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Old 1st June 2010, 12:22 PM   #41
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We will probably never know because Menard will not actually tell anybody the numbers.

I dont know why.
Maybe its for tax reasons

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Old 1st June 2010, 01:07 PM   #42
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Menards allusion that he is Christ & JB is Satan is characteristically mad & nasty at the same time. It also indicates he is extremely narcissistic & vain.

Bearing in mind Christs dislike of money changers it's not much of a leap to assume he wouldn't have any time for a man whole sold access to fake, worthless legal documents or persuaded people to set out on a course of action he knows full well is going to made their situation much worse. I'd say there is an element of 'evil' in Menards behaviour.

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Old 1st June 2010, 01:42 PM   #43
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Menard appears to be a con man who may have made the most amusing mistake - he appears to actually think some of his nonsense works.
It is hard to tell, he appear to have stayed out of any major trouble, that indicates he know the limits of his woo.
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Old 1st June 2010, 08:15 PM   #44
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Menard and his cult seems to be spend a great deal of team hiding from the authorities - which isn't that difficult.
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Menard and his cult seems to be spend a great deal of team hiding from the authorities - which isn't that difficult.

...or surprising.
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Old 2nd June 2010, 02:12 AM   #46
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The sovereign movement got a good shellacking when those brigthtboys made themselves a nuisance to the Feds. The rules for nutty cults is to always keep very much under the radar - because when they raise their heads to far .......
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Old 2nd June 2010, 02:52 PM   #47
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Lets see if we can lure the snake from under its stone
http://freemantruthmovement.blogspot.com/

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I assume everyone reading knows who Rob Menard is, if not google him, he is all over the web.
Why this thread you may ask, well I just want you to understand where he is coming from before you decide to part with any money to join his "world freeman society".

Just ask him these questions

1. Do you have any verifiable sources of information to substantiate your claims. (Dont accept stories and anecdotes, he will try and fob you off with those)
2. Why do you not access your $8 million bond and then set up an easy to follow system which will allow others to access theirs and form your Freeman Society.
3. Why he has not yet proven ANY of his theories and filmed the results (Practice what he preaches)
4. Why he chooses not to drive a car when he could (according to his videos) drive it around uninsured/untaxed and de-registered yet actively encourage others to do it and sit back while they lose their cars.
5. Why does he ban anyone from the World Freeman Society website anyone who asks for proof of his claims. (Sign up and try it if you doubt my word)

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Old 3rd June 2010, 01:42 PM   #48
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Save yourself $250

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Old 3rd June 2010, 01:49 PM   #49
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Pirate bay is banned in Denmark.

It appears on BTjunkie, as a 1558mb collection of 4 dvd's.
I would pay real money to avoid watching them.
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Old 3rd June 2010, 01:58 PM   #50
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Menard and his cult seems to be spend a great deal of team hiding from the authorities - which isn't that difficult.
It's easy when you live in your mother's basement.
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Old 3rd June 2010, 02:17 PM   #51
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It's easy when you live in your mother's basement.
How often do people on average meet the police?
(I mean people who are not in one way or another asking for it)
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Old 3rd June 2010, 02:33 PM   #52
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Everytime I have had a brush with the law I was doing something I shouldnt.
I have never been stopped by the police when I was simply going about my business.

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Old 3rd June 2010, 02:55 PM   #53
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Originally Posted by jargon buster View Post
Everytime I have had a brush with the law I was doing something I shouldnt.
I have never been stopped by the police when I was simply going about my business.

JB

So they don't have R.I.D.E. Stops where you live?
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Old 3rd June 2010, 03:04 PM   #54
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Originally Posted by jargon buster View Post
Everytime I have had a brush with the law I was doing something I shouldnt.
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Shhhh! You promised we'd never talk about that in public.


Come over, and we'll talk about it in private...
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Old 4th June 2010, 12:42 AM   #55
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Menard wrote on Ickes
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showt...117530&page=16

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I invited people to post my stuff on the web, and often seed the torrents myself.

I do not withhold information or demand payment for it. My time however is a different thing, and I have no trouble asking for recompense for my time.
I wonder if he offers the "no win, no fee" option.
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Old 4th June 2010, 12:47 AM   #56
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I wonder if he offers the "no win, no fee" option.
That would not be much of a problem to him, going to jail is apparently a win.
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slegde wrote
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(he doesnt even drive legally because he is an alcoholic)
Whilst I'm obligated to ask how you know that, it would explain a lot.
Rob wrote on Ickes
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See, I do not consider it advice, and certainly not 'legal advice' merely perspective, or suggestions. Or I share what I would do if in similar circumstances. And the cost is less to the one receiving it then it is for me to provide it. For instance yesterday, I spent two hours with a guy and he bought a jug of beer in exchange.
Read some of his stories sledge the vast majority revolve around beer.
He has even been likened to "Georgie Porgie" on another site after leeching on women when he is bladdered.

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Old 4th June 2010, 05:36 AM   #58
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Originally Posted by jargon buster View Post
Why, if you have $8 million dollars sitting in a "Birth Bond" do you not access it and the rest of your World Freeman Society members bonds and create your freeman society with its own infrastructure and laws?
Menard has cleared this up today on Icke's:

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It is not like there is simply $8M in the bank sitting there for you to take. OKAY? There is ownership of stock with a certain worth, and if you take the $8M or whatever it may be worth, you no longer have the stock itself.

I prefer to retain my claim to the stock. That is my right and my decision. I am sorry you are so simple and silly that you think the $8M is worth more then the stock, or that you can have both.
So, if you cash in the "stock" the stock disappears, and Menard would rather maintain a right to the stock because if you take the value of the stock in money the stock might actually be worth more than it's worth in money.
Simples.

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Old 4th June 2010, 06:58 AM   #59
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Everytime I have had a brush with the law I was doing something I shouldnt.
I have never been stopped by the police when I was simply going about my business.

JB
I've been 'stopped' when I was going about my business - waiting for someone at Victoria Bus Station.

I guess they approached me cos it was 3am, I had long hair and looked pretty rough (hey, I was a student...it's virtually required to look like trash)

I guess I can see that some people would find it oppressive or heavy-handed or something, but the officers were genuinely polite, friendly, to-the-point and quick.

You can read a lot into the questions they ask, but I'm sure they have their reasons, which are not necessarily as malicious as many seem to assume.

Basically I got ID'd - they called in to check if I had outstanding warrants etc, standard 'what are you doing', a quick search (more like emptying my pockets) and 'thank you, goodbye'. Not exactly a fascist state

Of course the only vaguely dangerous object I had on me was a Zippo, and a guilt-free concience helps
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I suppose if you had started the conversation with "I am not a person, I do not wish to contract with you", things would have gone a lot smoother and they would have had to go away with a "flea in their ear".

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I suppose if you had started the conversation with "I am not a person, I do not wish to contract with you", things would have gone a lot smoother and they would have had to go away with a "flea in their ear".

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Unless they didn't contract to take the flea then I suppose you would have to release the flea and let it become a Fleaman on the Land
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Originally Posted by jargon buster View Post
Everytime I have had a brush with the law I was doing something I shouldnt.
I have never been stopped by the police when I was simply going about my business.

JB
As an addendum to this, where is this oppressive state we live in?

I have been stopped by the police a few times doing things i shouldn't, and even then they were understanding enough to realize i wasn't doing any harm and send me on my way. Want to know why?

Because i was honest and polite to them ( even when blinding drunk). I knew i was caught, i knew i didn't have a record of any form, and i knew that unless i was dealing with the cop from Desperation i would be fine. If i had started rambling about rights given to me by god and whatnot, i would have probably been put in jail quickly.

The only time a non corrupt cop ( and yes there are still a few corrupt ones out there) will hassle you is when your doing something illegal. And even then as long as its nothing harmful, more than likely one will not get incarcerated.

I mean for the love of crap menard. We both live in canada, tell me you think you ( well maybe not you specifically, if i was a cop i would bust you for jaywalking out of principal. ) couldn't walk down the street smoking a joint, if the mood hit you without fear of being imprisoned. Where is this totalitarian state? I cannot think of anything that i actually want to do, that would likely get me arrested.
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Why no "clownish con-man" option?
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He claimed to me he charges $25 an hour to clean out septic tanks, more if he doesn't like you. Now if you could lay your hands on a cool $8 million would you be dealing with the waste products of others? With this one statement over on ickes site he's proven himself to be a con man. Though he's just responded by telling me the bond might not be worth $8million but a sum of money and if he claimed it he wouldn't hold the stock anymore???????? even though he gets none of the profits made on his bond and it helps the government keep us slaves (like he thinks we're all Ivan Denisovich or something). I wonder if he claimed his bond,received the money he'd disappear into a quantum universe full of freemen cleaning up each others ****.

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couldn't walk down the street smoking a joint
If you did that in Denmark you would risk having it confiscated and stepped on.
Complaining about it could get you a fine or worse.
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Old 6th June 2010, 08:51 AM   #66
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He claimed to me he charges $25 an hour to clean out septic tanks, more if he doesn't like you.
Link please Bob
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Link please Bob
It's the last post on this page here:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showt...117530&page=16

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As an addendum to this, where is this oppressive state we live in?
I think the oppressive state that FOTLers live in comes from the fact that they are not allowed to do whatever they feel are their freedoms, you know stuff like not having a drivers license, insurance, MOT, being able to grow their own weed, welching on mortgages and loans and whatever the hell else they feel like doing without someone from the gov't saying "Hang on a minute, you can't do that, we have laws you know."
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Originally Posted by Stacey Grove View Post
It's the last post on this page here:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showt...117530&page=16
Doing independent construction contracting, including cleaning septic tanks, is good, honest work. This is a point in Rob's favour.

It's as his FOTL alter-ego where he is really shoveling ****.
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I posted this in the freeman thread but I think it belongs here in Robs personal thread.
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http://freemantruthmovement.blogspot.com/

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PS if anyone is a member on Ickes or WFS please make him aware of this please.

PPS I am thinking of creating a WIKI page on Rob singing his praises about him not having to consent to any statutes, it may just raise his profile enough for the authourities to start paying him a bit of attention.

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Menards feathers are ruffled, he has now banned me from posting comments on his Youtube videos.

I would post a screenshot but cant post photos

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As an addendum to this, where is this oppressive state we live in?
FOTL'ers live in an oppressive state of stupidity.
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Menards spouting nonsense again on Ickes

This time its about the "colour of right"
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showt...=114830&page=2
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To a degree this is true and is called colour of right. However trying to extend it to that which is clearly harmful gets you labeled as insane. You will not be held criminally liable if it is in fact true, that you believe in your heart that say, Aliens from Gamma Centuri told you to kill your neighbour's dog. That does not mean however that you get off scott free. You will be seen as a danger and dealt with by being locked up, pending successful treatment/

Applying color of right properly requires one to truly be following their conscience or faith, and to act in a reasonable and moral manner. (Believe it or not, one can do this whilst acting seemingly contrary to local ordinances and statues. ) Using a claim of right develops a very powerful color of right, one so strong it is in fact indistinguishable from an actual right.
reasonably and morally not following the rule of law.
Brilliant, and he thinks that will wash in court.

And on the "bond"
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=119413
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When I first came to this information, among the issues I had to face was if I should tell people. I had doubts, not only cause I knew they would think me crazy, but also because of the inherent danger which you describe. I likened it to teaching a five year old how to take the safety off a gun without first teaching them the dangers and associated responsibilities.

I realized however, withholding the information was a judgment on my part, after all, who was I to determine who should and shouldn't have this information? How could I in good conscience limit it to those who I feel are worthy? I could not. Yet I still was unsure about releasing it to those who would abuse this remedy, and in so doing deny it to future generations.

What has developed is a process where the information comes with a cost. And that cost is greater knowledge of self. Many I have found who simply don't get it, are those who refuse to see themselves as anything save a consumer/citizen involved in a magical race to collect things that rust. And woe to you if they feel they are winning this race and you chose to no longer play.

Those who have rejected their own divine nature hate it when you later accept your own.
So he has the divine right to share this information with whom he feels will use it wisely.
Ahhhh so thats why he wont share his proof (Not even in his paper package for $250)

it beggars belief

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It's the last post on this page here:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showt...117530&page=16
Rob reveals the source of his inspiration:

yesterday, I spent two hours with a guy and he bought a jug of beer in exchange.

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Rob reveals the source of his inspiration:

yesterday, I spent two hours with a guy and he bought a jug of beer in exchange.
Come on, they were just talking.
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I think the oppressive state that FOTLers live in comes from the fact that they are not allowed to do whatever they feel are their freedoms, you know stuff like not having a drivers license, insurance, MOT, being able to grow their own weed, welching on mortgages and loans and whatever the hell else they feel like doing without someone from the gov't saying "Hang on a minute, you can't do that, we have laws you know."
And that kills me because i would never want to do most of those things, and for good reason.

I mean my drivers license and the appropriate tests let me know i am a fairly safe driver. And let me to some extent prove that to others. Without it any idiot would be driving, and a car is a big dangerous weapon when used improperly. I respect others right to safety enough that i can say " good idea" to drivers license , insurance, etc.

Growing weed, yeah i would like to be able to. But would i give up all the things my government gives me ( roads, health care, etc) just so i can? No, not really, i like being able to be healthy and not have to drive on dirt more than getting high thanks.

And i mean the rest is all the same. Ways to get out of agreements you made. I would not want to do this. I mean sure if people just started to give me free crap i would be a fan. But to try and weasel out of debts, to anyone? That is just being a bad person. But fotl'ers think its okay, because they are usually screwing over a big company with this type of action. And as we all know big companies deserve no rights whatsoever.

What kills me is how they think it is okay to follow no rules they don't want to that are set by the government, but they also have no problem taking advantage of the services the government provides.

If they truly want to be free of government they should not use roads, accept police help, medical care ( not payed for by themselves. ) or any other of the services us poor slaves take for granted. And should they want to use these services they should be on a per use basis decided that day by an elected representative of the government. See how long someone is a freeman when trapped in a burning car and the fire department says " well, would love to help you sir, but our fee schedule is 1000 per 15 minutes we spend rescuing you. Do you have that on you? We can wait for someone to bring it if you want, but that is 500 per hour. "
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Old 7th June 2010, 10:30 AM   #77
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Lets see what Rob makes of this
http://freemantruthmovement.blogspot.com/

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You should be OK.
Menard has always said that statutes are not law and you may withdraw your consent at any time. In fact I am sure Menard would be the first to assist you to defend any action he himself may bring to ensure you're god given rights are not infringed.
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Im begining to think it is clownish conman after all.
He posts this on Ickes
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=119454
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Poor asky/jb, can't even say who he is. It is like someone with really bad breath, hiding behind a mask. Your mask does not hide your stink.
Then goes on my blog and posts this "anonymously"
http://freemantruthmovement.blogspot...y-dead-in.html
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Anonymous said...

Wow, the World Freeman Society is actually growing very quickly, averaging 75 posts a day, with ten new topics a day started, and almost 5000 members. That is based on the last month, and according to stats shown me by the admin. Does not sound dead in the water to me.

Me thinks JB, like others in the government, (You are in the government right? You have NEVER denied that...) want people to think it is dead in the water, so they can continue stealing from others, just he has admittedly done with the WFS logo.

This JB/Asky guy is the hero for the Pay and Obey crowd, and he is an admitted thief who lacks honour and refuses to idnetify himself or deny his role as a government shill.

See how fearful the government REALLY is of the Freeman Movement? If they were not they would not hire shills like JB to start blogs such as these.

We see your fear JB and we know it is because the Freeman movement is the truth you have been hiding.
Its like shooting fish in a barrel

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It would also appear that Menard is controlling what gets posted on David Ickes site.
poster brianthebrain has just pointed out Menards postings on my blog and his post has been instantly removed.
I feel a blog post coming

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My English spelling sucks, which is why I have eventually figured out how to get a spelling checker added to firefox.

Somehow I am not impressed by 5000 members writing 75 posts a day.
And the idea of ones arguments being judged on whether you give your real name or not is rather silly.
(Sure, it is useful to know peoples cultural and language background)
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