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View Poll Results: When will the AE911 petition reach juggernaut strength of 1%?
20 years 2 0.93%
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Who cares?….it's retarded anyway..... 131 61.21%
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Old 18th December 2011, 07:18 AM   #81
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Checked again with the AE911T stats - there was after all an update on the number of A&E who filled out that pathetic form.

dec 18: 1642 architecture and engineering professionals.
nov 22: 1637 (first reported; no increase as off dec 2 and dec 14)


That's an increase of 5 in 26 days, which is 1 new A&E professional convinced by every one of the already existing 1637 A&E once every 23.3 years.

They are really working forcefully to get the word out and persuading the industry experts!


For the record - the number of "Other Supporters":
dec 02: 13,985
dec 18: 14,105
That's 1 new OS per existing OS once every 5.1 years. Seems like very few of these other supporters do anything at all to convince others - but at least Gages nonsense has more traction among non-experts than among experts. Does this worry him?




And another number to track now: On the left hand, they are calling for donations towards "Editing and Marketing of ESO & BFT Euro DVDs". The goal is US$ 13,500 by january 12, 2012. Currently they are at:
dec 18: US$ 549.11 (10 donations)
ETA:
dec 14: US$ 346.11 (6 donations) - and campaign then running through only dec 18th

At this pace, they'll reach their goal in 64 days. Jan 12 is only 25 days away. Hmmm.

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Old 18th December 2011, 08:03 AM   #82
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Originally Posted by Oystein View Post
And another number to track now: On the left hand, they are calling for donations towards "Editing and Marketing of ESO & BFT Euro DVDs". The goal is US$ 13,500 by january 12, 2012. Currently they are at:
dec 18: US$ 549.11 (10 donations)
ETA:
dec 14: US$ 346.11 (6 donations) - and campaign then running through only dec 18th

At this pace, they'll reach their goal in 64 days. Jan 12 is only 25 days away. Hmmm.
It's funny, I'm still showing $346.11 with eight hours left.

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While skeptics are saying, "Ha, ha, he tried to raise $13.5K and only got $346," Gage is saying, "Woot! $346 of free money! Night on the town!"

That's known as win-win.
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While skeptics are saying, "Ha, ha, he tried to raise $13.5K and only got $346," Gage is saying, "Woot! $346 of free money! Night on the town!"

That's known as win-win.
Especially now he only has to pay for one dinner.

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Especially now he only has to pay for one dinner.
Oh no he di'int!
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I don't believe this needs a new thread but, is Gages petition still valid?

Quote:
Please Take Notice That:

On Behalf of the People of the United States of America, the undersigned Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth and affiliates hereby petition for, and demand, a truly independent investigation with subpoena power in order to uncover the full truth surrounding the events of 9/11/01 – specifically the collapse of the World Trade Center Towers and Building 7. We believe there is sufficient doubt about the official story to justify re-opening the 9/11 investigation. The new investigation must include a full inquiry into the possible use of explosives that might have been the actual cause of the destruction of the World Trade Center Twin Towers and Building 7.

Sincerely,

The Undersigned
This petition was written before the release of NCSTAR 1-9 that includes an investigation into a "Hypothetical Blast Scenarios".(Appendix D).

What has Gage done to verify that the signers for the year and a half before the release of the NIST report and signers after are aware that an investigation has been done?

This (bold) part needs to be reworded such as "The Undersigned also disagrees with the investigation into use of explosives that have been done to date".

Gage needs to start over!
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Originally Posted by Oystein View Post
Checked again with the AE911T stats - there was after all an update on the number of A&E who filled out that pathetic form.
Update January 4th 2012:

Originally Posted by Oystein View Post
dec 18: 1642 architecture and engineering professionals.
nov 22: 1637 (first reported; no increase as off dec 2 and dec 14)

That's an increase of 5 in 26 days, which is 1 new A&E professional convinced by every one of the already existing 1637 A&E once every 23.3 years...
dec 18: 1642
jan 04: 1647
5 new signatures in 17 days, which is 1 new A&E professional convinced by every one of the already existing 1642 A&E once every 15.3 years

Originally Posted by Oystein View Post
For the record - the number of "Other Supporters":
dec 02: 13,985
dec 18: 14,105
That's 1 new OS per existing OS once every 5.1 years. Seems like very few of these other supporters do anything at all to convince others - but at least Gages nonsense has more traction among non-experts than among experts. Does this worry him?
dec 18: 14,105
jan 04: 14,179
74 new signatures in 17 days, which is 1 new Other Supporter convinced by every one of the already existing 14,105 OS once every 8.9 years


Originally Posted by Oystein View Post
And another number to track now: On the left hand, they are calling for donations towards "Editing and Marketing of ESO & BFT Euro DVDs". The goal is US$ 13,500 by january 12, 2012. Currently they are at:
dec 18: US$ 549.11 (10 donations)
ETA:
dec 14: US$ 346.11 (6 donations) - and campaign then running through only dec 18th

At this pace, they'll reach their goal in 64 days. Jan 12 is only 25 days away. Hmmm.
dec 18: US$ 549.11 (10 donations)
jan 04: US$ 3,625.11 (44 donations)
still running till jan 12th (8 days to go).

That's 3,076 in 17 days. or 181 per day. At this pace, they'll reach their goal of 13,500 in 55 days (feb 28th).
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The (dis)honorable Mr. Gage is making an appearance in Redlands, CA January 10th.


In the comments to the notice a heroic debunker named Albury Smith has been fending off the truther hoards.
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In the comments to the notice a heroic debunker named Albury Smith has been fending off the truther hoards.

That Daniel Noel guy is a complete joke. I love how he shows the side that isn't facing the collapsed WTC to further his point that WTC7 was unaffected.
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Old 12th January 2012, 11:03 AM   #90
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I just searched through several threads and websites and looked for historical figures of how many A&E had signed the "Petition" at what date. From this, I calculated average exponential and linear growth rate through several phases:
  • Second column is the number of A&E professionals who had signed
  • Third column is the time intervall in days since the previous line.
  • The fourth column shows how many A&E signed up on average per day during that time intervall (linear growth rate).
  • The last column is the exponential growth rate per year. It expresses how many new members sign up annually per every existing member.
DateA&Edayssigners/daygrowth rate
30.05.07:83   
27.12.07:2312110,701488,18%
17.01.10:10007521,023103,75%
18.09.11:15796090,95131,52%
12.01.12:16551160,65515,95%

The first line is the end of the month when AE911T started. That number included a fair amount of fake and fun names that were later deleted.
The second line represents the first year - AE911T was off to a somwhat slow start
The third line represents the time till reaching full juggernaut strength - we can call this the heyday of AE911T. They had more than one A&E per day then.
The fourth line goes to about the 10th anniversary of 9/11. Linear growth rate is still near 1/day.
The last line shows AE911T growth in decline since the 10th anniversary.

It is noteworthy that the growth was linear for most of the time, not exponential, indicationg that the bulk of the signers did NOT spread the information. Recently, even linear growth has been down, indicating that maybe the pool of potential signers ("the lunatic fringe") is nearing exhaustion?

Exponential growth rate declines steadily - i.e. there is no exponential growth!



Same thing for "Other supporters":
DateOtherdayssigners/daygrowth rate
30.05.0738   
27.12.076092112,7112079,19%
17.01.1061547527,37207,55%
12.01.121420511611,1052,41%
I am missing one data point here - often, the "other supporters" were not recorded.
There is an interesting difference here: The linear growth rate (sigbners/day) is growing steadily! Not enough to sustain a stable exp. growth rate, but quite different from what we see with the A&E professionals!

I think, two explanations are possible or likely:
  • Among non-building professionals (stinking know-nothing amateurs), Gage's bag of lies enjoys some traction, so a proportion of the Other Supporters actively spread the woo and pass it on to more non-experts; this in contrast to the building professionals who obviously do no such thing, or fail completely
  • AE911T has shifted their target audience more and more away from A&E and towards non-experts


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Update January 17th 2012:
Originally Posted by Oystein View Post
dec 18: 1642
jan 04: 1647
5 new signatures in 17 days, which is 1 new A&E professional convinced by every one of the already existing 1642 A&E once every 15.3 years
jan 04: 1647
jan 17: 1656
9 new signatures in 13 days, which is 1 new A&E professional convinced by every one of the already existing 1647 A&E once every 6.5 years

Originally Posted by Oystein View Post
dec 18: 14,105
jan 04: 14,179
74 new signatures in 17 days, which is 1 new Other Supporter convinced by every one of the already existing 14,105 OS once every 8.9 years
jan 04: 14,179
jan 17: 14,236
57 new signatures in 13 days, which is 1 new Other Supporter convinced by every one of the already existing 14,105 OS once every 8.9 years

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dec 18: US$ 549.11 (10 donations)
jan 04: US$ 3,625.11 (44 donations)
still running till jan 12th (8 days to go).

That's 3,076 in 17 days. or 181 per day. At this pace, they'll reach their goal of 13,500 in 55 days (feb 28th).
jan 04: US$ 3,625.11 (44 donations)
jan 17: US$ 7,305.11 (57 donations)
now extended to jan 19th (2 days to go).

That's 3,680 in 13 days. or 283 per day. At this pace, they'll reach their goal of 13,500 in 22 days (feb 8th).
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The deadline for the drive to collect 13,500 for marketing efforts has been extended today or yesterday to jan 29, from jan 19. It used to be jan 12, and before that dec 18. Some people must be quite disappointed.
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The deadline for the drive to collect 13,500 for marketing efforts has been extended today or yesterday to jan 29, from jan 19. It used to be jan 12, and before that dec 18. Some people must be quite disappointed.
So would it be fair to call their juggernaut petition a jugger-naught?
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The deadline for the drive to collect 13,500 for marketing efforts has been extended today or yesterday to jan 29, from jan 19. It used to be jan 12, and before that dec 18. Some people must be quite disappointed.
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The deadline for the drive to collect 13,500 for marketing efforts has been extended today or yesterday to jan 29, from jan 19. It used to be jan 12, and before that dec 18. Some people must be quite disappointed.
the 29th has arrived here in Europe - and the deadline has moved again, to feb 14

just pinning down the numbers before I go to bed:

A&E: 1660
Others: 14,289
Raised: US$ 9307,11 of 13,500 (80 contributors), ends feb 14
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I just searched through several threads and websites and looked for historical figures of how many A&E had signed the "Petition" at what date. From this, I calculated average exponential and linear growth rate through several phases:...
But you're not obsessed or anything...
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Meanwhile...

58 people have signed up to speak out for "responsibility in the profession"...

Is it just me, or are there no actual names there...?
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Meanwhile...

58 people have signed up to speak out for "responsibility in the profession"...

Is it just me, or are there no actual names there...?

"... And once you've signed our petition, feel free to explore the possibility of K-12 Online Schooling..."
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Online petitions people, its the only accurate representation of the truth..

I guess those 125,000 ASCE Engineers must be too busy signing Gage's petition to sign ergo's one..
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mmm just saw this.. http://shop.ae911truth.org/Cards-and-Brochures_c5.htm

Quick guys, if you're a "serious Activist" you MUST buy Gage's Special Activist Pack for a healthy saving of $230.00!!!!

On another note, I rofl'd that Gage is selling his letter he wrote to NIST's Shyam Sunder. $5 if you want to read it
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mmm just saw this.. http://shop.ae911truth.org/Cards-and-Brochures_c5.htm

Quick guys, if you're a "serious Activist" you MUST buy Gage's Special Activist Pack for a healthy saving of $230.00!!!!

On another note, I rofl'd that Gage is selling his letter he wrote to NIST's Shyam Sunder. $5 if you want to read it

OMG - Gage must be getting pretty desperate for cash.....

I just had to look to see what you get for 230 USD....LOL.

This Gage person is utterly pathetic......
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the 29th has arrived here in Europe - and the deadline has moved again, to feb 14
Maybe chocolates n' donations will be their greatest Valentines Day gift of all!
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Alright, my "official" stats, since 29 jan was the deadline for their current money scheme before they moved it again:

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Update January 17th 2012:

jan 04: 1647
jan 17: 1656
9 new signatures in 13 days, which is 1 new A&E professional convinced by every one of the already existing 1647 A&E once every 6.5 years
jan 17: 1656
jan 29: 1660
4 new signatures in 12 days, which is 1 new A&E professional convinced by every one of the already existing 1647 A&E once every 13.6 years

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jan 04: 14,179
jan 17: 14,236
57 new signatures in 13 days, which is 1 new Other Supporter convinced by every one of the already existing 14,105 OS once every 8.9 years
jan 17: 14,236
jan 29: 14,288
52 new signatures in 12 days, which is 1 new Other Supporter convinced by every one of the already existing 14,236 OS once every 9.0 years

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jan 04: US$ 3,625.11 (44 donations)
jan 17: US$ 7,305.11 (57 donations)
now extended to jan 19th (2 days to go).

That's 3,680 in 13 days. or 283 per day. At this pace, they'll reach their goal of 13,500 in 22 days (feb 8th).
jan 17: US$ 7,305.11 (57 donations)
jan 04: US$ 9,317.11 (81 donations)
now extended to feb 14th (16 days to go).

That's 2,012 in 13 days. or 168 per day. At this pace, they'll reach their goal of 13,500 in 25 days (feb 23rd).
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OMG - Gage must be getting pretty desperate for cash.....

I just had to look to see what you get for 230 USD....LOL.

This Gage person is utterly pathetic......
I love how you can get "freebies", but only if you spend $40 or more. Truth is expensive!
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OMG - Gage must be getting pretty desperate for cash.....

I just had to look to see what you get for 230 USD....LOL.

This Gage person is utterly pathetic......
That's nothing. When they started out they used to beg for monthly contributions. The most disgusting one (and part of what leads me to believe that Gage is just a carnie and a rip off artist) was the "$911.00 Patriot level donation" or something like that.

Disgusting.
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Update, as the current drive for donation was scheduled to end today
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jan 17: 1656
jan 29: 1660
4 new signatures in 12 days, which is 1 new A&E professional convinced by every one of the already existing 1647 A&E once every 13.6 years
A&E signatures:
jan 29: 1660
feb 14: 1664
4 new signatures in 16 days, which is 1 new A&E professional convinced by every one of the already existing 1660 A&E once every 18.2 years
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jan 17: 14,236
jan 29: 14,288
52 new signatures in 12 days, which is 1 new Other Supporter convinced by every one of the already existing 14,236 OS once every 9.0 years
Other Supporters:
jan 29: 14,288
feb 14: 14,374
86 new signatures in 16 days, which is 1 new Other Supporter convinced by every one of the already existing 14,288 OS once every 7.3 years

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jan 17: US$ 7,305.11 (57 donations)
jan 29: US$ 9,317.11 (81 donations)
now extended to feb 14th (16 days to go).

That's 2,012 in 13 days. or 168 per day. At this pace, they'll reach their goal of 13,500 in 25 days (feb 23rd).
jan 29: US$ 9,317.11 (81 donations)
feb 14: US$ 10,084.61 (95 donations)
Fund raiser has ENDED today, having reached only 74% of the target US$ 13,500
At the most recent pace, 48$/day, they'd need to go another 71 days, till april 25.

The patient is slowly dying
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Old 14th February 2012, 04:21 PM   #109
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The patient is slowly dying
Your words express your sentiments oh so well.

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Old 14th February 2012, 04:24 PM   #110
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That's nothing. When they started out they used to beg for monthly contributions. The most disgusting one (and part of what leads me to believe that Gage is just a carnie and a rip off artist) was the "$911.00 Patriot level donation" or something like that.
They would save people a lot of money by switching to the day/month system.
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Originally Posted by Miragememories View Post
Your words express your sentiments oh so well.

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Feel free to disprove Oystein's assertion, MM. You can begin with Sen. Gravel and the Massachusets initiative. Or Dylan Avery.
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Feel free to disprove Oystein's assertion, MM. You can begin with Sen. Gravel and the Massachusets initiative. Or Dylan Avery.
You fail to explain yourself?

Mindreading 101 is not my thing.

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You fail to explain yourself?

Mindreading 101 is not my thing.

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Yeah, or else you would know for sure who the perps were for 9/11, eh?
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Feel free to disprove Oystein's assertion, MM. You can begin with Sen. Gravel and the Massachusets initiative. Or Dylan Avery.
Mike Gravel (and most of the other "officers") have left the "Citizens 9/11 Commission" taking the website with them. The new "officers" say the are trying to get it back as soon as possible. Last time I checked (before the site went down) they were almost out of money.

http://9-11cc.org/
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Here is why the patient is dying:


1. Fund raising.

On 12/13/2011, carlitos first notice a campaign on the top left of AE911T's home page with the goal to raise 13,500 dollars by dec 18th (5 days later). If that campaign had started 5 days earlier, then they had expected to raise 1,350 dollars per day.

They had to extend the deadline to jan 12th, then jan 19th, then jan 29th, then feb 14th.

On february 14th (yesterday), the campaign ended, 26% short of theor target. They had daily raised only 10% of what they expected.

Conclusion: AE911T has lost its ability to raise funds for their cause.


2. "Membership" developlment

If the A&E who signed the "petition" were serious and spread the word among their peers, then there should be exponential growth - that means, every day, months, year the number of new signatures per day should increase.
For example: On 01/17/2010, the "petition" reached 1000 signatures. If every other signer managed to talk one peer into signing up (groth rate: 50%), then at that time, there should have been 1.11 new signatures per day; a year later, with 1500 spreading the news, there would have been 1.66 new/day, and today there would be 2.5 new sig/day.

What really happened is this:
Time intervalsig/daygrowth rate
01/17/10-10/09/101,2648,61%
10/09/10-05/17/110,7621,65%
05/17/11-10/25/110,7920,25%
10/25/11-02/15/120,337,54%

Exponential growth rate has been declining steadily - i.e. there really is no exponential growth. The A&E are not convincing any peers at all with the nonsense they fell for.

Even linear growth rate has been declining. The third line includes the time around the 10th anniversary of 9/11, that gave them added interested and a surge of signatures for a few weeks; take that away, and Gage is recruiting less and less new A&E every months.

Need a graph?

One year ago, they had twice as many signatures per day as today.
Two years ago, even four times as many new signatures as today.

Conclusion: AE911T is steadily losing its ability to convince professionals


Diagnosis: The patient AE911T is slowly dying
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Originally Posted by Oystein View Post

On 12/13/2011, carlitos first notice a campaign on the top left of AE911T's home page with the goal to raise 13,500 dollars by dec 18th (5 days later). If that campaign had started 5 days earlier, then they had expected to raise 1,350 dollars per day.
If memory serves that "campaign" actually started in/around the first of October.
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If memory serves that "campaign" actually started in/around the first of October.
Don't think so. I am talking about this:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...&postcount=169


Just 6 contributions for 346 bucks on dec 13 - looks more like it had started only days earlier.
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Don't think so. I am talking about this:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...&postcount=169
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...7da74ab26c.jpg

Just 6 contributions for 346 bucks on dec 13 - looks more like it had started only days earlier.
That's the one. This counter was frozen for quite some time. I commented on it in a post awhile back when your figures (presumably a German version of the site) didn't match what I was seeing. It remained at $346 until sometime around the end of Dec.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...42#post7856342

I was following his scheduled "shows" after 9/11 (he had none) and I'm fairly sure this counter stayed frozen at $346 for a long time (possibly no fault of AE).
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It would be interesting if any one already has the knowledge or would like to do the research to compare AE911T's growth and near lack there off as of late to pyramid schemes. I imagine they suffer from a similar problems:

- Despite the '6 degrees of Kevin Bacon' theory 'sign-up a few friends who will sign-up a few friends' etc. etc. has finite limits.

- Another related limiting factor is the number of people who are suckers for woo whether it be Gage's scam or a 'sure thing' investment scheme.
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Originally Posted by Oystein View Post
Here is why the patient is dying:


1. Fund raising.

On 12/13/2011, carlitos first notice a campaign on the top left of AE911T's home page with the goal to raise 13,500 dollars by dec 18th (5 days later). If that campaign had started 5 days earlier, then they had expected to raise 1,350 dollars per day.

They had to extend the deadline to jan 12th, then jan 19th, then jan 29th, then feb 14th.

On february 14th (yesterday), the campaign ended, 26% short of theor target. They had daily raised only 10% of what they expected.

Conclusion: AE911T has lost its ability to raise funds for their cause.


2. "Membership" developlment

If the A&E who signed the "petition" were serious and spread the word among their peers, then there should be exponential growth - that means, every day, months, year the number of new signatures per day should increase.
For example: On 01/17/2010, the "petition" reached 1000 signatures. If every other signer managed to talk one peer into signing up (groth rate: 50%), then at that time, there should have been 1.11 new signatures per day; a year later, with 1500 spreading the news, there would have been 1.66 new/day, and today there would be 2.5 new sig/day.

What really happened is this:
Time intervalsig/daygrowth rate
01/17/10-10/09/101,2648,61%
10/09/10-05/17/110,7621,65%
05/17/11-10/25/110,7920,25%
10/25/11-02/15/120,337,54%

Exponential growth rate has been declining steadily - i.e. there really is no exponential growth. The A&E are not convincing any peers at all with the nonsense they fell for.

Even linear growth rate has been declining. The third line includes the time around the 10th anniversary of 9/11, that gave them added interested and a surge of signatures for a few weeks; take that away, and Gage is recruiting less and less new A&E every months.

Need a graph?
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/...ll20120215.jpg
One year ago, they had twice as many signatures per day as today.
Two years ago, even four times as many new signatures as today.

Conclusion: AE911T is steadily losing its ability to convince professionals


Diagnosis: The patient AE911T is slowly dying

One thing this points to is the lack of organic growth among the target audience. So what you say? Everyone knows that 9/11 Truth is for the mental rejects of our world. But it means more than that. It also means the existing members are not involved in internal discussion inside the profession.

This is a significant point, and I would like to hear what Gage has to say about it. Why is it that his 1500+ licensed landscape architects and mechanical engineers are not involved in or able to convince their peers? Why is it that only Gage with his ppts, speaking in church basements and coffee shops, is able to turn the minds of free?
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