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Old 11th October 2021, 12:48 AM   #521
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Trump HIMSELF said it.
Do you consider Trump to be an untrustworthy source?
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Old 11th October 2021, 01:39 AM   #522
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
Trump HIMSELF said it.
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Said what, specifically?


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That depends. Sometimes. Sometimes not.
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Old 11th October 2021, 02:12 AM   #523
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Said what, specifically?




That depends. Sometimes. Sometimes not.
That he got the vaccine, that it was good and that everyone should take.
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Old 11th October 2021, 02:19 AM   #524
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Originally Posted by Bubba View Post
Choose between jab or your job.

Technically not forcing anyone. (congrats, you win) Try convincing someone of that, who took the jab to stay employed/feed family.

Also if you choose (losing) your job, you will not be eligible for unemployment benefits in some places.

How cool is that.?
Very.
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Old 11th October 2021, 03:07 AM   #525
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Aaaaah, Bubba, my good fellow, have you finished reading that Zelenko paper yet? And digesting the flaws in it? Let us know your thoughts on it?
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Old 11th October 2021, 03:09 AM   #526
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In other news...Ethyl mercury still isn't methyl mercury.

And 2 year old bairn complains that it didn't consent to the flavour of baby food its mother fed it. Nor to being fed baby food of any sort.
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Old 11th October 2021, 04:19 AM   #527
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The MMR vaccines that I received as a child, without my consent, contained thimerosal, which itself contained a mercury compound. Mercury is highly neurotoxic.
Why I myself was regularly exposed to chlorine as a child in my family's own swimming pool. It's a wonder I'm not dead.

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The hubris coupled with the abject ignorance and possible malfeasance of the people who made these decisions is astounding.
I'm pretty astounded by the hubris you show in thinking that you know better than millions of doctors and biochemists the world over, as well as your ignorance in not understanding that ethylmercury clears from the body fairly quickly, and the dose administered in the MMR vaccines in the past was extremely small. You have far more methylmercury ( the really toxic type) in your body right now just from the environment.
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Old 11th October 2021, 04:53 AM   #528
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Hey Tippet, do you ever have salt with your food? Don’t you known salt is sodium chloride and sodium explodes in contact with water? And it can cause chemical burns on human skin?!
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Old 11th October 2021, 04:56 AM   #529
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Hey Tippet, do you ever have salt with your food? Don’t you known salt is sodium chloride and sodium explodes in contact with water? And it can cause chemical burns on human skin?!

And chlorine was used in chemical warfare!!!!111!!Eleven11!!!


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Old 11th October 2021, 05:00 AM   #530
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And chlorine was used in chemical warfare!!!!111!!Eleven11!!!


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Forget the chlorine...anyone seen what sodium does in contact with water? And what percentage of the human body is water?
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Old 11th October 2021, 05:01 AM   #531
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Hey Tippet, do you ever have salt with your food? Don’t you known salt is sodium chloride and sodium explodes in contact with water? And it can cause chemical burns on human skin?!
Aaaaargh.....ninjaed
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Old 11th October 2021, 05:25 AM   #532
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Another . . . .
Crock of bull **** Bubbaisms.

You are over your head

I reason that Biden and Putin likely took the vaccine because they are smart, and it isn't likely they fall for cement-headed anti-vaxisms. I reason that Trump took it because he had the 'rona, nearly croaked from it, and is scared **** less to get it again.

That's my reasoning, uncolored by CT-er paranoia and and their manipulative media.
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Old 11th October 2021, 05:29 AM   #533
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If you're referring to the approved medical treatment for preventing covid, you should say so rather than making a fool of yourself.
I support the inalienable right of every American to make a fool of itself.

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People who get exposed to (and survive, admittedly) the wild virus get what is called in germ theory "sterilizing immunity", which is superior to non-sterilizing "immunity" offered by the leaky mRNA experimental therapies. The people who obtain sterilizing immunity are not responsible for mutating viruses, because the virus is utterly deactivated in them!
Now that's what people are talking about when they speak of "highly concentrated bollocks".

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The problem, is that you and all of the other nascent totalitarians who seek to force vaccine mandates upon everyone, is that you don't know everything.
Last I checked, no one knows everything. The real problem is that so many people who know next to nothing think they know next to everything.

Allow me to point out that Tippit has been citing an IFR that has some scientific basis:
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We know the Infection Fatality Rate of (let me repeat it) .0026.
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You can repeat that as many times as you like, it won't make it true.
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Oh really? What is the IFR then?
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We'll never know exactly, but most likely somewhere between 0.5% and 1%.

From Christian Staerk, Tobias Wistuba & Andreas Mayr, Estimating effective infection fatality rates during the course of the COVID-19 pandemic in Germany, BMC Public Health volume 21, Article number: 1073 (2021):
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....a completed study from the early phase of the pandemic in the high-prevalence region of Gangelt, Heinsberg, reports an estimated population-averaged IFR of 0.41% (95% confidence interval [0.33%; 0.52%]), based on 8 observed deaths until 20th of April 2020 [2]. Overviews of completed studies from a wide range of countries can for example be found in [3] and [4]. The meta-analysis of Meyerowitz-Katz et al. [3] yields an estimated population-averaged IFR of 0.68% [0.53%; 0.82%], while in the meta-analysis of Ioannidis [4] estimated population-averaged IFRs range from 0.02% to 0.86% with a median IFR of 0.26%.
The median IFR I highlighted is Tippit's .0026 expressed as a percentage. Perhaps those who have been objecting to Tippit's .0026 have been reading that number as though it were followed by a percentage sign. (It is also possible that Tippit occasionally places a percentage sign after that number, but I don't recall any instances of that.)

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I don't think you understand what virtue signaling means. However, I am not virtue signaling, I just want you to leave me the **** alone, and leave my health decisions to me.
To paraphrase Spinal Tap: It's such a fine line between virtue signalling and stupid signalling.

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As I have never seen IFR expressed as anything other than a percentage I had indeed assumed that was what Tippit meant, yes.

ETA: an IFR 5 to ten times worse than the flu is bad enough, but that of course is across the entire population. It's much higher for the elderly and those with existing health conditions. So either those two groups are going to have to limit their social interactions, or those who choose to stay unvaccinated are going to have to have theirs limited.
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Old 11th October 2021, 05:43 AM   #535
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Originally Posted by Bubba View Post
Choose between jab or your job.

Technically not forcing anyone. (congrats, you win) Try convincing someone of that, who took the jab to stay employed/feed family.

Also if you choose (losing) your job, you will not be eligible for unemployment benefits in some places.

How cool is that.?
It seems to be working. Delta Airlines had compliance in the high 90s. The New York School system did as well. We have to end the pandemic and the vaccines are the way to do that. Don't like it? Tough. Now we're going to get kids vaccinated too and start cutting down on spread in schools. That will go more slowly because of stupid parents but we'll at least start on it.
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Old 11th October 2021, 05:45 AM   #537
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I just want you to leave me the **** alone, and leave my health decisions to me.
If you were shooting heroin in the privacy of your home, I might be inclined to agree. But COVID-19 is a communicable disease, so your decisions regarding it affect the health of others as well.You're like someone complaining that he can't drive as fast as he wants to on public roads and arguing that it's his health at risk, so it should be his decision, but remaining oblivious to the fact that he isn't putting only his own health at risk by driving through town at 100 mph.
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Old 11th October 2021, 05:57 AM   #538
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I don't think you understand what virtue signaling means. However, I am not virtue signaling, I just want you to leave me the **** alone, and leave my health decisions to me.
No one cares. Get the shot. I will casually sacrifice your "freedoms" for an end to the pandemic.
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Originally Posted by Bubba View Post
Newspeak 2021 . . .
Clearly. Like idiots throwing around the terms Marxism, communism and socialism when they don't have the first clue as to what they mean. Hilarious, right?
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Choose between jab or your job.

Technically not forcing anyone. (congrats, you win) Try convincing someone of that, who took the jab to stay employed/feed family.

Also if you choose (losing) your job, you will not be eligible for unemployment benefits in some places.

How cool is that.?
Very cool. Idiots seem to only know the right thing to do when someone forces them. Shouldn't be so in this case but cement-headed anti-vaxxers force the smart people to take harsher methods. If I weren't retired, I'd be ecstatic that my company was doing the correct thing in firing the unsafe workers as they would in any other situation. Give them the option to be safe and when they do not, get rid of them.

Very cool.
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Originally Posted by Tippit
I just want you to leave me the **** alone, and leave my health decisions to me.
I'd gladly leave all anti-vaxxers alone to their own island where they'd eventually just go away.

But we can't do that, so the mandates will have to do.
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Just in case anyone was still thinking that ivermectin might have some use agin Covid, we have this update - https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/ive...ud-everywhere/

Oh dear...

ETA tl;dr So much of the "research" showing "positive" effects for ivermectin is problematic to the point of outright fraud that one might wonder what the motivation is for claiming those "positive" effects.

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As I have never seen IFR expressed as anything other than a percentage I had indeed assumed that was what Tippit meant, yes.
Sometimes I express the number as a percentage, and sometimes not, when I feel like the audience is innumerate, and doesn't fully understand how safe you, and the vast majority of people are from Covid. Fractional real numbers not expressed as a % appear smaller, which is the intended effect.

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ETA: an IFR 5 to ten times worse than the flu is bad enough, but that of course is across the entire population. It's much higher for the elderly and those with existing health conditions. So either those two groups are going to have to limit their social interactions, or those who choose to stay unvaccinated are going to have to have theirs limited.
Huh? Covid has an IFR of only 2.6x Influenza which is .1% Since it's clear to anyone with a brain that this virus is endemic, and that everyone will be exposed and infected at some point, my advice is not to limit any social interactions, and stop living in fear. Get busy living, or get busy dying.
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No one cares. Get the shot. I will casually sacrifice your "freedoms" for an end to the pandemic.
I'm well aware totalitarians don't care about freedom. Get shot.
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Just in case anyone was still thinking that ivermectin might have some use agin Covid, we have this update - https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/ive...ud-everywhere/

Oh dear...

ETA tl;dr So much of the "research" showing "positive" effects for ivermectin is problematic to the point of outright fraud that one might wonder what the motivation is for claiming those "positive" effects.
Here's an anti-vaxx knucklehead who is nearly dead wrong about HCQ and horse paste.
https://www.sorryantivaxxer.com/post...ick-with-covid

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According to this article Allen and his wife Angela have come down with COVID and he has been taking Hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin at home. Today he clarified that his wife is recently vaccinated and that he is most likely headed to the hospital.
Being cement-headed to own the libs smart people.
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If you were shooting heroin in the privacy of your home, I might be inclined to agree. But COVID-19 is a communicable disease, so your decisions regarding it affect the health of others as well.You're like someone complaining that he can't drive as fast as he wants to on public roads and arguing that it's his health at risk, so it should be his decision, but remaining oblivious to the fact that he isn't putting only his own health at risk by driving through town at 100 mph.
The problem is that you have both a warped (as the result of innumeracy) ability to understand and assess risk, coupled with the hubris to claim that there are no risks to speak of by exposing the entire population of the world to an experimental gene therapy.
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I support the inalienable right of every American to make a fool of itself.
Proceeds to type a lot of nonsense proving that I was correct.
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Sigh . . .

Driver's licenses
Hunting licenses
Fishing licenses
Helmet laws
Seatbelt laws
OSHA regulations
School vaccine mandates already in place
CCW permit licensing
Speed limits
Pilots licences
Agricultural checkpoints
No shirts no shoes no service
Drug tests
Field sobriety tests
Etc, etc, etc.

But a life saving vaccine . . . Bring on the fainting couch for these snowflakes. Horrors, look at that teeny-tiny needle!!!

Wimps.
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Why I myself was regularly exposed to chlorine as a child in my family's own swimming pool. It's a wonder I'm not dead.
Durrrrr, good analogy.

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I'm pretty astounded by the hubris you show in thinking that you know better than millions of doctors and biochemists the world over, as well as your ignorance in not understanding that ethylmercury clears from the body fairly quickly, and the dose administered in the MMR vaccines in the past was extremely small. You have far more methylmercury ( the really toxic type) in your body right now just from the environment.

The Comparable Dangers of Ethylmercury and Methylmercury

So we have numerous historical examples of people being injured and dying from exposure to ethylmercury fungicide. Are you willing to join the other clever hyenas in pretending that it's a safe as the compound table salt?

I fully support your right to load up on ethylmercury. However, I don't believe you when you claim it's harmless, as I don't think you know what the **** you're talking about, and I would appreciate it if you stop advocating for decisions that negatively affect the public health of billions.
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RFK jr is your source? Ugh.

I would remind people that Thimerosal was used in contact lens solution for years and years. It was only dropped when the technology bypassed its need, not for any health concerns.

There were issues with people possibly having allergies to the stuff (which resulted in irritated eyes, not mercury poisoning, in which case there was much more expensive and clunky Thimerosal free solution (which had to be in a spray can rather than a plastic bottle).

Thimerosal is still used in a lot of make-up products, although I admit I am less familiar with their usage there.
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... I would appreciate it if you stop advocating for decisions that negatively affect the public health of billions.
Words fail me.
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I do. In fact, I wouldn't live in America right now if you paid me, especially Florida. Nothing could convince me. I want to go back to visit one day, because it's nice and there's some stuff I'd like to see, but to live there? Nope. Never in a million years. I'm much better off here with my police-state socialised medicine and my police-state lack of school shootings and my police-state beaches that I'll be able to go to again this summer. What did you do over summer, Tippit?
I did what I've done every summer, enjoy the good life. Maybe if you turned of the "telly", took off your mask, and got off the couch, you would have too.

Please, stay away from Florida. You have a heightened risk of getting shot by school children.

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Do you want to know what it's really like to live here? You're welcome to ask. Here's one little fact I'll give you for free: my lockdown is being lifted at the end of this week. Lockdown in New South Wales - the state that was worst hit by Delta - was lifted yesterday. If this is a police state, then the police are setting everyone free.
Thanks Australian police!

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Spoken like a true American. Don't tread on me. I've got mine Jack. Did you know that America is the most individualistic and the least collectivist country on Earth? You don't care about anything unless it directly affects you. Community immunity? **** that. I'll take care of mine and screw the rest of you.
If you say so. I prefer to think that I decide who and what I care about, not a band of virtue signaling social media do-gooders. As for individualism vs. collectivism, I will take individualism every time. It just so happens that the "most individualistic country on earth", according to you, by some unknown metric, also happens to be one of the most charitable.

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Wow. It's not often that someone openly admits to using Orwellian tactics to influence people. You do know that that's not generally understood to be a good thing, right? Orwell is not typically considered to be the most Utopian of social commentators.
Since you are obviously confused, I was accusing people like you who call experimental gene therapies "vaccines" of using newspeak, and I was rectifying that by refusing to use said language. I oppose newspeak. But apparently that wasn't obvious.
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Old 11th October 2021, 08:37 AM   #553
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RFK jr is your source? Ugh.

I would remind people that Thimerosal was used in contact lens solution for years and years. It was only dropped when the technology bypassed its need, not for any health concerns.

There were issues with people possibly having allergies to the stuff (which resulted in irritated eyes, not mercury poisoning, in which case there was much more expensive and clunky Thimerosal free solution (which had to be in a spray can rather than a plastic bottle).

Thimerosal is still used in a lot of make-up products, although I admit I am less familiar with their usage there.
By all means, consume as much of it as you like. Don't forget to drink as much unfiltered tap water as you can throw down your gullet. Arsenic and fluoride are also very beneficial, and have absolutely no long term cumulative toxic effects. While you're at it, don't buy organic produce. It's much more expensive, and probably doesn't contain glyphosate, which does wonders for your skin!

Basically, you're invulnerable. Now go get that 4th booster shot, you champion.
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Old 11th October 2021, 08:38 AM   #554
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The problem is that you have both a warped (as the result of innumeracy) ability to understand and assess risk, coupled with the hubris to claim that there are no risks to speak of by exposing the entire population of the world to an experimental gene therapy.
Someone learned a new word. It's no 'tergiversate", but I'm sure you can get some mileage out of it _ especially when people point out your own failure to comprehend the statistics you reference.

The COVID-19 vaccines are not experimental gene therapies any more than a minute amount of ethylmercury is going to give you brain damage, no matter how many times you repeat that lie. So you'll have to find another culprit to blame for your claimed neurological issues.

You're no different than every other conspiracy theorist, from Apollo landing deniers to flat earthers. This is simply about you clinging to a construct that lets you claim to be one of the few people smart enough to see through a big lie that most everyone else is too dim and/or complacent to perceive - even to the point of telling everyone just how wrong all the actual experts are.

So which is it? Are millions of health-care experts the world over all just that dim compared to you? Or are they all complicit in order that some U.S. hospitals might get government subsidies for treating COVID-19 patients?
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Old 11th October 2021, 08:41 AM   #555
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No one in their right mind wants to live in AU right now. . . .
Source? Link? Data? Poll? Rhetoric?
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Old 11th October 2021, 08:47 AM   #556
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As I have never seen IFR expressed as anything other than a percentage I had indeed assumed that was what Tippit meant, yes.
I assumed Tippit was not referring to a percentage since he didn't put a percent sign after it and it would be ridiculously low otherwise. And it's not an unreasonable estimate for a global IFR due to the age skew. My estimate is around .006 or .6% for the USA and UK. I have seen IFR rates in publications expressed as an absolute, that is not a percentage.

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ETA: an IFR 5 to ten times worse than the flu is bad enough, but that of course is across the entire population. It's much higher for the elderly and those with existing health conditions. So either those two groups are going to have to limit their social interactions, or those who choose to stay unvaccinated are going to have to have theirs limited.
In tracking cases per 100k by age group it was clear that after April 2020, people over 65 were getting covid less frequently than prior to that date. Likely because they can more easily respond to NPIs being mostly retired. If the same number of covid infections were evenly distributed, I'd estimate 1M deaths in the USA v .7M.
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Old 11th October 2021, 08:49 AM   #557
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The MMR vaccines that I received as a child, without my consent...
I just wanted to come back to this because I think it's hilarious. Can anyone imagine having to obtain consent from a four year old (2nd dose), or even a one year old (first dose), for any sort of health treatment?

"Yeah, so my four-year-old kid needs an appendectomy, but I can't get him to consent because he doesn't like going to the doctor."

I'm sure it sounded all WIlliam Wallace "our freedom" to Tippit when it came out, but it's actually pretty silly that he's saying that he should have consented to a medical treatment as a young child.
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Originally Posted by Paul2 View Post
Source? Link? Data? Poll? Rhetoric?
I'm sure all the ones who would be fine with living in Australia also put sugar on their porridge.
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Sometimes I express the number as a percentage, and sometimes not, when I feel like the audience is innumerate, and doesn't fully understand how safe you, and the vast majority of people are from Covid.
For the record, my degree is in Mathematics.

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Huh? Covid has an IFR of 2.6x Influenza which is .1%
Covid most likely has an IFR between 0.5% and 1%, which is 5 to 10 times that of flu.

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Since it's clear to anyone with a brain that this virus is endemic, and that everyone will be exposed and infected at some point, my advice is not to limit any social interactions, and stop living in fear. Get busy living, or get busy dying.
If everyone continues to mix freely with everyone else then yes, most people will be exposed and infected at some point if the virus is endemic.

For the most vulnerable - those most at risk of serious illness and death even if vaccinated, and those who (through no fault of their own) cannot be vaccinated - the only way to reduce their chances of catching it is to avoid those most likely to infect them, i.e. those who choose not to be vaccinated. Which, if the unvaccinated are allowed to go wherever they like and do whatever jobs they like, essentially means remaining in permanent lockdown; never visiting crowded public places, never getting on a plane etc.

So one of those two groups of people - the unvaccinated or the vulnerable - will end up having their social interactions limited. I know which I would prefer it to be.
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You're no different than every other conspiracy theorist, from Apollo landing deniers to flat earthers. This is simply about you clinging to a construct that lets you claim to be one of the few people smart enough to see through a big lie that most everyone else is too dim and/or complacent to perceive - even to the point of telling everyone just how wrong all the actual experts are.
Really? The Apollo landing is mostly irrelevant in 2021. No one cares, least of all me. Flat earth theory is easily debunked by the fact that the North Star (Polaris) is not visible more than a few degrees past the equator, and those few degrees are due to the light-bending effect of the atmosphere. So no, I am different than other conspiracy theorists, you just like to associate all of the worst ones together so that you never have to think.

The New World Order conspiracy, however, is not only relevant, but it's likely. Your perspective on how likely it is is determined by how much research you have done, which in your case I am sure is nil. Many other conspiracies, such as health conspiracies, and Malthusian population control conspiracies, are influenced by this one.

There are likely no extraterrestrial aliens visiting us, and flat earth is geometrically impossible, but there really is a supranational order of bankers and financiers who have gamed our corrupt monetary system since roughly 1694, wield immense power, and want useless eaters like you dead. I've read their documents.

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So which is it? Are millions of health-care experts the world over all just that dim compared to you? Or are they all complicit in order that some U.S. hospitals might get government subsidies for treating COVID-19 patients?
It's not that simple, because unlike people like you who think the experimental gene therapies carry zero risk with absolute certainty, very few things in life are actually certain, and there is much that we don't know or understand.

First of all, not every "health-care expert" agrees with you. Second of all, among those that do, it's not necessarily a function of them being unintelligent, but rather unwise and/or dishonest. I've learned and experienced many things which have rendered the opinions of "experts" useless and/or harmful to me. Most of these "experts" are in the fields of health, and especially money.

I don't expect people like you to appreciate or understand this. Faith in experts, is almost religious-like.
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