|
Welcome to the International Skeptics Forum, where we discuss skepticism, critical thinking, the paranormal and science in a friendly but lively way. You are currently viewing the forum as a guest, which means you are missing out on discussing matters that are of interest to you. Please consider registering so you can gain full use of the forum features and interact with other Members. Registration is simple, fast and free! Click here to register today. |
![]() |
#801 |
Illuminator
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Where there's never a road broader than the back of your hand.
Posts: 3,832
|
Originally Posted by unhinged far-right nutcases
Bubba, perhaps you would be so kind as to highlight the parts in it where he calls for the agenda laid out by your link? Hard to believe, but it looks like your highly biased and factually unreliable source has just made this up out of thin air. Your claim, your evidence. Where does Schwab call for these things? https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/...a-great-reset/ |
__________________
Fortuna Faveat Fatuis |
|
![]() ![]() |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
![]() |
#802 |
Quixoticist
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: ON Canada
Posts: 3,445
|
|
__________________
"Every saint has a past and every sinner has a future." - Oscar Wilde |
|
![]() ![]() |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
![]() |
#803 |
Illuminator
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Where there's never a road broader than the back of your hand.
Posts: 3,832
|
|
__________________
Fortuna Faveat Fatuis |
|
![]() ![]() |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
![]() |
#804 |
Philosopher
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 8,417
|
|
![]() ![]() |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
![]() |
#805 |
Illuminator
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 3,755
|
The media should stop spreading information about the pharmas vaccine that would be 95% or 100% effective because they are falsehoods to raise the price of shares and sell them for a profit. The truth is that a vaccine against Covid is not at all effective, 0%, since you have to be vaccinated every 4 months with a product that gives Alzheimer's or Parkinson's.
The Chinese treat people with influenza with plants and vitamins, and they have 1,000 times fewer deaths. To have an optimum intake of vitamin C, an elderly person should eat a dozen oranges per day and to have a minimum intake of vitamin D, the person should spend at least 20 minutes per day in the sun with their arms uncovered, so these are two essential elements for immunity and it is not the noodles with tomato sauce and the little cake that we give to the elderly with a worn out digestive system that are going to be useful to them. They have to take supplements. For doctors, all plants or vitamins are useless since they are not products that pharmas can patent and resell at a high price. Our doctors are trained by a corrupt system to sell pharmaceutical drugs that kill huge numbers of people. You take like sleeping pills, they cause between 300,000 and 500,000 deaths in the United States per year, twice as many as covid, why doesn't the media count them one by one? If you do your studies you will find that the health and containment measures against covid are going and have caused more deaths than doing nothing. Older people are the victims of a corrupt health care system that leads them to suffering and death. |
![]() ![]() |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
![]() |
#806 |
Philosopher
Join Date: Oct 2014
Posts: 5,161
|
Johns Hopkins Study Mysteriously Disappears after it Revealed, In Spite of COVID, No More Deaths in 2020 Than In Prior Years
Briand was quoted in the article as saying, “All of this points to no evidence that COVID-19 created any excess deaths. Total death numbers are not above normal death numbers.” This claim is incorrect and does not take into account the spike in raw death count from all causes compared to previous years. According to the CDC, there have been almost 300,000 excess deaths due to COVID-19. Additionally, Briand presented data of total U.S. deaths in comparison to COVID-19-related deaths as a proportion percentage, which trivializes the repercussions of the pandemic. This evidence does not disprove the severity of COVID-19; an increase in excess deaths is not represented in these proportionalities because they are offered as percentages, not raw numbers.Briand also claimed in her analysis that deaths due to heart diseases, respiratory diseases, influenza and pneumonia may be incorrectly categorized as COVID-19-related deaths. However, COVID-19 disproportionately affects those with preexisting conditions, so those with those underlying conditions are statistically more likely to be severely affected and die from the virus. https://www.jhunewsletter.com/articl...ue-to-covid-19 |
![]() ![]() |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
![]() |
#807 |
Penultimate Amazing
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 13,237
|
|
__________________
/dann "Stupidity renders itself invisible by assuming very large proportions. Completely unreasonable claims are irrefutable. Ni-en-leh pointed out that a philosopher might get into trouble by claiming that two times two makes five, but he does not risk much by claiming that two times two makes shoe polish." B. Brecht "The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions." K. Marx |
|
![]() ![]() |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
![]() |
#808 |
Quixoticist
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: ON Canada
Posts: 3,445
|
|
__________________
"Every saint has a past and every sinner has a future." - Oscar Wilde |
|
![]() ![]() |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
![]() |
#809 |
Penultimate Amazing
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Way way north of Diddy Wah Diddy
Posts: 27,206
|
Vaccine conspiracy baloney, I see. I presume Gaetan has some actual reputable data to prove his far-out theories?
Its OK with me though if he skips the vaccine and goes with the Chinese medicines. Limited supplies and all the more to others. If he wants to fry it's fine with me. Staying in the sun with one's arms uncovered around here will not cure you of much except life. If this were not the case, the homeless would not be dying. Gaetan, you should probably try to wrap whatever brain you are using around the concept that there are places that become very cold in winter. |
__________________
I love this world, but not for its answers. (Mary Oliver) Quand il dit "cuic" le moineau croit tout dire. (When he's tweeted the sparrow thinks he's said it all. (Jules Renard) |
|
![]() ![]() |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
![]() |
#810 |
Illuminator
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 3,763
|
|
![]() ![]() |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
![]() |
#811 |
Troublesome Passenger
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 18,590
|
2500 fellow U.S. citizens died today due to COVID-19. **** covid deniers.
|
__________________
He must be removed. George Will on President Donald J. Trump. June 1, 2020 |
|
![]() ![]() |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
![]() |
#812 |
Master Poster
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 2,351
|
Why does my doctor have me on an Aspirin regimen and not some pharmaceutical? I've seen his credentials, he was trained at the highest corrupt schools, and even made the cover of some medical mag. Shouldn't he be pushing some statin or something? Or is he in the pocket of Big Generic, Big Store Brand?
Also, where did you get your medical degree? My doc got his from Stanford. |
![]() ![]() |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
![]() |
#813 |
Penultimate Amazing
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Alexandria, VA Home to the Deep State.
Posts: 22,276
|
Bubba, where does Christine Grady work? You slandered her so you should really answer this question.
|
__________________
A MAGA hat = a Swastika arm band. A vote for Trump is a vote for treason. |
|
![]() ![]() |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
![]() |
#814 |
Troublesome Passenger
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 18,590
|
Nearly 3000 fellow Americans died of COVID today. **** covid deniers, **** anti-maskers.
|
__________________
He must be removed. George Will on President Donald J. Trump. June 1, 2020 |
|
![]() ![]() |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
![]() |
#815 |
Master Poster
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 2,287
|
Please provide evidence of everything.
Did you know that you are wrong? Of course not. You open your mouth without researching. Some people would call you a liar due to your untruths. From the US Department of Health and Human Services:
Quote:
Quote:
From the The Immunisation Advisory Centre in New Zealand:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaetan
From The Lancet:
Quote:
From the World Health Origination:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaetan
Originally Posted by Gaetan
Why do you continue to lie? I publicly ask you to produce evidence that doing nothing has caused more deaths that the current health and containment measures. Will you? No you won't. You will change the subject as soon as you get called out on providing evidence. Your arguments are not arguments. They're opinions. And not even good opinions. You remind me of the homeless people that I run into when I visit downtown babbling incoherently at anything, having conversations with themselves. At least they provide entertainment. |
__________________
I'm an "intellectual giant, with access to wilkipedia [sic]" "I believe in some ways; communicating with afterlife is easier than communicating with me." -Tim4848 who said he would no longer post here, twice in fact, but he did. |
|
![]() ![]() |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
![]() |
#816 |
Penultimate Amazing
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Alexandria, VA Home to the Deep State.
Posts: 22,276
|
|
__________________
A MAGA hat = a Swastika arm band. A vote for Trump is a vote for treason. |
|
![]() ![]() |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
![]() |
#817 |
Penultimate Amazing
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Way way north of Diddy Wah Diddy
Posts: 27,206
|
The suggestion that doing nothing is more effective than taking measures against Covid is outrageously, demonstrably preposterous.
It takes only a little research and a small modicum of intelligence to find that this is entirely false, and if anyone were fool enough to take the statement as advice, criminally stupid. I would for example suggest that one compare the rate of Covid infections and deaths between South Dakota and Vermont. A certain degree of crackpottery is to be expected here, but that stretches the boundary of the damnably false. |
__________________
I love this world, but not for its answers. (Mary Oliver) Quand il dit "cuic" le moineau croit tout dire. (When he's tweeted the sparrow thinks he's said it all. (Jules Renard) |
|
![]() ![]() |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
![]() |
#818 |
Illuminator
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Where there's never a road broader than the back of your hand.
Posts: 3,832
|
|
__________________
Fortuna Faveat Fatuis |
|
![]() ![]() |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
![]() |
#819 |
Illuminator
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 3,755
|
People should be wary of any experimental vaccines we are offered and ask questions before getting vaccinated. It is possible that they cause serious health problems 1,000 times worse than catching Covid. These vaccines have not been tested in the long term nor in the short term. The media will not denounce this filth that puts people's lives in danger for fear of feeding the so-called conspirators and seeing the state's anti-Covid advertising funds cut off. The more it goes, the more corruption. Money cost lifes.
|
![]() ![]() |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
![]() |
#820 |
Master Poster
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 2,351
|
It's also possible that it will make hair grow back, cure insomnia, and make you taller.
I doubt that the vaccine has a death rate of 20%. Quick question, a man with your scientific learning, how are you not gainfully employed in the medical field? That might help you solve your cash flow problems. |
![]() ![]() |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
![]() |
#821 |
Mad Mod Poet God
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: St. Louis, MO
Posts: 3,204
|
Ha ha, no, try John Hopkins university STUDENT paper. With an article filled with inaccuracies. That the paper retracted but took pains to still make available for those who care to read it.
https://leadstories.com/hoax-alert/2...-censored.html |
__________________
"You can find that book everywhere and the risk is that many people who read it believe that those fairy tales are real. I think I have the responsibility to clear things up to unmask the cheap lies contained in books like that." - Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone |
|
![]() ![]() |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
![]() |
#822 |
Safely Ignored
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 10,778
|
|
![]() ![]() |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
![]() |
#823 |
Penultimate Amazing
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Way way north of Diddy Wah Diddy
Posts: 27,206
|
Given that Covid carries with it a pretty significant likelihood of a nasty bout, and a non-trivial risk of death, I am trying to imagine what "1000 times" the harm from a vaccine would be. It's clearly a fearsome prospect, with evidence here that among the most susceptible, merely contemplating it causes brain death.
|
__________________
I love this world, but not for its answers. (Mary Oliver) Quand il dit "cuic" le moineau croit tout dire. (When he's tweeted the sparrow thinks he's said it all. (Jules Renard) |
|
![]() ![]() |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
![]() |
#824 |
Penultimate Amazing
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Alexandria, VA Home to the Deep State.
Posts: 22,276
|
Where did you go to medical school? Maybe you're a microbiologist? I notice you didn't link any studies to support your argument by assertion. Why do you think it's right for people with no medical training and no education in biology who don't cite evidence to give medical advice?
|
__________________
A MAGA hat = a Swastika arm band. A vote for Trump is a vote for treason. |
|
![]() ![]() |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
![]() |
#825 |
Thinker
Join Date: Apr 2020
Location: USA
Posts: 194
|
|
![]() ![]() |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
![]() |
#826 |
Penultimate Amazing
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Sacramento
Posts: 49,832
|
|
__________________
Pacifism is a shifty doctrine under which a man accepts the benefits of the social group without being willing to pay - and claims a halo for his dishonesty. Robert Heinlein. |
|
![]() ![]() |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
![]() |
#827 |
Penultimate Amazing
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Sacramento
Posts: 49,832
|
|
__________________
Pacifism is a shifty doctrine under which a man accepts the benefits of the social group without being willing to pay - and claims a halo for his dishonesty. Robert Heinlein. |
|
![]() ![]() |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
![]() |
#828 |
Philosopher
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 8,438
|
|
__________________
"A closed mouth gathers no feet" "Ignorance is a renewable resource" P.J.O'Rourke "It's all god's handiwork, there's little quality control applied", Fox26 reporter on Texas granite You can't make up anything anymore. The world itself is a satire. All you're doing is recording it. Art Buchwald |
|
![]() ![]() |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
![]() |
#829 |
Graduate Poster
Join Date: May 2016
Posts: 1,190
|
Influenza kills 20,000 - 60,000 Americans every year. China has a population about 4 times that of the USA, so if the rate of influenza deaths in China was the same as in the USA, you'd expect 80,000 - 250,000 deaths per year. If your claim was true, then China must only experience 80 - 250 influenza related deaths per year.
Can you back up this claim from a reliable source that China typically only has at most a couple of hundred people die from influenza each year? |
![]() ![]() |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
![]() |
#830 |
BOFH
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: People's Republic of South Yorkshire
Posts: 13,335
|
|
__________________
"Your deepest pools, like your deepest politicians and philosophers, often turn out more shallow than expected." Walter Scott. |
|
![]() ![]() |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
![]() |
#831 |
Graduate Poster
Join Date: May 2016
Posts: 1,190
|
So China doesn't have 1,000 less times flu mortality than the USA...
|
![]() ![]() |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
![]() |
#832 |
Penultimate Amazing
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 13,237
|
Bolsonaro warns Brazilians against the vaccine:
Quote:
|
__________________
/dann "Stupidity renders itself invisible by assuming very large proportions. Completely unreasonable claims are irrefutable. Ni-en-leh pointed out that a philosopher might get into trouble by claiming that two times two makes five, but he does not risk much by claiming that two times two makes shoe polish." B. Brecht "The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions." K. Marx |
|
![]() ![]() |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
![]() |
#833 |
Penultimate Amazing
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Sacramento
Posts: 49,832
|
Conspiracy theories already exploding about the mutated strain of Covid that is breaking out in Britian.
CHina is responsible , of course. |
__________________
Pacifism is a shifty doctrine under which a man accepts the benefits of the social group without being willing to pay - and claims a halo for his dishonesty. Robert Heinlein. |
|
![]() ![]() |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
![]() |
#834 |
Philosopher
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 8,438
|
It is not helpful that the government of Britain seems to be the main distributor of misinformation, claiming it is 70% more infectious than other strains.
There is no scientific evidence for this. When the South Australia gov tried the same ******** to cover up their poor response to an outbreak there, multiple virologists and researchers pointed out the ******** for what it was. It is stupid scaremongering by a government to try to get people to take action because the government’s own response was/is inadequate.
Quote:
|
__________________
"A closed mouth gathers no feet" "Ignorance is a renewable resource" P.J.O'Rourke "It's all god's handiwork, there's little quality control applied", Fox26 reporter on Texas granite You can't make up anything anymore. The world itself is a satire. All you're doing is recording it. Art Buchwald |
|
![]() ![]() |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
![]() |
#835 |
Graduate Poster
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 1,642
|
That article doesn't say the new mutation isn't 70% more infectious. It says that '70% more infectious' hasn't been nailed down and that other unpublished studies have estimated higher and lower figures.
But, yes, it is stupid scaremongering from a government. It is intended to get people to follow the rules. Not for any health/safety reasons but merely to exert control and determine exactly how much ******** the public will submit to before they revolt. |
![]() ![]() |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
![]() |
#836 |
Philosopher
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 5,263
|
|
![]() ![]() |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
![]() |
#837 | |||
Philosopher
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 8,438
|
Keep calm and carry on, except . . .
“The new variant is out of control and we need to bring it under control,” Matt Hancock, the health secretary, told the BBC. He urged his countrymen to “act like you have the virus.”
|
|||
__________________
"A closed mouth gathers no feet" "Ignorance is a renewable resource" P.J.O'Rourke "It's all god's handiwork, there's little quality control applied", Fox26 reporter on Texas granite You can't make up anything anymore. The world itself is a satire. All you're doing is recording it. Art Buchwald |
||||
![]() ![]() |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
![]() |
#838 |
Mistral, mistral wind...
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Embedded, reporting from Mississippi
Posts: 4,526
|
|
__________________
I'm tired of the bombs, tired of the bullets, tired of the crazies on TV; I'm the aviator, a dream's a dream whatever it seems Deep Purple- "The Aviator" Life was a short shelf that came with bookends- Stephen King |
|
![]() ![]() |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
![]() |
#839 |
Illuminator
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Where there's never a road broader than the back of your hand.
Posts: 3,832
|
|
__________________
Fortuna Faveat Fatuis |
|
![]() ![]() |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
![]() |
#840 |
Penultimate Amazing
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Nelson, New Zealand
Posts: 16,393
|
I have an issue with the data given on this website, and I would appreciate any comment as to whether or not I have this wrong... i.e. am I missing something here?
https://www.coronatracker.com/country/united-states/ This data changes daily, but at the time of posting 18,503,154 Confirmed cases (+29,438 new cases)... in particular, its the significance of the last two figures I am questioning. Even though it clearly states "of total cases" people who don't understand the maths here, or look only at the percentages, could still come away with the wrong impression. For mine, those rates should be calculated by looking at the total number of people who have had the disease, and either recovered or died, i.e. the total number of concluded cases (recovered + deaths) with the death rate being the latter as a percentage of the concluded cases, and the recovery rate being the former as a percentage of them. The total number of concluded cases is 11,156,147 (10,808,834 + 327,313) Of these 327,313 have died, so the death rate is really 327,313/11,156,147 * 100 = 2.93% 10,808,834 have recovered so the recovery rate is really 10,808,834/11,156,147 * 100 = 97.07% If this is correct, then to me it looks like the number of deaths is heading for a huge total. The number of unconcluded cases is 7347007 (18,503,154 - 11,156,147) and statistically, 2.93% of those will die - that's 215,267. If we imagined no new cases from today onwards then the total death toll would be over 552,000, but in reality the new cases each day adds even more. |
__________________
I want to thank the 126 Republican Congress members for providing a convenient and well organized list for the mid-terms. - Fred Wellman (Senior VA Advisor to The Lincoln Project) ![]() |
|
![]() ![]() |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
![]() |
Bookmarks |
Thread Tools | |
|
|