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Old 7th February 2017, 07:53 PM   #41
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Originally Posted by paloalto View Post
The fact that the CIA thought there would be "mass casualties" ...
How many is "mass"? Got a number?

Plus who knew they were going to kill the pilots and take the planes? You said you knew, and you failed to save us. Good job.

There will be over 30,000 deaths on the roads in the USA this year, who will you blame for failing to take action? CIA/FBI? How do stop a crime, or accident when have no clue how, when, or where.
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Old 8th February 2017, 05:59 AM   #42
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This mentions 341 victims with 28 casualties: http://web.archive.org/web/200709081...ewer.asp?a=290
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Old 8th February 2017, 03:47 PM   #43
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Originally Posted by pgimeno View Post
This mentions 341 victims with 28 casualties: http://web.archive.org/web/200709081...ewer.asp?a=290
I think 9/11 truth uses this aircraft accident exercise for evidence of the inside job, or other delusional claims.
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Old 8th February 2017, 04:22 PM   #44
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I love the idea that somehow the CIA was following their every move. They WISH they had that kind of capability. How things worked in 2001 was that the various intelligence and LE agencies put together a watch-list, and then gave that list to US Customs.

Customs handles incoming traffic, and they keep a database which the FBI can access. The problem is that on any given day Customs will see all kinds of suspects pass through their gates; cartel members/ associates, suspected war criminals, suspected drug dealers, suspected arms dealers, spies, people who are on other countries' watch lists for various reasons, and just those who are acting fishy.

The idea that tracking the hijackers down should have been easy is just wrong.
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Old 8th February 2017, 09:53 PM   #45
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Originally Posted by Axxman300 View Post
I love the idea that somehow the CIA was following their every move. They WISH they had that kind of capability. How things worked in 2001 was that the various intelligence and LE agencies put together a watch-list, and then gave that list to US Customs.

Customs handles incoming traffic, and they keep a database which the FBI can access. The problem is that on any given day Customs will see all kinds of suspects pass through their gates; cartel members/ associates, suspected war criminals, suspected drug dealers, suspected arms dealers, spies, people who are on other countries' watch lists for various reasons, and just those who are acting fishy.

The idea that tracking the hijackers down should have been easy is just wrong.
That is utter bull ******

A 10 year old kid on the internet could have tracked Mihdhar down in 15 minutes. The FBI knew exactly how to get Mihdhar's credit card number since they knew from the INS that he had flown into the US on Saudi Arabian Airlines on July 4, 2001 and used his credit card to buy the airline ticket. It has never been explained why FBI Agent Dina Corsi, who was working at the direction of FBI Deputy Chief of the ITOS unit, Tom Wilshire, refused to give FBI Agent Robert Fuller permission to call Saudi Arabian Airlines to get this credit card number, particularly when Fuller told Corsi that his investigation and search for Mihdhar was going no where and he needed this credit card number to proceed with his investigation. Wilshire, her boss, knew that Mihdhar was just about to take part in a horrific and spectacular al Qaeda terrorist attack that would kill many Americans. I have Wilsire's email from July 5, 2001 and July 23, 2001, email that Wilshire sent back to his CIA CTC managers, that says exactly this.

The CIA, including Blee, Black and Tenet, already knew that this attack, was directed by Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and would involve hijacked aircraft. All the FBI and Tom Wilshire, who was secretly taking direct orders from Blee, Black, and Tenet, while working at the FBI ITOS unit, had to do was give this credit card number to the major airlines and they would have found several of the planes used on 9/11 in just a few minutes.

Incidentally the information that Corsi refused to give Fuller permission to get Mihdhar's credit card number is only found in Defense Exhibit #650, and inexplicably does not appear in any of the other reports from the investigations on 9/11, even more evidence that all of these reports were criminally sabotaged to hide the real reasons the attacks on 9/11 were deliberately allowed to take place due the direct actions of people in the CIA and people at FBI HQ's who were acting under orders from the CIA.

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Old 9th February 2017, 08:22 AM   #46
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Originally Posted by Oystein View Post
I have no problem with the facts you used.

I do have a problem with the exaggerations that you put on top.

Like the repeated claim that specific agents and agencies had specific prior information of the size and future death toll of what AQ planned.

That was overbidding your hand.
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I would suggest that you are over embracing your denial of the TRUTH.

The point as I see it, is not whether the CIA knew many would die but that they knew innocent people were being 'setup to die' and nothing was going to be done to prevent this from happening.

How many 'projected deaths' do you feel were necessary to warrant a CIA -> FBI disclosure?
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There is not suggest in the case of 9/11 truth, it is a fact 9/11 truth and you have a paranoid nonsensical version of 9/11 and you offer no evidence to support the fantasy version.

In your fantasy world, Where do you guys get your silent explosives; and how do you make up the silly plot like this one?

Did the FBI/CIA coverup your silent explosives sources - your imaginations and fantasy centers of the mind.

Does 9/11 truth have remote viewing skills, or is it mind reading?

Fantasy skills for the fantasy dumbed down version of 9/11?

Ironically this line of BS conclusions based on FBI/CIA stuff, debunks your CD and other 9/11 truth idiotic claims...

This a thread which debunks most of 9/11 truth BS.

Why are you posting in BS which debunks CD and other 9/11 truth claims?
In other words you don’t care about how the CIA behaviour condemned the lives of Americans under the FBI’s wing?

Originally Posted by LSSBB View Post
Paloalto had made a specific claim that they knew it would be thousands, apparently, I believe, based on an interpretation of "mass casualties".

There is no direct evidence of such a numerical estimate having been made.

Paloalto has also stated his disapproval of the distraction of claims of CD. Have you relinquished that claim?
“mass casualties” is self-explanatory to most people sensitive to human loss.

Why the need to ’spin’ about the expected number of people likely to die when their WTC workplaces were struck by commercial jets on 9/11?

Are you suggesting that the resulting human carnage was never considered by the CIA — or not worth considering?
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Old 9th February 2017, 08:49 AM   #47
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In other words you don’t care about how the CIA behaviour condemned the lives of Americans under the FBI’s wing?
If you believe in 9/11 being an inside job in which the Twin Towers were destroyed by demolition devices, as you have frequently stated, then you have to believe that the CIA's knowledge of foreign terrorists was a complete irrelevance and could not in any case have prevented the attacks, in which case your question makes no sense. On the other hand, if the FBI were the protectors of American lives and the CIA let them down, then you're arguing that 9/11 was carried out by al-Qaeda and the CIA failed to allow the FBI to prevent them, in which case the inside job theories make no sense. Would you like to choose one or other of these mutually contradictory views to hold, or are you comfortable with holding both of them simultaneously?

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Originally Posted by Criteria View Post
In other words you don’t care about how the CIA behaviour condemned the lives of Americans under the FBI’s wing?



“mass casualties” is self-explanatory to most people sensitive to human loss.

Why the need to ’spin’ about the expected number of people likely to die when their WTC workplaces were struck by commercial jets on 9/11?

Are you suggesting that the resulting human carnage was never considered by the CIA — or not worth considering?
+1 to what Dave said. And the specific number is the question. Calling it "thousands" when no one said that is adding spin, isn't it? I've dealt with conspiracy spin long enough to recognize it when I see it. It's all about getting that emotional reaction. "Thousands" gets conspiracy hobbyists much more bang for the buck than "mass casualties ".
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Old 9th February 2017, 10:55 AM   #49
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Originally Posted by Criteria View Post
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In other words you don’t care about how the CIA behaviour condemned the lives of Americans under the FBI’s wing?..
Jump on the BS train of pre-cognition... reading the minds of the CIA and FBI, the paloalto and Criteria magic show.

"You don't care about" how 9/11 truth spreads lies for the gullible followers, mocking the murder of thousands by 19 terrorists... wait, now the fantasy land of pre-cog, it would have been 17 after two were detained and what? Was there water-boarding in your fantasy world of pre-cog? Who would the CIA and FBI stop before 9/11; how many possible arrests would it take to get all 19? Which expired visa, or valid visa (acting as students etc, or real students) will you arrest to stop a terror acts which are undefined, no date, no method, not idea what, where or how... You can't define your version of 9/11, and you expect people to figure out the next crime based on...

19 terrorists did 9/11, and you can't figure it out after 15 years. You make up BS about 9/11, and failed to provide evidence.

Got a number and source for the BS of mass casualties? There were always general threats, but all we could do was stay alert. How many is mass? OKC? WTC bombing? Why did you fail to stop 9/11? Gee, you could have supported a secure cockpit, no knives... etc...

9/11 was an end run, a first time last time trick play. Using the hijacking customs of the USA, like giving D.B.Cooper a chute and money... no NORAD tracking, or the other hijackers now who are unable to come to the USA because they are wanted. 19 nuts were instructed to take planes, kill the pilots, and crash. A plot 9/11 truth and you can't comprehend why it was so easy. Now you go back in time to read minds, and fail. How did UBL find 19 idiots... I thought it might be hard, but then 9/11 truth followers showed up and proved there enough fringe followers dumbed down to believe and do most anything on the scale of 19, or 20... of course then there are some so gullible and too stupid to be allowed on the mission of murder, ... guess who

You support liars and nuts in 9/11 truth who spread lies which give comfort to idiots like the Boston bombers with their failed ideas and acts. You support liars, a most anti-intellectual endeavor. How is that going, supporting lies that are based on BS.

What is the truth? Most people who possess the minimum critical thinking skills and the ability to research and remove the chaff of BS 9/11 truth produces, are able to figure out 9/11 truth is BS and they rejoin reality in few days to weeks after taking the time to use those minimum skills in research and critical thinking.
It is true, 9/11 truth beliefs are illusions... when will 9/11 truth followers with the minimum skills join reality

better consult the illusion guru MM; why can't you guys prove your claims? no evidence. 15 years, a long time to fail to understand 19 terrorists did 9/11. Was the plot too complex, 1. take planes, 2. crash planes. Too complex for 9/11 truth followers.
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Old 9th February 2017, 04:25 PM   #50
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Originally Posted by Criteria View Post
In other words you don’t care about how the CIA behaviour condemned the lives of Americans under the FBI’s wing?


“mass casualties” is self-explanatory to most people sensitive to human loss.

Why the need to ’spin’ about the expected number of people likely to die when their WTC workplaces were struck by commercial jets on 9/11?

Are you suggesting that the resulting human carnage was never considered by the CIA — or not worth considering?
In response you said:

Originally Posted by Dave Rogers View Post
If you believe in 9/11 being an inside job in which the Twin Towers were destroyed by demolition devices, as you have frequently stated, then you have to believe that the CIA's knowledge of foreign terrorists was a complete irrelevance and could not in any case have prevented the attacks, in which case your question makes no sense. On the other hand, if the FBI were the protectors of American lives and the CIA let them down, then you're arguing that 9/11 was carried out by al-Qaeda and the CIA failed to allow the FBI to prevent them, in which case the inside job theories make no sense. Would you like to choose one or other of these mutually contradictory views to hold, or are you comfortable with holding both of them simultaneously?

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Your answer has is not only off topic in fact way off topic, but does not even begin to answer the question posed by the prior post.

Is everyone on this forum so GOD DAMN dumb they can't even answer simple questions, and have to go off topic to discuss some stupid **** about nothing.

Just answer the GOG DAMN questions!

In other words you don’t care about how the CIA behavior condemned the lives of Americans under the FBI’s wing?

Why the need to ’spin’ about the expected number of people likely to die when their WTC workplaces were struck by commercial jets on 9/11?

Are you suggesting that the resulting human carnage was never considered by the CIA — or not worth considering?

Again, just answer these simple GOG DAMN questions!
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Old 9th February 2017, 09:41 PM   #51
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Originally Posted by paloalto View Post
... Why the need to ’spin’ about the expected number of people likely to die when their WTC workplaces were struck by commercial jets on 9/11? ...
No one knew the WTC or planes were the target... how can the CIA anticipate victims before it happens?

It is dumb how 9/11 truth inside job believers post in this thread, a thread which essentially debunks their 9/11 truth paranoid conspiracy theory lies. Except for you BS about prior knowledge stuff...

Thus you can't put a number to the mass... you made up the BS? Can you source prior knowledge the target was the WTC with stolen planes, and murdered pilots to take the planes.

The CIA had no clue when, or where. Dumb is limited to your made up conclusions, and posting in a hypothetical speculative thread.

I thought you were the one who knew 9/11 was going to happen, and you failed to tell everyone.
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