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Old 12th November 2017, 08:04 PM   #482
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Nope. All these things either have been seen, or are very likely to occur, given what we know about the comet. What will not occur are electric discharges, that would be obvious to a number of instruments. What will also not occur, is instantaneous outbursts due to electrostatic levitation of dust particles of many microns in size.
So, let's hear the Sol88 version of events, backed up by scientific evidence. Not forgetting the following, which you have conveniently skipped over:
My bold, Ok then.

Follow tusenfems advice, as you did, @philea_mupus

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#SWT48 Güttler: At highest MIDAS resolution of 1mu can we see already a solid particle or is it still an aggregate
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Replying to @Philae_MUPUS
What we used to know, or thought we now , needs to be revised- title for a Rosetta conference right there
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#SWT48 @mggtTaylor : What do we actually know? After this day I'm not sure anymore.
What does that mean Tusenfem?

Maybe we don’t know what we don’t know about 67P or comets in general?
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Thumbs down Sol88: Thinks not knowing 100% about comets so his delusions are right

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My bold, Ok then.
13 November 2017 Sol88: Looks like the insanity that we do not know 100% about comets so his delusions about comets are correct.
What we know about comets makes your Thunderbolts cult ideas into ignorant and deluded lies.
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Thumbs down Sol88: An obviously irrelevant question to detail from your delusions about comets

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What does that mean Tusenfem?
It means:
13 November 2017 Sol88: You have written an obviously irrelevant question to detail from your delusions about comets.

The topic looks like:
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#SWT48 Güttler: At highest MIDAS resolution of 1mu can we see already a solid particle or is it still an aggregate
This is not your delusion about "67P or comets in general".

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Old 13th November 2017, 03:30 AM   #485
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Meantime...over at the ELECTRIC COMET...
... silence as usual
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Old 13th November 2017, 06:27 AM   #486
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?

you just follow real science????

Like this

@Tusenfem,

1. Is the plasma environment around comet 67P dynamic or static?
2. does this plasma environment include complex plasma's?
3. Does the plasma environment include dynmaic flux tubes and electric fields on varying scales?

See that's how you do it JD116, as the experts. Just you see what Tusenfem says.
Sorry, what did EU predict about the plasma environment at comets? Please point me to this work. All I've seen is a bunch of unscientific woo about electric discharge machining (lol) creating O- which then combines with solar wind H+ to form OH. Which dumb scientists mistake for H2O. Which part of that turned out to be right?
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Old 13th November 2017, 06:45 AM   #487
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What does that mean Tusenfem?
That means conference closing banter
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Therefore, in your SIMPLISTIC view, electrostatically charged dust cannot have been responsible for this outburst.
Sorry, did I not reference the Nordheim paper? And then refer back to the grain sizes reported in Agarwal's paper? Which part of that are you not understanding?
By the way, you have yet to proposes a mechanism for this jet. When can we expect to see it?
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Old 13th November 2017, 06:58 AM   #489
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@Tusenfem,

1. Is the plasma environment around comet 67P dynamic or static?
2. does this plasma environment include complex plasma's?
3. Does the plasma environment include dynmaic flux tubes and electric fields on varying scales?
1. As the solar wind is constantly changing (see e.g. my papers) the environment will most likely be dynamic, don't you think?

2. I have no idea what "complex plasmas" (no apostrophe, unless you want to ask about something of the plasma) are. Plasmas are plasmas and they behave according to their "rules" and it is all in the eye of the beholder if you think that is "complex" (as in difficult/complicated) or "complex" (as in having imaginary parts).

3. The environment has everything that a plasma environment in nature has.
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Here is something else for Sol to ponder: does the non-detection of gas by ALICE prove that there was, in fact, no gas emitted?
Sol would have us believe it does. I would contend that it doesn't. I gave my non-expert opinion of why this might be earlier. As a further indication that gas can be present, and that ALICE may fail to see it, I refer the interested reader to:

The 2016 Feb 19 outburst of comet 67P/CG: an ESA Rosetta multi-instrument study
Grün, E. et al
https://academic.oup.com/mnras/artic...1/S220/2633359 (free access)

Section 2.3 of that paper outlines the ALICE observations of the outburst. It concludes with the sentence:

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The same data do not show any significant gas emissions at the time of the outburst.
Section 2.6 of the paper outlines the ROSINA data from the outburst:

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However, at ∼10:00 the gas density rapidly increased to almost 1.5 × 108 cm−3 which is more than 50 per cent higher than the normal fluctuations at a similar nucleus phase.
So, did the ALICE non-detection mean that there was no increase in gas due to this outburst? Well, obviously not, as it was detected by ROSINA.
And that is why Agarwal et al are perfectly justified in using gas driven models in their analysis of the outburst of 3 July. Just because ALICE didn't detect gas, does not mean that it wasn't there. In fact, by any sensible analysis, it HAS to be there.
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Thumbs down Sol88: Sol88: The 5 November 2017 deluded, lying video from his cult

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[b]Meantime...over at the ELECTRIC COMET...
... the usual IGNORANT DELSUSIONS about comets.

14 November 2017 Sol88: The 5 November 2017 deluded, lying video from his cult.
For example on November 2017, your cult gave us "Electric Discharge Clearly Seen on Comet 67P" with the insane claim of an image of "an electrical arc discharging on a comet nucleus". They looked at theRosetta finds comet plume powered from below blog and the spout delusions and lies in 10 minutes of cult idiocy in the video.
  • The stupidity of an image of a jet issuing from a pit!
  • Lies about the dirty snowball hypothesis being falsified.
  • Lies about every comet mission to date refuting the consensus that comets are ices and dust.
  • A lie that comet nuclei are not icy or snowy.
  • The stupid delusion that they are "desiccated" rocky bodies because of ... images
  • A lie that the images are virtually indistinguishable from asteroid images.
  • A lie that coma and tails cannot come from sublimating ices.
  • The stupidity of citing Rosetta finds comet plume powered from below followed by lying about it.
  • Insane delusions that this plume that the Rosetta craft travelled thru is an electrical discharge.
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... the usual IGNORANT DELSUSIONS about comets.

14 November 2017 Sol88: The 5 November 2017 deluded, lying video from his cult.
For example on November 2017, your cult gave us "Electric Discharge Clearly Seen on Comet 67P" with the insane claim of an image of "an electrical arc discharging on a comet nucleus". They looked at theRosetta finds comet plume powered from below blog and the spout delusions and lies in 10 minutes of cult idiocy in the video.
  • The stupidity of an image of a jet issuing from a pit!
  • Lies about the dirty snowball hypothesis being falsified.
  • Lies about every comet mission to date refuting the consensus that comets are ices and dust.
  • A lie that comet nuclei are not icy or snowy.
  • The stupid delusion that they are "desiccated" rocky bodies because of ... images
  • A lie that the images are virtually indistinguishable from asteroid images.
  • A lie that coma and tails cannot come from sublimating ices.
  • The stupidity of citing Rosetta finds comet plume powered from below followed by lying about it.
  • Insane delusions that this plume that the Rosetta craft travelled thru is an electrical discharge.
Fair play to you for sitting through that crap, RC. I couldn't face it. I just FF'd through it to see what particular event they were on about. Having seen it, I knew they were lying. As usual.
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Fair play to you for sitting through that crap, RC.
Full disclosure: That is just the first 3 minutes of so of crap in the video !

I stopped when it was clear this was more of the Thunderbolts cult ignorance and lies about the Rosetta mission.
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Sorry, did I not reference the Nordheim paper? And then refer back to the grain sizes reported in Agarwal's paper? Which part of that are you not understanding?
By the way, you have yet to proposes a mechanism for this jet. When can we expect to see it?
you've been looking at all along...

Even a nincompoop could understand it!

Oh and just so simple. the dust is being accelerated off of the nucleus via the dynamic filamentary electric field/s and then collimated via the motion of charged particles, an ELECTRIC CURRENT from an ELECTRIC COMET

Do you understand JD116? I know it can be quite difficult for you, sorry.

but not that you'd agree, so let's just watch the ensuring "fun" as the mainstream cobble ANOTHER ad hoc to explain their SURPRISE that "dust jets" (no neutral gas here) had to be powered by an energetic event below the surface!!!

Oh BTW the mainstream have already been down this path to find it was a dead end...like the "Dirtysnowball" hypotheses!
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you've been looking at all along...

Even a nincompoop could understand it!

Oh and just so simple. the dust is being accelerated off of the nucleus via the dynamic electric field/s and then collimated via the motion of charged particles, an ELECTRIC CURRENT from an ELECTRIC COMET

Do you understand JD116? I know it can be quite difficult for you, sorry.

but not that you'd agree, so let's just watch the ensuring "fun" as the mainstream cobble ANOTHER ad hoc to explain their SURPRISE that "dust jets" (no neutral gas here) had to be powered by an energetic event below the surface!!!



Oh BTW the mainstream have already been down this path to find it was a dead end...like the "Dirtysnowball" hypotheses!
Whoops. Where is the paper saying that dust grains of many hundred microns can be levitated off of a comet? Did I miss that, dear? Talking out of your posterior again, aren't you, dear? Let's hear it. Just for lols.
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1. As the solar wind is constantly changing (see e.g. my papers) the environment will most likely be dynamic, don't you think?

2. I have no idea what "complex plasmas" (no apostrophe, unless you want to ask about something of the plasma) are. Plasmas are plasmas and they behave according to their "rules" and it is all in the eye of the beholder if you think that is "complex" (as in difficult/complicated) or "complex" (as in having imaginary parts).

3. The environment has everything that a plasma environment in nature has.
Thank you Tusenfem.

We are on the same page!

When can we read your tail excursion paper?
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Whoops. Where is the paper saying that dust grains of many hundred microns can be levitated off of a comet? Did I miss that, dear? Talking out of your posterior again, aren't you, dear? Let's hear it. Just for lols.


don't you believe me?
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Thank you Tusenfem.

We are on the same page!

When can we read your tail excursion paper?
No, you are not on the same page as Tusenfem! He will tell you that your electrical woo didn't happen. Nobody in their right minds believes that it did. It is a non-hypothesis. It is pointless, and can only be believed if one has an IQ below 75. It is dead. Give up.
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don't you believe me?

Sorry, what was your evidence?
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Acceleration of ions and nano dust at a comet in the solar wind
lH.GunellaI.MannbcC.Simon WedlunddE.KalliodM.AlhodH.NilssoneJ.De KeyseraF.DhoogheaR.Maggioloa

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While dust of all sizes is accelerated more or less straight out of the cometary environment in the direction of the electric field as is seen in Fig. 3, the time it takes for this to happen varies with dust grain size. The smallest grains studied here (rd 1⁄4 1 nm) leave the system in about ten minutes, whereas for the largest grains (rd 1⁄4 10 nm) this takes close to 2 h, and for grains larger than that it would take even longer. If the solar wind magnetic field direc- tion changes during the transit of a dust particle it will be deflected and accelerated in a new direction, and dust grains may be found in a larger region of the comet rather than in a distinct beam. As the transit times for small dust are rather short these are the most likely to be in distinct beams, and large dust grains may stay in the comet environment for longer periods being accelerated in different directions following the changes in the solar wind magnetic field.
Do you believe H.Gunella I.Mannbc C.Simon Wedlundd E.Kalliod M.Alhod H.Nilssone J.De Keysera F.Dhooghea R.Maggioloa???

is the dust on the surface charged JD116?

.....now where is those hidden pressurised gas pockets from all that very well hidden DARK ICE!
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Oh and just so simple.
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15 November 2017 Sol88: Lies and delusions about scientific papers in jonesdave116's post.
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Surface charging and electrostatic dust acceleration at the nucleus of comet 67P during periods of low activity
Nordheim, T. A. et al.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...3206331500238X

Evidence of sub-surface energy storage in comet 67P from the outburst of 2016 July 03
Agarwal, J. et al
https://academic.oup.com/mnras/artic...orage-in-comet
15 November 2017 Sol88: A lie of "collimated" dust in the Nordheim paper.

15 November 2017 Sol88: Repeats an lie about electrostatic surface charging of comets causing jets.
He knows that comet coma stop the solar wind from reaching the comet nucleus. There is no electrostatic surface charging except during low activity far from the Sun as in the cited paper. The peak of jet activity is when a comet is close to the Sun with its most protective coma !

15 November 2017 Sol88: The lie and delusion that a single outburst is dust jets.
Evidence of sub-surface energy storage in comet 67P from the outburst of 2016 July 03 by Agarwal, J. et al
https://academic.oup.com/mnras/artic...orage-in-comet

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No, you are not on the same page as Tusenfem! He will tell you that your electrical woo didn't happen. Nobody in their right minds believes that it did. It is a non-hypothesis. It is pointless, and can only be believed if one has an IQ below 75. It is dead. Give up.

No body said anything about electrical woo, i just asked if my understanding of the questions asked where correct! They were.

Next please...
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Acceleration of ions and nano dust at a comet in the solar wind
lH.GunellaI.MannbcC.Simon WedlunddE.KalliodM.AlhodH.NilssoneJ.De KeyseraF.DhoogheaR.Maggioloa



Do you believe H.Gunella I.Mannbc C.Simon Wedlundd E.Kalliod M.Alhod H.Nilssone J.De Keysera F.Dhooghea R.Maggioloa???

is the dust on the surface charged JD116?

.....now where is those hidden pressurised gas pockets from all that very well hidden DARK ICE!

or are the authors in the same book now YV Skorov his model IS wrong, according to Tusenfem, hey maybe theirs as well?

Maybe you are correct JD116 and plasma, electric fields, magnetic fields, charged dust, ion and electrons are all bunkem, ay!
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No body said anything about electrical woo, i just asked if my understanding of the questions asked where correct! They were.

Next please...
So, where are you getting dust grains of umpteen hundred microns lifted off of a comet? Please answer, with references. Otherwise, STF...... GET THE IDEA?
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Really simple:
15 November 2017 Sol88: Lies and delusions about scientific papers in jonesdave116's post.


15 November 2017 Sol88: The lie and delusion that a single outburst is dust jets.
Evidence of sub-surface energy storage in comet 67P from the outburst of 2016 July 03 by Agarwal, J. et al
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Ummm.... have another toke mate!
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So, where are you getting dust grains of umpteen hundred microns lifted off of a comet? Please answer, with references. Otherwise, STF...... GET THE IDEA?
Paper didn't mention an upper size limit that i could find.

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Dust particles smaller than 10 nm in radius are accelerated to speeds over 10 km/s.
accelerated, not release via gas drag!

10km/s ay!
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So, where are you getting dust grains of umpteen hundred microns lifted off of a comet? Please answer, with references. Otherwise, STF...... GET THE IDEA?

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Old 14th November 2017, 06:25 PM   #508
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Thumbs down Sol88: His delusion that we could detect "pressurised gas pockets" on 67P

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....now where is those hidden pressurised gas pockets from all that very well hidden DARK ICE!
15 November 2017 Sol88: His new delusion that we could detect "pressurised gas pockets" inside 67P.

15 November 2017 Sol88: A new delusion of "DARK ICE"

15 November 2017 Sol88: The usual lie about there being no ice on comets.
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Exclamation Sol88: An inane post to avoid addressing his comet lies and delusions

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Ummm.... have another toke mate!
15 November 2017 Sol88: An inane post to avoid addressing his comet lies and delusions.

15 November 2017 Sol88: Lies and delusions about scientific papers in jonesdave116's post.

15 November 2017 Sol88: A lie of "collimated" dust in the Nordheim paper.

15 November 2017 Sol88: Repeats an lie about electrostatic surface charging of comets causing jets.

15 November 2017 Sol88: The lie and delusion that a single outburst is dust jets.
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Thumbs down Sol88: Lies abut yet another paper (Gunella et.at)

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Acceleration of ions and nano dust at a comet in the solar wind
lH.GunellaI.MannbcC.Simon WedlunddE.KalliodM.AlhodH.NilssoneJ.De KeyseraF.DhoogheaR.Maggioloa

is the dust on the surface charged JD116?
15 November 2017 Sol88: Lies abut yet another paper (Gunella et.at)
This is not the surface of any comet.
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A quasi-neutral hybrid simulation of the interaction of the solar wind with the atmosphere of a comet is used together with a test particle simulation of cometary ions and dust to compute trajectories and velocity distribution functions of charged particles, starting outside the diamagnetic cavity at 150 km cometocentric distance.
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Old 14th November 2017, 06:39 PM   #511
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Originally Posted by jonesdave116 View Post
So, where are you getting dust grains of umpteen hundred microns lifted off of a comet? Please answer, with references. Otherwise, STF...... GET THE IDEA?
So what is your prediction for the upper size limit of the dust that can be removed and accelerated by the surface electric fields?

Sorry missed this bit

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Another possibility is the impact of nano dust on very large grains, such as the objects with diameters in the 0.14–0.50 m range observed by the OSIRIS camera onboard Rosetta (Davidsson et al., 2015), leading to sputtering of the material of these objects. Fragmentation and sputtering may in turn create a secondary source of small dust distributed along the path of the primary nano dust.
Half a meter big enough for you JD116?
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15 November 2017 Sol88: Lies abut yet another paper (Gunella et.at)
This is not the surface of any comet.

So no electric fields or charged dust on the surface of a comet then RC?
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Originally Posted by Reality Check View Post
15 November 2017 Sol88: His new delusion that we could detect "pressurised gas pockets" inside 67P.

15 November 2017 Sol88: A new delusion of "DARK ICE"

15 November 2017 Sol88: The usual lie about there being no ice on comets.
I totally agree with you hear RC. I am totally deluded that YOU (RC=mainstream) could detect "pressurised gas pockets" inside 67P. You can't!

oh

and whats the % of surface area covered in "ice" Reality Check?

and I'll make a bold prediction hear, Reality Check has no idea and we will see him spam his way out....AGIAN.
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Thumbs down Sol88: Yet another irrelevant question to derail from his comet delusions

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So what is your prediction for the upper size limit of the dust that can be removed and accelerated by the surface electric fields?
15 November 2017 Sol88: Yet another irrelevant question to derail from his comet delusions.
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Thumbs down Sol88: A lying question to derail from his comet delusions and other lies

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So no electric fields or charged dust on the surface of a comet then RC?
15 November 2017 Sol88: A lying question to derail from his comet delusions and other lies.
The mainstream has electrostatically charged dust on the comet surfaces only far from the Sun
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Paper didn't mention an upper size limit that i could find.
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Then your reading skills are as bad as your cognitive skills. Yes?
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Thumbs down Sol88: Sol88: Insults and stupid irrelevant questions to detail from his comet delus

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am totally deluded that YOU (RC=mainstream) could detect "pressurised gas pockets" inside 67P. You can't!
15 November 2017 Sol88: Insult and stupid irrelevant question to detail from his comet delusions.

We have listed the physical evidence that comets are made of ices and dust again and again and again over the last 8 years. But Sol88 still asks idiotic questions about ices.

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and whats the % of surface area covered in "ice" Reality Check?

and I'll make a bold prediction hear, Reality Check has no idea and we will see him spam his way out....AGIAN.
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Then your reading skills are as bad as your cognitive skills. Yes?

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Another possibility is the impact of nano dust on very large grains, such as the objects with diameters in the 0.14–0.50 m range observed by the OSIRIS camera onboard Rosetta (Davidsson et al., 2015), leading to sputtering of the material of these objects. Fragmentation and sputtering may in turn create a secondary source of small dust distributed along the path of the primary nano dust.
Acceleration of ions and nano dust at a comet in the solar wind

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you asked, you were told!
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Sorry, I must be missing something here. I could have sworn that the idiot Thornhill predicted certain things to happen at this comet. Or was it Talbott? Want me to check? Not gone well, has it? EDM (lol). Wandering discharge arc woo? Lol. Et boring cetera. And here is the last person on the planet that still believes in this crap, trying to still make a case for it! I ask you! Deary me.
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