[Ed] Corona Virus Conspiracy Theories.... - Page 21

Cosmic Yak · 21st November 2020, 03:49 AM

Originally Posted by Bubba

Globalist Klaus Schwab: World Will “Never” Return to Normal After COVID In his book Covid-19: The Great Reset, World Economic Forum globalist Klaus Schwab asserts that the world will “never” return to normal, despite him admitting that coronavirus “doesn’t pose a new existential threat.”

Breitbart’s James Delingpole unveils how Schwab is even more explicit in his book about the elite’s plan for exploiting the COVID pandemic than in his public statements.Schwab has continually pushed for COVID to be exploited to push for a new world order, claiming, “Now is the historical moment of time not only to fight the… virus but to shape the system… for the post-corona era.”

https://summit.news/2020/11/10/globa...l-after-covid/

Originally Posted by unhinged far-right nutcases

As Delingpole explains in his column, “The Great Reset” merely represents a re-packaging of the old globalist agenda which has been stuttering over the last decade.

Namely, technocratic dictatorial rule by a tiny elite, the “green new deal,” the gradual abolition of private property, a guaranteed minimum wage that will see jobs replaced by robots, a crackdown on personal liberties and curtailing freedom of movement.

I have linked to Schwab's full article below.
Bubba, perhaps you would be so kind as to highlight the parts in it where he calls for the agenda laid out by your link?
Hard to believe, but it looks like your highly biased and factually unreliable source has just made this up out of thin air.
Your claim, your evidence. Where does Schwab call for these things?
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/...a-great-reset/

eerok · 21st November 2020, 07:50 AM

Originally Posted by Cosmic Yak

I have linked to Schwab's full article below.
Bubba, perhaps you would be so kind as to highlight the parts in it where he calls for the agenda laid out by your link?
Hard to believe, but it looks like your highly biased and factually unreliable source has just made this up out of thin air.
Your claim, your evidence. Where does Schwab call for these things?
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/...a-great-reset/

Infowars got something wrong? Tell me it isn't true.

Cosmic Yak · 22nd November 2020, 02:18 AM

Originally Posted by eerok

Infowars got something wrong? Tell me it isn't true.

No doubt Bubba will be along in a minute to clear all this up. I'm sure he's just putting the finishing touches to a lengthy post detailing all those places where Schwab said the things he's claimed.
Right, Bubba?

Hans · 22nd November 2020, 09:08 AM

Originally Posted by eerok

Infowars got something wrong? Tell me it isn't true.

That would be first - if we start counting yesterday....

Gaetan · 1st December 2020, 08:00 AM

The media should stop spreading information about the pharmas vaccine that would be 95% or 100% effective because they are falsehoods to raise the price of shares and sell them for a profit. The truth is that a vaccine against Covid is not at all effective, 0%, since you have to be vaccinated every 4 months with a product that gives Alzheimer's or Parkinson's.

The Chinese treat people with influenza with plants and vitamins, and they have 1,000 times fewer deaths. To have an optimum intake of vitamin C, an elderly person should eat a dozen oranges per day and to have a minimum intake of vitamin D, the person should spend at least 20 minutes per day in the sun with their arms uncovered, so these are two essential elements for immunity and it is not the noodles with tomato sauce and the little cake that we give to the elderly with a worn out digestive system that are going to be useful to them. They have to take supplements.

For doctors, all plants or vitamins are useless since they are not products that pharmas can patent and resell at a high price. Our doctors are trained by a corrupt system to sell pharmaceutical drugs that kill huge numbers of people. You take like sleeping pills, they cause between 300,000 and 500,000 deaths in the United States per year, twice as many as covid, why doesn't the media count them one by one?

If you do your studies you will find that the health and containment measures against covid are going and have caused more deaths than doing nothing. Older people are the victims of a corrupt health care system that leads them to suffering and death.

Bubba · 1st December 2020, 04:05 PM

Johns Hopkins Study Mysteriously Disappears after it Revealed, In Spite of COVID, No More Deaths in 2020 Than In Prior Years
Briand was quoted in the article as saying, “All of this points to no evidence that COVID-19 created any excess deaths. Total death numbers are not above normal death numbers.” This claim is incorrect and does not take into account the spike in raw death count from all causes compared to previous years. According to the CDC, there have been almost 300,000 excess deaths due to COVID-19. Additionally, Briand presented data of total U.S. deaths in comparison to COVID-19-related deaths as a proportion percentage, which trivializes the repercussions of the pandemic. This evidence does not disprove the severity of COVID-19; an increase in excess deaths is not represented in these proportionalities because they are offered as percentages, not raw numbers.Briand also claimed in her analysis that deaths due to heart diseases, respiratory diseases, influenza and pneumonia may be incorrectly categorized as COVID-19-related deaths. However, COVID-19 disproportionately affects those with preexisting conditions, so those with those underlying conditions are statistically more likely to be severely affected and die from the virus.

https://www.jhunewsletter.com/articl...ue-to-covid-19

dann · 1st December 2020, 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by Bubba

Johns Hopkins Study Mysteriously Disappears after it Revealed, In Spite of COVID, No More Deaths in 2020 Than In Prior Years
Briand was quoted in the article as saying, “All of this points to no evidence that COVID-19 created any excess deaths. Total death numbers are not above normal death numbers.” This claim is incorrect and does not take into account the spike in raw death count from all causes compared to previous years. According to the CDC, there have been almost 300,000 excess deaths due to COVID-19. Additionally, Briand presented data of total U.S. deaths in comparison to COVID-19-related deaths as a proportion percentage, which trivializes the repercussions of the pandemic. This evidence does not disprove the severity of COVID-19; an increase in excess deaths is not represented in these proportionalities because they are offered as percentages, not raw numbers.Briand also claimed in her analysis that deaths due to heart diseases, respiratory diseases, influenza and pneumonia may be incorrectly categorized as COVID-19-related deaths. However, COVID-19 disproportionately affects those with preexisting conditions, so those with those underlying conditions are statistically more likely to be severely affected and die from the virus.

https://www.jhunewsletter.com/articl...ue-to-covid-19

And it continues:

Quote:

Because of these inaccuracies and our failure to provide additional information about the effects of COVID-19, The News-Letter decided to retract this article. It is our duty as a publication to combat the spread of misinformation and to enhance our fact-checking process. We apologize to our readers.

What is the point you are trying to make?

eerok · 1st December 2020, 04:34 PM

Originally Posted by Bubba

Johns Hopkins Study Mysteriously Disappears after it Revealed, In Spite of COVID, No More Deaths in 2020 Than In Prior Years

That is a lie.

Originally Posted by Bubba

https://www.jhunewsletter.com/articl...ue-to-covid-19

Maybe you should read it.

bruto · 1st December 2020, 04:54 PM

Vaccine conspiracy baloney, I see. I presume Gaetan has some actual reputable data to prove his far-out theories?

Its OK with me though if he skips the vaccine and goes with the Chinese medicines. Limited supplies and all the more to others. If he wants to fry it's fine with me.

Staying in the sun with one's arms uncovered around here will not cure you of much except life. If this were not the case, the homeless would not be dying. Gaetan, you should probably try to wrap whatever brain you are using around the concept that there are places that become very cold in winter.

Matthew Ellard · 1st December 2020, 05:01 PM

Originally Posted by Bubba

.....summit.news....

Bubba. "Summit News" is the new name for "Info Wars" and it has also been banned by You-Tube, Twitter and Facebook for telling lies.

Try harder next time.

Resume · 1st December 2020, 05:05 PM

2500 fellow U.S. citizens died today due to COVID-19. **** covid deniers.

Leftus · 1st December 2020, 07:54 PM

Originally Posted by Gaetan

For doctors, all plants or vitamins are useless since they are not products that pharmas can patent and resell at a high price. Our doctors are trained by a corrupt system to sell pharmaceutical drugs that kill huge numbers of people. You take like sleeping pills, they cause between 300,000 and 500,000 deaths in the United States per year, twice as many as covid, why doesn't the media count them one by one?

Why does my doctor have me on an Aspirin regimen and not some pharmaceutical? I've seen his credentials, he was trained at the highest corrupt schools, and even made the cover of some medical mag. Shouldn't he be pushing some statin or something? Or is he in the pocket of Big Generic, Big Store Brand?

Also, where did you get your medical degree? My doc got his from Stanford.

Craig4 · 1st December 2020, 08:15 PM

Bubba, where does Christine Grady work? You slandered her so you should really answer this question.

Resume · 2nd December 2020, 06:10 PM

Nearly 3000 fellow Americans died of COVID today. **** covid deniers, **** anti-maskers.

Little 10 Toes · 2nd December 2020, 07:12 PM

Originally Posted by Gaetan

The media should stop spreading information about the pharmas vaccine that would be 95% or 100% effective because they are falsehoods to raise the price of shares and sell them for a profit. The truth is that a vaccine against Covid is not at all effective, 0%, since you have to be vaccinated every 4 months with a product that gives Alzheimer's or Parkinson's.

Please provide evidence of everything.

Did you know that you are wrong? Of course not. You open your mouth without researching. Some people would call you a liar due to your untruths.

From the US Department of Health and Human Services:

Quote:

https://www.hhs.gov/coronavirus/expl...eed/index.html

What are you doing to make these products affordable for Americans?
The Administration is committed to providing free or low-cost COVID-19 countermeasures to the American people as fast as possible. Any vaccine or therapeutic doses purchased with US taxpayer dollars will be given to the American people at no cost.

From the BBC:

Quote:

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54027269
In the UK, mass distribution will be via the NHS health service. Student doctors and nurses, dentists and vets could be trained to back up existing NHS staff in administering the jab en masse. Consultation is currently under way.

Other countries, such as Australia, have said they will offer free doses to their population.

People receiving vaccines via humanitarian organizations - a vital cog in the global distribution wheel - will not be charged.

Do you even know how vaccinations work or how long they last? Of course not. Had you done some research you would.

From the The Immunisation Advisory Centre in New Zealand:

Quote:

https://www.immune.org.nz/vaccines/e...-effectiveness

Duration of protection by vaccine

Disease -- Estimated duration of protection from vaccine after receipt of all recommended doses 1,2

Pertussis(whooping cough) -- 4-6 years
Diphtheria -- Around 10 years
Tetanus -- 96% protected 13-14 years, 72% >25 years
Polio -- >99% protected for at least 18 years
Haemophilus influenzae type B -- >9 years to date
Hepatitis B -- >20 years to date
Measles -- Life-long in >96% vaccines
Mumps -- >10 years in 90%, waning slowly over time
Rubella -- Most vaccinees (>90%) protected >15-20 years
Pneumococcal -- >4-5 years so far for conjugate vaccines
Human papillomavirus -- >5-8 years to date
Varicella -- One dose - unknown; Two doses >14 years to date

[Table has been edited and reformatted to fit here]

Returning to your post:

Originally Posted by Gaetan

The Chinese treat people with influenza with plants and vitamins, and they have 1,000 times fewer deaths. To have an optimum intake of vitamin C, an elderly person should eat a dozen oranges per day and to have a minimum intake of vitamin D, the person should spend at least 20 minutes per day in the sun with their arms uncovered, so these are two essential elements for immunity and it is not the noodles with tomato sauce and the little cake that we give to the elderly with a worn out digestive system that are going to be useful to them. They have to take supplements.

From The Lancet:

Quote:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...163-X/fulltext

Influenza-associated excess respiratory mortality in China, 2010–15: a population-based study

Discussion
We estimated that 88 100 influenza-associated excess respiratory deaths occurred in mainland China during an influenza season, corresponding to 8·2% of annual respiratory deaths. Accordingly, the mean all-age excess respiratory mortality rate in mainland China of 6·5 (95% CI 6·3–6·8) per 100 000 person-seasons fell within the estimate for the Western Pacific region reported in a global study (95% credible interval 3·6–7·5 per 100 000 individuals), despite differences in modelling approaches. Our estimate was also similar to estimates previously published in other countries or regions or cities; eg, our point estimate of the overall influenza-associated excess respiratory mortality rate was similar to that reported for Hong Kong (6·3 per 100 000 person-years), higher than those reported in Yancheng, a subtropical city in eastern China (4·6 per 100 000 person-years), the USA (3·6 per 100 000 person-seasons), and Hefei, a subtropical city in China (2·7 per 100 000 person-years), and lower than that reported in western Kenya (10 per 100 000 person-years). Influenza virus infections might not only cause respiratory deaths, but also lead to deaths by triggering or exacerbating underlying chronic conditions such as cardiovascular diseases. Therefore, the estimated excess respiratory deaths in this study only reflected a fraction of all influenza-associated deaths. [Inline footnote links removed.]

12 oranges a day? Ah, it comes clear. You are an agent for Big Orange. And I notice you're making up things again.

From the World Health Origination:

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https://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/...46123.pdf?ua=1 Top of page 158 of the document. Section 7.6.4

Elderly people frequently have low plasma ascorbate values and intakes lower than those in younger people, often because of problems of poor dentition or mobility (86). Elderly people are also more likely to have underlying subclinical diseases, which can also influence plasma ascorbate concentrations (see Chapter 8 on antioxidants). It has been suggested, however, that the requirements of elderly people do not differ substantially from those of younger people in the absence of pathology which may influence absorption or renal functioning (82). The RNIs for the elderly are therefore the same as those for adults (45mg/day).

Let the fairy tale continue:

Originally Posted by Gaetan

For doctors, all plants or vitamins are useless since they are not products that pharmas can patent and resell at a high price. Our doctors are trained by a corrupt system to sell pharmaceutical drugs that kill huge numbers of people. You take like sleeping pills, they cause between 300,000 and 500,000 deaths in the United States per year, twice as many as covid, why doesn't the media count them one by one?

This is the third time that you have tried using this "excuse". Why don't you take the time to go back and read the reports? Why don't you take the time to read the replies that show you are wrong?

Originally Posted by Gaetan

If you do your studies you will find that the health and containment measures against covid are going and have caused more deaths than doing nothing. Older people are the victims of a corrupt health care system that leads them to suffering and death.

Really? What studies have you done? That's right you haven't or you would produce them. You will find that the health and containment have saved lives.

Why do you continue to lie?

I publicly ask you to produce evidence that doing nothing has caused more deaths that the current health and containment measures. Will you? No you won't. You will change the subject as soon as you get called out on providing evidence. Your arguments are not arguments. They're opinions. And not even good opinions.

You remind me of the homeless people that I run into when I visit downtown babbling incoherently at anything, having conversations with themselves. At least they provide entertainment.

Craig4 · 2nd December 2020, 09:16 PM

Originally Posted by Resume

Nearly 3000 fellow Americans died of COVID today. **** covid deniers, **** anti-maskers.

You might as well just say Trump supporters. Stupid mask deniers and stupid COVID deniers have the same fatal flaw. They are stupid enough to follow Trump. Let's not beat around the bush here. Mask denial, Covid denial, Trump support it's all the same thing, stupidity.

bruto · 2nd December 2020, 10:51 PM

The suggestion that doing nothing is more effective than taking measures against Covid is outrageously, demonstrably preposterous.

It takes only a little research and a small modicum of intelligence to find that this is entirely false, and if anyone were fool enough to take the statement as advice, criminally stupid.

I would for example suggest that one compare the rate of Covid infections and deaths between South Dakota and Vermont.

A certain degree of crackpottery is to be expected here, but that stretches the boundary of the damnably false.

Cosmic Yak · 3rd December 2020, 05:12 AM

Originally Posted by Cosmic Yak

I have linked to Schwab's full article below.
Bubba, perhaps you would be so kind as to highlight the parts in it where he calls for the agenda laid out by your link?
Hard to believe, but it looks like your highly biased and factually unreliable source has just made this up out of thin air.
Your claim, your evidence. Where does Schwab call for these things?
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/...a-great-reset/

At the risk of incurring the wrath of the mods again, here's another unanswered question from Bubba.
Answer (to no-one's great surprise): Nowhere in that article does Schwab say anything remotely resembling what infowars claimed he said.
Failed claim. Yet again.

Gaetan · 3rd December 2020, 09:09 AM

People should be wary of any experimental vaccines we are offered and ask questions before getting vaccinated. It is possible that they cause serious health problems 1,000 times worse than catching Covid. These vaccines have not been tested in the long term nor in the short term. The media will not denounce this filth that puts people's lives in danger for fear of feeding the so-called conspirators and seeing the state's anti-Covid advertising funds cut off. The more it goes, the more corruption. Money cost lifes.

Leftus · 3rd December 2020, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by Gaetan

It is possible that they cause serious health problems 1,000 times worse than catching Covid.

It's also possible that it will make hair grow back, cure insomnia, and make you taller.

I doubt that the vaccine has a death rate of 20%.

Quick question, a man with your scientific learning, how are you not gainfully employed in the medical field? That might help you solve your cash flow problems.

bignickel · 3rd December 2020, 08:12 PM

Originally Posted by Bubba

Johns Hopkins Study Mysteriously Disappears after it Revealed, In Spite of COVID, No More Deaths in 2020 Than In Prior Years
Briand was quoted in the article as saying, “All of this points to no evidence that COVID-19 created any excess deaths. Total death numbers are not above normal death numbers.” This claim is incorrect and does not take into account the spike in raw death count from all causes compared to previous
https://www.jhunewsletter.com/articl...ue-to-covid-19

Ha ha, no, try John Hopkins university STUDENT paper. With an article filled with inaccuracies. That the paper retracted but took pains to still make available for those who care to read it.

https://leadstories.com/hoax-alert/2...-censored.html

Jack by the hedge · 4th December 2020, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by Gaetan

These vaccines have not been tested in the long term nor in the short term.

Well the virus hasn't existed for that long so I guess the long term claim, though pointless, isn't actually false, but the short term claim is just a flat out lie.

bruto · 5th December 2020, 07:28 AM

Given that Covid carries with it a pretty significant likelihood of a nasty bout, and a non-trivial risk of death, I am trying to imagine what "1000 times" the harm from a vaccine would be. It's clearly a fearsome prospect, with evidence here that among the most susceptible, merely contemplating it causes brain death.

Craig4 · 5th December 2020, 08:59 AM

Originally Posted by Gaetan

People should be wary of any experimental vaccines we are offered and ask questions before getting vaccinated. It is possible that they cause serious health problems 1,000 times worse than catching Covid. These vaccines have not been tested in the long term nor in the short term. The media will not denounce this filth that puts people's lives in danger for fear of feeding the so-called conspirators and seeing the state's anti-Covid advertising funds cut off. The more it goes, the more corruption. Money cost lifes.

Where did you go to medical school? Maybe you're a microbiologist? I notice you didn't link any studies to support your argument by assertion. Why do you think it's right for people with no medical training and no education in biology who don't cite evidence to give medical advice?

Reformed Offlian · 5th December 2020, 09:00 PM

Originally Posted by bruto

Given that Covid carries with it a pretty significant likelihood of a nasty bout, and a non-trivial risk of death, I am trying to imagine what "1000 times" the harm from a vaccine would be. It's clearly a fearsome prospect, with evidence here that among the most susceptible, merely contemplating it causes brain death.

Mortality rate for COVID is what, about 2%? So 1000 times the harm would be: if I get vaccinated not only am I guaranteed to die but also I'll take 20 unvaccinated people with me!

dudalb · 6th December 2020, 09:51 PM

Originally Posted by Gaetan

The media should stop spreading information about the pharmas vaccine that would be 95% or 100% effective because they are falsehoods to raise the price of shares and sell them for a profit. The truth is that a vaccine against Covid is not at all effective, 0%, since you have to be vaccinated every 4 months with a product that gives Alzheimer's or Parkinson's.

The Chinese treat people with influenza with plants and vitamins, and they have 1,000 times fewer deaths. To have an optimum intake of vitamin C, an elderly person should eat a dozen oranges per day and to have a minimum intake of vitamin D, the person should spend at least 20 minutes per day in the sun with their arms uncovered, so these are two essential elements for immunity and it is not the noodles with tomato sauce and the little cake that we give to the elderly with a worn out digestive system that are going to be useful to them. They have to take supplements.

For doctors, all plants or vitamins are useless since they are not products that pharmas can patent and resell at a high price. Our doctors are trained by a corrupt system to sell pharmaceutical drugs that kill huge numbers of people. You take like sleeping pills, they cause between 300,000 and 500,000 deaths in the United States per year, twice as many as covid, why doesn't the media count them one by one?

If you do your studies you will find that the health and containment measures against covid are going and have caused more deaths than doing nothing. Older people are the victims of a corrupt health care system that leads them to suffering and death.

My BS meter just exploded.

dudalb · 6th December 2020, 09:52 PM

Originally Posted by Craig4

Where did you go to medical school? Maybe you're a microbiologist? I notice you didn't link any studies to support your argument by assertion. Why do you think it's right for people with no medical training and no education in biology who don't cite evidence to give medical advice?

Same place where Jenny McCarthy did.

EHocking · 7th December 2020, 01:35 AM

Originally Posted by dudalb

My BS meter just exploded.

I’m not usually given over to Americanisms, but that’s not so much as BS as completely whackadoodle

JesseCuster · 7th December 2020, 01:48 AM

Originally Posted by Gaetan

The Chinese treat people with influenza with plants and vitamins, and they have 1,000 times fewer deaths.

Influenza kills 20,000 - 60,000 Americans every year. China has a population about 4 times that of the USA, so if the rate of influenza deaths in China was the same as in the USA, you'd expect 80,000 - 250,000 deaths per year. If your claim was true, then China must only experience 80 - 250 influenza related deaths per year.

Can you back up this claim from a reliable source that China typically only has at most a couple of hundred people die from influenza each year?

Wudang · 7th December 2020, 02:04 AM

Link to Lancet PDF
https://www.thelancet.com/pdfs/journ...19)30163-X.pdf

Quote:

Findings We fitted the linear regression model with the data from 22 of 31 provinces in mainland China, representing 83·0% of the total population. We estimated that an annual mean of 88100 (95% CI 84200–92000) influenza-associatedexcess respiratory deaths occurred in China in the 5 years studied, corresponding to 8·2% (95% CI 7·9–8·6) of respiratory deaths. The mean excess respiratory mortality rates per 100000 person-seasons for influenza A(H1N1)pdm09, A(H3N2), and B viruses were 1·6 (95% CI 1·5–1·7), 2·6 (2·4–2·8), and 2·3 (2·1–2·5), respectively. Estimated excess respiratory mortality rates per 100000 person-seasons were 1·5 (95% CI 1·1–1·9) for individuals younger than 60 years and 38·5 (36·8–40·2) for individuals aged 60 years or older. Approximately 71000 (95% CI 67 800–74 100) influenza-associated excess respiratory deaths occurred in individuals aged 60 years or older, corresponding to 80% of such deaths.

JesseCuster · 7th December 2020, 02:13 AM

So China doesn't have 1,000 less times flu mortality than the USA...

dann · 19th December 2020, 01:26 AM

Bolsonaro warns Brazilians against the vaccine:

Quote:

This time he said that vaccine which is being developed by Pfizer-BioNTech could turn people into 'crocodiles' or 'bearded ladies', depending on what people would think is the worst.
'If you turn into a crocodile...': Brazil President Jair Bolsonaro on Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine side effects (freepressjournal.in)

dudalb · 20th December 2020, 02:06 PM

Conspiracy theories already exploding about the mutated strain of Covid that is breaking out in Britian.
CHina is responsible , of course.

EHocking · 21st December 2020, 01:03 AM

Originally Posted by dudalb

Conspiracy theories already exploding about the mutated strain of Covid that is breaking out in Britian.

It is not helpful that the government of Britain seems to be the main distributor of misinformation, claiming it is 70% more infectious than other strains.
There is no scientific evidence for this.
When the South Australia gov tried the same ******** to cover up their poor response to an outbreak there, multiple virologists and researchers pointed out the ******** for what it was.

It is stupid scaremongering by a government to try to get people to take action because the government’s own response was/is inadequate.

Quote:

CHina is responsible , of course.

CaptainHowdy · 21st December 2020, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by EHocking

It is not helpful that the government of Britain seems to be the main distributor of misinformation, claiming it is 70% more infectious than other strains.
There is no scientific evidence for this.
When the South Australia gov tried the same ******** to cover up their poor response to an outbreak there, multiple virologists and researchers pointed out the ******** for what it was.

It is stupid scaremongering by a government to try to get people to take action because the government’s own response was/is inadequate.

That article doesn't say the new mutation isn't 70% more infectious. It says that '70% more infectious' hasn't been nailed down and that other unpublished studies have estimated higher and lower figures.

But, yes, it is stupid scaremongering from a government. It is intended to get people to follow the rules. Not for any health/safety reasons but merely to exert control and determine exactly how much ******** the public will submit to before they revolt.

Delphic Oracle · 21st December 2020, 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy

That article doesn't say the new mutation isn't 70% more infectious. It says that '70% more infectious' hasn't been nailed down and that other unpublished studies have estimated higher and lower figures.

But, yes, it is stupid scaremongering from a government. It is intended to get people to follow the rules. Not for any health/safety reasons but merely to exert control and determine exactly how much ******** the public will submit to before they revolt.

Muh freedumb!

EHocking · 21st December 2020, 03:35 PM

Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy

That article doesn't say the new mutation isn't 70% more infectious. It says that '70% more infectious' hasn't been nailed down and that other unpublished studies have estimated higher and lower figures.

But, yes, it is stupid scaremongering from a government. It is intended to get people to follow the rules. Not for any health/safety reasons but merely to exert control and determine exactly how much ******** the public will submit to before they revolt.

Keep calm and carry on, except . . .

“The new variant is out of control and we need to bring it under control,” Matt Hancock, the health secretary, told the BBC. He urged his countrymen to “act like you have the virus.”

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turingtest · 21st December 2020, 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy

That article doesn't say the new mutation isn't 70% more infectious. It says that '70% more infectious' hasn't been nailed down and that other unpublished studies have estimated higher and lower figures.

But, yes, it is stupid scaremongering from a government. It is intended to get people to follow the rules. Not for any health/safety reasons but merely to exert control and determine exactly how much ******** the public will submit to before they revolt.

As opposed to stupid scaremongering about a government...

Cosmic Yak · 22nd December 2020, 04:42 AM

Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy

But, yes, it is stupid scaremongering from a government. It is intended to get people to follow the rules. Not for any health/safety reasons but merely to exert control and determine exactly how much ******** the public will submit to before they revolt.

Evidence for this assertion, please, preferably from the minutes of the Cabinet meetings where such a plan would have been spelled out.

smartcooky · 22nd December 2020, 11:03 AM

I have an issue with the data given on this website, and I would appreciate any comment as to whether or not I have this wrong... i.e. am I missing something here?

https://www.coronatracker.com/country/united-states/

This data changes daily, but at the time of posting

18,503,154 Confirmed cases (+29,438 new cases)

10,808,834 Recovered

327,313 Deaths

1.8% Fatality Rate (of total cases)

58.4% Recovery Rate (of total cases)

... in particular, its the significance of the last two figures I am questioning. Even though it clearly states "of total cases" people who don't understand the maths here, or look only at the percentages, could still come away with the wrong impression.

For mine, those rates should be calculated by looking at the total number of people who have had the disease, and either recovered or died, i.e. the total number of concluded cases (recovered + deaths) with the death rate being the latter as a percentage of the concluded cases, and the recovery rate being the former as a percentage of them.

The total number of concluded cases is 11,156,147 (10,808,834 + 327,313)

Of these

327,313 have died, so the death rate is really 327,313/11,156,147 * 100 = 2.93%

10,808,834 have recovered so the recovery rate is really 10,808,834/11,156,147 * 100 = 97.07%

If this is correct, then to me it looks like the number of deaths is heading for a huge total. The number of unconcluded cases is 7347007 (18,503,154 - 11,156,147) and statistically, 2.93% of those will die - that's 215,267.

If we imagined no new cases from today onwards then the total death toll would be over 552,000, but in reality the new cases each day adds even more.

21st November 2020, 03:49 AM	#801
Cosmic Yak Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Where there's never a road broader than the back of your hand. Posts: 3,832	Originally Posted by Bubba Globalist Klaus Schwab: World Will “Never” Return to Normal After COVID In his book Covid-19: The Great Reset, World Economic Forum globalist Klaus Schwab asserts that the world will “never” return to normal, despite him admitting that coronavirus “doesn’t pose a new existential threat.” Breitbart’s James Delingpole unveils how Schwab is even more explicit in his book about the elite’s plan for exploiting the COVID pandemic than in his public statements.Schwab has continually pushed for COVID to be exploited to push for a new world order, claiming, “Now is the historical moment of time not only to fight the… virus but to shape the system… for the post-corona era.” https://summit.news/2020/11/10/globa...l-after-covid/ Originally Posted by unhinged far-right nutcases As Delingpole explains in his column, “The Great Reset” merely represents a re-packaging of the old globalist agenda which has been stuttering over the last decade. Namely, technocratic dictatorial rule by a tiny elite, the “green new deal,” the gradual abolition of private property, a guaranteed minimum wage that will see jobs replaced by robots, a crackdown on personal liberties and curtailing freedom of movement. I have linked to Schwab's full article below. Bubba, perhaps you would be so kind as to highlight the parts in it where he calls for the agenda laid out by your link? Hard to believe, but it looks like your highly biased and factually unreliable source has just made this up out of thin air. Your claim, your evidence. Where does Schwab call for these things? https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/...a-great-reset/
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21st November 2020, 07:50 AM	#802
eerok Quixoticist Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: ON Canada Posts: 3,445	Originally Posted by Cosmic Yak I have linked to Schwab's full article below. Bubba, perhaps you would be so kind as to highlight the parts in it where he calls for the agenda laid out by your link? Hard to believe, but it looks like your highly biased and factually unreliable source has just made this up out of thin air. Your claim, your evidence. Where does Schwab call for these things? https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/...a-great-reset/ Infowars got something wrong? Tell me it isn't true.
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22nd November 2020, 02:18 AM	#803
Cosmic Yak Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Where there's never a road broader than the back of your hand. Posts: 3,832	Originally Posted by eerok Infowars got something wrong? Tell me it isn't true. No doubt Bubba will be along in a minute to clear all this up. I'm sure he's just putting the finishing touches to a lengthy post detailing all those places where Schwab said the things he's claimed. Right, Bubba?
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22nd November 2020, 09:08 AM	#804
Hans Philosopher Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 8,417	Originally Posted by eerok Infowars got something wrong? Tell me it isn't true. That would be first - if we start counting yesterday....
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1st December 2020, 08:00 AM	#805
Gaetan Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 3,755	The media should stop spreading information about the pharmas vaccine that would be 95% or 100% effective because they are falsehoods to raise the price of shares and sell them for a profit. The truth is that a vaccine against Covid is not at all effective, 0%, since you have to be vaccinated every 4 months with a product that gives Alzheimer's or Parkinson's. The Chinese treat people with influenza with plants and vitamins, and they have 1,000 times fewer deaths. To have an optimum intake of vitamin C, an elderly person should eat a dozen oranges per day and to have a minimum intake of vitamin D, the person should spend at least 20 minutes per day in the sun with their arms uncovered, so these are two essential elements for immunity and it is not the noodles with tomato sauce and the little cake that we give to the elderly with a worn out digestive system that are going to be useful to them. They have to take supplements. For doctors, all plants or vitamins are useless since they are not products that pharmas can patent and resell at a high price. Our doctors are trained by a corrupt system to sell pharmaceutical drugs that kill huge numbers of people. You take like sleeping pills, they cause between 300,000 and 500,000 deaths in the United States per year, twice as many as covid, why doesn't the media count them one by one? If you do your studies you will find that the health and containment measures against covid are going and have caused more deaths than doing nothing. Older people are the victims of a corrupt health care system that leads them to suffering and death.
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1st December 2020, 04:05 PM	#806
Bubba Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 5,161	Johns Hopkins Study Mysteriously Disappears after it Revealed, In Spite of COVID, No More Deaths in 2020 Than In Prior Years Briand was quoted in the article as saying, “All of this points to no evidence that COVID-19 created any excess deaths. Total death numbers are not above normal death numbers.” This claim is incorrect and does not take into account the spike in raw death count from all causes compared to previous years. According to the CDC, there have been almost 300,000 excess deaths due to COVID-19. Additionally, Briand presented data of total U.S. deaths in comparison to COVID-19-related deaths as a proportion percentage, which trivializes the repercussions of the pandemic. This evidence does not disprove the severity of COVID-19; an increase in excess deaths is not represented in these proportionalities because they are offered as percentages, not raw numbers.Briand also claimed in her analysis that deaths due to heart diseases, respiratory diseases, influenza and pneumonia may be incorrectly categorized as COVID-19-related deaths. However, COVID-19 disproportionately affects those with preexisting conditions, so those with those underlying conditions are statistically more likely to be severely affected and die from the virus. https://www.jhunewsletter.com/articl...ue-to-covid-19
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1st December 2020, 04:29 PM	#807
dann Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 13,237	Originally Posted by Bubba Johns Hopkins Study Mysteriously Disappears after it Revealed, In Spite of COVID, No More Deaths in 2020 Than In Prior Years Briand was quoted in the article as saying, “All of this points to no evidence that COVID-19 created any excess deaths. Total death numbers are not above normal death numbers.” This claim is incorrect and does not take into account the spike in raw death count from all causes compared to previous years. According to the CDC, there have been almost 300,000 excess deaths due to COVID-19. Additionally, Briand presented data of total U.S. deaths in comparison to COVID-19-related deaths as a proportion percentage, which trivializes the repercussions of the pandemic. This evidence does not disprove the severity of COVID-19; an increase in excess deaths is not represented in these proportionalities because they are offered as percentages, not raw numbers.Briand also claimed in her analysis that deaths due to heart diseases, respiratory diseases, influenza and pneumonia may be incorrectly categorized as COVID-19-related deaths. However, COVID-19 disproportionately affects those with preexisting conditions, so those with those underlying conditions are statistically more likely to be severely affected and die from the virus. https://www.jhunewsletter.com/articl...ue-to-covid-19 And it continues: Quote: Because of these inaccuracies and our failure to provide additional information about the effects of COVID-19, The News-Letter decided to retract this article. It is our duty as a publication to combat the spread of misinformation and to enhance our fact-checking process. We apologize to our readers. What is the point you are trying to make?
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1st December 2020, 04:34 PM	#808
eerok Quixoticist Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: ON Canada Posts: 3,445	Originally Posted by Bubba Johns Hopkins Study Mysteriously Disappears after it Revealed, In Spite of COVID, No More Deaths in 2020 Than In Prior Years That is a lie. Originally Posted by Bubba https://www.jhunewsletter.com/articl...ue-to-covid-19 Maybe you should read it.
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1st December 2020, 04:54 PM	#809
bruto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Way way north of Diddy Wah Diddy Posts: 27,206	Vaccine conspiracy baloney, I see. I presume Gaetan has some actual reputable data to prove his far-out theories? Its OK with me though if he skips the vaccine and goes with the Chinese medicines. Limited supplies and all the more to others. If he wants to fry it's fine with me. Staying in the sun with one's arms uncovered around here will not cure you of much except life. If this were not the case, the homeless would not be dying. Gaetan, you should probably try to wrap whatever brain you are using around the concept that there are places that become very cold in winter.
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1st December 2020, 05:01 PM	#810
Matthew Ellard Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 3,763	Originally Posted by Bubba .....summit.news.... Bubba. "Summit News" is the new name for "Info Wars" and it has also been banned by You-Tube, Twitter and Facebook for telling lies. Try harder next time.

1st December 2020, 05:05 PM	#811
Resume Troublesome Passenger Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 18,590	2500 fellow U.S. citizens died today due to COVID-19. **** covid deniers.
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1st December 2020, 07:54 PM	#812
Leftus Master Poster Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 2,351	Originally Posted by Gaetan For doctors, all plants or vitamins are useless since they are not products that pharmas can patent and resell at a high price. Our doctors are trained by a corrupt system to sell pharmaceutical drugs that kill huge numbers of people. You take like sleeping pills, they cause between 300,000 and 500,000 deaths in the United States per year, twice as many as covid, why doesn't the media count them one by one? Why does my doctor have me on an Aspirin regimen and not some pharmaceutical? I've seen his credentials, he was trained at the highest corrupt schools, and even made the cover of some medical mag. Shouldn't he be pushing some statin or something? Or is he in the pocket of Big Generic, Big Store Brand? Also, where did you get your medical degree? My doc got his from Stanford.
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1st December 2020, 08:15 PM	#813
Craig4 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Alexandria, VA Home to the Deep State. Posts: 22,276	Bubba, where does Christine Grady work? You slandered her so you should really answer this question.
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2nd December 2020, 06:10 PM	#814
Resume Troublesome Passenger Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 18,590	Nearly 3000 fellow Americans died of COVID today. ** covid deniers, ** anti-maskers.
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2nd December 2020, 07:12 PM	#815
Little 10 Toes Master Poster Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 2,287	Originally Posted by Gaetan The media should stop spreading information about the pharmas vaccine that would be 95% or 100% effective because they are falsehoods to raise the price of shares and sell them for a profit. The truth is that a vaccine against Covid is not at all effective, 0%, since you have to be vaccinated every 4 months with a product that gives Alzheimer's or Parkinson's. Please provide evidence of everything. Did you know that you are wrong? Of course not. You open your mouth without researching. Some people would call you a liar due to your untruths. From the US Department of Health and Human Services: Quote: https://www.hhs.gov/coronavirus/expl...eed/index.html What are you doing to make these products affordable for Americans? The Administration is committed to providing free or low-cost COVID-19 countermeasures to the American people as fast as possible. Any vaccine or therapeutic doses purchased with US taxpayer dollars will be given to the American people at no cost. From the BBC: Quote: https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54027269 In the UK, mass distribution will be via the NHS health service. Student doctors and nurses, dentists and vets could be trained to back up existing NHS staff in administering the jab en masse. Consultation is currently under way. Other countries, such as Australia, have said they will offer free doses to their population. People receiving vaccines via humanitarian organizations - a vital cog in the global distribution wheel - will not be charged. Do you even know how vaccinations work or how long they last? Of course not. Had you done some research you would. From the The Immunisation Advisory Centre in New Zealand: Quote: https://www.immune.org.nz/vaccines/e...-effectiveness Duration of protection by vaccine Disease -- Estimated duration of protection from vaccine after receipt of all recommended doses 1,2 Pertussis(whooping cough) -- 4-6 years Diphtheria -- Around 10 years Tetanus -- 96% protected 13-14 years, 72% >25 years Polio -- >99% protected for at least 18 years Haemophilus influenzae type B -- >9 years to date Hepatitis B -- >20 years to date Measles -- Life-long in >96% vaccines Mumps -- >10 years in 90%, waning slowly over time Rubella -- Most vaccinees (>90%) protected >15-20 years Pneumococcal -- >4-5 years so far for conjugate vaccines Human papillomavirus -- >5-8 years to date Varicella -- One dose - unknown; Two doses >14 years to date [Table has been edited and reformatted to fit here] Returning to your post: Originally Posted by Gaetan The Chinese treat people with influenza with plants and vitamins, and they have 1,000 times fewer deaths. To have an optimum intake of vitamin C, an elderly person should eat a dozen oranges per day and to have a minimum intake of vitamin D, the person should spend at least 20 minutes per day in the sun with their arms uncovered, so these are two essential elements for immunity and it is not the noodles with tomato sauce and the little cake that we give to the elderly with a worn out digestive system that are going to be useful to them. They have to take supplements. From The Lancet: Quote: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...163-X/fulltext Influenza-associated excess respiratory mortality in China, 2010–15: a population-based study Discussion We estimated that 88 100 influenza-associated excess respiratory deaths occurred in mainland China during an influenza season, corresponding to 8·2% of annual respiratory deaths. Accordingly, the mean all-age excess respiratory mortality rate in mainland China of 6·5 (95% CI 6·3–6·8) per 100 000 person-seasons fell within the estimate for the Western Pacific region reported in a global study (95% credible interval 3·6–7·5 per 100 000 individuals), despite differences in modelling approaches. Our estimate was also similar to estimates previously published in other countries or regions or cities; eg, our point estimate of the overall influenza-associated excess respiratory mortality rate was similar to that reported for Hong Kong (6·3 per 100 000 person-years), higher than those reported in Yancheng, a subtropical city in eastern China (4·6 per 100 000 person-years), the USA (3·6 per 100 000 person-seasons), and Hefei, a subtropical city in China (2·7 per 100 000 person-years), and lower than that reported in western Kenya (10 per 100 000 person-years). Influenza virus infections might not only cause respiratory deaths, but also lead to deaths by triggering or exacerbating underlying chronic conditions such as cardiovascular diseases. Therefore, the estimated excess respiratory deaths in this study only reflected a fraction of all influenza-associated deaths. [Inline footnote links removed.] 12 oranges a day? Ah, it comes clear. You are an agent for Big Orange. And I notice you're making up things again. From the World Health Origination: Quote: https://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/...46123.pdf?ua=1 Top of page 158 of the document. Section 7.6.4 Elderly people frequently have low plasma ascorbate values and intakes lower than those in younger people, often because of problems of poor dentition or mobility (86). Elderly people are also more likely to have underlying subclinical diseases, which can also influence plasma ascorbate concentrations (see Chapter 8 on antioxidants). It has been suggested, however, that the requirements of elderly people do not differ substantially from those of younger people in the absence of pathology which may influence absorption or renal functioning (82). The RNIs for the elderly are therefore the same as those for adults (45mg/day). Let the fairy tale continue: Originally Posted by Gaetan For doctors, all plants or vitamins are useless since they are not products that pharmas can patent and resell at a high price. Our doctors are trained by a corrupt system to sell pharmaceutical drugs that kill huge numbers of people. You take like sleeping pills, they cause between 300,000 and 500,000 deaths in the United States per year, twice as many as covid, why doesn't the media count them one by one? This is the third time that you have tried using this "excuse". Why don't you take the time to go back and read the reports? Why don't you take the time to read the replies that show you are wrong? Originally Posted by Gaetan If you do your studies you will find that the health and containment measures against covid are going and have caused more deaths than doing nothing. Older people are the victims of a corrupt health care system that leads them to suffering and death. Really? What studies have you done? That's right you haven't or you would produce them. You will find that the health and containment have saved lives. Why do you continue to lie? I publicly ask you to produce evidence that doing nothing has caused more deaths that the current health and containment measures. Will you? No you won't. You will change the subject as soon as you get called out on providing evidence. Your arguments are not arguments. They're opinions. And not even good opinions. You remind me of the homeless people that I run into when I visit downtown babbling incoherently at anything, having conversations with themselves. At least they provide entertainment.
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2nd December 2020, 09:16 PM	#816
Craig4 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Alexandria, VA Home to the Deep State. Posts: 22,276	Originally Posted by Resume Nearly 3000 fellow Americans died of COVID today. ** covid deniers, ** anti-maskers. You might as well just say Trump supporters. Stupid mask deniers and stupid COVID deniers have the same fatal flaw. They are stupid enough to follow Trump. Let's not beat around the bush here. Mask denial, Covid denial, Trump support it's all the same thing, stupidity.
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2nd December 2020, 10:51 PM	#817
bruto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Way way north of Diddy Wah Diddy Posts: 27,206	The suggestion that doing nothing is more effective than taking measures against Covid is outrageously, demonstrably preposterous. It takes only a little research and a small modicum of intelligence to find that this is entirely false, and if anyone were fool enough to take the statement as advice, criminally stupid. I would for example suggest that one compare the rate of Covid infections and deaths between South Dakota and Vermont. A certain degree of crackpottery is to be expected here, but that stretches the boundary of the damnably false.
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3rd December 2020, 05:12 AM	#818
Cosmic Yak Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Where there's never a road broader than the back of your hand. Posts: 3,832	Originally Posted by Cosmic Yak I have linked to Schwab's full article below. Bubba, perhaps you would be so kind as to highlight the parts in it where he calls for the agenda laid out by your link? Hard to believe, but it looks like your highly biased and factually unreliable source has just made this up out of thin air. Your claim, your evidence. Where does Schwab call for these things? https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/...a-great-reset/ At the risk of incurring the wrath of the mods again, here's another unanswered question from Bubba. Answer (to no-one's great surprise): Nowhere in that article does Schwab say anything remotely resembling what infowars claimed he said. Failed claim. Yet again.
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3rd December 2020, 09:09 AM	#819
Gaetan Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 3,755	People should be wary of any experimental vaccines we are offered and ask questions before getting vaccinated. It is possible that they cause serious health problems 1,000 times worse than catching Covid. These vaccines have not been tested in the long term nor in the short term. The media will not denounce this filth that puts people's lives in danger for fear of feeding the so-called conspirators and seeing the state's anti-Covid advertising funds cut off. The more it goes, the more corruption. Money cost lifes.
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3rd December 2020, 12:53 PM	#820
Leftus Master Poster Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 2,351	Originally Posted by Gaetan It is possible that they cause serious health problems 1,000 times worse than catching Covid. It's also possible that it will make hair grow back, cure insomnia, and make you taller. I doubt that the vaccine has a death rate of 20%. Quick question, a man with your scientific learning, how are you not gainfully employed in the medical field? That might help you solve your cash flow problems.
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3rd December 2020, 08:12 PM	#821
bignickel Mad Mod Poet God Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 3,204	Originally Posted by Bubba Johns Hopkins Study Mysteriously Disappears after it Revealed, In Spite of COVID, No More Deaths in 2020 Than In Prior Years Briand was quoted in the article as saying, “All of this points to no evidence that COVID-19 created any excess deaths. Total death numbers are not above normal death numbers.” This claim is incorrect and does not take into account the spike in raw death count from all causes compared to previous https://www.jhunewsletter.com/articl...ue-to-covid-19 Ha ha, no, try John Hopkins university STUDENT paper. With an article filled with inaccuracies. That the paper retracted but took pains to still make available for those who care to read it. https://leadstories.com/hoax-alert/2...-censored.html
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4th December 2020, 12:36 PM	#822
Jack by the hedge Safely Ignored Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 10,778	Originally Posted by Gaetan These vaccines have not been tested in the long term nor in the short term. Well the virus hasn't existed for that long so I guess the long term claim, though pointless, isn't actually false, but the short term claim is just a flat out lie.

5th December 2020, 07:28 AM	#823
bruto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Way way north of Diddy Wah Diddy Posts: 27,206	Given that Covid carries with it a pretty significant likelihood of a nasty bout, and a non-trivial risk of death, I am trying to imagine what "1000 times" the harm from a vaccine would be. It's clearly a fearsome prospect, with evidence here that among the most susceptible, merely contemplating it causes brain death.
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5th December 2020, 08:59 AM	#824
Craig4 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Alexandria, VA Home to the Deep State. Posts: 22,276	Originally Posted by Gaetan People should be wary of any experimental vaccines we are offered and ask questions before getting vaccinated. It is possible that they cause serious health problems 1,000 times worse than catching Covid. These vaccines have not been tested in the long term nor in the short term. The media will not denounce this filth that puts people's lives in danger for fear of feeding the so-called conspirators and seeing the state's anti-Covid advertising funds cut off. The more it goes, the more corruption. Money cost lifes. Where did you go to medical school? Maybe you're a microbiologist? I notice you didn't link any studies to support your argument by assertion. Why do you think it's right for people with no medical training and no education in biology who don't cite evidence to give medical advice?
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5th December 2020, 09:00 PM	#825
Reformed Offlian Thinker Join Date: Apr 2020 Location: USA Posts: 194	Originally Posted by bruto Given that Covid carries with it a pretty significant likelihood of a nasty bout, and a non-trivial risk of death, I am trying to imagine what "1000 times" the harm from a vaccine would be. It's clearly a fearsome prospect, with evidence here that among the most susceptible, merely contemplating it causes brain death. Mortality rate for COVID is what, about 2%? So 1000 times the harm would be: if I get vaccinated not only am I guaranteed to die but also I'll take 20 unvaccinated people with me!

6th December 2020, 09:51 PM	#826
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 49,832	Originally Posted by Gaetan The media should stop spreading information about the pharmas vaccine that would be 95% or 100% effective because they are falsehoods to raise the price of shares and sell them for a profit. The truth is that a vaccine against Covid is not at all effective, 0%, since you have to be vaccinated every 4 months with a product that gives Alzheimer's or Parkinson's. The Chinese treat people with influenza with plants and vitamins, and they have 1,000 times fewer deaths. To have an optimum intake of vitamin C, an elderly person should eat a dozen oranges per day and to have a minimum intake of vitamin D, the person should spend at least 20 minutes per day in the sun with their arms uncovered, so these are two essential elements for immunity and it is not the noodles with tomato sauce and the little cake that we give to the elderly with a worn out digestive system that are going to be useful to them. They have to take supplements. For doctors, all plants or vitamins are useless since they are not products that pharmas can patent and resell at a high price. Our doctors are trained by a corrupt system to sell pharmaceutical drugs that kill huge numbers of people. You take like sleeping pills, they cause between 300,000 and 500,000 deaths in the United States per year, twice as many as covid, why doesn't the media count them one by one? If you do your studies you will find that the health and containment measures against covid are going and have caused more deaths than doing nothing. Older people are the victims of a corrupt health care system that leads them to suffering and death. My BS meter just exploded.
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6th December 2020, 09:52 PM	#827
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 49,832	Originally Posted by Craig4 Where did you go to medical school? Maybe you're a microbiologist? I notice you didn't link any studies to support your argument by assertion. Why do you think it's right for people with no medical training and no education in biology who don't cite evidence to give medical advice? Same place where Jenny McCarthy did.
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7th December 2020, 01:35 AM	#828
EHocking Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,438	Originally Posted by dudalb My BS meter just exploded. I’m not usually given over to Americanisms, but that’s not so much as BS as completely whackadoodle
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7th December 2020, 01:48 AM	#829
JesseCuster Graduate Poster Join Date: May 2016 Posts: 1,190	Originally Posted by Gaetan The Chinese treat people with influenza with plants and vitamins, and they have 1,000 times fewer deaths. Influenza kills 20,000 - 60,000 Americans every year. China has a population about 4 times that of the USA, so if the rate of influenza deaths in China was the same as in the USA, you'd expect 80,000 - 250,000 deaths per year. If your claim was true, then China must only experience 80 - 250 influenza related deaths per year. Can you back up this claim from a reliable source that China typically only has at most a couple of hundred people die from influenza each year?

7th December 2020, 02:04 AM	#830
Wudang BOFH Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: People's Republic of South Yorkshire Posts: 13,335	Link to Lancet PDF https://www.thelancet.com/pdfs/journ...19)30163-X.pdf Quote: Findings We fitted the linear regression model with the data from 22 of 31 provinces in mainland China, representing 83·0% of the total population. We estimated that an annual mean of 88100 (95% CI 84200–92000) influenza-associatedexcess respiratory deaths occurred in China in the 5 years studied, corresponding to 8·2% (95% CI 7·9–8·6) of respiratory deaths. The mean excess respiratory mortality rates per 100000 person-seasons for influenza A(H1N1)pdm09, A(H3N2), and B viruses were 1·6 (95% CI 1·5–1·7), 2·6 (2·4–2·8), and 2·3 (2·1–2·5), respectively. Estimated excess respiratory mortality rates per 100000 person-seasons were 1·5 (95% CI 1·1–1·9) for individuals younger than 60 years and 38·5 (36·8–40·2) for individuals aged 60 years or older. Approximately 71000 (95% CI 67 800–74 100) influenza-associated excess respiratory deaths occurred in individuals aged 60 years or older, corresponding to 80% of such deaths.
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7th December 2020, 02:13 AM	#831
JesseCuster Graduate Poster Join Date: May 2016 Posts: 1,190	So China doesn't have 1,000 less times flu mortality than the USA...

19th December 2020, 01:26 AM	#832
dann Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 13,237	Bolsonaro warns Brazilians against the vaccine: Quote: This time he said that vaccine which is being developed by Pfizer-BioNTech could turn people into 'crocodiles' or 'bearded ladies', depending on what people would think is the worst. 'If you turn into a crocodile...': Brazil President Jair Bolsonaro on Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine side effects (freepressjournal.in)
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20th December 2020, 02:06 PM	#833
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 49,832	Conspiracy theories already exploding about the mutated strain of Covid that is breaking out in Britian. CHina is responsible , of course.
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21st December 2020, 01:03 AM	#834
EHocking Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,438	Originally Posted by dudalb Conspiracy theories already exploding about the mutated strain of Covid that is breaking out in Britian. It is not helpful that the government of Britain seems to be the main distributor of misinformation, claiming it is 70% more infectious than other strains. There is no scientific evidence for this. When the South Australia gov tried the same ****** to cover up their poor response to an outbreak there, multiple virologists and researchers pointed out the ****** for what it was. It is stupid scaremongering by a government to try to get people to take action because the government’s own response was/is inadequate. Quote: CHina is responsible , of course.
EHocking Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,438	__________________ "A closed mouth gathers no feet" "Ignorance is a renewable resource" P.J.O'Rourke "It's all god's handiwork, there's little quality control applied", Fox26 reporter on Texas granite You can't make up anything anymore. The world itself is a satire. All you're doing is recording it. Art Buchwald

21st December 2020, 12:55 PM	#835
CaptainHowdy Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 1,642	Originally Posted by EHocking It is not helpful that the government of Britain seems to be the main distributor of misinformation, claiming it is 70% more infectious than other strains. There is no scientific evidence for this. When the South Australia gov tried the same ****** to cover up their poor response to an outbreak there, multiple virologists and researchers pointed out the **** for what it was. It is stupid scaremongering by a government to try to get people to take action because the government’s own response was/is inadequate. That article doesn't say the new mutation isn't 70% more infectious. It says that '70% more infectious' hasn't been nailed down and that other unpublished studies have estimated higher and lower figures. But, yes, it is stupid scaremongering from a government. It is intended to get people to follow the rules. Not for any health/safety reasons but merely to exert control and determine exactly how much ****** the public will submit to before they revolt.