking down on MPs having second, often lucrative, jobs in addition to their parliamentary work. “You need to bear in mind that if we stay on and end up in opposition, the Labour government is likely to get really tough on second jobs,” one said."

"Many have convinced themselves that life on the outside would be easier. “Even if the job was not that high-profile or interesting, I could earn three times as much and still spend all weekend at home with my kids,” one minister said."

FFS!
I would also like to see them cracking down on giving jobs to family members. It cannot be ethical that Nadine Dorries paid her two daughters £88,000 out of taxpayers money when I doubt they were even occupied full-time. Plus all the MP's who hire their wives as secretaries. Time for some accountability and transparency. Johnson wanting to get Carrie a £100K Head of Comms job is quite normal behaviour, it seems. (In the end he had to settle for a role for her at the Conservative Party HQ, paid for by them).
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The Tories are panicking about immigration, so they decide to restrict the number of students coming to the UK, which will hit the university budgets hard.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-63757889
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Old 25th November 2022, 10:40 AM   #1793
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Originally Posted by The Don View Post
Calling Dunning and Kruger, calling Dunning and Kruger.....

Maybe a couple of the higher profile ex-ministers may be able to pull down that kind of money but with no prospect of being able to influence government spending decisions, they'll be of much less value to businesses.
I'm assuming they'll be relying on the Old School Tie more than their experience & business acumen.
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And more corruption - https://www.theguardian.com/politics...pite-crackdown

Note how many "jobs" are either with party donors or else in industries for which someone had been a minister; note also Cox's totally self-serving, pompous (well, it is Cox) "justification".

And this is all from folk who trumpet how they serve their constituents and serve the public, all while earning twice what I did as a senior nurse and on expenses I could only dream about (FFS, my supposed mileage money did not cover the actual miles I drove for work) and who get golden handshakes when resigning or sacked from ministerial posts, which does not happen to normal public sector workers.

Corrupt shysters, the lot of them.
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