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5th October 2018, 04:35 AM | #4281 |
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5th October 2018, 04:40 AM | #4282 |
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Nope, because that was NOT Whipple's model, as I have told you dozens of times already. To quote Whipple himself from the abstract of his paper:
Whipple, 1950, A COMET MODEL. I. THE ACCELERATION OF COMET ENCKE, Astrophysical Journal 111, 375.
Originally Posted by Whipple 1950
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5th October 2018, 04:41 AM | #4283 |
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5th October 2018, 04:46 AM | #4284 |
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I'll use this post of yours, Sol88, but many others would do.
You've been banging on like this for what, several years now? And almost every time you do, you get pushback, almost always questioning the veracity of your claims, sometimes even calling you out for mis-quoting. Many ISF members respond, many include science-based explanations of why you're off in a world of your own. In all that time, and with all those posts, it seems you have convinced precisely no one else of the scientific validity of the ELECTRIC COMET model (or theory)! Do you, at least sometimes, wonder why this is? How come you are so spectacularly unsuccessful? Are you concerned, even a little bit, about being perceived as a spamming troll? |
5th October 2018, 08:17 AM | #4285 |
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I see that Sol88 still has no evidence, just the same old recycled myths and fairy tales.
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5th October 2018, 10:22 AM | #4286 |
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“No rock. Any charge separation is limited. The electric field is pointing in the wrong direction. Currents are doing nothing.” Jonesdave116. “The 'electric comet' is physically IMPOSSIBLE to model using mainstream science! PERIOD! True story! End of story!” Indagator |
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5th October 2018, 10:27 AM | #4287 |
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Evidence?
Or common sense? If Whipple’s dirtysnowball model of comet nuclei has mostly ice with some dust and when one of the big players in the cometary community said OUR understanding is evolving toward MOSTLY ROCK... One wonders if there maybe be evidence? Eyeball mkI was pretty accurate. |
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5th October 2018, 10:29 AM | #4288 |
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“No rock. Any charge separation is limited. The electric field is pointing in the wrong direction. Currents are doing nothing.” Jonesdave116. “The 'electric comet' is physically IMPOSSIBLE to model using mainstream science! PERIOD! True story! End of story!” Indagator |
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5th October 2018, 10:37 AM | #4289 |
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Ha ha, another spinner( ‘carn spinner)! That’s the ‘deep fried ice cream” version of Whipple’s model tusenfem, fair dinkum champ!
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Is Whipple’s model in need of another revision, tusenfem? So don’t you start confabulation as well sport! I understand whipple model plenty well, enough to agree it’s wrong! |
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5th October 2018, 04:14 PM | #4290 |
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Ooh ooh ooh, I predict DOUBLE LAYERS will be “discovered” by the ‘surprised” mainstream to be an important plasma procces in operation at comets.
See how we go ay? October 2018 |
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5th October 2018, 08:37 PM | #4291 |
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6th October 2018, 12:45 AM | #4292 |
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6th October 2018, 12:49 AM | #4293 |
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Well, the data has been in for two years, and is publicly available. Get to it. |
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6th October 2018, 01:17 AM | #4294 |
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He was right, the loons Thornhill & Talbott were wrong. Despite having access to an extra 56 years worth of data that Whipple didn't have. What does that tell you about the scientific credentials of the aforementioned woo merchants? |
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6th October 2018, 01:45 AM | #4295 |
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That is all from Episode 1. More to come. https://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/201...ary-phenomena/ |
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6th October 2018, 02:43 AM | #4296 |
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Episode 2
https://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/201...ary-phenomena/ In this episode Dr, Anariba ventures into the world of plasma physics. He misunderstands the paper he is referencing, namely; Suprathermal electron environment of comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko: Observations from the Rosetta Ion and Electron Sensor. Clark, G. et al. https://www.aanda.org/articles/aa/pd...aa26351-15.pdf His whole response to this paper? Zero calculations, nor equations. Just, "From an electrical perspective, electron acceleration is due to the point charged sitting on an electric field, which is an indication of the presence of a voltage differential." Yep, very helpful. In addition, this has been looked at further, in a later paper; Suprathermal electrons near the nucleus of comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko at 3 AU: Model comparisons with Rosetta data Madanian, H. et al. https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley....2/2016JA022610 |
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6th October 2018, 03:14 AM | #4297 |
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Episode 3
In this episode, Anariba looks at the following paper; Solar wind sputtering of dust on the surface of 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko Wurz, P. et al. https://www.aanda.org/component/arti...6361/201525980 He gets off on completely the wrong foot, by saying;
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6th October 2018, 05:24 AM | #4298 |
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Episode 4
Here, the intrepid Doctor turns his questionable abilities to this paper; Negatively charged nano-grains at 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko Gombosi, T. I. et al. https://www.aanda.org/articles/aa/pd...aa26316-15.pdf He states;
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He then gets back to more misunderstanding, and suggesting a voltage difference for the observations. Again, this is contra-indicated by the authors, as they say;
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6th October 2018, 06:11 AM | #4299 |
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Episode 5
And in this episode, the dopey doctor applies his complete lack of cometary knowledge to the following paper; Abundant molecular oxygen in the coma of comet 67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko Bieler, A. et al. https://hal.archives-ouvertes.fr/hal..._letter_v4.pdf Yet again he is back to his voltage differential nonsense to explain the observations. And adds;
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WATER VAPOUR AND CARBON DIOXIDE IR EMISSIONS IN 67P/CG COMA: FIRST DETECTION BY ROSETTA/VIRTIS-M Capaccioni, F. et al. https://www.hou.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2015/pdf/2494.pdf H2O and O2 absorption in the coma of comet 67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko measured by the Alice far-ultraviolet spectrograph on Rosetta Keeney, B. A. et al. https://academic.oup.com/mnras/artic...2/S158/3865158 Not to mention Philae detecting it at the surface. Summary of Dr. Anariba's proposals; He hasn't got a bloody clue. |
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6th October 2018, 06:21 AM | #4300 |
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Some further things to note regarding Dr. Anariba's thoughts;
He is not advocating the EC model as proposed by Thornhill & Talbott. As he says;
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6th October 2018, 07:31 AM | #4301 |
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Ah yes, I'd forgotten the staggering, whole-hearted acceptance of a particularly simple logical fallacy (false dichotomy).
Try this: "this animal is not a dog, therefore it is a cat!" And that's not counting the strawman line of logic. Of course, none of this is new; both logical errors have been pointed out, many times, over a period of several years. So, spam-trolling it is then? |
6th October 2018, 07:36 AM | #4302 |
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Another key component: full-throated acceptance of the false dichotomy logical fallacy; anything which Sol88 thinks is inconsistent with the "Whipple dirty snowball model" is automatically proof of the ELECTRIC COMET model ... never mind that any such data may also be inconsistent with the ELECTRIC COMET model ...
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6th October 2018, 09:45 AM | #4303 |
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Sol88,
First, it's Little 10 Toes. Not ten toes. Second, it appears you may have problems processing requests and producing answers. I asked You replied You request that I ask a dead person about what you believe. Let that sink in for a bit. Instead of answering a simple question directed to you, you deflect it to someone who is dead, who probably didn't know and/or care about who you are or what you do, and avoid answering the question. I asked a second question. You replied
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7th October 2018, 01:31 PM | #4305 |
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An obvious "I was right" lie emphasizes his electric comet insanity
10 October 2018: An obvious "I was right again" lie emphasizes his electric comet insanity
He has been consistently wrong about comets fro 9 years now. tusenfem's post is that there is no field aligned potential drops in Harri Laakso paper and that Laakso has doubts about the reported potential drops. The real insanity is that we have known about potential drops around comets for decades and this has been stated in the thread before. Electric comets still do not exist |
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10th October 2018, 10:56 AM | #4307 |
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YES i do ltt!!!
Mainstreams understanding of the nucleus is evolving along with... How the seeds of planets take shape Now, where do comets come from, reality check? Dusty Plasma! |
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10th October 2018, 12:18 PM | #4308 |
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Complete nonsense. No rock. Anywhere. Not detected. Would have been. Game over. Goodnight.
p.s. Data doesn't evolve. It is what it is. All those measurements and observations since the impact at Tempel 1, 13 years ago, in conjunction with the results from CONSERT, MIRO, MUPUS, CASSE/ SESAME and others, totally rule out rock. Show us the observation of rock. Scientifically. |
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10th October 2018, 12:58 PM | #4309 |
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10th October 2018, 01:03 PM | #4310 |
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An insane lie that planets are comets or vice versa
Yes he does do it - writes:
11 October 2018: An insane lie that planets are comets or vice versa! This is a planet. This is a comet. They are not the same. Made more insane because his deluded Thunderbolts cult denies that planets are formed via the nebula hypothesis which the new research is about ! How the seeds of planets take shape is real, rational, evidence-based science. An ongoing area of research in the nebula hypothesis is the role of dust in the formation of planets from the gas and dust in the collapsing nebula. Specifically how dust clumps from in magnetized gas. |
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An insanely stupid question to derail from his electric comet insanity
11 October 2018: An insanely stupid question and lie to derail from his electric comet insanity
He has been told for the last 9 years where comets come from and gives the answer: How did comets form?. He then lies about that answer being dusty plasma when the link states "gas and dust". For others: This looks like parroting of one of the delusions of the Thunderbolts cult. They think that because 99% of the visible matter in the universe is plasma then all gas must be plasma. Thus his delusion that "gas and dust" must be dusty plasma. They cannot understand that the 99% is mostly stars! The molecular clouds that collapse to form stellar systems are part of the 1% of not plasma. Plasma is not a large factor until the star ignites and theinterplanetary medium becomes a plasma. The formation of planets and comets starts when there is little or no plasma. What makes the question insanely stupid is that he and his deluded Thunderbolts cult deny this textbook astronomy. Sol88's electric comet insanity: Sol88's comet delusions include comets are rocks; these rocks were blasted from the Earth including recently; blasting was by electrical discharges between Earth and Venus; an imaginary solar electric field charges up comets; the charge causes never detected electrical discharges; comet jets are electrical discharges; images show that comets are rocks; Birkeland currents in comets and their tails with no appropriate magnetic field; papers using bedrock to describe layers of ices support his comet are rock delusion, imaginary double layers do magic; many years of lying that ices have not been detected on comets, a "hard shell of refractory +material on the outside" lie, insanity of consolidated ices and dust in papers being rock, an insane spate of lies about ices and dust papers. Totally inane delusions about charge separation doing magic. Stupidly thinks that a ambipolar electric field is a double layer. Insanity of dust removal from the surface changing measured comet density Electrical discharge machining insanity |
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Plasma environment of an intermediately active comet Evolution and dynamics observed by ESA's Rosetta spacecraft at 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko
ELIAS ODELSTAD Read it yet champ? Magnetised Gas??? Where would one learn more about this magnetised Gas, tusenfem? Maybe you and me ‘ol mate rc should spend some time together? You can take turns with the pineapple. |
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