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14th November 2017, 07:17 PM | #521 |
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??what "we" do believe in is hidden pockets of ice and gas!
Ask Tusenfem, is the "dirty snowball" a valid model still? |
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14th November 2017, 07:22 PM | #523 |
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It is really very sad to see an electric comet woo believer reduced to having to rely upon electrostatic levitation (which will not work with these grain sizes), after all the promises and predictions of a certain David Talbott. Pathetic. N'est-ce pas?
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14th November 2017, 07:41 PM | #525 |
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Let me just leave this here, for the hard of thinking; guess what? Ice was ejected from Tempel 1 by the impact of a copper projectile. Yes? Ice was seen being entrained by CO2 jets at Hartley 2. There are some very pretty photos of such, if one cares to seek them out. Ice has been seen numerous times at 67P. Including subsurface after a landslide.
Bizarrely, some cretins would have you believe that all this ice is make believe, and we must head off into the world of woo to understand what is going on! Errrrr, no. That garbage is long over. They lost. End of story. Bon Soir. |
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Sol88: The repeated lie of "ice"
What it is: 15 November 2017 Sol88: Insult and stupid irrelevant question to detail from his comet delusions.
15 November 2017 Sol88: The repeated lie of "ice" when we have over 60 years of evidence that comets are made of ices and dust. |
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Sol88: Another lie in a question to derail from his comet delusions
Continued "hidden pockets of ice and gas" idiocy followed by
15 November 2017 Sol88: Another lie in a question to derail from his comet delusions. Nothing in the last 60 years has shown that comets are not made of ices and dust. Thus the "dirty snowball" model of comets made of ices and dust is still valid. What has changed is that we have expanded the model to cover a wider range of ices to dust ratios because that is what we have observed. This does not include Sol88 and his cult delusion of no ices at all or comets are rocks (the least of their delusions about comets). |
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15th November 2017, 12:59 AM | #528 |
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Reality Check, please contact Samuel P. D. Birch,1‹ Y. Tang,2 A. G. Hayes,1,2 R. L. Kirk,3 D. Bodewits,4 H. Campins,5 Y. Fernandez,5 R. de Freitas Bart,2 N. W. Kutsop,2 H. Sierks,6
J. M. Soderblom,7 S. W. Squyres1,2 and J-B. Vincent6,8 and tell them they are incorrect.
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15th November 2017, 02:17 AM | #530 |
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May we have a link, please?
Does the plasma around the comet contain dust? Tip What is Complex Plasma?
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Why are we still talking about this nonsense? For most sane people, 2+ years at the comet, with a whole suite of instruments, and nary a sign of any of the electric woo predicted by David Talbott, would be enough to end the discussion of this scientifically impossible woo. I guess it's a demonstration of how strong faith can be in some people.
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And, if I remember correctly, Sol has still yet to give us a mechanism for this outburst. So what are we even discussing?
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Plenty of ice, and too many papers to list. They've all been linked before, anyway. Yet still not the tiniest indication of any electric woo. |
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Cheese Shop.
It's important to keep the thread churning, while people reply there is life in the place and it justifies his position. Standard CT tactic, see any 9/11 or Apollo Hoax thread. |
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What we are discussing is "jets" on a cometary surface and the failure of sublimation to produce ANY of the observed effects on a comet nucleus, in particular this "jet" Rosetta finds comet plume powered from below Acceleration of ions and nano dust at a comet in the solar wind lH.GunellaI.MannbcC.Simon WedlunddE.KalliodM.AlhodH.NilssoneJ.De KeyseraF.DhoogheaR.Maggioloa Keep up champ No "PRESSURISED GAS" needed! |
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Dust charging and transport on airless planetary bodies
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You will note that this is a process that is being invoked for the lunar horizon glow. It is not, nor has it ever been suggested to be, capable of causing an outburst in a very localized area! An area that just happens to resemble a vent, and is icier than its surroundings. Why would it? How would it? That is what you can't explain. And you never will be able to explain it, because nobody would be silly enough to write a paper suggesting such a thing, when we already know that previous outbursts have been caused by gas release.
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Tusenfem may be able to comment on this extract from the paper:
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Sol88: A lie that Birch et. al. are incorrect.
16 November 2017 Sol88: A lie that Birch et. al. are incorrect.
16 November 2017 Sol88: The abysmally deluded idea that "bedrock" means Birch et. al. are saying comets are rock. 16 November 2017 Sol88: Usual idiocy of citing a paper (Birch et. al.) about comets made of ices and dust. Geomorphology of comet 67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko
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Sol88: Yet another lie - over 60 years of data on comets made of ices exists
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Sol88: Stupid post when shown the evidence for ice yet again
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Sol88: The delusion of ""jets" on a cometary surface"- jets exist
16 November 2017 Sol88: The delusion of ""jets" on a cometary surface"- jets exist and are seen above the surface (emitted from on or below the surface).
16 November 2017 Sol88: A lie that the plume or outburst in the ESA blog and paper is a jet. 16 November 2017 Sol88: A lie that sublimation fails to explain the outburst. 16 November 2017 Sol88: A lie that Gunella et.al describe a mechanism for the outburst or even any jets. |
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That’s another one where lots of dust and no gas, JD116! So are we going to go down the same road again? Mainstream are very quickly running out of plausible excuses. |
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Sol88: A lie that Bockelée-Morvan et. al. states there was no gas in the outbursts
Here we go with the same road of multiple lies in a short post!
362 items of ignorance, idiocy (citing irrelevant mainstream papers), delusion and lies dating from 29 August 2016 to 13 November 2017 (maybe hundreds more in the last 8 years!) 16 November 2017 Sol88: A lie that Bockelée-Morvan et. al. states there was no gas in the outbursts. Comet 67P outbursts and quiescent coma at 1.3 AU from the Sun: dust properties from Rosetta/VIRTIS-H observations D. Bockelée-Morvan, G. Rinaldi, S. Erard, C. Leyrat, F. Capaccioni, P. Drossart, G. Filacchione, A. Migliorini, E. Quirico, S. Mottola, G. Tozzi, G. Arnold, N. Biver, M. Combes, J. Crovisier, A. Longobardo, M. Blecka, M.-T. Capria This is analysis of dust properties from Rosetta/VIRTIS-H observations ! The authors explicitly state that comets emit gas to form their coma: "inner coma gases and dust". There is an entire section in the paper on the gaseous counterpart to the dust component.
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16 November 2017 Sol88: Lying highlighting in a quote from Bockelée-Morvan et. al. Him and his cult might be ignorant enough to think that every outburst from every comet has the same cause but other people know that a variety of mechanisms will be responsible for outbursts. Bockelée-Morvan et. al state that one of the mechanisms is not evident in these 2 outbursts, and that another mechanism is likely. 16 November 2017 Sol88: Usual idiocy of citing a paper on comets made of ices and dust. 16 November 2017 Sol88: Extra idiocy of citing a paper stating "Gaseous outbursts with no dust counterparts were also observed (Feldman et al. 2016)"! 16 November 2017 Sol88: Lie about working comet science failing. |
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Some good science as a break from cult comet delusions.
Surface changes on comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko suggest a more active past by Pajola M., et al.
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Sol88: The idiocy of citing a paper not about comet outbursts (Nordheim et. al.)
16 November 2017 Sol88: The idiocy of citing a paper not about comet outbursts (Nordheim et. al.) in reply to a post about comet outbursts.
16 November 2017 Sol88: An implied lie that Nordheim et. al. is the detection of electrostatically ejected dust. 16 November 2017 Sol88: The idiocy of citing a paper on comets made of ices and dust (Nordheim et. al.). 16 November 2017 Sol88: A lie about his cult comet delusions being about electrostatic dust charging. It is working mainstream science that is researching the electrostatic charging of dust by the solar wind and the possibility of cometary dust being ejected from nuclei by this mechanism. Surface charging and electrostatic dust acceleration at the nucleus of comet 67P during periods of low activity ()15 December 2015) was model results about dust being ejected from the surface of 67P.
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Just for a laugh, tell me how the outgassing is happening at perihelion. When there is a shed load of dust around? Remember the diamagnetic cavity, dear? And where was the solar wind? Well, not within 1500 km. Eh? So, what is your mechanism? Let's hear it. |
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Are you saying gas drag can accelerate 10nm dust to 10km/s?
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Sol88: Irrelevant question to detail from his comet delusions
16 November 2017 Sol88: Irrelevant question to detail from his comet delusions.
16 November 2017 Sol88: Lies with a gas drag question that he knows the answer to. Acceleration of ions and nano dust at a comet in the solar wind
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