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Old 27th May 2007, 03:31 AM   #81
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Ha Ha...Thanks Gravy, these links are priceless.
Lucky it's a bank holiday and I've got plenty of time on my hands.
Keep up the good work.
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Old 30th May 2007, 01:20 PM   #82
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Glad to see debunking sites that have been given a 'Sticky' at the top of the page. Maybe the theorists will take a look at the sites before bringing some of the more rehashed conspiracy theories to this part of the forum.
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Old 2nd June 2007, 12:49 AM   #83
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Gravy have you ever seen this interesting elevator layout. From my understanding however it is an early design. Not the finalized version.

http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o...-page146rb.png
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Yes, it's a good overview but it doesn't offer anything new over the more detailed elevations recently released.
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Old 5th June 2007, 12:43 PM   #85
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Does this help. Here's another good video of WTC7. Some of this is footage is repeat, but there is also some new stuff mixed in here also.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...43352916&hl=en

Then combine with this. And its gets very interesting.
http://wtc.nist.gov/media/Scheuerman...entDec2006.pdf

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Old 26th June 2007, 01:03 PM   #86
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there is connection between the

there is connection between the-organize -black September-terror group from the 70-80(plo)-and the killing of 11 athlete-on the Munich Olympic game???

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Old 26th June 2007, 05:16 PM   #87
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Originally Posted by cohen avshalom View Post
there is connection between the-organize -black September-terror group from the 70-80(plo)-and the killing of 11 athlete-on the Munich Olympic game???

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Err... hasn't it been established for decades that the '72 Munich massacre was carried out by the Palestinian group Black September? I don't think it was ever in dispute. What's this have to do with 9/11?
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Old 26th June 2007, 05:44 PM   #88
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Originally Posted by Slayhamlet View Post
Err... hasn't it been established for decades that the '72 Munich massacre was carried out by the Palestinian group Black September? I don't think it was ever in dispute. What's this have to do with 9/11?
He underlined it for you. Don't you see? Don't you SEE???


(He's a numerology guy, apparently)
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Old 26th June 2007, 06:05 PM   #89
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Originally Posted by chipmunk stew View Post
He underlined it for you. Don't you see? Don't you SEE???


(He's a numerology guy, apparently)
Yes, now I can SEE it clearly! How could I not SEE it before??? 9/11 INSIDE JOB LOL!!


Oh, good grief...
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this is not lol

this is not lol-because ben laden-using point from the history in his action-i am very sure that he will work from algiria-north africa-and make the next step of him-in french and itealy-in the same time.-more accuracy (south french+and north itealy-what will be the date-see the day french was retreat of algiria(60 th)
sorry a bout my english.


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Old 29th June 2007, 02:33 PM   #91
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Gravy- I see you included Frank Greening and Zdenek Bazant and others' paper called "Collapse of World Trade Center Towers: What Did and Did Not Cause It".

However the link doesn't work anymore. I fear I may have caused this as I submitted it on digg and it got to the front page. I would guess it started using up too much bandwidth and NWU took it down. Do you know of any other links or know when the next draft will be out?
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Old 30th June 2007, 10:36 AM   #92
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Very nice Gravy.

-A conspiracy theorist that tries to poke holes in what happened on 9/11 is like a creationist that tries to poke holes in evolution.
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Old 10th July 2007, 11:09 PM   #93
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Originally Posted by Kent1 View Post
When Bermas is talking to Abby Scott he also talks about something else.
He mentions bomb claims and a huge explosion in WTC7 on the 8th floor.
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It's impossible to watch that video and not get the sense you're seeing severe mental illness at work. At least among the leaders, anyway. The "troops", as it were, are another story. Not the sharpest tools in the shed, but tools nonetheless.

That Bermas cretin, though...what a despicable piece of trash. I feel sorry for his parents.
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Originally Posted by Viper Daimao View Post
Gravy- I see you included Frank Greening and Zdenek Bazant and others' paper called "Collapse of World Trade Center Towers: What Did and Did Not Cause It".

However the link doesn't work anymore. I fear I may have caused this as I submitted it on digg and it got to the front page. I would guess it started using up too much bandwidth and NWU took it down. Do you know of any other links or know when the next draft will be out?
Sorry, I just noticed this. Thanks for pointing it out. Here's the working link: http://www.civil.northwestern.edu/pe...%206-22-07.pdf
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Old 11th July 2007, 09:51 PM   #95
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Gravy,

Add this excellent link to your logic and critical thinking section.

Propaganda and Debating Techniques: http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-propaganda.html
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Oooh cool, another interesting link to e-mail home to myself for later reading.

You guys sure keep me busy. Thanks!
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Do you have arguments for and against Jeff King's "analysis"?
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Do you have arguments for and against Jeff King's "analysis"?
Is this the analysis by "Jeff King, MIT Engineer" (who, uh, graduated with a degree in electrical engineering, went to medical school, and has been a small-town family doctor since the 1970's)?
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Yep.
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Add this excellent link to your logic and critical thinking section.

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Done. Thanks!

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Do you have arguments for and against Jeff King's "analysis"?
I haven't read his stuff. I heard a radio interview in which he posited WTC destruction via directed energy weapons, and tuned him out after that. I don't think I've seen his name mentioned in the past year, so his influence seems to have evaporated like so much structural steel.
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It was brought up on another board; his claims that there was not enough potential energy to "pulverize" concrete into dust.

I wanted to read up on the pros (if any) and cons of his argument, but I normally just run into truther sites. I wanted to see see a critical analysis of his claims.

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That argument usually has two aspects, which were popularized by Jim Hoffman:

1. The claim that a very high percentage of tower concrete was pulverized into very fine powder.

2. The claim that the towers contained insufficient GPE to do that work.

The most thorough refutation of this argument that I know of is Frank Greening's (Apollo 20 here): http://www.911myths.com/WTCONC1.pdf
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Max thanks Gravy for his 9/11 links

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Gravy,

Your collection of links in your first post is awesome.

It is obviously from the heart, and I respect that.

(It is also hella-useful!)

Thanks,

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Ta - appreciate the link.
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I haven't read his stuff. I heard a radio interview in which he posited WTC destruction via directed energy weapons, and tuned him out after that. I don't think I've seen his name mentioned in the past year, so his influence seems to have evaporated like so much structural steel.
Jeff King's site is http://home.comcast.net/~jeffrey.kin...ome.html-.html . Nothing revolutionary, but worth a look just to familiarise yourself with what he believes (and most of his arguments are very familiar, anyway).
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Since this is my first day here I expect to get my requisite jref beating. I'll take it like a man. I do have questions about the official story. I don't know if that makes me a twoofer, crazy, a commie, or what, but I've studied the official explanations, as well as alternative explanations.

I'll apologize in advance for asking all of the questions asked a thousand times on here.
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Is there any footage of a piece of the airplane hitting wtc7? I think someone mentioned that something from one of the airplanes hit it, thats why it came on fire. I just find it odd that I heard about the 2 world trade center buildings being hit but never heard about the third. Although I was in highschool the day it happened.
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Is there any footage of a piece of the airplane hitting wtc7? I think someone mentioned that something from one of the airplanes hit it, thats why it came on fire. I just find it odd that I heard about the 2 world trade center buildings being hit but never heard about the third. Although I was in highschool the day it happened.
WTC 7 was hit by falling debris from the collapsing towers, not any aircraft. It wasn't on fire until the building debris damaged the structure.
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Is there any footage showing this or some sources on the 9/11 that talk about this?

I'm kind of curious how a fire can transfer from building to building like that.
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Although some flaming debris certainly did head towards WTC 7, both from the aircraft impacts and the collapses, the assumption is that the fires started because of the massive damage done to WTC 7 by the collapses. A fire alarm went off in WTC 7 at 10:00, just after the collapse of the south tower. Most of the damage to WTC 7 was done by the north tower.

You'll see a link to my site about WTC 7, with photos and links to videos, at the site linked in my signature – which is what this thread is about.
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Yeah you have a lot of data and sites, which is good, but for someone like me who just has specific questions and things I'm looking for its really hard to find stuff.

Also a little off subject, but I saw a map and apparently WTC6 was inbetween WTC7 and 1. I know 6 was a lot shorter than 1 and 7 but did it get damaged or destroyed at all?
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Yeah you have a lot of data and sites, which is good, but for someone like me who just has specific questions and things I'm looking for its really hard to find stuff.

Also a little off subject, but I saw a map and apparently WTC6 was inbetween WTC7 and 1. I know 6 was a lot shorter than 1 and 7 but did it get damaged or destroyed at all?
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It did not suffer total collapse, but the damage was so extensive that it had to be torn down completely.
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Thanks.

Wow thats pretty much how I thought it would look. I'm guessing if something steel was hot enough or some kind of building material was on fire and fell through one of the windows and caught some paperwork or whatever on fire it would cause that.
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Anybody notice those round death ray beam marks on that building?
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Yeah it looks like a satellite shot right through the building. It probably has nothing do do with millions of pounds falling down on it.
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Hey guys! This is my first time here. I've been using YouTube alot and debating with moronic 9/11 Truthers and conspiracy theorist. I go by the screen name "WhyAskQuestions". Of course there's some here that know me and I know them.

Mark does a fantastic job at debunking the conspiracists claims. Great Job there Mark (Gravy). I've seen his debunking videos and they're hilarious and comical. I can't contain myself from laughing at the conspiracists.

Here's a quote that I kind of made:

"Arguing with a 9/11 Truther or Conspiracy Theorist is like running in the Special Olympics. Even if they win, they're still retarded."
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Why's the WTC building 7 falling straight down, rather than toppling over, when it was damaged only on one side?

Why did the fires in WTC building 7 start? Was there a fire in building 6, which was, unlike 7, really crushed by the debris?

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Dabljuh, do yourself a favor and please open your eyes, research the pictures and the evidence.

Asking a bunch of questions over and over again about WTC7 isn't getting you conspiracists any where.

"Arguing with a 9/11 Truther or Conspiracy Theorist is like running in the Special Olympics. Even if they win, they're still retarded."
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Dabljuh, do yourself a favor and please open your eyes, research the pictures and the evidence.

Asking a bunch of questions over and over again about WTC7 isn't getting you conspiracists any where.

"Arguing with a 9/11 Truther or Conspiracy Theorist is like running in the Special Olympics. Even if they win, they're still retarded."
I note a distinct absence of argument in your post, instead, I get childish insults. If you don't know the answers to my questions, you don't have to give a pointless response just so you can hear yourself talking. That's just... babbling.
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