Footage from 9/10/2001 and 9/11/2001 showing WTC fuze boxes and thermal imaging?

MicahJava · 9th February 2017, 04:58 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5udh...ature=youtu.be

Can't find an exact source for this video. Is this from a FOIA?

The video appears to show fuse boxes from the WTC on September 10, 2001, followed by random footage of the burning Towers with a thermal imaging setting on the camera. What is the origin of this footage? There are seemingly dubious rumors in the comment section that this video was taken from an Israeli Mossad camcorder.

Mike! · 9th February 2017, 05:05 PM

A camera only knows the date and time you tell it.

Spindrift · 9th February 2017, 05:20 PM

You said it yourself, "dubious rumors". Until there is real provenance, it's best to just ignore it and not go chasing wild geese.
Especially something that could be easily faked like that video.

Winterfrost · 9th February 2017, 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by MicahJava

The video appears to show fuse boxes from the WTC on September 10, 2001

How are you identifying the footage of fuse boxes as having been taken in the WTC?

DGM · 9th February 2017, 06:05 PM

Originally Posted by Winterfrost

How are you identifying the footage of fuse boxes as having been taken in the WTC?

It was PROVEN by YouTube. What else would he need?

Delphic Oracle · 9th February 2017, 06:05 PM

Never underestimate the power of a descriptive caption.

Note that visible light images are handheld (organic movement). The 'FLIR' footage is static, meaning either locked down on a mount or perhaps not video at all, but merely a (doctored) photo with an animated graphic overlay.

I notice, also, that the first few frames of each visible light recording is greyscale which rapidly transitions to full color. Like someone didn't quite get the timing right on the key frames for an after-effects filter.

As for the supposedly thermal imaging of the burning towers. Even if genuine, why is this significant? Yeah, it's hot on the floors where massive jet fuel fed fires are burning. And?

Loss Leader · 9th February 2017, 06:22 PM

Someone took video of a fusebox at the WTC on September 10, 2001?

That is just ...

Whip · 9th February 2017, 06:44 PM

Originally Posted by Loss Leader

Someone took video of a fusebox at the WTC on September 10, 2001?

That is just ...

lol. exactly.

MicahJava · 9th February 2017, 08:46 PM

Originally Posted by Winterfrost

How are you identifying the footage of fuse boxes as having been taken in the WTC?

Oh right. There is no evidence unless someone could maybe identify the exact kind of equipment shown in the video.

Does anybody know if this is from a NIST FOIA?

jaydeehess · 9th February 2017, 08:48 PM

Originally Posted by MicahJava

The video appears to show fuse boxes from the WTC on September 10, 2001,

What is it that indicates these fuse boxes are in the WTC complex?

Quote:

followed by random footage of the burning Towers with a thermal imaging setting on the camera. What is the origin of this footage? There are seemingly dubious rumors in the comment section that this video was taken from an Israeli Mossad camcorder.

Sounds like pure speculation, unless there is something that links these things.

MicahJava · 9th February 2017, 08:53 PM

Found the original source.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ld8rvA2OV8E

Release 27, 42A0189 - G26D48.

911conspiracy.tv says (see also release 14 with better audio)

The footage was taken by Carol Ciemiengo. Hardly sounds like Israeli Mossad.

MicahJava · 9th February 2017, 08:59 PM

Carol Ciemiengo, thermographer, actually wrote an article about her experience. On September 10th she was indeed hired to do some work in Lower Manhattan (she didn't say specifically the WTC). She wrote an article about it:

September 11, 2001: A Thermographer’s Experience at Ground Zero

skyeagle409 · 9th February 2017, 09:19 PM

Originally Posted by MicahJava

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5udh...ature=youtu.be

Can't find an exact source for this video. Is this from a FOIA?

The video appears to show fuse boxes from the WTC on September 10, 2001, followed by random footage of the burning Towers with a thermal imaging setting on the camera. What is the origin of this footage? There are seemingly dubious rumors in the comment section that this video was taken from an Israeli Mossad camcorder.

As to what caused the destruction at WTC ground zero from the conspiracy theorist folks, we have had thermite, nano-thermite, CD explosives, DEW, nukes, and now, fuse boxes. What's next?

Delphic Oracle · 9th February 2017, 09:27 PM

Why would someone wire up all the explosives to a limited number of circuits?

Why would those circuits/fuses show massive current levels (evidenced by heat) going through them the day before they were supposedly activated?

I propose this is evidence of, yet again, people manufacturing evidence when they don't understand How Things Work.

pgimeno · 9th February 2017, 09:41 PM

There's a discussion of this infrared camera in NCSTAR 1-5A p.140 (PDF Ch1-8 p.236) and a few more, e.g. there's an image that looks from that video in p.164 (PDF p.260).

ETA: I doubt that the fuses are from the WTC. NIST say the person was working on a nearby building.

beachnut · 9th February 2017, 10:14 PM

Originally Posted by MicahJava

Carol Ciemiengo, thermographer, actually wrote an article about her experience. On September 10th she was indeed hired to do some work in Lower Manhattan (she didn't say specifically the WTC). She wrote an article about it:

September 11, 2001: A Thermographer’s Experience at Ground Zero

Wow, research, and you still have the inside job fantasy, thermite, CD, and woo. oh my

MicahJava · 9th February 2017, 10:21 PM

Originally Posted by DGM

It was PROVEN by YouTube. What else would he need?

I found this posted to Reddit.com/r/conspiracy with a few upvotes, there were a couple of comments (which literally cited another Youtube comment) claiming that this footage was actually confiscated from Israeli Mossad agents. Just one of many myths that clutters up the legitimate questions.

MicahJava · 9th February 2017, 10:27 PM

Originally Posted by skyeagle409

As to what caused the destruction at WTC ground zero from the conspiracy theorist folks, we have had thermite, nano-thermite, CD explosives, DEW, nukes, and now, fuse boxes. What's next?

I vaguely remember somebody theorizing that some kind of ultra-thin nanotubes were shot out of the sky into the Twin Towers. Saw it somewhere on reddit.com/r/conspiracy, can't find the original post.

MicahJava · 9th February 2017, 10:29 PM

Originally Posted by beachnut

Wow, research, and you still have the inside job fantasy, thermite, CD, and woo. oh my

You know, I never actually said I believe in CD. I just find it a distinct possibility, and I think the WTC disaster totally deserves investigation into inside job.

A lot of conspiracy-related issues could have more light shed on them if a good amount of experts gave it a second look. Like the x-rays and skull photographs of JFK.

beachnut · 9th February 2017, 10:36 PM

Originally Posted by MicahJava

You know, I never actually said I believe in CD. I just find it a distinct possibility, and I think the WTC disaster totally deserves investigation into inside job.

A lot of conspiracy-related issues could have more light shed on them if more experts gave it a second look. Like the x-rays and skull photographs of JFK.

There was no inside job, and no CD, and your questions are BS because you fail to use evidence.

CD is a lie, not a possibility. There was no inside job, only evidence for 19 failed nuts associated with UBL. You can't figure out 9/11 after 15 years; how is the inside job going?

Loss Leader · 9th February 2017, 10:41 PM

A video of a WTC fuse box on September 10, 2001. That's like finding a portrait of George Washington getting ready to sit for his portrait.

It's like taping the entire three hour pre-game show just in case the Super Bowl starts early.

skyeagle409 · 9th February 2017, 11:26 PM

Originally Posted by MicahJava

I vaguely remember somebody theorizing that some kind of ultra-thin nanotubes were shot out of the sky into the Twin Towers. Saw it somewhere on reddit.com/r/conspiracy, can't find the original post.

I can remember joking about government-engineered metal-eating termites as responsible for the destruction at WTC ground zero and amazingly, I had to convince a Truther that I was just joking.

skyeagle409 · 9th February 2017, 11:29 PM

Originally Posted by MicahJava

You know, I never actually said I believe in CD. I just find it a distinct possibility, and I think the WTC disaster totally deserves investigation into inside job.

Why waste time and money when countries around the world had warned the United States that Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda would use airliners to carry out the attack?

Why waste time and money when there is absolutely no evidence that supports an inside job?

Jack by the hedge · 10th February 2017, 04:56 AM

Originally Posted by Loss Leader

A video of a WTC fuse box on September 10, 2001. That's like finding a portrait of George Washington getting ready to sit for his portrait.

It's like taping the entire three hour pre-game show just in case the Super Bowl starts early.

Not even a WTC fusebox.

http://www.irinfo.org/09-11-2001-ciemiengo/

Fuseboxes and switches in "a building situated on the corner of Church Street and Barclay Avenue – about a block north and across the street from the twin towers of the World Trade Center" according to the woman who shot the video. She just happened to be working there, taking IR images of electrical installations to reveal any poor connections or overloads, and she used the same camera to record the unfolding disaster she witnessed. So far, so explicable.

But then you drop it down the toilet that is YouTube comments and her video suddenly becomes footage confiscated from Mossad agents and reveals that the WTC buildings had a supply of electricity (who knew?) and electricity could be used to trigger thermite. You just follow the dots and it leads you to the inevitable conclusion: The world has no shortage of staggeringly stupid people.

tinribmancer · 10th February 2017, 06:29 AM

Originally Posted by skyeagle409

As to what caused the destruction at WTC ground zero from the conspiracy theorist folks, we have had thermite, nano-thermite, CD explosives, DEW, nukes, and now, fuse boxes. What's next?

A few bricks that look different from all the rest? I wouldn't be surprised if some nutter came up with something like that, tbh.

Redwood · 10th February 2017, 06:59 PM

Take up a career as a TV screenwriter.

9th February 2017, 04:58 PM	#1
MicahJava Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 1,646	Footage from 9/10/2001 and 9/11/2001 showing WTC fuze boxes and thermal imaging? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5udh...ature=youtu.be Can't find an exact source for this video. Is this from a FOIA? The video appears to show fuse boxes from the WTC on September 10, 2001, followed by random footage of the burning Towers with a thermal imaging setting on the camera. What is the origin of this footage? There are seemingly dubious rumors in the comment section that this video was taken from an Israeli Mossad camcorder.

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Spindrift Time Person of the Year, 2006 Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Right here! Posts: 18,173	You said it yourself, "dubious rumors". Until there is real provenance, it's best to just ignore it and not go chasing wild geese. Especially something that could be easily faked like that video.
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9th February 2017, 05:32 PM	#4
Winterfrost Scholar Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 120	Originally Posted by MicahJava The video appears to show fuse boxes from the WTC on September 10, 2001 How are you identifying the footage of fuse boxes as having been taken in the WTC?
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9th February 2017, 06:05 PM	#5
DGM Skeptic not Atheist Join Date: May 2007 Location: West of Northshore MA Posts: 24,150	Originally Posted by Winterfrost How are you identifying the footage of fuse boxes as having been taken in the WTC? It was PROVEN by YouTube. What else would he need?
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Delphic Oracle Graduate Poster Join Date: Sep 2016 Posts: 1,306	Never underestimate the power of a descriptive caption. Note that visible light images are handheld (organic movement). The 'FLIR' footage is static, meaning either locked down on a mount or perhaps not video at all, but merely a (doctored) photo with an animated graphic overlay. I notice, also, that the first few frames of each visible light recording is greyscale which rapidly transitions to full color. Like someone didn't quite get the timing right on the key frames for an after-effects filter. As for the supposedly thermal imaging of the burning towers. Even if genuine, why is this significant? Yeah, it's hot on the floors where massive jet fuel fed fires are burning. And?
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9th February 2017, 06:44 PM	#8
Whip Muse Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 570	Originally Posted by Loss Leader Someone took video of a fusebox at the WTC on September 10, 2001? That is just ... lol. exactly.
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9th February 2017, 08:46 PM	#9
MicahJava Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 1,646	Originally Posted by Winterfrost How are you identifying the footage of fuse boxes as having been taken in the WTC? Oh right. There is no evidence unless someone could maybe identify the exact kind of equipment shown in the video. Does anybody know if this is from a NIST FOIA?

9th February 2017, 08:48 PM	#10
jaydeehess Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: 40 miles north of the border Posts: 20,776	Originally Posted by MicahJava The video appears to show fuse boxes from the WTC on September 10, 2001, What is it that indicates these fuse boxes are in the WTC complex? Quote: followed by random footage of the burning Towers with a thermal imaging setting on the camera. What is the origin of this footage? There are seemingly dubious rumors in the comment section that this video was taken from an Israeli Mossad camcorder. Sounds like pure speculation, unless there is something that links these things.

9th February 2017, 08:53 PM	#11
MicahJava Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 1,646	Found the original source. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ld8rvA2OV8E Release 27, 42A0189 - G26D48. 911conspiracy.tv says (see also release 14 with better audio) The footage was taken by Carol Ciemiengo. Hardly sounds like Israeli Mossad.
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9th February 2017, 08:59 PM	#12
MicahJava Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 1,646	Carol Ciemiengo, thermographer, actually wrote an article about her experience. On September 10th she was indeed hired to do some work in Lower Manhattan (she didn't say specifically the WTC). She wrote an article about it: September 11, 2001: A Thermographer’s Experience at Ground Zero

9th February 2017, 09:19 PM	#13
skyeagle409 Master Poster Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 2,155	Originally Posted by MicahJava https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5udh...ature=youtu.be Can't find an exact source for this video. Is this from a FOIA? The video appears to show fuse boxes from the WTC on September 10, 2001, followed by random footage of the burning Towers with a thermal imaging setting on the camera. What is the origin of this footage? There are seemingly dubious rumors in the comment section that this video was taken from an Israeli Mossad camcorder. As to what caused the destruction at WTC ground zero from the conspiracy theorist folks, we have had thermite, nano-thermite, CD explosives, DEW, nukes, and now, fuse boxes. What's next?

9th February 2017, 09:27 PM	#14
Delphic Oracle Graduate Poster Join Date: Sep 2016 Posts: 1,306	Why would someone wire up all the explosives to a limited number of circuits? Why would those circuits/fuses show massive current levels (evidenced by heat) going through them the day before they were supposedly activated? I propose this is evidence of, yet again, people manufacturing evidence when they don't understand How Things Work.

9th February 2017, 09:41 PM	#15
pgimeno Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Spain Posts: 3,207	There's a discussion of this infrared camera in NCSTAR 1-5A p.140 (PDF Ch1-8 p.236) and a few more, e.g. there's an image that looks from that video in p.164 (PDF p.260). ETA: I doubt that the fuses are from the WTC. NIST say the person was working on a nearby building.
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beachnut Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Dog House Posts: 24,739	Originally Posted by MicahJava Carol Ciemiengo, thermographer, actually wrote an article about her experience. On September 10th she was indeed hired to do some work in Lower Manhattan (she didn't say specifically the WTC). She wrote an article about it: September 11, 2001: A Thermographer’s Experience at Ground Zero Wow, research, and you still have the inside job fantasy, thermite, CD, and woo. oh my
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9th February 2017, 10:21 PM	#17
MicahJava Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 1,646	Originally Posted by DGM It was PROVEN by YouTube. What else would he need? I found this posted to Reddit.com/r/conspiracy with a few upvotes, there were a couple of comments (which literally cited another Youtube comment) claiming that this footage was actually confiscated from Israeli Mossad agents. Just one of many myths that clutters up the legitimate questions.

9th February 2017, 10:27 PM	#18
MicahJava Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 1,646	Originally Posted by skyeagle409 As to what caused the destruction at WTC ground zero from the conspiracy theorist folks, we have had thermite, nano-thermite, CD explosives, DEW, nukes, and now, fuse boxes. What's next? I vaguely remember somebody theorizing that some kind of ultra-thin nanotubes were shot out of the sky into the Twin Towers. Saw it somewhere on reddit.com/r/conspiracy, can't find the original post.

9th February 2017, 10:29 PM	#19
MicahJava Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 1,646	Originally Posted by beachnut Wow, research, and you still have the inside job fantasy, thermite, CD, and woo. oh my You know, I never actually said I believe in CD. I just find it a distinct possibility, and I think the WTC disaster totally deserves investigation into inside job. A lot of conspiracy-related issues could have more light shed on them if a good amount of experts gave it a second look. Like the x-rays and skull photographs of JFK.
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beachnut Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Dog House Posts: 24,739	Originally Posted by MicahJava You know, I never actually said I believe in CD. I just find it a distinct possibility, and I think the WTC disaster totally deserves investigation into inside job. A lot of conspiracy-related issues could have more light shed on them if more experts gave it a second look. Like the x-rays and skull photographs of JFK. There was no inside job, and no CD, and your questions are BS because you fail to use evidence. CD is a lie, not a possibility. There was no inside job, only evidence for 19 failed nuts associated with UBL. You can't figure out 9/11 after 15 years; how is the inside job going?
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9th February 2017, 10:41 PM	#21
Loss Leader Would Be Ringing (if a bell) Moderator Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: New York Posts: 22,934	A video of a WTC fuse box on September 10, 2001. That's like finding a portrait of George Washington getting ready to sit for his portrait. It's like taping the entire three hour pre-game show just in case the Super Bowl starts early.
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9th February 2017, 11:26 PM	#22
skyeagle409 Master Poster Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 2,155	Originally Posted by MicahJava I vaguely remember somebody theorizing that some kind of ultra-thin nanotubes were shot out of the sky into the Twin Towers. Saw it somewhere on reddit.com/r/conspiracy, can't find the original post. I can remember joking about government-engineered metal-eating termites as responsible for the destruction at WTC ground zero and amazingly, I had to convince a Truther that I was just joking.

9th February 2017, 11:29 PM	#23
skyeagle409 Master Poster Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 2,155	Originally Posted by MicahJava You know, I never actually said I believe in CD. I just find it a distinct possibility, and I think the WTC disaster totally deserves investigation into inside job. Why waste time and money when countries around the world had warned the United States that Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda would use airliners to carry out the attack? Why waste time and money when there is absolutely no evidence that supports an inside job?

10th February 2017, 04:56 AM	#24
Jack by the hedge Safely Ignored Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 8,409	Originally Posted by Loss Leader A video of a WTC fuse box on September 10, 2001. That's like finding a portrait of George Washington getting ready to sit for his portrait. It's like taping the entire three hour pre-game show just in case the Super Bowl starts early. Not even a WTC fusebox. http://www.irinfo.org/09-11-2001-ciemiengo/ Fuseboxes and switches in "a building situated on the corner of Church Street and Barclay Avenue – about a block north and across the street from the twin towers of the World Trade Center" according to the woman who shot the video. She just happened to be working there, taking IR images of electrical installations to reveal any poor connections or overloads, and she used the same camera to record the unfolding disaster she witnessed. So far, so explicable. But then you drop it down the toilet that is YouTube comments and her video suddenly becomes footage confiscated from Mossad agents and reveals that the WTC buildings had a supply of electricity (who knew?) and electricity could be used to trigger thermite. You just follow the dots and it leads you to the inevitable conclusion: The world has no shortage of staggeringly stupid people.

10th February 2017, 06:29 AM	#25
tinribmancer NWO Templar Agent And Proud Of It! Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Belgium Posts: 1,339	Originally Posted by skyeagle409 As to what caused the destruction at WTC ground zero from the conspiracy theorist folks, we have had thermite, nano-thermite, CD explosives, DEW, nukes, and now, fuse boxes. What's next? A few bricks that look different from all the rest? I wouldn't be surprised if some nutter came up with something like that, tbh.
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