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Old 6th January 2017, 10:26 PM   #1321
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Other than the over g bit, I cannot recall any of Kokomojojo's specific arguments. What I do recall is just basic contrarianism towards anything that was not conspiracy.
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Old 7th January 2017, 11:25 AM   #1322
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Trump is declared right by Internet liars -

http://911debunkers.blogspot.com/201...why-twins.html

Trump was right, 9/11 truth is based on BS people make up without thinking, without science; talk, the evidence used by internet kids who have no practical knowledge of physics, science, and math.

This web site continues to spew nonsense based on overwhelming ignorance. Has to be a scam to get 9/11 truth nuts to hit on the ads - follow the money, or are the authors of this dumbed down claptrap unable to do science.
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Old 7th January 2017, 04:53 PM   #1323
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Originally Posted by beachnut View Post
http://911debunkers.blogspot.com/201...why-twins.html



Trump was right, 9/11 truth is based on BS people make up without thinking, without science; talk, the evidence used by internet kids who have no practical knowledge of physics, science, and math.



This web site continues to spew nonsense based on overwhelming ignorance. Has to be a scam to get 9/11 truth nuts to hit on the ads - follow the money, or are the authors of this dumbed down claptrap unable to do science.


Quoth the Donald "...I just think that there was a plane with more than just fuel..." and "...It just seemed to me that to do that kind of destruction..."

Some BS right there.
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Old 8th January 2017, 10:15 AM   #1324
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Originally Posted by TheSupermeerkat View Post
Quoth the Donald "...I just think that there was a plane with more than just fuel..." and "...It just seemed to me that to do that kind of destruction..."
Some BS right there.

Please clarify. I hope you don't think the aircraft was filled with explosives.
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Old 8th January 2017, 01:14 PM   #1325
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Originally Posted by TheSupermeerkat View Post
Quoth the Donald "...I just think that there was a plane with more than just fuel..." and "...It just seemed to me that to do that kind of destruction..."

Some BS right there.
Holy cow, can you cite those quotes?

Not that they're out of character, but I haven't seen them.
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Old 8th January 2017, 03:07 PM   #1326
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Originally Posted by phiwum View Post
Holy cow, can you cite those quotes?

Not that they're out of character, but I haven't seen them.
They are from the donald the day of 9/11, or the next from an interview.
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Donald Trump: Right. I just think that there was a plane with more than just fuel. I think obviously they were very big planes. They were going very rapidly, because I was also watching where the plane seemed to be not only going fast it seems to be coming down into the building. So is getting the speed from going down hill so to speak. It just seemed to me that to do that kind of destruction is even more than a big plane because you're talking about talking about steel, the heaviest caliber steel that was used on the building. These buildings were rock-solid and you know it's just an amazing amazing thing. This country is different today and it's going to be different than it ever was for many years to come.
These are first impressions, and don't mean much.
The impact's kinetic energy were more than a plane and fuel, there was velocity squared; adding up to equal energy to bombs ranging from 1300 to 2000 pounds of TNT. It was more than planes and fuel, it was kinetic energy.
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Old 9th January 2017, 07:34 AM   #1327
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Originally Posted by beachnut View Post
They are from the donald the day of 9/11, or the next from an interview.

These are first impressions, and don't mean much.
The impact's kinetic energy were more than a plane and fuel, there was velocity squared; adding up to equal energy to bombs ranging from 1300 to 2000 pounds of TNT. It was more than planes and fuel, it was kinetic energy.
Yes, first impressions from a person obviously out of his field of expertise, judging from his choice of words.
Might as well have asked the Trump Tower janitor for his impressions.
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Old 17th February 2017, 12:24 AM   #1328
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In a moment of boredom-inspired whimsy, I decided to have a little wander through the David Icke forum.
Quite glad I did, as I came across this thread, containing the following couple of gems:

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There were no planes at all on 9/11. WTC7 had a command centre within it and was supposed to "collapse" during the collapses of one of the twins.

This didn't work - so the just demolished it at he end of the day.
They blew up their own command and control centre? Where was that controlled from, then?

And this:
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In all probability the three remaining planes were diverted to military base ,and passengers sold on the ET slave market (I'm deadly serious)
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Old 17th February 2017, 06:22 AM   #1329
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The ET comment has to be a Poe, mate.

I cam across some Truthers in the wild on FB recently. Waded in on them in a slightly bad tempered way. They did the normal Black Knight routine and then they all went quite. Didn't even have the conviction in their own beliefs sufficient to make a stand.

It's a funny old game.
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Old 21st February 2017, 06:06 PM   #1330
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The ET comment has to be a Poe, mate.

I cam across some Truthers in the wild on FB recently. Waded in on them in a slightly bad tempered way. They did the normal Black Knight routine and then they all went quite. Didn't even have the conviction in their own beliefs sufficient to make a stand.

It's a funny old game.
He probably watched this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4xPekAUd-w
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Old 21st February 2017, 07:23 PM   #1331
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A crazy person's elegant solution to the "sounds of explosions" question:

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Old 22nd February 2017, 12:47 AM   #1332
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Originally Posted by MicahJava View Post
A crazy person's elegant solution to the "sounds of explosions" question:

https://i.imgur.com/jQKblyc.png
Finally! It's good to see that Tony Szamboti has at last published his detailed, science-based analysis of the collapse of the towers.
In your face, NIST!
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Old 23rd February 2017, 01:17 AM   #1333
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Originally Posted by Architect View Post
The ET comment has to be a Poe, mate.

I cam across some Truthers in the wild on FB recently. Waded in on them in a slightly bad tempered way. They did the normal Black Knight routine and then they all went quite. Didn't even have the conviction in their own beliefs sufficient to make a stand.

It's a funny old game.
The person who posted that is a Senior Member of the DIF, so I think it's unlikely to be a Poe. To be fair, one other member has taken issue with it, but the rest have seemingly accepted this as perfectly plausible.
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Old 23rd February 2017, 09:38 AM   #1334
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Any word on an official Iranian investigation?

I know that the intrepid en-ves-tah-gay-tahs at AE911T have produced their Deep Analysis by Mining YOUtube (DAMYOU), but what are the Iranians doing?

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Any word on an official Iranian investigation?

I know that the intrepid en-ves-tah-gay-tahs at AE911T have produced their Deep Analysis by Mining YOUtube (DAMYOU), but what are the Iranians doing?
D'oh! I see that the Iranian report is to be completed in about a month.

Those fancy pants AE911Ters already gots a report via the DAMYOU method. (soon to be adopted by forensic engineers world wide, I am sure)
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Originally Posted by jaydeehess View Post
Any word on an official Iranian investigation?

I know that the intrepid en-ves-tah-gay-tahs at AE911T have produced their Deep Analysis by Mining YOUtube (DAMYOU), but what are the Iranians doing?
I think you may be in the wrong thread, old chap, but anyway:

Isn't it interesting to see AE911Truth collaborating in an official government investigation? Bit of a turnaround from their original stance, methinks.
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Old 26th February 2017, 01:24 PM   #1337
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Maybe it is insanity. It is a legacy of stupidity by Balsamo and complete insanity by over 5,000 members... failed education?
https://www.facebook.com/groups/pilotsfortruth/

Facebook group unknowingly celebrates ignorance. Is there money spreading the lie of chemtrails by asking for funding a study? Balsamo's is paranoid and stupid, or trying to find some money for nothing from nuts on the internet.
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Originally Posted by YTer SaiyanPride 17
Ok so a [twig] and a block of wood have the same melting temp? See the problem?
I don't know if he'll ever grasp the stupidity of that statement.
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I don't know if he'll ever grasp the stupidity of that statement.

I'm trying to decide which is stupider: The notion that wood has a melting point, or the notion that the melting point of a material somehow depends on the size of an object made of that material.
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I think every now and then you have to call out a wannabe debunker:

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Building 7 collapsed due to shock waves generated by the collapse of the north and south main structures . These shock waves travel exactly like a shock wave travels from a moving train that hits a bad section of rail . The sound produces a wave that travels through the ground . And in the case of trains or heavy traffic , they are known to fracture underground pipes , even buried tank structures . That's why tanks that are to be buried underground near railroad tracks or major highways need to be placed in heavy concrete bunkers . The shock waves on 911 were thousands of times stronger and damaged building 7's foundation supports which led to eventual collapse . Conspiracy theories are based on emotion . They aren't factual .
WTC7 collapsed from shock waves from WTC1 & WTC2.....7 and 7 1/2 hours after the fact....respectively. Apparently the fires were irrelevant.
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I think every now and then you have to call out a wannabe debunker:



WTC7 collapsed from shock waves from WTC1 & WTC2.....7 and 7 1/2 hours after the fact....respectively. Apparently the fires were irrelevant.
Must have been the shockwaves' second or third trip around the world.
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Must have been the shockwaves' second or third trip around the world.
LOL!

I hadn't thought of that. Now it makes sense!

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I don't have a source for where this theory came from (apologies if it's already been mentioned on this thread), but I recall years ago reading a truther thread where the claim was made that the buildings fell faster than freefall. The person making that claim clearly hadn't thought through the ramifications of such an idea.

Like a lot of conspiracy theories, it was simply based upon some supposed "anomaly" with the "official story" and therefore the official story was fake and the whole thing is a conspiracy. And like a lot of conspiracy theory "anomalies", the supposed anomaly didn't actually make sense in the context of a conspiracy or (lots of conspiracy theory "anomalies" with the "official story" make less sense in the context of the conspiracy being touted).

When it was pointed out to him that the common alternative theories behind the collapse of the towers (for example, a controlled demolition involving planted explosives or thermite or whatever) would not actually make the buildings fall faster than free fall, because that would be impossible no matter what caused the buildings to fall, he came up with quite an astounding theory as to what caused the buildings to fall faster than freefall.

He had clearly hung hit hat on the idea of faster than freefall collapse and would not change his mind on that matter, so he therefore concluded that there must have been some sort of force that pulled the buildings downward faster than gravity could have made them collapse. His conclusion? A nuclear bomb in the basements of the towers exploded and caused a vacuum under the towers. The vacuum was large enough to effectively suck the buildings downward faster than freefall to fill the space caused by the nuclear explosions.

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I think I remember hearing that one too. A clear example of a little knowledge (nuclear bomb, vacuum) being a dangerous thing.
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I don't have a source for where this theory came from (apologies if it's already been mentioned on this thread), but I recall years ago reading a truther thread where the claim was made that the buildings fell faster than freefall. The person making that claim clearly hadn't thought through the ramifications of such an idea.

Like a lot of conspiracy theories, it was simply based upon some supposed "anomaly" with the "official story" and therefore the official story was fake and the whole thing is a conspiracy. And like a lot of conspiracy theory "anomalies", the supposed anomaly didn't actually make sense in the context of a conspiracy or (lots of conspiracy theory "anomalies" with the "official story" make less sense in the context of the conspiracy being touted).
You may be thinking of Crockett Grabbe:

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Figure 5 of Chap 2. South Tower collapse 1 second after Figure 3, in which gray clouds coming from the lower part of the top segment have quickly grown to a large size, at the same time at which the top segment has moved down in height 70 feet in that second, indicating an average acceleration rate in that second over 4X as large as gravitational acceleration.[1] The top segment is clearly disintegrating at its bottom.
http://www.sealane.org/blog/Bazantegg.shtml
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Moments of optically measured greater than freefall acceleration could have happened in WTC7 as part of collapse dynamics due to leverage of the interior on the exterior. Maybe such a momentary phenomena could also be measured initially in WTC1/2 due to upper block rotation, but I am not aware of any discussion of it.
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...but I am not aware of any discussion of it.
There is no discussion that I am aware of however:

1) The controversy over "freefall" at WTC 7 was during the "progression to global collapse" stage - when bits of free fall would not be unexpected despite Chandler and truth movement assertions to the contrary. And "...leverage of the interior on the exterior.." is a plausible explanation - for that stage of collapse.

2) The "upper block rotation" occurred during the late "initiation stage" for the Twin Towers - during transition to the progression stage which has been described as "ROOSD" - i.e. just before the break up of (at least most of) the Top Block and corresponding break up of the top of the Lower Tower.

Contrary to some explanations there was no free fall dropping of the entity of the Top Block so no source for possible "G" (or "over G") by leveraging. The "guts" of the Top Block did not collapse first contrary to the WTC7 progression event.

So the potential for "free fall" in the initiation /transition stage - when the rotation occurred - will be limited to single structural members or small sub-systems which have been broken free as part of initial impact and or the initiation cascading failure sequence.

And even if there were such examples they do not offer the potential for significant effect that the free fall of the WTC7 façade offered. Where by "significant" I probably mean "opportunities for truther mendacity".

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Gravity seems to confuse a lot of people:

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When the Sept. 11 attacks occurred, the Center towers collapsed in six seconds, Miller says, not the 12 seconds it would have taken normal matter. Plus, all the concrete turned to dust. Having discovered the "mathematical interface that all steel is plastic" some years back, Miller understands perfectly what "the physics of plastic" is trying to tell him: A magnetic pulse brought down the towers.

What creates a magnetic pulse? C-4 plastic explosive. Who has C-4? The military. Who controls the military? The post office.
Oh, but it gets even better:

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It really amazes me that most people on this planet cannot fathom the english language.
Don't you realise that gravity also holds things UP as well as bring things down.....didn't pass physics at school huh?
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Gravity seems to confuse a lot of people:

Oh, but it gets even better:
Ouch!!!!

Where can I sue you for brain damage??
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I caught a few of them in a trap when they mention how Newton's Laws say that the bottom section of the towers pushes the top section with equal and opposite force by turning their own logic against them. I say:

So according to your logic and misuse of physics, it is impossible to open a door because no matter how hard you push or pull the door will push or pull back with equal opposite force.

One Truther said "well does the door have a hinge?" but the best one I got was "well that only works if the door is in free space"

The guy mentioning the door having a hinge still hasn't caught on that his logic was turned against him.
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So the other day I had a CT present this video of "flashes and bangs" at 7 WTC while it collapsed as proof of explosive demolition. Many of you may be familiar with it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJBUedWFJ40&t=0s

I opined the video was an obvious fake, and not even a very good one. By 0:06 it was already clear something is seriously wrong. This CT continued to insist the video was genuine. I finally had to ask him,...

what the East Mechanical Penthouse was doing on the west side of the building.
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So the other day I had a CT present this video of "flashes and bangs" at 7 WTC while it collapsed as proof of explosive demolition. Many of you may be familiar with it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJBUedWFJ40&t=0s

I opined the video was an obvious fake, and not even a very good one. By 0:06 it was already clear something is seriously wrong. This CT continued to insist the video was genuine. I finally had to ask him,...

what the East Mechanical Penthouse was doing on the west side of the building.
Wasn't there a video "made" that portrayed similar behavior, and its author did it as a hoax, but the truthers jumped on it.
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Wasn't there a video "made" that portrayed similar behavior, and its author did it as a hoax, but the truthers jumped on it.
YouTube channel of Edward Current. I believe this IS the spoof video he made to expose Truther gullibility.

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Old 27th September 2017, 01:50 AM   #1354
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Originally Posted by Oystein View Post
YouTube channel of Edward Current. I believe this IS the spoof video he made to expose Truther gullibility.

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Is that the one with the UFO in it? That one made me chuckle.
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Old 27th September 2017, 02:30 AM   #1355
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Originally Posted by Cosmic Yak View Post
Is that the one with the UFO in it? That one made me chuckle.
I was talking about the video that Mark F posted, that has WTC7 mirror-imaged.

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Old 27th September 2017, 11:38 AM   #1356
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Originally Posted by Cosmic Yak View Post
Is that the one with the UFO in it? That one made me chuckle.
Yes, about 15 seconds in or so the UFO briefly flashes over.
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Old 27th September 2017, 11:54 AM   #1357
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Originally Posted by Oystein View Post
YouTube channel of Edward Current. I believe this IS the spoof video he made to expose Truther gullibility.

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Yes, that was the one I remembered. Looks suspiciously like the one that Mark F had linked.
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Old 27th September 2017, 12:46 PM   #1358
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Originally Posted by MrRandomGuy View Post
I caught a few of them in a trap when they mention how Newton's Laws say that the bottom section of the towers pushes the top section with equal and opposite force by turning their own logic against them. I say:

So according to your logic and misuse of physics, it is impossible to open a door because no matter how hard you push or pull the door will push or pull back with equal opposite force.

One Truther said "well does the door have a hinge?" but the best one I got was "well that only works if the door is in free space"

The guy mentioning the door having a hinge still hasn't caught on that his logic was turned against him.
Better yet, their logic implies that nothing can ever collapse because no matter the downward force applied, there will be an equal and opposite upward force.

Then there is the three legged stool example. Build a 3 legged stool with each leg capable of holding up X weight before failing(splitting)
Now place weight X on that three legged stool. No problem as, with 3 legs it is capable of carrying 3X in wreight.
Still with a load of X, remove one leg. Two legs are capable of carrying 2X so the stool remains upright.
Correct?
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Old 27th September 2017, 12:48 PM   #1359
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Originally Posted by Brainster View Post
Gravity seems to confuse a lot of people:



Oh, but it gets even better:
Aaaaahhhhhhh.......
The stupid illustrated there burned.........
MyfarginGAWD


Unless it's a parody of Monty Python Holy Grail movie scene about how to determine if a woman is a witch.

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Old 28th September 2017, 06:21 AM   #1360
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Originally Posted by jaydeehess View Post
Aaaaahhhhhhh.......
The stupid illustrated there burned.........
MyfarginGAWD


Unless it's a parody of Monty Python Holy Grail movie scene about how to determine if a woman is a witch.
So you're saying that the ducks did it then?
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