[Merged] Tehran high-rise collapse due to fire / Explosion causes collapse of the Plasco bldg? - Page 3

cantonear1968 · 20th January 2017, 04:34 AM

Ah! Didn't see this before commenting in Tony Sz's thread. It makes much more sense now.

Evidence for a conspiracy theory is another conspiracy theory. Right from the playbook.

Sideroxylon · 20th January 2017, 04:46 AM

There were no planes.

MikeG · 20th January 2017, 04:47 AM

Originally Posted by Sideroxylon

There were no planes.

What, the hologram projectors failed, did they?

Sideroxylon · 20th January 2017, 04:51 AM

Originally Posted by MikeG

What, the hologram projectors failed, did they?

It's that level of incompetence by our consprator overlords that allow the great unwashed to see through their plots.

LSSBB · 20th January 2017, 05:25 AM

Inflationary theory.

Crazy Chainsaw · 20th January 2017, 06:02 AM

Originally Posted by LSSBB

Inflationary theory.

The question now will be how Tony and Gage can convince, the Iranian people they need a new investigation into this collapse, so they can rake in donations from Iran as the USA donations dry up!

BasqueArch · 20th January 2017, 06:32 AM

[quote=Tony Szamboti;11676012]When viewing video of the collapse of the 17 story Plasco building in Tehran it appears there were a couple of violent expulsions (not just billowing smoke) just before the back of the building started to come apart.

Could an explosion of something inside the building have caused the walls to collapse?[/QUOTE]

Fire fire dit it fire reported floors on fire many floors on fire fire trucks and firemen on the scene spectators watching the fire smoke from the fire flames from the fire through the wndows the building was on fire on many floors firemen hosing the fire firemen were fighting the fires fire did it fire.

Crazy Chainsaw · 20th January 2017, 06:46 AM

[quote=BasqueArch;11676208]

Originally Posted by Tony Szamboti

When viewing video of the collapse of the 17 story Plasco building in Tehran it appears there were a couple of violent expulsions (not just billowing smoke) just before the back of the building started to come apart.

Could an explosion of something inside the building have caused the walls to collapse?[/QUOTE]

Fire fire dit it fire reported floors on fire many floors on fire fire trucks and firemen on the scene spectators watching the fire smoke from the fire flames from the fire through the wndows the building was on fire on many floors firemen hosing the fire firemen were fighting the fires fire did it fire.

Tony can't understand fires, he doesn't understand how fires heat steel or the dangers of soot rich fires.

This video demonstrates why IS wrong.

Carbon black soot is a very dangerous fuel in building fires understanding it allows you to understand the fire.

It might be possible to predict the fire behavior and when a building is likely to collapse based on rate of pyrosis over time.
The deaths in Tehran might have been avoided if I could have come up with a better fire model, to indicate when the building might succumb to fire.

jaydeehess · 20th January 2017, 07:08 AM

Originally Posted by Tony Szamboti

When viewing video of the collapse of the 17 story Plasco building in Tehran it appears there were a couple of violent expulsions (not just billowing smoke) just before the back of the building started to come apart.

Could an explosion of something inside the building have caused the walls to collapse?

Aaaaahahahaha

Coffee on my screen...........
Starting the day off with a laugh, Tony you are the greatest(not that you didn't already know that)

Originally Posted by jaydeehess

"Suicide Iranian Fire fighters plant explosives to prove 9/11 WTC collapses were due to fire" pushed on DIF in 3..2..1.......

I thought it would be the DIFbats.

I call Poe. Tony is having us on, pulling chains, pushing buttons,

Argumemnon · 20th January 2017, 07:11 AM

Originally Posted by Tony Szamboti

When viewing video of the collapse of the 17 story Plasco building in Tehran it appears there were a couple of violent expulsions (not just billowing smoke) just before the back of the building started to come apart.

Could an explosion of something inside the building have caused the walls to collapse?

Is there _any_ building collapse that doesn't look shady to you?

Dave Rogers · 20th January 2017, 07:12 AM

Originally Posted by Argumemnon

Is there _any_ building collapse that doesn't look shady to you?

Let's just say that when Tony plays Jenga, he always wears body armour.

Dave

jaydeehess · 20th January 2017, 07:27 AM

Originally Posted by Dave Rogers

Let's just say that when Tony plays Jenga, he always wears body armour.

Dave

I've played this, on a deck, in the rain, while drinking. Body armour could be indicated.

Crazy Chainsaw · 20th January 2017, 07:28 AM

Originally Posted by Dave Rogers

Let's just say that when Tony plays Jenga, he always wears body armour.

Dave

He also plays domino's, by setting the dominos a foot apart and knocking them down one by one.

benthamitemetric · 20th January 2017, 07:29 AM

Originally Posted by Tony Szamboti

When viewing video of the collapse of the 17 story Plasco building in Tehran it appears there were a couple of violent expulsions (not just billowing smoke) just before the back of the building started to come apart.

Could an explosion of something inside the building have caused the walls to collapse?

By the looks of it, the floor collapses propagated downward and then the columns lost lateral support. I guess someone didn't tell Iranian girder connections that consecutive floors can never collapse according to your modeling work, and they also forgot to tell Iranian fires that they can't heat the connections enough to make even one floor collapse according to your heating theories.

jaydeehess · 20th January 2017, 07:32 AM

Originally Posted by benthamitemetric

By the looks of it, the floor collapses propagated downward and then the columns lost lateral support. I guess someone didn't tell Iranian girder connections that consecutive floors can never collapse according to your modeling work, and they also forgot to tell Iranian fires that they can't heat the connections enough to make even one floor collapse according to your heating theories.

What is the Iranian equivalent to ARUP?

Can hardly wait for the whitewash, cover up, report to happen.

Hope they found more guys alive in there.

jaydeehess · 20th January 2017, 07:40 AM

This report says that an investigation has been ordered immediately. (at the end of the video)
Global News

One fire fighter says he survived because he jumped out a window. He cries as he recalls his co-workers who were too far from the window and were trapped inside.

Crazy Chainsaw · 20th January 2017, 07:45 AM

Originally Posted by benthamitemetric

By the looks of it, the floor collapses propagated downward and then the columns lost lateral support. I guess someone didn't tell Iranian girder connections that consecutive floors can never collapse according to your modeling work, and they also forgot to tell Iranian fires that they can't heat the connections enough to make even one floor collapse according to your heating theories.

Did you notice the Columns that stood in defiance of earths rotation, someone told me a mechanical engineer on the 9/11 forum that it was impossible for columns to do that.

Gee I wonder who that unlicensed mechanical engineer was?

FFTR · 20th January 2017, 07:47 AM

Originally Posted by Tony Szamboti

When viewing video of the collapse of the 17 story Plasco building in Tehran it appears there were a couple of violent expulsions (not just billowing smoke) just before the back of the building started to come apart.

Could an explosion of something inside the building have caused the walls to collapse?

What do you think was the cause of the "explosion"?

Have you never seen "violent expulsions" from fires before?

jaydeehess · 20th January 2017, 07:57 AM

Looking at various views of the collapse it seems pretty straight forward:
.... a floor at about the 10th-14th level collapsed (where the most intense fire was at the time) first.

The floors below were weakened from the fires and the initial floor collapse then caused multiple floor failures down to the lower levels. Interior failures progressed as the exterior failed near the area of initial floor failure. With the floors failed the exterior walls fell inwards. Some columns remained, stripped of floor connections and they then fell due to lack of lateral support and buffeting from debris.

Crazy Chainsaw · 20th January 2017, 08:18 AM

Originally Posted by jaydeehess

Looking at various views of the collapse it seems pretty straight forward:
.... a floor at about the 10th-14th level collapsed (where the most intense fire was at the time) first.

The floors below were weakened from the fires and the initial floor collapse then caused multiple floor failures down to the lower levels. Interior failures progressed as the exterior failed near the area of initial floor failure. With the floors failed the exterior walls fell inwards. Some columns remained, stripped of floor connections and they then fell due to lack of lateral support and buffeting from debris.

Yes very similar to the world trade center 7 collapse, except at 7 it was the facade columns that stood until kicked out at bottom by the debris.

I have a rock a big one, Tony can borrow if he needs to crawl under one right now.

jaydeehess · 20th January 2017, 08:34 AM

Originally Posted by Crazy Chainsaw

Yes very similar to the world trade center 7 collapse, except at 7 it was the facade columns that stood until kicked out at bottom by the debris.

I have a rock a big one, Tony can borrow if he needs to crawl under one right now.

Bear in mind that Plasco was constructed the same from bottom to top compared to WTC7's lower 8 floors. Essentially WTC 7 was a 40 storey building constructed on a "foundation" which was already 7 storeys above ground.

Dave Rogers · 20th January 2017, 08:36 AM

Originally Posted by jaydeehess

Bear in mind that Plasco was constructed the same from top to bottom[...]

That's unusual. Buildings are normally constructed from bottom to top.

Dave

jaydeehess · 20th January 2017, 08:39 AM

Originally Posted by Dave Rogers

That's unusual. Buildings are normally constructed from bottom to top.

Dave

edited to correct for smartasses

Oystein · 20th January 2017, 09:00 AM

Originally Posted by Tony Szamboti

When viewing video of the collapse of the 17 story Plasco building in Tehran it appears there were a couple of violent expulsions (not just billowing smoke) just before the back of the building started to come apart.

Could an explosion of something inside the building have caused the walls to collapse?

What explosion? There was no explosion.

As you have been schooled many times before, explosive CD is identical to creating shockwaves to break the structure, and shockwaves are identically equal to loud bangs - it is the sound that makes the CD.

So why can't you hear any explosions consistent in timing, loudness, number and brisance with CD?

Here are some examples of what to expect:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGfX6XA1rNM&t=40s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCtFQOHJKuc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MC4e_CodhLw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPfbH9lX9rs

These awesomely loud explosions reverberate mightily - do you not hear that?

None of that is heard in Teheran.
None of that is heard at the WTC.
As you have been schooled many many times.
You won't even deny that you honestly can't hear any such CD explosions at the WTC - though, coward and dishonest as you fundamentally are, you won't ever admit this truth ever.

beachnut · 20th January 2017, 09:02 AM

Originally Posted by Tony Szamboti

When viewing video of the collapse of the 17 story Plasco building in Tehran it appears there were a couple of violent expulsions (not just billowing smoke) just before the back of the building started to come apart.

Could an explosion of something inside the building have caused the walls to collapse?

Never been bombed, near an explosion which damages structure? No experience? Trying to back in CD for a current fire event? This fire event was fought, unlike 7. Fantasy never ends. It does not matter why the building fell, for WTC 7, it was fire. Got any time in a combat zone?

Keep spreading the lie of CD, it makes people who hate the US feel better; aid and comfort to terrorists.

Oystein · 20th January 2017, 09:03 AM

Originally Posted by benthamitemetric

By the looks of it, the floor collapses propagated downward and then the columns lost lateral support. I guess someone didn't tell Iranian girder connections that consecutive floors can never collapse according to your modeling work, and they also forgot to tell Iranian fires that they can't heat the connections enough to make even one floor collapse according to your heating theories.

Perhaps the Iranian engineers and fire fighting community are brainwashed by their leadership to believe every anti-American conspiracy theory, and thus they take their "knowledge" from AE911Truth and their chief engineer, Tony Sz.

In that case, Tony would now have the lives of 30+ Iranians on his soul. Because he is spreading dangerous disinfo.

Crazy Chainsaw · 20th January 2017, 09:09 AM

[quote=Oystein;11676509]Perhaps the Iranian engineers and fire fighting community are brainwashed by their leadership to believe every anti-American conspiracy theory, and thus they take their "knowledge" from AE911Truth and their chief engineer, Tony Sz.

In that case, Tony would now have the lives of 30+ Iranians on his soul. Because he is spreading dangerous disinfo.

I don't think so but one never knows about idiots.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...1-mystery.html

Mark F · 20th January 2017, 09:17 AM

Did we really need another thread on the Tehran building fire?

Crazy Chainsaw · 20th January 2017, 09:19 AM

Originally Posted by Mark F

Did we really need another thread on the Tehran building fire?

Blame Tony, he started it, he is being so quiet on this.

jaydeehess · 20th January 2017, 09:23 AM

I reiterate:

Originally Posted by jaydeehess

I call Poe. Tony is having us on, pulling chains, pushing buttons,

jaydeehess · 20th January 2017, 09:25 AM

Originally Posted by Mark F

Did we really need another thread on the Tehran building fire?

Merge suggested to mods.

Whip · 20th January 2017, 09:28 AM

Originally Posted by Mark F

Did we really need another thread on the Tehran building fire?

people need attention. I've asked for it to be merged with the original one. waiting to see if it happens.

Jaytje46 · 20th January 2017, 12:07 PM

Hahaha. The AE911 Dolts posted this on their Facebook page.

Quote:

Tehran Building Collapse: Investigators Must Consider Explosives
Released January 20, 2017
At approximately 11:30 AM local time yesterday in Tehran, an iconic 17-story high-rise known as the Plasco Building tragically collapsed after being on fire for some 3 ½ hours. It is not yet known how many firefighters and civilians were killed, but early reports say that anywhere from 20 to 50 are feared dead.
Based on preliminary analysis of many videos of the collapse, Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth (AE911Truth)—a nonprofit that represents more than 2,750 architects and engineers who are calling for a new investigation of the 2001 World Trade Center disaster—strongly urges President Rouhani, Iranian authorities, and the people of Iran to thoroughly investigate the possible use of explosives in the Plasco Building’s shocking demise, and to act swiftly and decisively to preserve the physical evidence.
Let us be clear: It is impossible to know at this early stage what caused the structure to suddenly come crashing down. But, as with any proper forensic investigation, no plausible scenario should be ruled out—especially when the available data seem to support that scenario.
Here, six separate videos we have compiled show what appear to be—and in some cases sound like—explosions emanating from the tower in sequential patterns as it began to crumble. The building’s tumultuous fall is then accompanied by thick, energetic, rapidly forming plumes that are reminiscent of what we see in controlled demolitions.
Further, the BBC reported that the fires were nearly extinguished—and that emergency personnel and occupants had begun reentering the building—when the collapse unexpectedly occurred. Indeed, videos display very few flames and a thick black smoke—signs of a low-temperature, oxygen-starved fire. Moreover, the inferno was limited to the upper floors, yet the entire 17 stories came down in just a few seconds.
We at AE911Truth are all too familiar with events in which a prematurely formed narrative makes it harder to subsequently ascertain what truly happened. We therefore adamantly caution against rushing to any conclusions as investigators work to uncover the truth surrounding this national tragedy in Iran.
Should the Plasco Building collapse be found to have been caused by pre-placed explosives, sadly it will not be the first time that explosives were used to bring down a burning high-rise while people were still inside.

The Big Dog · 20th January 2017, 12:16 PM

Originally Posted by Jaytje46

Hahaha. The AE911 Dolts posted this on their Facebook page.

From AE911

Quote:

Indeed, videos display very few flames and a thick black smoke—signs of a low-temperature, oxygen-starved fire.

Holy crap that is such a lie.

Quote:

Black Fire

“Black fire” is a good phrase to describe smoke that is high-volume, turbulent velocity, ultradense, and black. Black fire is a sure sign of impending autoignition and flashover. In actuality, the phrase “black fire” is accurate-the smoke itself is doing all the destruction that flames would cause-charring, heat damage to steel, content destruction, and victim death. Black fire can reach temperatures of more than 1,000°F! Treat black fire just as actual flames-vent and cool.

http://www.fireengineering.com/artic...ing-smoke.html

these mutts are not just full of it they are dangerous.

DGM · 20th January 2017, 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by Jaytje46

Hahaha. The AE911 Dolts posted this on their Facebook page.

Damage control post on their part. You can't have the flock thinking you're not on the job............

I love this:

Quote:

Based on preliminary analysis of many videos of the collapse, Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth (AE911Truth)—a nonprofit that represents more than 2,750 architects and engineers who are calling for a new investigation of the 2001 World Trade Center disaster

Always about promotion.......

pgimeno · 20th January 2017, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by The Big Dog

From AE911

Holy crap that is such a lie.

http://www.fireengineering.com/artic...ing-smoke.html

these mutts are not just full of it they are dangerous.

To further the point:

YouTube Video This video is not hosted by the ISF. The ISF can not be held responsible for the suitability or legality of this material. By clicking the link below you agree to view content from an external website.

I AGREE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UkU-jfLaHY

pgimeno · 20th January 2017, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by Jaytje46

Hahaha. The AE911 Dolts posted this on their Facebook page.

Quote:

[...]
Here, six separate videos we have compiled show what appear to be—and in some cases sound like—explosions emanating from the tower in sequential patterns as it began to crumble. The building’s tumultuous fall is then accompanied by thick, energetic, rapidly forming plumes that are reminiscent of what we see in controlled demolitions.
[...]

Indeed!!! And in normal building collapses too!!! Which should make Gage scratch one or more points from his list of "10 characteristics of controlled demolition", because they are just indicative of a collapse, whether CD-induced or not.

sts60 · 20th January 2017, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by The Big Dog

From AE911

Holy crap that is such a lie.

http://www.fireengineering.com/artic...ing-smoke.html

these mutts are not just full of it they are dangerous.

Brace yourself, TBD: I agree with you.

As a (volunteer) FF, I've always had a good laugh at the "low temperature, oxygen-starved fire" idiocy.

Crazy Chainsaw · 20th January 2017, 12:48 PM

Originally Posted by Jaytje46

Hahaha. The AE911 Dolts posted this on their Facebook page.

Is there any way someone could send this to an Iranian embassy for Comment?

Would love to see what Iranians say.

LSSBB · 20th January 2017, 01:54 PM

Doubling down on the dumb. Way to go, AE911T, can't admit your whole shtick is shtucked

20th January 2017, 04:34 AM	#81
cantonear1968 Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,536	Ah! Didn't see this before commenting in Tony Sz's thread. It makes much more sense now. Evidence for a conspiracy theory is another conspiracy theory. Right from the playbook.
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20th January 2017, 04:46 AM	#82
Sideroxylon Featherless biped Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Aporia Posts: 17,596	There were no planes.
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20th January 2017, 04:47 AM	#83
MikeG Now. Do it now. Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: UK Posts: 18,365	Originally Posted by Sideroxylon There were no planes. What, the hologram projectors failed, did they?
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20th January 2017, 04:51 AM	#84
Sideroxylon Featherless biped Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Aporia Posts: 17,596	Originally Posted by MikeG What, the hologram projectors failed, did they? It's that level of incompetence by our consprator overlords that allow the great unwashed to see through their plots.
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20th January 2017, 05:25 AM	#85
LSSBB Devilish Dictionarian Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: An elusive house at Bachelors Grove Cemetery Posts: 14,580	Inflationary theory.
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20th January 2017, 06:02 AM	#86
Crazy Chainsaw Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 4,703	Originally Posted by LSSBB Inflationary theory. The question now will be how Tony and Gage can convince, the Iranian people they need a new investigation into this collapse, so they can rake in donations from Iran as the USA donations dry up!

20th January 2017, 06:32 AM	#87
BasqueArch Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 1,855	[quote=Tony Szamboti;11676012]When viewing video of the collapse of the 17 story Plasco building in Tehran it appears there were a couple of violent expulsions (not just billowing smoke) just before the back of the building started to come apart. Could an explosion of something inside the building have caused the walls to collapse?[/QUOTE] Fire fire dit it fire reported floors on fire many floors on fire fire trucks and firemen on the scene spectators watching the fire smoke from the fire flames from the fire through the wndows the building was on fire on many floors firemen hosing the fire firemen were fighting the fires fire did it fire.
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20th January 2017, 06:46 AM	#88
Crazy Chainsaw Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 4,703	[quote=BasqueArch;11676208] Originally Posted by Tony Szamboti When viewing video of the collapse of the 17 story Plasco building in Tehran it appears there were a couple of violent expulsions (not just billowing smoke) just before the back of the building started to come apart. Could an explosion of something inside the building have caused the walls to collapse?[/QUOTE] Fire fire dit it fire reported floors on fire many floors on fire fire trucks and firemen on the scene spectators watching the fire smoke from the fire flames from the fire through the wndows the building was on fire on many floors firemen hosing the fire firemen were fighting the fires fire did it fire. Tony can't understand fires, he doesn't understand how fires heat steel or the dangers of soot rich fires. This video demonstrates why IS wrong. Super heating stump pile: http://youtu.be/Zzx1ZVtpg5E Carbon black soot is a very dangerous fuel in building fires understanding it allows you to understand the fire. It might be possible to predict the fire behavior and when a building is likely to collapse based on rate of pyrosis over time. The deaths in Tehran might have been avoided if I could have come up with a better fire model, to indicate when the building might succumb to fire.
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20th January 2017, 07:08 AM	#89
jaydeehess Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: 40 miles north of the border Posts: 20,776	Originally Posted by Tony Szamboti When viewing video of the collapse of the 17 story Plasco building in Tehran it appears there were a couple of violent expulsions (not just billowing smoke) just before the back of the building started to come apart. Could an explosion of something inside the building have caused the walls to collapse? Aaaaahahahaha Coffee on my screen........... Starting the day off with a laugh, Tony you are the greatest(not that you didn't already know that) Originally Posted by jaydeehess "Suicide Iranian Fire fighters plant explosives to prove 9/11 WTC collapses were due to fire" pushed on DIF in 3..2..1....... I thought it would be the DIFbats. I call Poe. Tony is having us on, pulling chains, pushing buttons,
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20th January 2017, 07:11 AM	#90
Argumemnon World Maker Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In the thick of things Posts: 62,887	Originally Posted by Tony Szamboti When viewing video of the collapse of the 17 story Plasco building in Tehran it appears there were a couple of violent expulsions (not just billowing smoke) just before the back of the building started to come apart. Could an explosion of something inside the building have caused the walls to collapse? Is there _any_ building collapse that doesn't look shady to you?
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20th January 2017, 07:12 AM	#91
Dave Rogers Bandaged ice that stampedes inexpensively through a scribbled morning waving necessary ankles Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Cair Paravel, according to XKCD Posts: 23,709	Originally Posted by Argumemnon Is there _any_ building collapse that doesn't look shady to you? Let's just say that when Tony plays Jenga, he always wears body armour. Dave
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20th January 2017, 07:27 AM	#92
jaydeehess Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: 40 miles north of the border Posts: 20,776	Originally Posted by Dave Rogers Let's just say that when Tony plays Jenga, he always wears body armour. Dave I've played this, on a deck, in the rain, while drinking. Body armour could be indicated.
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20th January 2017, 07:28 AM	#93
Crazy Chainsaw Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 4,703	Originally Posted by Dave Rogers Let's just say that when Tony plays Jenga, he always wears body armour. Dave He also plays domino's, by setting the dominos a foot apart and knocking them down one by one.

20th January 2017, 07:29 AM	#94
benthamitemetric Critical Thinker Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 434	Originally Posted by Tony Szamboti When viewing video of the collapse of the 17 story Plasco building in Tehran it appears there were a couple of violent expulsions (not just billowing smoke) just before the back of the building started to come apart. Could an explosion of something inside the building have caused the walls to collapse? By the looks of it, the floor collapses propagated downward and then the columns lost lateral support. I guess someone didn't tell Iranian girder connections that consecutive floors can never collapse according to your modeling work, and they also forgot to tell Iranian fires that they can't heat the connections enough to make even one floor collapse according to your heating theories.

20th January 2017, 07:32 AM	#95
jaydeehess Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: 40 miles north of the border Posts: 20,776	Originally Posted by benthamitemetric By the looks of it, the floor collapses propagated downward and then the columns lost lateral support. I guess someone didn't tell Iranian girder connections that consecutive floors can never collapse according to your modeling work, and they also forgot to tell Iranian fires that they can't heat the connections enough to make even one floor collapse according to your heating theories. What is the Iranian equivalent to ARUP? Can hardly wait for the whitewash, cover up, report to happen. Hope they found more guys alive in there.

20th January 2017, 07:40 AM	#96
jaydeehess Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: 40 miles north of the border Posts: 20,776	This report says that an investigation has been ordered immediately. (at the end of the video) Global News One fire fighter says he survived because he jumped out a window. He cries as he recalls his co-workers who were too far from the window and were trapped inside.
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20th January 2017, 07:45 AM	#97
Crazy Chainsaw Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 4,703	Originally Posted by benthamitemetric By the looks of it, the floor collapses propagated downward and then the columns lost lateral support. I guess someone didn't tell Iranian girder connections that consecutive floors can never collapse according to your modeling work, and they also forgot to tell Iranian fires that they can't heat the connections enough to make even one floor collapse according to your heating theories. Did you notice the Columns that stood in defiance of earths rotation, someone told me a mechanical engineer on the 9/11 forum that it was impossible for columns to do that. Gee I wonder who that unlicensed mechanical engineer was?

20th January 2017, 07:47 AM	#98
FFTR Student Join Date: Dec 2016 Posts: 44	Originally Posted by Tony Szamboti When viewing video of the collapse of the 17 story Plasco building in Tehran it appears there were a couple of violent expulsions (not just billowing smoke) just before the back of the building started to come apart. Could an explosion of something inside the building have caused the walls to collapse? What do you think was the cause of the "explosion"? Have you never seen "violent expulsions" from fires before?
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20th January 2017, 07:57 AM	#99
jaydeehess Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: 40 miles north of the border Posts: 20,776	Looking at various views of the collapse it seems pretty straight forward: .... a floor at about the 10th-14th level collapsed (where the most intense fire was at the time) first. The floors below were weakened from the fires and the initial floor collapse then caused multiple floor failures down to the lower levels. Interior failures progressed as the exterior failed near the area of initial floor failure. With the floors failed the exterior walls fell inwards. Some columns remained, stripped of floor connections and they then fell due to lack of lateral support and buffeting from debris.

20th January 2017, 08:18 AM	#100
Crazy Chainsaw Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 4,703	Originally Posted by jaydeehess Looking at various views of the collapse it seems pretty straight forward: .... a floor at about the 10th-14th level collapsed (where the most intense fire was at the time) first. The floors below were weakened from the fires and the initial floor collapse then caused multiple floor failures down to the lower levels. Interior failures progressed as the exterior failed near the area of initial floor failure. With the floors failed the exterior walls fell inwards. Some columns remained, stripped of floor connections and they then fell due to lack of lateral support and buffeting from debris. Yes very similar to the world trade center 7 collapse, except at 7 it was the facade columns that stood until kicked out at bottom by the debris. I have a rock a big one, Tony can borrow if he needs to crawl under one right now.

20th January 2017, 08:34 AM	#101
jaydeehess Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: 40 miles north of the border Posts: 20,776	Originally Posted by Crazy Chainsaw Yes very similar to the world trade center 7 collapse, except at 7 it was the facade columns that stood until kicked out at bottom by the debris. I have a rock a big one, Tony can borrow if he needs to crawl under one right now. Bear in mind that Plasco was constructed the same from bottom to top compared to WTC7's lower 8 floors. Essentially WTC 7 was a 40 storey building constructed on a "foundation" which was already 7 storeys above ground.
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20th January 2017, 08:36 AM	#102
Dave Rogers Bandaged ice that stampedes inexpensively through a scribbled morning waving necessary ankles Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Cair Paravel, according to XKCD Posts: 23,709	Originally Posted by jaydeehess Bear in mind that Plasco was constructed the same from top to bottom[...] That's unusual. Buildings are normally constructed from bottom to top. Dave
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20th January 2017, 08:39 AM	#103
jaydeehess Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: 40 miles north of the border Posts: 20,776	Originally Posted by Dave Rogers That's unusual. Buildings are normally constructed from bottom to top. Dave edited to correct for smartasses

20th January 2017, 09:00 AM	#104
Oystein Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 13,988	Originally Posted by Tony Szamboti When viewing video of the collapse of the 17 story Plasco building in Tehran it appears there were a couple of violent expulsions (not just billowing smoke) just before the back of the building started to come apart. Could an explosion of something inside the building have caused the walls to collapse? What explosion? There was no explosion. As you have been schooled many times before, explosive CD is identical to creating shockwaves to break the structure, and shockwaves are identically equal to loud bangs - it is the sound that makes the CD. So why can't you hear any explosions consistent in timing, loudness, number and brisance with CD? Here are some examples of what to expect: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGfX6XA1rNM&t=40s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCtFQOHJKuc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MC4e_CodhLw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPfbH9lX9rs These awesomely loud explosions reverberate mightily - do you not hear that? None of that is heard in Teheran. None of that is heard at the WTC. As you have been schooled many many times. You won't even deny that you honestly can't hear any such CD explosions at the WTC - though, coward and dishonest as you fundamentally are, you won't ever admit this truth ever.
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20th January 2017, 09:02 AM	#105
beachnut Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Dog House Posts: 24,729	Originally Posted by Tony Szamboti When viewing video of the collapse of the 17 story Plasco building in Tehran it appears there were a couple of violent expulsions (not just billowing smoke) just before the back of the building started to come apart. Could an explosion of something inside the building have caused the walls to collapse? Never been bombed, near an explosion which damages structure? No experience? Trying to back in CD for a current fire event? This fire event was fought, unlike 7. Fantasy never ends. It does not matter why the building fell, for WTC 7, it was fire. Got any time in a combat zone? Keep spreading the lie of CD, it makes people who hate the US feel better; aid and comfort to terrorists.
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20th January 2017, 09:03 AM	#106
Oystein Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 13,988	Originally Posted by benthamitemetric By the looks of it, the floor collapses propagated downward and then the columns lost lateral support. I guess someone didn't tell Iranian girder connections that consecutive floors can never collapse according to your modeling work, and they also forgot to tell Iranian fires that they can't heat the connections enough to make even one floor collapse according to your heating theories. Perhaps the Iranian engineers and fire fighting community are brainwashed by their leadership to believe every anti-American conspiracy theory, and thus they take their "knowledge" from AE911Truth and their chief engineer, Tony Sz. In that case, Tony would now have the lives of 30+ Iranians on his soul. Because he is spreading dangerous disinfo.
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20th January 2017, 09:09 AM	#107
Crazy Chainsaw Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 4,703	[quote=Oystein;11676509]Perhaps the Iranian engineers and fire fighting community are brainwashed by their leadership to believe every anti-American conspiracy theory, and thus they take their "knowledge" from AE911Truth and their chief engineer, Tony Sz. In that case, Tony would now have the lives of 30+ Iranians on his soul. Because he is spreading dangerous disinfo. I don't think so but one never knows about idiots. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...1-mystery.html

20th January 2017, 09:17 AM	#108
Mark F Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 1,029	Did we really need another thread on the Tehran building fire?
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20th January 2017, 09:19 AM	#109
Crazy Chainsaw Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 4,703	Originally Posted by Mark F Did we really need another thread on the Tehran building fire? Blame Tony, he started it, he is being so quiet on this.

20th January 2017, 09:23 AM	#110
jaydeehess Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: 40 miles north of the border Posts: 20,776	I reiterate: Originally Posted by jaydeehess I call Poe. Tony is having us on, pulling chains, pushing buttons,

20th January 2017, 09:25 AM	#111
jaydeehess Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: 40 miles north of the border Posts: 20,776	Originally Posted by Mark F Did we really need another thread on the Tehran building fire? Merge suggested to mods.

20th January 2017, 09:28 AM	#112
Whip Muse Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 561	Originally Posted by Mark F Did we really need another thread on the Tehran building fire? people need attention. I've asked for it to be merged with the original one. waiting to see if it happens.
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20th January 2017, 12:07 PM	#113
Jaytje46 Critical Thinker Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 447	Hahaha. The AE911 Dolts posted this on their Facebook page. Quote: Tehran Building Collapse: Investigators Must Consider Explosives Released January 20, 2017 At approximately 11:30 AM local time yesterday in Tehran, an iconic 17-story high-rise known as the Plasco Building tragically collapsed after being on fire for some 3 ½ hours. It is not yet known how many firefighters and civilians were killed, but early reports say that anywhere from 20 to 50 are feared dead. Based on preliminary analysis of many videos of the collapse, Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth (AE911Truth)—a nonprofit that represents more than 2,750 architects and engineers who are calling for a new investigation of the 2001 World Trade Center disaster—strongly urges President Rouhani, Iranian authorities, and the people of Iran to thoroughly investigate the possible use of explosives in the Plasco Building’s shocking demise, and to act swiftly and decisively to preserve the physical evidence. Let us be clear: It is impossible to know at this early stage what caused the structure to suddenly come crashing down. But, as with any proper forensic investigation, no plausible scenario should be ruled out—especially when the available data seem to support that scenario. Here, six separate videos we have compiled show what appear to be—and in some cases sound like—explosions emanating from the tower in sequential patterns as it began to crumble. The building’s tumultuous fall is then accompanied by thick, energetic, rapidly forming plumes that are reminiscent of what we see in controlled demolitions. Further, the BBC reported that the fires were nearly extinguished—and that emergency personnel and occupants had begun reentering the building—when the collapse unexpectedly occurred. Indeed, videos display very few flames and a thick black smoke—signs of a low-temperature, oxygen-starved fire. Moreover, the inferno was limited to the upper floors, yet the entire 17 stories came down in just a few seconds. We at AE911Truth are all too familiar with events in which a prematurely formed narrative makes it harder to subsequently ascertain what truly happened. We therefore adamantly caution against rushing to any conclusions as investigators work to uncover the truth surrounding this national tragedy in Iran. Should the Plasco Building collapse be found to have been caused by pre-placed explosives, sadly it will not be the first time that explosives were used to bring down a burning high-rise while people were still inside.
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20th January 2017, 12:16 PM	#114
The Big Dog Suspended Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 19,077	Originally Posted by Jaytje46 Hahaha. The AE911 Dolts posted this on their Facebook page. From AE911 Quote: Indeed, videos display very few flames and a thick black smoke—signs of a low-temperature, oxygen-starved fire. Holy crap that is such a lie. Quote: Black Fire “Black fire” is a good phrase to describe smoke that is high-volume, turbulent velocity, ultradense, and black. Black fire is a sure sign of impending autoignition and flashover. In actuality, the phrase “black fire” is accurate-the smoke itself is doing all the destruction that flames would cause-charring, heat damage to steel, content destruction, and victim death. Black fire can reach temperatures of more than 1,000°F! Treat black fire just as actual flames-vent and cool. http://www.fireengineering.com/artic...ing-smoke.html these mutts are not just full of it they are dangerous.
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20th January 2017, 12:29 PM	#115
DGM Skeptic not Atheist Join Date: May 2007 Location: West of Northshore MA Posts: 24,069	Originally Posted by Jaytje46 Hahaha. The AE911 Dolts posted this on their Facebook page. Damage control post on their part. You can't have the flock thinking you're not on the job............ I love this: Quote: Based on preliminary analysis of many videos of the collapse, Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth (AE911Truth)—a nonprofit that represents more than 2,750 architects and engineers who are calling for a new investigation of the 2001 World Trade Center disaster Always about promotion.......
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