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13th August 2017, 10:15 PM | #161 |
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Sol88: An ignorant question about Philae emphasizes 8 years of delusion
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14 August 2017 Sol88: A derail from his comets are rock delusion to his ignorance about comets! 14 August 2017 Sol88: The repeated lie of putting ice in quotes. 14 August 2017 Sol88: The "MUPUS tried to hammer into rock" delusion raises its ugly head again! 14 August 2017 Sol88: An ignorant question about Philae emphasizes 8 years of delusion that comets are rock. Philae measured that the ice it landed on (under a dust layer) was too hard for MUPUS to penetrate deeply. It is not your ignorant "how much", it is the properties of the surface of a comet made of ices and dust.
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Righto, since you're obviously incapable of using your own grey matter here is how they "confirmed" ice. From the paper Thermal and mechanical properties of the near-surface layers of comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko T. Spohn,1* J. Knollenberg,1 A. J. Ball,2 M. Banaszkiewicz,3 J. Benkhoff,2 M. Grott,1 J. Grygorczuk,3 C. Hüttig,1 A. Hagermann,4 G. Kargl,5 E. Kaufmann,4 N. Kömle,5 E. Kührt,1 K. J. Kossacki,6 W. Marczewski,3 I. Pelivan,1 R. Schrödter,1 K. Seiferlin
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So how does the h2o, co2, co gas sublimating under a very good thermally insulating
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14th August 2017, 05:12 AM | #164 |
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@Tusenfem, would you happen to know if Holger Sierks is still in the game?
Gone quite on the OSIRIS front, now all the "looking" is done and dusted. |
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You assert "how" yourself, by "sublimating". As a direct phase change from solid to gas the molecular degrees of freedom are significantly increased resulting in a profound reduction in hardness.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardness http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu...tic/eqpar.html https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degree...om_(mechanics) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degree...and_chemistry) http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu...rmo/phase.html https://www.grc.nasa.gov/www/k-12/airplane/state.html As hardness is a function of the intermolecular forces... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermolecular_force ...and a gaseous state is where those intermolecular forces are the weakest compared to the forces resulting from the thermal energy of the material then hardness is specifically and detrimentally affected. Those intermolecular forces also result in the cohesion mentioned in the pervious paper. If your question has more, equal or even less to do with the assertion of a "very good thermally insulating https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_insulation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_conduction Again the intermolecular forces and resulting degrees of freedom of the molecular structure of a solid material determine how well it conducts thermal energy. |
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Sol88: Two lies about a Spohn & Ball paper.
15 August 2017 Sol88: Two lies about a Spohn & Ball paper.
Thermal and mechanical properties of the near-surface layers of comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko
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Sol88: Delusion of a "very good thermally insulating" layer
15 August 2017 Sol88: Resurrected delusion of a "very good thermally insulating" layer.
The Man replied with a list of links to science that Sol88 has persistently denied with this ignorant question. Comets heat up as they get closer to the Sun. This is fairly uniform - hotter on the sunlit side, cooler on the night side and throughout the nucleus. Ices sublimate when they are heated enough. That they are covered with a layer of dust and a layer of sintered dust & ices does not change this. That sublimation also applies to the layer of sintered dust & ices ! There is an implied second delusion - that this layer of sintered dust & ices is universal, i.e. covers the entire surface of 67P and every other comet. The varied terrain of comets makes this wrong. We have no reason to think that the cliffs on 67P have this layer. We see jets coming from pits that are deeper than the layer. There are some craters on 67P which show outgassing. The first impact of Philae was on a relatively soft surface: Surprising Comet Discoveries by Rosetta's Philae Lander Unveiled
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15 August 2017 Sol88: A lie of a "something as hard as rock" (even struck out). Thermal and mechanical properties of the near-surface layers of comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko The MUPUS results were a "sintered near-surface microporous dust-ice layer with a porosity of 30 to 65%". Over 67 years of observations show that comets are ices and dust (Whipple published his model in 1950 based on existing data). |
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Yup, looks like you've got the dirtysnowball down pat 'ol mate!
That's exactly how I remember it being told to me in primary school. Great to see we've moved on..not. looks like the bulk density has got you mob stumped! Really quite funny watching the mainstream trying smash a round peg into a square hole!! If you'd actuality read and UNDERSTAND the papers they calibrated the MUPUS-PEN in to
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Because from the table above that's how they calibrated the penetrator! Can you imagine the surprise when the layer was harder (way harder) than expected and the penetrator was recoiling off the hard stuff.
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Nothing in this mainstream journal supports your delusions that comets are rocks, etc.
Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society, Volume 469, Issue Suppl_2, 21 July 2017 |
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Sol88:A lie of "looks like the bulk density has got you mob stumped!"
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15 August 2017 Sol88: A lie of "looks like the bulk density has got you mob stumped!" when it is you has the delusion that comets are rocks and their bulk density is measured to be less than that of water. The bulk density of comets has been measured for over 67 years and stumps no one who can read which is what makes the statement into a lie. 15 August 2017 Sol88: An ignorant delusion about the MUPUS-PEN calibration in the lab being what MUPUS detected on 67P. This is basic science. We have an instrument. We want to use it to make measurements of a property. We calibrate that instrument using materials with already known properties. For example, we might calibrate a thermometer by looking at what it reads with ice and with boiling water. Using that thermometer to measure the temperature of a person does not make them into ice or boiling water ! Table 1. PEN hammer calibration data is the calibration of the hammer against materials with already known properties. 15 August 2017 Sol88: Repeating his delusions that comets are rocks, etc. 15 August 2017 Sol88: The idiocy that a "sintered near-surface microporous dust-ice layer with a porosity of 30 to 65%" = bulk density. |
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Read what I wrote:
15 August 2017 Sol88: Two lies about a Spohn & Ball paper I am saying that your delusions have lead you to lie about that paper which gets more deluded with that question: 15 August 2017 Sol88: An ignorant delusion about the MUPUS-PEN calibration in the lab being what MUPUS detected on 67P. |
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Sol88: An "anything" fantasy - the layer had to be ices and dust
15 August 2017 Sol88: An "anything" fantasy - the layer MUPUS hammered into had to be ices and dust because that is the composition of comets.
15 August 2017 Sol88: Two lies about a Spohn & Ball paper 15 August 2017 Sol88: An ignorant delusion about the MUPUS-PEN calibration in the lab being what MUPUS detected on 67P.[/quote] 15 August 2015 Sol88: The delusion that "well consolidated material" means his comets are rocks delusion? When astronomers talk about well consolidated materials on comets they mean ices and dust that is packed closer to together than looser ices and dust. So instead of ices and dust with an average porosity of 70% as detected in the bulk of 67P there may be ices and dust with a porosity of 30% as in
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Supposed to be humorous but exposes your inability to understand what you read, namely the text after Table 1. PEN hammer calibration data where the authors explain
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Oh and since it's one of your favourite gripes on my lack of maths skills and since your so bloody good at it
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Sol88: A lie about "lack of maths skills" - it is your fear of physics
16 August 2017 Sol88: A lie about "lack of maths skills" - that question exposes your fear of basic physics!
An abysmal "lack of maths skills" is a different matter: 16 August 2017 Sol88: Reminds everyone of 8 years of the delusion that 0.6 is 3.0. The measured average density of comets is 0.6 g/cc. The measured average density of asteroids is 3.0 g/cc. 16 August 2017 Sol88: Ignorant statement about Rosetta (launched before Deep Impact)! Rosetta was a space probe built by the European Space Agency launched on 2 March 2004 Deep Impact was a NASA space probe launched from Cape Canaveral Air Force Station at 18:47 UTC on January 12, 2005 The design and testing of MUPUS-PEN was years before 2004. |
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Sol88: The idiocy of citing a paper giving Tempel 1 was softer than predicted
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16 August 2017 Sol88: The idiocy of citing a paper that means that Comet Tempel 1 was softer than predicted! You quote sections 3.4 and 3.3. The predicted crater diameter would be 22 m. and an unlikely "terrestrial soft rock ... which gives a predicted crater diameter of 11 m.". The measured crater diameter was about 150 meters ! Two years and counting of fear of doing basic physics: 25 June 2015 Sol88: Use a impact calculator to calculate the size of the crater on a comet made of rock by the Deep Impact impactor. For your delusion that comets are rock, the predicted crater diameter is ~7 meters. |
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What surface changes happened on Tempel 1 in the 6 years before stardust came past to re image the nucleus?
Are you saying RC, the crater stayed in pristine condition when there are obvious surface changes. You have seen the blurry grainy pictures they used to measure the diameter of the crater? I'd expect there to be an electrical component to the impact crater as documented HERE the central mound and the dark "ring" are signature of electrical scarring. First hint would have been the double flash that Wal Thornhill predicted and the far more energetic "explosion" that was observed, that stopped the primary mission achieving its goal. If it was ice
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Sol88: Ignorant fantasies and lies about Deep Impact and Tempel 1
17 August 2017 Sol88: Ignorant fantasies and lies about Deep Impact and Tempel 1.
His 8 year long delusion is that comets are rocks. So he wants sublimation (that he thinks does not exist) making a crater in rock bigger ! 17 August 2017 Sol88: A link to his ignorant and deluded Thunderbolts cult. 17 August 2017 Sol88: His delusion that the craters are electric. 17 August 2017 Sol88: His delusion that "the central mound and the dark "ring" are signature of electrical scarring". 17 August 2017 Sol88: A "dark ring" lie (there is the light ring of the crater rim with a shadow). 17 August 2017 Sol88: Mindless parroting of Wal Thornhill's "double flash" & energy lies. 28 November 2010 (): The lies, failures and "successes" of Thunderbolts Deep Impact predictions
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Some science for those who are interested.
Before and after images of the Deep Impact site are at Tempel 1 Impact Site. Some notes.
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So just a best guesstimate then?
Nothing can be measured from the photo supplied, in fact it looks very much like the alcove and the pit like feature to the North have joined together! So unless you're really clutching at straws the crater size is nothing but based on prior expectations! e.g we expected to hit dust and ice and we did, yay! but when we measured the surface of a comet and expected to measure the hardness of said dust and ice we found it to be much, much harder than expected and because that DOES not fit with expectation of what a comet should be made out of it's relegated to the data that does not "fit" our expectations bin. If the impactor did indeed (more than likely hit "well consolidated terrain") impact soft rock one would expect more dust than ice, as observed (and predicted). |
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Sol88: Delusions and lies about the Stardust-NExT image and MUPUS results
17 August 2017 Sol88: Delusions and lies about the Stardust-NExT image and MUPUS results.
17 August 2017 Sol88: A lie about a prediction of the amount of dust and ices from Deep Impact hitting rock. 17 August 2015 Sol88: The delusion that "well consolidated terrain" means his comets are rocks delusion. |
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Questions emphasizing the complete uselessness of the comets are rocks delusion
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So what is the difference between CONSOLIDATED material, ROCK-like and ROCK, Reality Check?
Density? Composition? please keep in mind the nucleus bulk density! |
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http://blogs.esa.int/rosetta/2015/09...rosettas-eyes/
Always interesting to discuss in relation to https://arxiv.org/abs/1509.02794 Kinda similar on just a purely visual basis to Tempels 1's reatreating icy cliffs/powdery flows. Comet Tempel 1 90 seconds before impact. The image was taken by the targeting sensor on Deep Impact's impactor. Or thuderdolts pseudo science mumbo jumbo...http://www.thunderbolts.info/thunder...15_se_teu7.htm Interesting, that's all |
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A reminder that the Thunderbolt cult that Sol88 mindlessly parrots is not just his comets are rocks delusion.
20 July 2017: A Thunderbolts follower with a ignorant "cosmic climate model" delusions. 21 July 2017: The mostly ignorant and deluded cranks speaking at the EU2017 conference. 24 July 2017: Thornhill shows again that he has gone off the deep end with a "gravity = EM" speech. 31 July 2017: All sorts of idiocy in the Thunderbolts dogma listed for EU2017 (Big Bang denial, black hole denial, delusion that stars are not powered by fusion, etc.) |
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Sol88: Smearing astronomers with his comets are rocks, etc delusions.
18 August 2017 Sol88: Smearing astronomers with his comets are rocks, etc. delusions.
Astronomers know the observations of comets (dating from before 1950 ) that make 8 years of comets are rock. etc. posts into ignorant delusions. Astronomers look at the formations that the ices and dust make in low gravity on comets and label some as "rock-like". |
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Sol8: Insults astronomers by linking them with his comet delusions
18 August 2017 Sol8: Insults astronomers by linking them with his ignorant comet delusions.
The question is about the comet delusions you have been mindless parroting for the last 8 years. Questions with deafening silence emphasizing the complete uselessness of the comets are rocks delusion. |
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Sol88: What is your predicted composition of comets from their origins
18 August 2017 Sol88: What is your predicted composition of comets from their origins?
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Sol88: What is your predicted density of comets?
18 August 2017 Sol88: What is your predicted density of comets?
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Sol88: What is the measured density of comets
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Sol88: State the physics that explains the density difference
18 August 2017 Sol88: What is your predicted density of comets?
18 August 2017 Sol88: What is the measured density of comets? If your predicted densities and the measured densities differ: 18 August 2017 Sol88: State the physics that explains the density difference showing that the measurements are matched. No vague ignorant fantasies about electric magic. Read whatever you cite or risk the citation being called out as a lie. |
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Sol88: A lie about a Rosetta blog that is not abut his comet delusions
18 August 2017 Sol88: A lie about a Rosetta blog that is not about nor supports his comet delusions.
18 August 2017 Sol88: A lie about a paper that is not about nor supports his comet delusions. Temporal morphological changes in the Imhotep region of comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko 18 August 2017 Sol88: A link to his ignorant, deluded and lying Thunderbolts cult. That is an extract from a Wallace Thornhill and David Talbott book with lies about Deep Impact thus Sol88 accuses David Talbott of being a liar like Wal Thornhill ! 18 August 2017 Sol88: Wal Thornhill and David Talbott published lies about "correct" predictions for Depp Impact in a 2007 book. For example, the flash before impact lie and the unexpected energy lie. A reminder that the Thunderbolt cult that Sol88 mindlessly parrots is not just his comets are rocks delusion. Two years and counting of fear of doing basic physics: 25 June 2015 Sol88: Use a impact calculator to calculate the size of the crater on a comet made of rock by the Deep Impact impactor. The parroting of the Thunderbolt cult ignorance, delusions and lies in this thread alone (continuation of a thread that is now 8 years of delusions from Sol88) 10th April 2015: The ignorance, delusions and lies in the Thunderbolts web site, videos, etc. [/quote] |
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