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Old 26th October 2021, 09:29 PM   #2601
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
I feel for you all, but it's not just Brexit. Shipping is screwed up all over. Most critical to me is that there's a shortage of cat food. You try explaining it to them!
Supply chains are messed up worldwide, but in other places that means higher prices and longer wait times for some things you order on line, not empty shelves in grocery stores or people not being able to buy fuel for their car.
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Old 27th October 2021, 12:33 AM   #2602
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Graphic seen on Twitter.

In recent news, an HGV lorry driver on reversing, drove his vehicle over the docks.
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Old 27th October 2021, 01:09 AM   #2603
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Ten months from sunlit uplands to UK exports plunged, prices rising, supermarket shelves emptying, food rotting in the fields, pigs being incinerated and England's rivers are flowing with sewage.
Could any other political party have delivered so much change in such a short space of time?
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Old 27th October 2021, 01:31 AM   #2604
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Originally Posted by catsmate View Post
Could any other political party have delivered so much change in such a short space of time?
....and still be enjoying considerable public support ?

You'd hope that screwing Covid and Brexit up so royally would result in electoral consequences but somehow they've managed to distract the public and/or shift the blame.
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Old 29th October 2021, 01:45 AM   #2605
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I see BoJo's minions are blustering again.
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Old 29th October 2021, 02:23 AM   #2606
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It's all the UK have left - an inexhaustible national strategic reserve of empty bluster.
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Old 29th October 2021, 02:35 AM   #2607
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So, a couple of emails and phone call later, I had to complete a customs declaration citing Pressdram's IOSS reference number in order to waive the Posti (Post Office) 'handling fee' of €2.90, even though they admitted the problem was their end as they couldn't read the bar code or whatever. Given my hourly fees are substantially tens of times higher than €2.90, I reckon I actually made a loss there, especially if the phone call itself was €X per minute.
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Old 29th October 2021, 02:41 AM   #2608
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George Eustice describes himself as being “quite happy” about Brexit being twice as bad for the U.K. economy as the pandemic. What a time to be alive.
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Old 29th October 2021, 02:50 AM   #2609
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
George Eustice describes himself as being “quite happy” about Brexit being twice as bad for the U.K. economy as the pandemic. What a time to be alive.
"No possible downside, only a considerable upside".......

I suppose that we're just looking at too short a time horizon. Sure the current economic impact of Brexit is twice as bad as that of Covid but over the 50-year timescale suggested by Rees-Mogg, I'm sure that it'll be many times that
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Old 29th October 2021, 03:28 AM   #2610
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That's nice of France to do us a favour - what's better than standing up to the French for Rah-Rah headlines??
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Old 29th October 2021, 06:35 AM   #2611
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Britain has begun preparations for a major clash with the EU by activating a key government committee to look at the fallout from suspending cooperation over Northern Ireland, Sky News has learnt.

Ministers are holding discussions inside the key cabinet committee, which oversaw Brexit fallout preparations, about the repercussions of triggering Article 16, which allows the UK to stop following some parts of the Northern Ireland Protocol.

https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-uk...ation-12453512
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Old 30th October 2021, 04:23 AM   #2612
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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
So, a couple of emails and phone call later, I had to complete a customs declaration citing Pressdram's IOSS reference number in order to waive the Posti (Post Office) 'handling fee' of €2.90, even though they admitted the problem was their end as they couldn't read the bar code or whatever. Given my hourly fees are substantially tens of times higher than €2.90, I reckon I actually made a loss there, especially if the phone call itself was €X per minute.
I bet you were tempted to use the reply given in the case of Arkellvs Pressdram.
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Old 30th October 2021, 04:31 AM   #2613
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Old 30th October 2021, 06:29 AM   #2614
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John Redwood tweeted

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So France and the EU want the U.K. back as a colony. They look mean and desperate trying to boss us about so they can take more of our fish and try to annex Northern Ireland.

The UK needs to get firmer over fishing rights. Lets ban supertrawlers of over 100 metres damaging our fishing grounds and taking too many of our fish. The French are risking their businesses by acting so irresponsibly.

As long as U.K. stays polite and resolute it is France not us that loses credibility in the world. Glad to see the French Minister admits it would be damaging to stay in the EU when we are told it must be more damaging to leave.

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Old 30th October 2021, 06:36 AM   #2615
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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
That's nice of France to do us a favour - what's better than standing up to the French for Rah-Rah headlines??
And right on message:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
John Redwood tweeted

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So France and the EU want the U.K. back as a colony. They look mean and desperate trying to boss us about so they can take more of our fish and try to annex Northern Ireland.

The UK needs to get firmer over fishing rights. Lets ban supertrawlers of over 100 metres damaging our fishing grounds and taking too many of our fish. The French are risking their businesses by acting so irresponsibly.

As long as U.K. stays polite and resolute it is France not us that loses credibility in the world. Glad to see the French Minister admits it would be damaging to stay in the EU when we are told it must be more damaging to leave.
Quelle surprise!
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Old 30th October 2021, 03:36 PM   #2616
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Tomorrows Sunday Telegraph headline: Johnson demands EU rein in Macron
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Old 30th October 2021, 07:23 PM   #2618
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Tomorrows Sunday Telegraph headline: Johnson demands EU rein in Macron
The torygraph requires that I pay to become a member for a fee. Are they not against enforced membership?
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Old 31st October 2021, 12:12 PM   #2619
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It is "up to France" to solve the ongoing fishing row with the UK by stepping back from threats over access to ports, the UK government has said.

But Mr Macron said the ball was "in Britain's court" and he hoped there would be a positive response on Monday.
Mr Macron added it was not a bilateral issue but an EU issue.

Following the meeting on Sunday, French officials said the pair had agreed to work on a solution in the "next hours and days".
But later, a spokesman for Mr Johnson said no measures had been agreed.
Mr Johnson said it was a "wide ranging and frank discussion", and insisted that should be expected "between long standing friends and very, very close allies".

An earlier statement on behalf of Mr Johnson said he had "reiterated his deep concern over the rhetoric emanating from the French government in recent days, including the suggestion by the French prime minister that the UK should be punished for leaving the EU".
And it said Mr Johnson had "expressed his hope that the French government would de-escalate this rhetoric and withdraw their threats".
The PM's spokesman then went further, adding: "It's down to France to decide if they want to step away from the deeply concerning threats.
"We are not seeking to escalate this. We would welcome it if they de-escalate and withdraw the threats they have made. [But] it will be for the French to decide."

The two leaders held a 30-minute informal meeting in Rome, where leaders of the world's richest economies, the G20, have been holding talks.
A French official said: "We see that Boris Johnson is trying to make the fishing story a French-UK affair. It is a post-Brexit affair which should be handled between the European Union and the United Kingdom.
"And what we are asking for from the British is that they respect their signature."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59109804
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Old 31st October 2021, 12:30 PM   #2620
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An earlier statement on behalf of Mr Johnson said he had "reiterated his deep concern over the rhetoric emanating from the French government in recent days, including the suggestion by the French prime minister that the UK should be punished for leaving the EU".
And it said Mr Johnson had "expressed his hope that the French government would de-escalate this rhetoric and withdraw their threats".
The PM's spokesman then went further, adding: "It's down to France to decide if they want to step away from the deeply concerning threats.
"We are not seeking to escalate this. We would welcome it if they de-escalate and withdraw the threats they have made. [But] it will be for the French to decide."
I am not a French speaker but I'm told that this is what the letter actually said

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...is essential to demonstrate to European public opinion that respect for formal commitments is not negotiable and that leaving the Union has more disadvantages than remaining within it.
Nothing about "punishing" the UK, just that we stick to our commitments.
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The UK has been "left behind" according to steel makers after the US agreed to end a trade war over items that also included whiskey and Harley-Davidsons.

President Biden has signed a deal to end tariffs on steel imports from the EU, which were imposed by his predecessor Donald Trump.
But the agreement does not cover exports from the UK, putting British steelmakers at a disadvantage.

Trade body UK Steel said a deal for British producers was "sorely needed".
The tariffs, which came into force in 2018, nearly halved British steel exports to the US, Gareth Stace, director general of UK Steel, said.

The US is the second-largest market for British-made steel. But the new deal will put UK producers at a competitive disadvantage compared to European rivals who will be able to ship their products to the US without paying import taxes.

"Whilst it is promising to see the US take steps to open up access to its steel markets again, there is significant concern that UK producers have been left behind in this process and continue to wait for their own deal," Mr Stace said.
"The substantial competitive advantage that this deal provides EU steel producers over UK ones will undoubtedly result in our export orders to the US market being lost to EU exporters."

But International Trade Secretary Anne-Marie Trevelyan has said the UK and US are in talks to remove "damaging tariffs" from British steel exports.
Ms Trevelyan tweeted: "We welcome the Biden administration's willingness to work with us to address trade issues relating to steel and aluminium.
"It is encouraging the US is taking steps to de-escalate this issue."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-59113868
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Old 1st November 2021, 03:47 AM   #2622
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The UK has been "left behind" according to steel makers after the US agreed to end a trade war over items that also included whiskey and Harley-Davidsons.

President Biden has signed a deal to end tariffs on steel imports from the EU, which were imposed by his predecessor Donald Trump.
But the agreement does not cover exports from the UK, putting British steelmakers at a disadvantage.

Trade body UK Steel said a deal for British producers was "sorely needed".
The tariffs, which came into force in 2018, nearly halved British steel exports to the US, Gareth Stace, director general of UK Steel, said.

The US is the second-largest market for British-made steel. But the new deal will put UK producers at a competitive disadvantage compared to European rivals who will be able to ship their products to the US without paying import taxes.

"Whilst it is promising to see the US take steps to open up access to its steel markets again, there is significant concern that UK producers have been left behind in this process and continue to wait for their own deal," Mr Stace said.
"The substantial competitive advantage that this deal provides EU steel producers over UK ones will undoubtedly result in our export orders to the US market being lost to EU exporters."

But International Trade Secretary Anne-Marie Trevelyan has said the UK and US are in talks to remove "damaging tariffs" from British steel exports.
Ms Trevelyan tweeted: "We welcome the Biden administration's willingness to work with us to address trade issues relating to steel and aluminium.
"It is encouraging the US is taking steps to de-escalate this issue."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-59113868
Well I suppose that's very much a "glass half-full" way of looking at a pretty negative situation.

A more pessimistic realistic person would be disappointed that the UK, because it's no longer part of the EU, is still subject to US tariffs.

Instead we're supposed to be cheered because the US is willing to talk about maybe removing those tariffs at some point in the future - though I wonder what concessions the US will be able to extract from the UK and how they compare to the concessions that were extracted from the EU, if there were any.
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France fishing dispute: Foreign Secretary Liz Truss sets 48-hour deadline for Brexit row to be resolved - as Jersey hits out at 'bully' French

Speaking to Sky News at the COP26 climate change summit in Glasgow, Foreign Secretary Liz Truss hits out at the French for behaving "unfairly" and accused them of operating outside the terms of the Brexit trade deal.

Downing Street said "robust contingency plans" have been draw up in the event France follows through on fishing threats at midnight.

The PM's spokesman told reporters: "Depending on if or what the French decide to do, we will enact them as and when we need to."

https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-li...g-row-12456818
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Why is so much coverage of the fishing row omitting the fact that Jersey yesterday issued a bunch of licenses for the French boats to fish in the relevant waters?
I might be wrong but it seems significant to me.

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Old 2nd November 2021, 03:35 AM   #2625
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Why is so much coverage of the fishing row omitting the fact that Jersey yesterday issued a bunch of licenses for the French boats to fish in the relevant waters?
I might be wrong but it seems significant to me.
But that would an embarrassing climb down and yet another u-turn from the UK government so they'll slip it under the radar while adopting bellicose postures and bleating about how unfair the EU are being.


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The story in the UK press will be that the French blinked and gave us everything we wanted without having to give up anything in return.

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Or did the dastardly Frenchies sneak in, disguised as a wooden haddock, and just steal the licenses?
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Why is so much coverage of the fishing row omitting the fact that Jersey yesterday issued a bunch of licenses for the French boats to fish in the relevant waters?
I might be wrong but it seems significant to me.
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But that would an embarrassing climb down and yet another u-turn from the UK government so they'll slip it under the radar while adopting bellicose postures and bleating about how unfair the EU are being.


edited to add:

The story in the UK press will be that the French blinked and gave us everything we wanted without having to give up anything in return.
And like clockwork, while I was doing the washing up, the BBC Radio 2 news reported that the attitude of the French was softening but didn't see fit to mention the reason why it might have done so.

I'm sure it's all down to the steely determination of the UK negotiating team and not because they have simply acceded to all demands.
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^Yeahbut, if our stiff upper lipped negotiating team acceded to any demands from Johnny Frenchie it will have been done with steely determination.

Just like all the "reading" of the agreements we signed was done with such a stiff upper lip that the documents could not actually be seen for said lip and that the determination was so steely that its reflection rendered the documents invisible.
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^Yeahbut, if our stiff upper lipped negotiating team acceded to any demands from Johnny Frenchie it will have been done with steely determination.

Just like all the "reading" of the agreements we signed was done with such a stiff upper lip that the documents could not actually be seen for said lip and that the determination was so steely that its reflection rendered the documents invisible.
Those sneaky, sneaky foreigners and their duplicitous ways. They completely undermine the whole negotiation-deal-policing process by:
  • Having a clear, internally consistent set of demands in advance of the negotiations
  • Writing them down and bringing them along
  • Engaging in meaningful negotiations rather than just trotting out soundbites for domestic consumption
  • Being directly involved in the drafting of the final agreement
  • Reading said agreement cover to cover
  • Actually understanding the agreement
  • Preparing to implement the terms of the agreement ahead of time rather than just hoping for the best
  • Insisting that all parties actually adhere to the terms of the agreement

The bastages !!!!!
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We did rather enjoy London giving us 48 hours to sort things out, when yesterday was a national holiday over here and nobody was going to be in the office to answer the phone.
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We did rather enjoy London giving us 48 hours to sort things out, when yesterday was a national holiday over here and nobody was going to be in the office to answer the phone.
Do any of us think that Liz Trussed and Blow Job actually knew that?

I don't, as that would have involved knowledge and foresight, the lack of which is one of their defining characteristics. And anyway, BlowJob was far too busy being a hypocritical clown in Glasgow.
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To be honest I would be up for a secondment to the department in Paris that's dealing with relations with the UK, just so I could have conversations and leave voicemail messages in the most exaggerated Allo Allo accents.

(Having done all of my primary and secondary education in Kent and worked for several years in London, my normal accent in English is far closer to a villain in a Guy Ritchie film that what you'd tend to expect this side of the ditch).
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To be honest I would be up for a secondment to the department in Paris that's dealing with relations with the UK, just so I could have conversations and leave voicemail messages in the most exaggerated Allo Allo accents.

(Having done all of my primary and secondary education in Kent and worked for several years in London, my normal accent in English is far closer to a villain in a Guy Ritchie film that what you'd tend to expect this side of the ditch).
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To be honest I would be up for a secondment to the department in Paris that's dealing with relations with the UK, just so I could have conversations and leave voicemail messages in the most exaggerated Allo Allo accents.

(Having done all of my primary and secondary education in Kent and worked for several years in London, my normal accent in English is far closer to a villain in a Guy Ritchie film that what you'd tend to expect this side of the ditch).
G'wan, do it!

But demand membership at Kent and your pick of seats at the St Lawrence Ground as conditions.
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Buyer’s remorse

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…. But Perkes surprises with a key admission – he voted to leave the EU. “I’ve been trolled since I first revealed this – but I wish I had voted to stay in. I never realised we were going to incur all these costs. We were told it was going to be free trade.” …..
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The French are always grumpy in October, the anniversaries of Trafalgar and Agincourt upset them
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Buyer’s remorse

https://www.theguardian.com/business...cost-of-brexit


…. But Perkes surprises with a key admission – he voted to leave the EU. “I’ve been trolled since I first revealed this – but I wish I had voted to stay in. I never realised we were going to incur all these costs. We were told it was going to be free trade.” …..
If only there had been some warnings that Brexit wass highly unlikely to work that way. Why did no-one think of that?
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The French are always grumpy in October, the anniversaries of Trafalgar and Agincourt upset them
/facepalm

Talk about preaching to the choir, as I doubt the French gives more than a single jot about either of the two these days. Then again, presumably this will resonate with the "Two world wars and one world cup"-crowd...
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/facepalm

Talk about preaching to the choir, as I doubt the French gives more than a single jot about either of the two these days. Then again, presumably this will resonate with the "Two world wars and one world cup"-crowd...
Well, next Thursday is a national holiday designated as the day when we remember all the poor bastards who fell in war, but I doubt many of my compatriots could give even an estimation of the date of either of those specific battles.
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Buyer’s remorse

https://www.theguardian.com/business...cost-of-brexit


…. But Perkes surprises with a key admission – he voted to leave the EU. “I’ve been trolled since I first revealed this – but I wish I had voted to stay in. I never realised we were going to incur all these costs. We were told it was going to be free trade.” …..
He must have voted Leave to get rid of the migrants.

Read further on in the article and he comes out with this gem:

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But despite his regrets, he believes the way forward is for the UK to “toughen up” its stance towards France.

“They want to bring their wines and cheeses and delicacies into the UK? Let’s make it tougher for them,” he said. “Let’s put tariffs on it. Let’s stop Citroen and Renault bringing cars in. Let’s make it difficult, as difficult as they’re making it for us. Because it can work both ways.”
I bet that is a sanitised version of what he says to his mates down the pub.
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