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19th November 2017, 02:55 PM | #601 |
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Sol88: Lies again about Deca et. al. containing double layers
20 November 2017 Sol88: Lies again about Deca et. al. containing double layers.
Electron and Ion Dynamics of the Solar Wind Interaction with a Weakly Outgassing Comet (paper) (PDF) by Deca et. al. |
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Sol88: A lie about "bloody pages arguing about" ambipolar electric fields
20 November 2017 Sol88: A lie about "bloody pages arguing about" electric fields on comets, including ambipolar electric fields.
There are 15 posts in this thread alone containing the word ambipolar. No one has said they do not exist. What we are saying is that your absolutely ignorant delusions about comets include an imaginary electric field between the Sun and comets. An electric field between electrons and ions in comet coma is not that fantasy. Every time you mention a cometary electric filed you are lying about your comet delusions. |
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But it doesn't even seem to be a comprehensive word search. I see this so often with crank science proponents' citations. Can't they even do a similar search in the target citation for the words or indications that it doesn't support their assertions? I don't even do a word search, often just a quick read of the key points in the reference and the counter indications are obvious.
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20th November 2017, 01:04 AM | #606 |
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Yes, you are completely correct.
This is, for a long time already, not a "electric comet" thread, but a "attack and misinterpret mainstream" thread, in order to find that one small comment (e.g. ambi-polar electric field) to vindicate the EC idea. Indeed, anything electromagnetic will be taken as a confirmation that the EC idea has merit, even though many important aspects, like the creation of OH or H2O in the coma are totally debunked. |
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20th November 2017, 04:08 AM | #608 |
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Well let's back the truck up here ay?
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20th November 2017, 06:09 AM | #611 |
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I am. These are processes that happen within the coma, once the dust has been lofted there by gas. It says nothing about surface effects. As Tusenfem says, you need to explain how a DL would form within a diamagnetic cavity, and how it would then loft dust into the coma. Explosively. From a very localised area. Not happening.
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Correct on both counts. According to the EC prognostications the comet carries a substantial charge that results in catastrophic discharges that will EDM the surface. That ain't no ambi-polar electric field but just a direct potential difference relative to the comet with periodic conductive pathways. Sol88 mentioned the comet losing excess electrons before so I'll ask again. Generally how many "excess electrons" does "The ELECTRIC COMET" notion propose such a comet has? |
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Also, what one should take into account is why such a small electric field is needed, to quote Madanian et al. [2016]:
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And yes, when it is there, it does something with the plasma environment, but nothing as crazy and wild as the EC proponents are wanting us to believe is happening. |
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Sol88: Lies about a tusenfem post which is not about his ambipolar delusion
21 November 2017 Sol88: Lies about a tusenfem post which is not about his new delusion that ambipolar electric fields are double layers.
On 6th January 2015 tusenfem wrote
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Sol88: Lies about a paper which is not on his current ambipolar delusion
21 November 2017 Sol88: Lies about a paper which is not on his current delusion that ambipolar electric fields are double layers or his other comet delusions.
Electric fields and cold electrons in the vicinity of Comet Halley from 1991 ! |
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What is worse is that these are electric fields local to the comet reducing with distance as in that Vigren et al. [2017] quote "on average r−1 decay in the electron number density".
A fundamental part of the EC delusion is that there is an electric field between the Sun and a comet. It is totally stupid to go on for months or years about locally produced electric fields that are irrelevant. Doubling up on that with imaginary and irrelevant double layers is doubly stupid. Sol88 has being whining about his cometary double layers delusion since at least 6th January 2015. |
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What does it do, Tusenfem?
You may remember this as well...
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Sol88: Irrelevant question to derail from his comet delusions
21 November 2017 Sol88: Irrelevant question to derail from his comet delusions.
21 November 2017 Sol88: Idiotic and irerlvant link to a deluded Thunderbolts cult "prophet". (D . E. Scott) As soon as we see "Birkeland" we know this is the Thunderbolt cult inane delusion of Birkeland currents doing magic. 21 November 2017 Sol88: A lie - his delusion of cometary double layers is being pointed out yet again. |
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Sol88: Irrelevant question to derail from his comet delusions.
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Sol88: Stupid question for me to derail from his comet delusions
21 November 2017 Sol88: Doubly stupid question for me to derail from his comet delusions.
I was the one who emphasized the lack of literature on cometary double layers. 389 items of ignorance, idiocy (citing irrelevant mainstream papers), delusion and lies dating from 29 August 2016 to 16 November 2017 (maybe hundreds more in the last 8 years!) includes your lies about cometary double layers. You are the one with the delusion that there are cometary double layers. 21 November 2017 Sol88: Cite your sources for your assertion of double layers at a comet. I expect more spamming of the thread with insanity from the Thunderbolts cult or lies about papers. |
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Zero when the solar wind is not reaching the nucleus. See the Nordheim paper. Anything else, or should we move right along, given that Sol is seemingly incapable of understanding either the Wang or Nordheim papers? What exactly are we doing here? I thought David Talbott told us that we were going to get all sorts of electric woo. Where was it? You know, all this EDM nonsense? Wandering electric arcs? Lol. Didn't happen, did it Solly boy? You are now reduced to trying to misinterpret mainstream papers to include anything that has the suffix electro, yes? Sad.
It was going to be so much more spectacular than this, wasn't it? And, when it wasn't, you have been reduced to this! Very, very sad. Do not blame me, or RC, or Tusenfem, or Tim Thompson, and many others who told you that this was unscientific garbage. Blame yourself for believing such garbage. Now give it up. Nobody is interested. It's dead. Kaput. Finito. Shuffled off its mortal coil. Gone to meet its maker. It is an ex stupid idea. Nobody is listening. |
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Err, no. Is that a sufficient answer? Please show us, including a plasma astrophysicist, who has access to the data, where this occurred. Please advise us of your qualifications and previous publications on this matter. Or,on the other hand, ................well I don't want to risk a ban, so I won't say it. Better come up with something good, though. Other than 'Wal said it would happen'. Lol. Anything else, Sol? Have we answered your questions? You do realise that you are probably the only person on the planet who still believes in this lunacy. Yes? I doubt T & T ever believed it. However, once they have conned enough people into believing their nonsense, and shelling out for books and DVDs, they really aren't bothered. You've been taken for a mug, sunshine.
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Sol88: A lie that I do not know that there are no cometary double layers
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jonesdave116, you may have not recognized this insult from Sol88:
drongo is an Australasian term for "idiot" or "stupid fellow". A quite mild insult by itself but "bloody" makes it worse. |
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As the density it probably high enough in the coma to carry this current, there is no need for double layers. And please note that I am talking about a tail detachment event in that section, not something that happens often, and has nothing to do with the previous discussion about the ambi-polar electric field.
You can keep on screaming double layers, but unless you come up with an actual description of what you think is happening, it ain't gonna happen. And descriptions like
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So, Sol, show us what this is supposed to mean, show a model, and not some word salat, if you know everything so well, what "us scientists" surprises so much. |
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WoW Tusenfem, WOW!
Your world is THAT small? |
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Charged dust, electric fields (locally very strong), global electric currents, spikes in the magnetic field, double layers, massive charge seperation, suprathermal electron, dust showers arriving in ‘beams’, bedrock hard surface, visible granular dust, nm size dust both compact then as aggregates and larger (m??) , stratified and cracked “well consolidated surface” (bedrock), lack of any dust to be entrained in sublimating gasses, complex hydrocarbons and organic .....
We’ll start there. Paint me a picture on sublimating ‘ice’ and I mean all molecular species det4cted so far and how there in the “ice/s”... |
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Or how bout we start on your statement in my signature below, jd116?
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And away we go again. Rinse and repeat. Ad nauseam. And still zero attempt to explain how any of that is lifting dust when there is a diamagnetic cavity in place. There is nothing electrical going on in that cavity, otherwise it wouldn't be called 'diamagnetic' would it? So, for the umpteenth time, explain what is lofting dust, and how it could form within that cavity.
The charged dust is within the coma. Due to processes in the coma. There are no electric fields within a diamagnetic cavity. There are no currents within a diamagnetic cavity. There is no charge separation within a diamagnetic cavity. There are no suprathermal electrons within a diamagnetic cavity. There are no spikes in the magnetic field within a diamagnetic cavity. By definition. There are no double layers, as you have been repeatedly told. The dust is lofted by gas, and may or may not be collimated. The surface is not bedrock hard, as has been repeatedly pointed out to you. Frankly, you are just wasting everybody's time with your inane claims, when it has been repeatedly explained to you, with links to the relevant science, that your claims are wrong. Demonstrably and without any doubt. If you want to carry on your religious belief in this particularly idiotic, unscientific and evidence-free woo, then fine. I just wish you'd take your nonsense somewhere else, and leave the good people of this forum alone, and save them from having to continually correct your idiotic claims. |
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Naturally, you are mixing up stuff, in order to confuse the reader. All the plasma stuff is not ice. As soon as the volatiles escape from the comet they are interacting with the solar wind and solar radiation, will get ionized and will start to interact with the electromagnetic surroundings they will find themselves in, mainly the IMF and the convectional electric field. This gives rise to all kinds of interesting plasma physical phenomena, that we mathemagically can describe very well. The last part of your listing about dust and bedrock and whatevers is also gathered to confuse the reader. You might as well ask why you find dust and stones and rock and ice and water all mixed together here in the Austrian Alps. It cannot be, man, it has to be either one or the other. |
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Sol88: Doubles up on a lie when he knows that is a lack of literature on cometary DL
22 November 2017 Sol88: Doubles up on a lie when he knows that is a lack of literature on cometary double layers.
Search ADS for 'comet double layer' and get only 46 results out of 13.4 million records ! 21 November 2017 Sol88: A lie that I do not know that there are no cometary double layers after I emphasized the lack of literature on cometary double layers. |
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Sol88: A stupid demand to derail from his comet delusions
22 November 2017 Sol88: A stupid demand to derail from his comet delusions.
The repeated stupid demand that we waste time teaching a person who
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Sol88: A possibly lying by quote mining signature (no context)
22 November 2017 Sol88: A possibly lying by quote mining signature (no context). But let us see...
No post with that quote in this part of the thread... In part II we have 27th August 2016, 01:36 PM [b]jonesdave116[/B]
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22 November 2017 Sol88: A lie in his signature by quote mining an obviously true statement by jonesdave116 A paper about the light defected by Rosetta instruments from an outburst of gas and dust on 67P is not about any of Sol88's electrical comet delusions. That Sol88 would be ignorant, deluded or lie about that sentence is hinted at by the next posts tusenfem: HELLO!! Spoiler alert!!! jonesdave116: Damn you! You should know by now that people are awaiting the fulfilment of Wal and Dave's hypotheses. How dare you cut them off at the whatsits!!!! Sol88 does not disappoint - posts follow that lie about the mainstream model of comets (this was 2016 - he had 7 years to learn about real comets). One of the many Thunderbolts cult delusions is that astronomers think that there is nothing "electrical" in the universe. Posters here other than Sol88 are not that stupid. For example, ee know that the solar wind interacts with the neutral gases from sublimating ices on comet to give ions and electrons, i.e. "electrical" stuff but not as in Sol88's comet delusions. There have been many mainstream papers on that subject cited here even by guess who ! |
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Charged dust: and so what?
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