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Yes, true. Although it is possibly unfair to ask Sol to do any research, when the originators of this nonsense couldn't be bothered doing any themselves:
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Detection of Water Vapor in Halley's Comet Mumma, M. J. et al. http://go.galegroup.com/ps/anonymous...mousEntry=true ETA: Just to add that the above detection was from the Kuiper Airborne Observatory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuiper...ne_Observatory |
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It is mostly lacking any data which supports it's views. In a nut shell, it is the idea that bodies away from the sun acquire some electrical charge and then when they move to the inner solar system they interact with some other existing field and the coma is an electrical discharge. The fact that does not work is something the EC proponents are oblivious to. |
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Sol88: a delusion that science is not based on " observation and measurement..."?
3 August 2017 Sol88: A delusion that science is not based on " observation and measurement from near and far"?
For lauwenmark: Tthis thread is not about your knowledge of the mainstream and working comet model. Sol88 is using tactics we see from cranks of
3 August 2017 Sol88: A repeated lie about a "Dirtysnowball" model which has never existed. Sol88 has been repeating this delusion about comet descriptions for some time (years?) The model of comets that has existed since the 1950's and still exists today is that comets are made of ices and dust as shown by their measured densities of less than that of water, etc. Astronomers started with the expectation of ices dominating in an "average" comet. Average is in quotes because comets start with a lot of volatiles, lose a proportion of those volatiles with each visit to the Sun and eventually end up as not a comet any more. Thus the dirty snowball description. Then along came the 2005 Deep Impact mission. The result of the impact was at least twice more dust (10 to 25 million kilograms) than water (5 million kilograms). This was the start of astronomers such as A'Herne in this press release describing comets as "snowy dirtballs". I will address Sol88's next post here: 3 August 2017 Sol88: An implied lie about a "deep fried ice-cream" model which has never existed. This is another description of comets. Two years and counting of fear of doing basic physics: 25 June 2015 Sol88: Use a impact calculator to calculate the size of the crater on a comet made of rock by the Deep Impact impactor. The parroting of the Thunderbolt cult ignorance, delusions and lies in this thread alone (continuation of a thread that is now 8 years of delusions from Sol88 and Haig!). 10th April 2015: The ignorance, delusions and lies in the Thunderbolts web site, videos, etc. |
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Sol88: A lie about contradictions between comets of ices and dust and a paper on dust
3 August 2017 Sol88: A lie about contradictions between comets of ices and dust and a paper on dust activity.
We might consider not citing real science to Sol88 because that just evokes lies about the papers as in this example . I wrote 27 July 2017 Sol88: The delusion that comets are rocks is not supported by the delusion that a paper is about comets being rocks. where I cited and quoted What drives the dust activity of comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko? by B. Gundlach, J. Blum, H. U. Keller, Y. V. Skorov (June 2015) There are papers with 2 different models of dust activity on comets made of ices and dust. A crucial difference is that Gundlach et. al. hav a layer of weakly cohesive dust formed through sublimation while Skorov et. al. use a numerical model to calculate cohesion forces. |
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“No rock. Any charge separation is limited. The electric field is pointing in the wrong direction. Currents are doing nothing.” Jonesdave116. “The 'electric comet' is physically IMPOSSIBLE to model using mainstream science! PERIOD! True story! End of story!” Indagator |
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Are we able to call "consolidated materials" ROCK?
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^^^^Blah, blah, blah. And could you please point us to any detection of rock? You know, from the instruments that would detect rock? Such as MIRO, or CONSERT? No, you can't, because it doesn't exist. So, how about detections of this non-existent EDM (lol)? You think something like that could happen? And go undetected? No, and no, would be the answer to that. So, please explain how electric woo is turning granite, for instance, into fluffy dust with a density of ~ 1kg/m3. Not thought this through, have you?
Let us make this quite clear; for 2 years a spacecraft orbited this comet. It had a whole bunch of instruments that could detect all kinds of things. Two things that it most DEFINITELY didn't detect, were rock and electrical discharge woo. It is a busted flush. And you still haven't told us what all the white stuff was around Hartley 2. Any ideas? What are Wally's 'electrical' jets made of? Well, we've known for years that the ones at Hartley 2 were CO2 gas. Eh? What were the temperatures of those jets? Consistent with electrical woo, was it? No. How big was the crater made on Tempel 1? Is that consistent with rock? No. In short, there is zero evidence for rock, and zero evidence (let alone a valid scientific mechanism) for electrical woo hitting the comet. It is inane, unscientific, unsupported woo, based purely on the idiotic Velikovskian beliefs of a couple of chancers. End of. |
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More inane rubbish. Care to explain how the Sun actually works? Electric, is it? Lol. Where is the current? Where is the magnetic field that surely would be created by this non-existent current? How would this non-existent current, and its magnetic field, get on when confronted by the outflowing solar wind, with its associated IMF? Answers on a postcard, because none of the woo merchants at Dunderdolts has ever answered those questions. Maybe you could be the first.
Give it up. It's all just unscientific nonsense from unqualified Velikovskian eejits. It'll turn your brain to mush. Just have a look on the Dunderbolts forum to see what I mean. Best to get out while you can. |
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I have no idea. As I said, please show us the evidence for rock. You know, from MIRO (as in the thermal properties), or CONSERT (which sent radio signals through the body of the comet). How big (for the squillionth time) was the crater at Tempel 1? What was ejected from that impact? Any rock? Any ice? Any water vapour? Two of those things were detected. One wasn't. Guess which.
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List of unanswered questions, just from the last few posts:
What was the white stuff around Hartley 2? Why were Wally's electrical jets composed of cold CO2? What was the size of the crater at Tempel 1? Is that consistent with rock? Why didn't MIRO or CONSERT detect any rock? Why was no EDM (lol) detected? You might want to try and answer those, because whatever argument you are making is killed stone dead by the answers to them. |
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Again, your post makes zero sense. SPELL OUT what you are on about. I am not psychic.
ETA: OK, so you're still prattling on about the 'dirty snowball', yes? That has changed in the 60 some years since Whipple coined the term. Eh? EETA: I'm not 100% sure that Whipple did coin the term. It may have been adopted by others, possibly the media, based on his model. Which, by the way, is a hell of a lot closer to reality than the garbage dreamed up by T & T. Despite the fact that they had over 50 more years of observations to base their rubbish on than Whipple had! |
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Sol, you cling to this strawman like a little kid clutching a security blanket. I'd like you to give it up but then all you'd be left with is taunts. But the lurkers see who brings evidence and who doesn't. Heck, the EC fails right out of the box based on bulk density data alone. Until you bring a real explanation for that (not that bogus electrical nonsense) there's really no need to get into anything more. |
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Sol88: A lie of "only ever had Whipples model" because models existed before Whipple
4 August 2017 Sol88: A lie of "only ever had Whipples model" because comet models existed before Whipple was born!
Fred Lawrence Whipple (November 5, 1906 – August 30, 2004) and astronomers have been writing about comets for centuries before his birth, e.g. Isaac Newton, Immanuel Kant (1775) and Friedrich Wilhelm Bessel (1836). 4 August 2017 Sol88: A lie of Whipple's model being a bust. The Whipple model is that comets are made of ices and dust with ices dominating. And rocks (which will probably evoke a meaningless rant from Sol88), which are not important until they are left behind at the end of a comet's lifetime, e.g. to give meteor showers. What has changed is that we have seen the ice does not dominate as much as Whipple proposed over 60 years ago. |
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Sol88: A link to the ignorant and deluded Thunderbolts cult dogma about comets
4 August 2017 Sol88: A link to the ignorant and deluded Thunderbolts cult dogma about comets that has been debunked for 8 years in tis thread alone !
4 August 2017 Sol88: Repeats his lie of a Michael F. A’Hearn quote stating that comets are rocks. 4 August 2017 Sol88: Cites again () two papers about dust activity on comets made of ices and dust. [url="http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=11943197#post11943197"]3 August 2017 Sol88: A lie about contradictions between comets of ices and dust and a paper on dust activity.[/URL 4 August 2017 Sol88: Quotes abysmally ignorant and deluded Thunderbolts cult lies. There are no electric discharges on comet nuclei so no delusions of "electrical machining". The vast cloud of dust from the comet does match the sublimating ices model, i.e. sublimating ices create dust jets that put dust into the coma. Which leads to: 4 August 2017 Sol88: Implies abysmal ignorance about the papers he cites which are not about dust jets. What drives the dust activity of comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko? by B. Gundlach, J. Blum, H. U. Keller, Y. V. Skorov (June 2015) Is near-surface ice the driver of dust activity on 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko by Skorov, Rezac, Hartogh and Keller (2017). These papers have models of the interaction between a layer of dust and the underlying ices. The dust activity is dust lifting throughout the interface between the dust and ices. |
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Sol88: We can rule in your delusion about comets being rock leading to lies
4 August 2017 Sol88: We can rule in your delusion about comets being rock leading to lies by altering a paper abstract.
Simulation of the electrostatic charging of Philae on 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko and of its interaction with the dusts
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Sol88: The delusion that "consolidated materials" means rock blasted from the Earth
Not to support your delusion that comets are ROCK with this ROCK blasted from the Earth turning the surface into a sea of lave in recent times.
4 August 2017 Sol88: The delusion that "consolidated materials" means rock blasted from the Earth to form comets in recent times. Characterization of the Abydos landing site of Philae on comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko (PDF) uses the rational definition of "consolidated materials" in the context of comets - ices and dust that have consolidated into a cohesive material. |
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Sol88: The insanity of labeling working solar physics as beating a dead horse
Ignorant parroting of the Thunderbolts cult dogma is never funny. This may be the "Sun is "not powered by thermonuclear reactions at the core" stupidity we saw in the EU2017 conference web page.
4 August 2017 Sol88: The insanity of labeling working solar physics as beating a dead horse after his 8 years of beating his dead, ignorant, deluded horse of comets are rock! 4 August 2017 Sol88: A lie by highlighting a phrase in a quote and ignoring that the entire article is about making sense of the heating of the solar corona. New clue to solving the mystery of the Sun's hot atmosphere
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Sol88: The "stupid thing" is repeating a lie about a A’Hearn quote
4 August 2017 Sol88: The "stupid thing" is repeating a lie again about a A’Hearn quote being about your delusions that comets are rock.
For a start I will document the repeated lie yet again for everyone in the world to read for the lifetime of the Internet! 6 July 2017 Sol88: Makes an implied lie into an explicit lie. Michael F. A’Hearn never stated that comets are rocks as in your delusion. The quote is Michael F. A’Hearn explicating stating that comets are made of ices and refractory (rock) material:
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Sol88: Denies the uselessness of his delusion that comets are rock
4 August 2017 Sol88: Denies the uselessness of his delusion that comets are rocks by ignoring the question.
4 August 2017 Sol88: How is electric woo is turning granite, for instance, into fluffy dust with a density of ~ 1kg/m? And 4 August 2017 Sol88: How is electric woo is turning granite, for instance, into fluffy dust that is not granite? Stardust and Rosetta did not collect any grains of granite. Stardust and Rosetta did not collect any grains of basalt. Stardust and Rosetta did not collect any grains of limestone. Stardust and Rosetta did not collect any grains of sandstone. But we have deafening silence emphasizing the complete ignorance of science behind the comets are rocks delusion: 11 July 2017 Sol88: What did your comets are rocks delusion predict abut the observation of cold and warm electrons at 67P? 6 July 2017 Sol88: What does a rotating charged body do (so far a display of complete ignorance of basic electromagnetism!)? 7 July 2017 Sol88: What did your comets are rocks delusion predict about the impact of Rosetta on 67P? 27 July 2017 Sol88: Did the Stardust mission sample the subsurface composition of comet Wild 2? 27 July 2017 Sol88: Where is the EU prediction of subsurface composition in the "Subsurface composition" paragraph or linked web page? 27 July 2017 Sol88: What does a deluded denial of the formation of the Solar System have to do with the EU subsurface composition of comets |
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