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Old 28th October 2022, 01:19 PM   #201
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It's already started. Civil War for the US won't be a war in the traditional sense but ongoing terrorism, guerilla attacks, etc from lone individuals and various loosely affiliated groups spurred by the violent rhetoric of their political and cultural leaders. All of this is already taking place and will slowly continue to ramp up.
Been hearing such talk for decades. It never happens.
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Old 28th October 2022, 01:27 PM   #202
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Been hearing such talk for decades. It never happens.
Yeah it's not like we just a coup attempt or anything like that.
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Old 28th October 2022, 01:35 PM   #203
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Yeah it's not like we just a coup attempt or anything like that.
And since then? Just the normal regular mass shootings.
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And since then? Just the normal regular mass shootings.
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Jesus Christ do you get a booklet "101 Dumbest Flexes" when you register Republican?
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I suppose things would be worse if the right wing terrorists weren't abject imbeciles.
When he [Geyer, attorney] met Kenneth Harrelson [Oathkeeper on trial] more than a year ago, Geyer said, the Oath Keepers member hardly knew of the institutions or processes involved in the certification of the 2020 election.

"He didn't know there was a House of Representatives and a Senate. He didn't know anything about the Electoral College," Geyer said, adding that Harrelson thought at the time it was a place where "politicians went to get educated or whatever."

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Old 4th November 2022, 01:36 PM   #207
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Originally Posted by varwoche View Post
I suppose things would be worse if the right wing terrorists weren't abject imbeciles.
When he [Geyer, attorney] met Kenneth Harrelson [Oathkeeper on trial] more than a year ago, Geyer said, the Oath Keepers member hardly knew of the institutions or processes involved in the certification of the 2020 election.

"He didn't know there was a House of Representatives and a Senate. He didn't know anything about the Electoral College," Geyer said, adding that Harrelson thought at the time it was a place where "politicians went to get educated or whatever."

Sadly, I doubt he's far from the only American not to have a clue how our government works. I'd bet most couldn't name the three branches of government.

Hell, SENATOR Tommy Tuberville, R- Ala. couldn't: “Our government wasn’t set up for one group to have all three branches of government — wasn’t set up that way. You know, the House, the Senate, and the executive.
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Old 4th November 2022, 05:11 PM   #208
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I suppose things would be worse if the right wing terrorists weren't abject imbeciles.
When he [Geyer, attorney] met Kenneth Harrelson [Oathkeeper on trial] more than a year ago, Geyer said, the Oath Keepers member hardly knew of the institutions or processes involved in the certification of the 2020 election.

"He didn't know there was a House of Representatives and a Senate. He didn't know anything about the Electoral College," Geyer said, adding that Harrelson thought at the time it was a place where "politicians went to get educated or whatever."

So they don't know anything about the Constituion they claim to be defending.
Typical.
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A junior high school friend of mine joined up with the Oath Keepers at one point. IIRC at the time it was based on the vague idea that an ultra-liberal Executive branch would try to overthrow the country by force--the whole FEMA Camps, blue hat door-to-door gun confiscation, that kinda stuff. And that they would resist orders to take arms against their fellow Americans.

At the time I didn't think much of it because I figured their galvanizing event would never occur and they could go and play guns with each other all they wanted. As far as militia rhetoric went, theirs was pretty tame. Seemed to be an "in case" group rather than one that already considered itself at war with the government.

My friend passed away a few years before Trump's 2016 candidacy. I wonder what he would think of the organization today. I could tell he leaned right but he wasn't as obnoxious about it as even what I was seeing at the time.
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Probably would have been pulled down that rabbit hole.
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Probably would have been pulled down that rabbit hole.
He would have been vulnerable to it. I think I would have made a special effort to try and keep him from slipping too far.

Then again, I tried that with another friend and though it didn't end hostile, eventually they disconnected from talking about it and unfriended on social media. Frustrated by fact checks, became convinced that the truth was too difficult to sort out with any reliability so might as well pick something to believe without much questioning. We'd probably still be friendly if we met in person.
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Old 5th November 2022, 10:28 AM   #212
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The FBI and DHS released their Strategic Intelligence Assessment and Data on
Domestic Terrorism
report last month.

My summary of the info

- Domestic terrorism is rising. In 2020 there were 1,400 pending investigations and 180 arrests. In 2021 there were 2,700 pending investigations and 800 arrests. The increase is in part due to the events of Jan 6th, but even without that the numbers are rising and they expect they will continue to rise over the coming years.

- Apendix A lists significant domestic terrorism events from 2020 and 2021 and they were mostly from those expressing white superiority and other far right ideology.

- The greatest domestic terrorism threats come from lone individuals and small groups expressing white superiority but that politically motivated domestic terrorism is on the rise due to recent developments such as the constant lies about election fraud and the events of Jan 6th.
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Originally Posted by The_Animus View Post
The FBI and DHS released their Strategic Intelligence Assessment and Data on
Domestic Terrorism
report last month.


My summary of the info

- Domestic terrorism is rising. In 2020 there were 1,400 pending investigations and 180 arrests. In 2021 there were 2,700 pending investigations and 800 arrests. The increase is in part due to the events of Jan 6th, but even without that the numbers are rising and they expect they will continue to rise over the coming years.

- Apendix A lists significant domestic terrorism events from 2020 and 2021 and they were mostly from those expressing white superiority and other far right ideology.

- The greatest domestic terrorism threats come from lone individuals and small groups expressing white superiority but that politically motivated domestic terrorism is on the rise due to recent developments such as the constant lies about election fraud and the events of Jan 6th.
The report was RIGGED!
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The report was RIGGED!
"Its a witch hunt against the 'Good People (on both sides)' of the American Socialist White-People's Party! (ASsWhiPe)*. Those thieves and crooks, the Fake News Media, put the FBI and DHS up to it, they're all radical left socialist, commie Democrats!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

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Looks like we have another MAGA fueled domestic terrorism incident. This time a mass shooting at a gay bar in Colorado. The culprit is the grandson of outgoing California Republican State Assemblymember Randy Voepel who compared the Jan 6th hearings to the Revolutionary War.

https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2022/11/...-insurrection/

It sounds like he may have had some mental health issues and the investigation is ongoing but it's looking like a hate crime. I can't imagine where that hateful rhetoric might have come from.

My guess is the next event will be related to the big lie election conspiracies.
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Looks like we have another MAGA fueled domestic terrorism incident. This time a mass shooting at a gay bar in Colorado. The culprit is the grandson of outgoing California Republican State Assemblymember Randy Voepel who compared the Jan 6th hearings to the Revolutionary War.

https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2022/11/...-insurrection/

It sounds like he may have had some mental health issues and the investigation is ongoing but it's looking like a hate crime. I can't imagine where that hateful rhetoric might have come from.

My guess is the next event will be related to the big lie election conspiracies.
The club was also featured on the Twitter account 'Libs of Tictok', famous for doxing and setting the deplorables on lgbtq (but especially the t) friendly people and places. The channel followers often send mass death and bomb threats to places like children's hospitals on the premise that those places castrate children. They set them on teachers for not being anti-lgbtq. And they set them on this place for having drag events for families.

Like MTG and L-Bo were just tweeting about being threats to children.

These mainstream GOP heavyweights tell the public that liberals and non-straight people are a direct danger to children just by existing. They point at specific people and places (again, like children's hospitals), and pretend that they aren't directing terrorism at them.

Violence like this is getting more and more of the GOP base talking about how good it is, how it is a shame the body count wasn't higher, and a ton of normalizing jokes. Political terrorism is becoming mainstream GOP tactic.

I don't have the link handy here, but one of the people who stopped the gunman is Richard Fierro, a fifteen year combat vet. He said,

Quote:
"I grabbed the gun out of his hand and just started hitting him over the head, over and over."

A drag dancer came over and started stomping on the gunman with her high heels. When the police arrived the attacker was no longer struggling and Mr. Fierro was worried he had killed the man.
Mr. Fierro was there with his daughter, whose girlfriend is sadly one of the people murdered.

I don't know how much the CT will be spun around this one besides accusing the gunman of actually being gay. The mask isn't as useful as it was. The GOP is more and more open about calling for blood and being ok with it.

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Oh, I'm sure we'll be hearing from the usual sources how it's all a "mental health" issue and the violent, anti-anything-but-straight rhetoric has absolutely nothing to do with it.
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Oh, I'm sure we'll be hearing from the usual sources how it's all a "mental health" issue and the violent, anti-anything-but-straight rhetoric has absolutely nothing to do with it.
Or, we won't be hearing from them at all because the shooter being "the grandson of outgoing California Republican State Assembly member Randy Voepel who compared the Jan 6th hearings to the Revolutionary War" pretty much seals the deal that its MAGA fueled.

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Oh, I'm sure we'll be hearing from the usual sources how it's all a "mental health" issue and the violent, anti-anything-but-straight rhetoric has absolutely nothing to do with it.
It's actually the silent Civil War, been trying too tell everyone about it for over a decade now but no one Listening so why bother? Both sides using idiots too fight it with conspiracy theorists on both sides ramping up the hate.
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It's actually the silent Civil War, been trying too tell everyone about it for over a decade now but no one Listening so why bother? Both sides using idiots too fight it with conspiracy theorists on both sides ramping up the hate.
Both sides?
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Both sides?
Yes, on one side you have fringe elements that no one in the mainstream listens to or takes seriously, and on the other side you Trump, a significant number of Republican elected officials, and Fox News.

Totally the same thing.
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Like MTG and L-Bo were just tweeting about being threats to children.
"L-Bo" took me a moment. I like it.
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"L-Bo" took me a moment. I like it.
I couldn't be bothered to look up how to spell her name, and that is what she is sharp as.
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His lawyers are going with rainbow on rainbow:

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The public defenders for the suspect in the mass shooting at a Colorado Springs LGBTQ nightclub said in a Tuesday night court filing obtained by a New York Times reporter that their client is non-binary and uses they/them pronouns.
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They better have something to back that up.
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They better have something to back that up.
What sort of proof do you require?
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Internet/message history, friends & family testimony etc. should be easy to get here.
Seems smells like ****** lawyers thinking they've stumbled on a Cheat Code.
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What sort of proof do you require?
Testimony from men he's ****** would be a start!
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They better have something to back that up.
You don't accept self-identification? That sounds really hateful. Uber-gender-fluidity is a thing. Nobody needs to prove their authentic self, even if it can change from one moment to the next.
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You don't accept self-identification? That sounds really hateful. Uber-gender-fluidity is a thing. Nobody needs to prove their authentic self, even if it can change from one moment to the next.
Just like you can convert from being a White supremacist to devout Jew on your way to the jail cell after shooting up synagogue.


IDC what he identifies NOW, I want to know his motivation when he started the shooting. It's still a hate crime even if he doesn't hate anymore.
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Both sides?
Actually you have people on both sides that have an interest in Throwing Gasoline on the Fire, just one side is a little harder too fool than the other.
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Actually you have people on both sides that have an interest in Throwing Gasoline on the Fire, just one side is a little harder too fool than the other.
If there's one leftist and a thousand fascists trying to fan the fire, would you say that both sides are at fault?
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Yes, on one side you have fringe elements that no one in the mainstream listens to or takes seriously, and on the other side you Trump, a significant number of Republican elected officials, and Fox News.

Totally the same thing.
Trump simply kept the Message simple, for the 30% of simpleton in the GQP, but he didn't start the craziness in the GQP, he just took advantage of it. On the other side you have more intouch and better Educated people not easily motivated to Group think or Group action.
Being more diverse means that Democrats are less likely to Join into a Primary block that can influence how the Canidates are Chosen in the Primary. So less nuts find their way into leadership positions.
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IDC what he identifies NOW, I want to know his motivation when he started the shooting. It's still a hate crime even if he doesn't hate anymore.
I too want to know his motivation, but they are at the moment an unknown. We have not had any claims from either him or authorities. A lot of people have assumed his motivations without any real evidence.
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Originally Posted by uke2se View Post
If there's one leftist and a thousand fascists trying to fan the fire, would you say that both sides are at fault?
No but at different Times I have seen both sides falling for the same Propaganda and both sides going nuts. Right now it's the R's Tomorrow it could be the D's.
What we need is logical responsible people on both sides, good luck with that never seems to actually happen these days.
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Old 23rd November 2022, 07:41 AM   #236
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Originally Posted by Crazy Chainsaw View Post
No but at different Times I have seen both sides falling for the same Propaganda and both sides going nuts. Right now it's the R's Tomorrow it could be the D's.
What we need is logical responsible people on both sides, good luck with that never seems to actually happen these days.
We have never seen one of the parties attempt a coup. And we have never seen one of the parties unabashedly embrace violent extremism.

This is false equivalency that minimizes the unprecedented events that we're experiencing.
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Originally Posted by Crazy Chainsaw View Post
Trump simply kept the Message simple, for the 30% of simpleton in the GQP, but he didn't start the craziness in the GQP, he just took advantage of it. On the other side you have more intouch and better Educated people not easily motivated to Group think or Group action.
Being more diverse means that Democrats are less likely to Join into a Primary block that can influence how the Canidates are Chosen in the Primary. So less nuts find their way into leadership positions.
So not the same at all then, thanks.
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Originally Posted by Crazy Chainsaw View Post
No but at different Times I have seen both sides falling for the same Propaganda and both sides going nuts. Right now it's the R's Tomorrow it could be the D's.
What we need is logical responsible people on both sides, good luck with that never seems to actually happen these days.
My money is on it continuing to be the R’s tomorrow. And the day after that. And the day after that. And the day after that…
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Old 23rd November 2022, 08:49 AM   #239
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Originally Posted by Crazy Chainsaw View Post
What we need is logical responsible people on both sides, good luck with that never seems to actually happen these days.
The Democrats are fair and logical to the point that they will sacrifice political expediency to maintain that.

A person who claims to be a centrist and isn't fully supporting the Democratic Party isn't a centrist and either fooling themselves or trying to fool other people.
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Originally Posted by Brainster View Post
His lawyers are going with rainbow on rainbow:
I don't know that it matters, there are a significant amount of non-hetero MAGA supporters that hate the LGBTQ+ community. It's just like there are plenty of people of color that support MAGA white supremacy.
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