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Old 1st June 2015, 05:18 AM   #121
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Half a year since I resurrected this thread. Have those petitions or Facebook groups finally broken through to the mainstream and taken off to glorious heights?


Well well well...

Gregg Grider's "California Investigate 9/11" has improved to 107 signatures. Among the most recent:
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105. DooDooCaCaPeePee from Kunt, MN signed this petition on Jan 12, 2015.
104. George W. Bush from Crawford, TX signed this petition on Dec 14, 2014. I wish Dickie Gage would get off his dead ass and investigate me already
103. I AM 100 YEAH NEW INVESTIGATION!! from TRUTHERS RULE, NY signed this petition on Dec 11, 2014.
102. Mr. Roper from AK, United States signed this petition on Dec 11, 2014.
101. Peekachoo from Pokemon, GU signed this petition on Dec 11, 2014.

The ReThink 9/11 Petition ("When this petition reaches one million signatories, it will be delivered to the Head of State of every nation that had citizens who died in the attacks on September 11, 2001.") has added 768 signatures in half a year (4.2/day). At that pace, they'll hit 1,000,000 in 625 years or so.


The Facebook-group "I Am The Face of Truth 911 Awareness Profile Pics" has now 5,082 members, up from 3887 on December 07. Congratulations! That's almost 7/day! At that pace, they'll reach 1 million in the year 2418! Albeit a bit longer to go till their goal of 24,200,000


Also on Dec 07, I had presented two FB groups for 9/11 truth that have the 1-million-target in their name:
1,000,000 people for 911 TRUTH: From 20,146 to 20,286 on Jan 29 (+2.6/day) - but since then down to 19,952 (-2.7/day)!
1,000,000+ Citizens for an Independent Investigation of Sept.11th, 2001: from 10,239 down to 9,889 (-2.0/day).

By the way, the largest 9/11-group I could so far find on Facebook is this:
The 9/11 Truth Movement
I recorded it at 39,139 members late in December, from whence they grew to 39,500 on March 01 (+5.8/day). Since then they dropped to 38,244 (-13.7/day), much of the decline coming in the last 16 days when they lost more than 800 members (-51/day)! I sort of suspect admins going berserk on eleminating opposition and strengthening their censorship.


With AE911Truth' slump hitting new lows in 2015 (they have most recently been on a pace to eclipse the million-signatures mark by the year 3575 ), I see not the slightest indication that anywhere the masses are gathering to demand real change anytime soon. The Truth Movement remains a fringe group of no more than several thousand people with a modicum of activity world-wide.
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Old 1st September 2015, 04:56 AM   #122
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3 months later

I am the Face of 9/11 Truth

The "I am the Face of 9/11 Truth" campaign seens to be in dire straits. Around August 5, they announced their "Phase II" by admitting that they are out of resources - no money, not enough helping hands to handle what limited activity they have:
http://iamthefaceoftruth.com/PhaseII/
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We have made close to 15,000 9/11 Truth Awareness Banners, and our goal is/we want/need to make 1,000,000 more awareness banners!
Under 15,000 truthers have done the minimum level of activity and submitted a photo to be decorated with the "9/11 Truth USA" (or whatever is their country) to put up as their Facebook profile picture? 15,000 of 1 million, that's 1.5%. After well over a year!

Their Facebook-Group I Am The Face of Truth 911 Awareness Profile Pics has grown by 286 members to 5368 since June 01 - that's 3.1 per day. At that pace, they'll reach their target of 1 million in about 880 years.

Oh, and still, only about 15% of those 5368 in the group actually have this banner on their profile pic - that's an estimated 800 (I counted a quick sample from members added within the last 9 months; the older members are actually even less like to be sporting the banner still).
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Old 1st September 2015, 05:20 AM   #123
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1 MILLION

And here a reminder how large the gulf is between Truthers' perception of how many they are, and bitter reality.

Several groups and campaigns have an explicit goal of reaching "1 million" supporters (signatures, members...). They must be out of their minds if they ever took this serious:

1. ReThink911
This campaign ate, reportedly, hundreds of thousands of dollars in advertising costs around September 2013, almost two years ago.
Their homepage has a petition which they promise "will be delivered to the Head of State of every nation that lost citizens in the attacks of September 11, 2001" "[w]hen this petition reaches one million signers".
They just surpassed 21,000. That's 2.1% of the target. During 2015, they averaged 4.3 signatures per day. At that pace, they'll reach their target in about 623 years.
Here is the progress so far - scaled to 1 million signatures, and (right axis) to 3,000 sig/day, which they'd need every day to reach the target in just under 3 years.



2. 1,000,000 people for 911 TRUTH
https://www.facebook.com/groups/286311730249
I don't know when this Facebook group was started. I first saw it in early December 2014 when they had 20,146 members. Today, they have 19,931 - 1.9% of target, and since they constantly lose members (about 1.2 per day on average in 2015), they'll never reach their target.
But it is the second-largest truther group I have so far found!



3. 1,000,000+ Citizens for an Independent Investigation of Sept.11th, 2001
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1000000Citizens/
I don't know when this Facebook group was started. I first saw it in early December 2014 when they had 10,239 members. I saw one post in december 2013 that said they had just exceeded 9,000. Today, they have 9,856 - 0.9% of target, and since they constantly lose members (about 1.6 per day on average in 2015), they'll never reach their target.
But it is the third-largest truther group I have so far found!


4. I am the Face of Truth
See my previous post with more details.
They have made under 15,000 banners in more than a year, under 6,000 of those are in the Facebook group, and under 1,000 of those actually show that banner as profile pic on their Facebook account. That's 1.5%/0.6%/<0.1% of target, and the group would take like 880 years to reach the target of 1 million at the current pace.


Conclusion
The 9/11 Truth Movement is a tiny fringe of society. They have several perhaps hundred activists and (of this we can be quite certain) just several tens of thousands of open supporters worldwide. A tiny drop in the ocean of hundreds of millions of people in the developed countries alone.
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Old 6th September 2015, 06:00 PM   #124
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Old 10th December 2016, 05:35 PM   #125
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In the past 2 or 3 years, I have hardly seen any new Truther petitions worth reporting on[*].

Now I found what I consider an exception: The 9/11 Truth Action Project, a AE911T spin-off lead by Wayne Coste, created its own Petition about a week ago:
https://www.911tap.org/join-us/sign-the-petition

It comes with a Strategic Plan! Look what they say:
Originally Posted by 911TAP
The 911TAP Petition Project is intended to be a catalyst for lifting the 9/11 Truth movement out of its current state of decentralized individual actions into a focused, unified movement. Surveys consistently show that, thanks to the work of 9/11 activists since 2001, tens of millions of U.S. citizens already know the truth about 9/11. One of our challenges in converting this awareness into change is the isolation and discouragement of people in the 9/11 Truth movement. ...

The count of signed petitions gathered under this effort will be prominently displayed on the 911TAP website. A rapidly increasing number would serve as a motivational boost to the 9/11 Truth movement, increasing our confidence and encouraging people to work harder. ...

As a quantitative measure, petition count will be used to evaluate the effectiveness of public outreach and member recruitment tactics.
As far as I can see, they don't define a target count, or expected counts, but mentioning "tens of millions" surely suggests the order of magnitude they want to compare themselves with. Shouldn't they go for at least 1% of what they believe is the already converted population? That's be "hundreds of thousands" of signatures.

So far, they have 171.
I'll keeo you updated.


Oh, and here is the Facebook post by Gene Laratonda that first alerted me to this petition:
Originally Posted by Gene Laratonda
If each person here could get 10 signatures, this group could have 54,000 signatures. If each person here could get 100 signatures we would have 540,000 signatures.
Yeah, right, hahaha!
Last time I linked to a 9/11 Petition in a 9/11 Truth group on Facebook (an even larger group), it picked up under 10 more votes, and quite possibly none of them came because I posted it on Facebook

[*] One 9/11 related petition, that was supported by some truthers, was a call to extend the Zadroga Act, which provides federal money to first supporters suffering from 9/11 related trauma and deseases. This one got 186.684 supporters in about only 3 months in late 2015 - and was ultimately successful, Congress did extend the Act. This example shows that the People, and Congress, do still care about 9/11, just not 9/11 Twoof.
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Old 10th December 2016, 06:37 PM   #126
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Originally Posted by Oystein View Post
In the past 2 or 3 years, I have hardly seen any new Truther petitions worth reporting on[*].

Now I found what I consider an exception: The 9/11 Truth Action Project, a AE911T spin-off lead by Wayne Coste, created its own Petition about a week ago:

As far as I can see, they don't define a target count, or expected counts, but mentioning "tens of millions" surely suggests the order of magnitude they want to compare themselves with. Shouldn't they go for at least 1% of what they believe is the already converted population? That's be "hundreds of thousands" of signatures.
They got one thing right - tens of millions of people do know the truth. Probably more than that even.
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Old 11th December 2016, 05:19 AM   #127
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The Strategic Plan should be read entirely, if you are interested in how these Truthers think and organize.

First interesting bit is the new position vis-a-vis AE911Truth. Wayne Coste used to be a AE Board member, and team leader for "Congressional Outreach". A while ago - 2013ish, if my felt memory isn't wrecked - he parted ways with Richard Gage and founded his own tax-exempt outfit, 9/11 Truth Outreach. He took a few other disgruntled AE activists with him, such as David Slesinger and David Fura. As I understand, Coste and the gang had a problem with Gage's priorities, which, in their opinion did not feature mass conversions prominently. It seems they have now reached some kind of truce. Coste's outfit now runs as "9/11 Truth Action Project" and, according to the Strategic Plan, has taken over AE's action groups:
Originally Posted by 911tap.org
Within the past year, the AE911Truth leadership began looking for a way to separate the local action groups from the organization, as they could not justify the growing manpower costs needed to support and monitor the expanding group activities. At the same time, the action groups were looking for greater freedom to communicate the AE911Truth evidence within the context of the historical deep state and the consequences of 9/11 regarding the destructive "war on terror." The separation was mutually agreed upon and amicable.

The other thing I find interesting is how frankly they narrate the lack of success, the slow progress, and the disappointing results of 10 years of Gage's ministry.
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Just found what may have been the first post (or one of the first) announcing the TAP petition - December 04 2016, 12:47pm Pacific Time (Oregon), where David Fura, one of the TAP leaders, lives:
https://www.facebook.com/david.fura....98835646874400

I assume Fura himself put it online, then went to his own Facebook Profile to link it.
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Cool, thanks Oystein. I find this bit interesting:
Many people who are today misinformed by U.S. Government and mainstream media teachings are unlikely to consider the convincing arguments of 9/11 truthers without some external push. For some people, a growing realization that the War on Terror is an unwinnable war, and perhaps even an immoral war, could provide that push. For others, the War on Terror's evisceration of the U.S. Constitution could do it.
It's interesting, because they don't seem to think that you can be against war on terror and at the same time unwilling to accept the truthers' crap.

By the way, they use CloudFlare. I had to work around their blocking of Tor using a web proxy in order to access the page.
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Old 26th March 2017, 07:49 AM   #130
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On Dec 10, 2016:
Originally Posted by Oystein View Post
Now I found ... the 9/11 Truth Action Project, a AE911T spin-off lead by Wayne Coste, created its own Petition about a week ago:
https://www.911tap.org/join-us/sign-the-petition
...
As far as I can see, they don't define a target count, or expected counts, but mentioning "tens of millions" surely suggests the order of magnitude they want to compare themselves with. Shouldn't they go for at least 1% of what they believe is the already converted population? That's be "hundreds of thousands" of signatures.

So far, they have 171.
I'll keep you updated.
...
On Jan 01 they had 240 signatures.
Yesterday (March 25, 2017), 1230
That's an average of just under 12 signatures per day.
But that rate is going down:
Jan: 19.7 per day
Feb: 8.3 per day
Mar: 6.9 per day

At 12 signatures per day, it would take 2 years to reach 10,000 - a totally insignificant number.
22.5 years to get to 100,000 - which would barely register as "alive" (no online petition can ever be successful on a national level without exceeding 100,000 comfortably, better yet millions).
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Branching over from another thread, as announced there last month, about a petition and fundraiser by some "Lawyers' Committee for 9/11 Truth":
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Resurrecting an old thread because I stumbled, belatedly, on an organisation devoted to legal action on 9/11 and doing a petition: I am talking about the "Lawyers' Committee for 9/11 Inquiry", tax-free 501(c)(3) incorporation. I have yet to figure out how long this outfit has been around. I found them as I came across a new petition on change.org, which I will follow in another, more appropriate thread (URL to follow).

Of the Board members, I recognize the name William Jacoby, who has been mentioned by AE911T sometimes.

They are trying to collect a whopping US$ 800,000 - I shall watch them fail. At fundraising, I mean.


Overall, it is rather unclear what they will fail at, for their goals and strategies are too all-encompassing and vague. No specific course of action proposed, as far as I can tell from a quick glance.


ETA:
The domain for this group has been created in July 2016:
http://whois.domaintools.com/lawyers...-11inquiry.org

First time archived on archive.org on Nov 01, 2016:
https://web-beta.archive.org/web/201...-11inquiry.org
The petition had been started on March 12, and had reached 853 signatures by March 29 (50 signatures per day).
Since then, is has soared to 972 signatures (6.3 per day).
At that pace, they'll reach a totally insignificant 10,000 signatures in under 4 years.

The fundraiser was started on March 23 and had reached $455 by March 29 ($67.5 per day).
Since then it has soared to $930 ($25 per day).
The fundraiser has a goal of $800,000 (no kidding!). At the latest pace, they'll reach 1% of that in a bit over 9 months. And the goal a bit after the turn of the next century



ETA:
So far, 18 individuals (under 2% of the signers) have donated an average of just over $50. Assuming these proportions can be maintained, then they'll need ($800,000/$50 =) 16,000 donors, out of 800,000 signers. This is grossly unrealistic: AE911Truth, the best-funded, best promoted petition around, has only under 25,000 signers after 10 years. Even their Facebook page, after several years, has under 500,000 likes - and I have reason to suspect that a very significant proportion of those are bought. Sure, AE911T draws in a 6-digit amount of income annually, but they are competing with the lawyers.

The problem is still that the worldwide Truth Movement has only about a couple of tenthousand earnest believers, only some of which can be expected to invest actual money to such cause. They would need $50 pretty much from every damned truther there is in the world.
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