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Old 22nd November 2022, 10:53 AM   #121
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Originally Posted by Reformed Offlian View Post
I thought Peterson's whole thing was that the doctor who performed the surgery was the baddie here, and not Page?
No he went after Page in a horrific way too.

PS and anyway, just going after the doctor is an implicit statement that Elliot Page doesn't have the maturity/mental capacity to make their own decisions regarding gender identity.

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Old 22nd November 2022, 01:37 PM   #122
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Originally Posted by Reformed Offlian View Post
I thought Peterson's whole thing was that the doctor who performed the surgery was the baddie here, and not Page?
Peterson isn't noted for consistency.

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Elliot Page had surgery that seems to work and work for he/she/them.
Peterson no doubt argues this is an unusually good outcome and recommends do not try it yourself.
Thus freedom of speech and the unbanning.

What has a transman undergoing, voluntarily, surgery to do with your claim of 'promotion of female butchery"
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Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle View Post
No he went after Page in a horrific way too.

PS and anyway, just going after the doctor is an implicit statement that Elliot Page doesn't have the maturity/mental capacity to make their own decisions regarding gender identity.
Pretty typical for JP.
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Old 22nd November 2022, 01:41 PM   #124
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Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle View Post
No he went after Page in a horrific way too.
I sometimes wonder if the way he fixates on Page specifically, of all the transgender individuals there are to aim his abuse at, is revealing. My suspicion is that Peterson likely had a thing for Page pre-transition, making his fury in their case more personal.
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Old 22nd November 2022, 02:49 PM   #125
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Maybe he is thinking to discourage mastectomies such as one Boston hospital has performed recently on 67 girls and young women.
Maybe he is thinking of the adage act in haste, repent at leisure.
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Originally Posted by Samson View Post
Maybe he is thinking to discourage mastectomies such as one Boston hospital has performed recently on 67 girls and young women.
Maybe he is thinking of the adage act in haste, repent at leisure.
A google search of "Boston Hospital 67 mastectomies" brings up exactly **** and all. You got something to support this? I'm interested because if 1 hospital did 67 of them recently, that is insanely fast turnover.
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Old 22nd November 2022, 08:50 PM   #128
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Originally Posted by plague311 View Post
A google search of "Boston Hospital 67 mastectomies" brings up exactly **** and all. You got something to support this? I'm interested because if 1 hospital did 67 of them recently, that is insanely fast turnover.
It's from the brigadeing that libsoftiktok directs.

They lie about children's hospitals and doctors at them, and get their mainstream GOP followers to call in a ton of death and bomb threats. Children's surgeries and cancer treatments keep being interrupted because of it.

Entirely on the premise that these places follow the guidelines of almost every major medical organization on earth and provided gender affirming care, which the GOP types assumes means castration.

No, seriously. They think these hospitals castrate children. Based on statements from them, deceptively edited, that they follow the standards of care.

'Grooming' is now doctors not being stupidly anti-trans.
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Originally Posted by Checkmite View Post
I sometimes wonder if the way he fixates on Page specifically, of all the transgender individuals there are to aim his abuse at, is revealing. My suspicion is that Peterson likely had a thing for Page pre-transition, making his fury in their case more personal.

I doubt that is it. More likely, because it is very high profile transgender.

I don't get the hate for Peterson, tbh. I have rarely heard him say anything that I consider factually suspect. But I don't follow him too closely, either.
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Old 22nd November 2022, 09:41 PM   #130
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
That is what happened with L Ron Hubbard. He started Scientology as a scam, and but came to actually beleive the crap he was spouting.
Do you really think Hubbard ever believed it? Or did he say, WTF, these rubes keep sending me the dough, let's keep making up levels?

As for Peterson, he's mostly selling the Bible overall, but not in the hard-sell come to Jesus sense but in the "there are eternal truths" sense.
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Do you really think Hubbard ever believed it? Or did he say, WTF, these rubes keep sending me the dough and dumb young women, let's keep making up levels?
Ayup. Grifting 101.

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As for Peterson, he's mostly selling the Bible overall, but not in the hard-sell come to Jesus sense but in the "there are eternal truths" sense.
As long as they pay him, he will sell his stinking crap to them wrapped in a pseudo-psychological cloak.
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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander View Post
As long as they pay him, he will sell his stinking crap to them wrapped in a pseudo-psychological cloak.

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Peterson then returned to the University of Alberta and received a BA in psychology in 1984. In 1985, he moved to Montreal to attend McGill University. He earned his PhD in clinical psychology under the supervision of Robert O. Pihl in 1991, and remained as a post-doctoral fellow at McGill's Douglas Hospital until June 1993, working with Pihl and Maurice Dongier.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan_Peterson#Education

I am just guessing that he is more knowledgeable on the topics than most internet experts. But not all, of course.
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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander View Post
Ayup. Grifting 101.

As long as they pay him, he will sell his stinking crap to them wrapped in a pseudo-psychological cloak.
Authors have to supplement their income by speaking engagements because their books are so commonly pirated.
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Authors have to supplement their income by speaking engagements because their books are so commonly pirated.
God hasn't done one book-signing since he wrote and published his magnum opus.
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God hasn't done one book-signing since he wrote and published his magnum opus.

Perhaps he has. How would we know, unless he revealed himself?
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan_Peterson#Education

I am just guessing that he is more knowledgeable on the topics than most internet experts. But not all, of course.
You can be educated and still blinkered, bigoted and a douchebag. Case in point...
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Maybe he is thinking to discourage mastectomies such as one Boston hospital has performed recently on 67 girls and young women.
Maybe he is thinking of the adage act in haste, repent at leisure.
Or maybe JP and his lackeys should stop talking bollocks about matters that they don't understand and don't involve them?
But I suppose that would deprive Peterson of the adulation and income.
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Authors have to supplement their income by speaking engagements because their books are so commonly pirated.
Citations?
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Do you really think Hubbard ever believed it? Or did he say, WTF, these rubes keep sending me the dough, let's keep making up levels?
I think there came a point at which the outward appearance of his belief had so deeply and inextricably permeated every corner of his life that the question of whether or not he had genuinely internally synthesized those beliefs is purely academic.
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I have rarely heard him say anything that I consider factually suspect. But I don't follow him too closely, either.
It is demonstrably factually untrue that the doctor who performed breast-reduction surgery on Page committed a crime by so doing; nevertheless, Peterson insists that the doctor is a "criminal" and should be arrested and imprisoned for performing the surgery.
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It is demonstrably factually untrue that the doctor who performed breast-reduction surgery on Page committed a crime by so doing; nevertheless, Peterson insists that the doctor is a "criminal" and should be arrested and imprisoned for performing the surgery.

Obviously he is suggesting that it should be a crime...not that it technically is one, currently.

He is calling into question the ethics of the surgeon.
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I sometimes wonder if the way he fixates on Page specifically, of all the transgender individuals there are to aim his abuse at, is revealing. My suspicion is that Peterson likely had a thing for Page pre-transition, making his fury in their case more personal.
Possibly so. But then again, Peterson strikes me as somebody who doesn't need a reason to be an utter **** of a man.
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Possibly so. But then again, Peterson strikes me as somebody who doesn't need a reason to be an utter **** of a man.
True.

I see Peterson is on Ancient Apocalypse with Graham Hancock, that's about his level.
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True.

I see Peterson is on Ancient Apocalypse with Graham Hancock, that's about his level.
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And Joe Rogan...
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It is demonstrably factually untrue that the doctor who performed breast-reduction surgery on Page committed a crime by so doing; nevertheless, Peterson insists that the doctor is a "criminal" and should be arrested and imprisoned for performing the surgery.
A view I would prefer to be in the sun light.
In every sense more worthy of analysis than election result denial or an innocent man should be executed where due process is sound.
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Obviously he is suggesting that it should be a crime...not that it technically is one, currently.

He is calling into question the ethics of the surgeon.
Which is a massively ****** thing to do.
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Which is a massively ****** thing to do.

That is one opinion, sure.
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Which is a massively ****** thing to do.
Not sure what the missing word is but follow the money in the USA as is pointed out in another thread.
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Not sure what the missing word is but follow the money in the USA as is pointed out in another thread.
Unfortunately we're in the public section of the forum so I have to let the autocensor do its thing. Suffice to say that I'm not saying that it's a nice thing to do.
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That is one opinion, sure.
And a better, more ethical and well supported, one than Peterson's nonsense hate-on.

They are not on the same level just because they are both 'opinion'.
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And a better, more ethical and well supported, one than Peterson's nonsense hate-on.

They are not on the same level just because they are both 'opinion'.
Agreed. There are acceptable opinions and then there are massively ****** opinions. Peterson's opinion on the ethics of gender-affirming surgery are massively ******.
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Huh. I had no idea.

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Controversial Canadian speaker Jordan Peterson is in Parliament House today, giving a talk to some Coalition MPs in a committee room.

Nationals senator Matt Canavan’s office sent out invitations to MPs and their staff for a “speaking event” this afternoon. We’ve walked past the room and seen a packed audience - including a number of MPs from the Coalition and One Nation - listening as Peterson spoke.

There’s also security posted outside the door.

In an invitation to the event, seen by Guardian Australia, Canavan’s office says there was “huge interest” in the event. They also noted that despite it being scheduled for lunchtime, there would be no lunch provided.

Peterson is visiting the country on a speaking tour of Australia.
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Makes sense he's speaking to the ousted right-wing Coalition and the openly racist One Nation.
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And a better, more ethical and well supported, one than Peterson's nonsense hate-on.

They are not on the same level just because they are both 'opinion'.

That is also an opinion. I lean towards Peterson's position, tbh. Although it is a bit of a conundrum.

But I am not going to debate it in this thread.
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
That is also an opinion.
And a better one than yours.

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I lean towards Peterson's position, tbh. Although it is a bit of a conundrum.

But I am not going to debate it in this thread.
Then don't. But this thread is on his merits as a speaker and thinker, so that doesn't leave much for you to contribute if you don't want to talk about his views and how he supports them.
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That is also an opinion.
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And a better one than yours.

No doubt you think that. That is why we call them opinions, right? We each have our own, that works for us.
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No doubt you think that. That is why we call them opinions, right? We each have our own, that works for us.
Nope. They don't work if they don't have valid support.

It isn't worth more, or anything, because it's yours. It isn't worth more because you're entitled to it. If you don't understand that opinions are not all equal, then I can see why you'd be a fan of Peterson. If you do understand that but are selectively ignoring it, you're engaged in the manipulation technique often employed by psychopaths known as 'leveling'.

Perhaps Peterson has spoken of 'leveling' seeing as he has a background where he would have learned of it?
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Old 23rd November 2022, 10:43 PM   #158
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If you do understand that but are selectively ignoring it, you're engaged in the manipulation technique often employed by psychopaths known as 'leveling'.

Is this where you are lowkey suggesting that I might be a psychopath?

That is a really odd retort, tbh. Seems extreme, given the civil nature of the discussion thus far.
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Is this where you are lowkey suggesting that I might be a psychopath?

That is a really odd retort, tbh. Seems extreme, given the civil nature of the discussion thus far.
No, that was describing where you might have seen 'leveling' as a manipulation technique before and another term to get more information about it.

There are far easier ways to just insult you.
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There are far easier ways to just insult you.

Cool. Keep your options open.

In the meantime, I never said all opinions are equal. Just that we all have one; and we naturally consider our own to have more merit than the opposing one. In this case, I consider your position without merit, but I am not interested in debating it with you. We have another thread or two where people duke it out on those matters.

No complex psychological analysis needed. No need to imply anyone is a psycho. Easy.
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