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Old 22nd May 2015, 05:27 AM   #1
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One of the Duggars from TLC's 19 Kids and Counting may be a sexual predator

Surprised no one's posted about this yet:

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Josh Duggar has apologized following reports that he was investigated for allegedly sexually molesting five underage girls, some of whom are his sisters.

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According to police reports obtained by In Touch, family patriarch Jim Bob Duggar allegedly waited more than a year before he turned in his then-teenage son over to Arkansas State Police for sex offenses, including forcible fondling. Due to a strange turn of events, the magazine reported that police were unable to conclude their investigation of the case, and the three-year statute of limitations prevented them from further pursuing any charges.
He's pretty much admitted that it happened, but the statute of limitations being out means he can't be prosecuted for it. However, there appears to be a double standard being exercised by the channel responsible for the show Josh Duggar appears on, 19 Kids and Counting, that being TLC. One of their other famous shows, the asinine Honey Boo Boo, was removed from the air when it was revealed that one of the people on the show was arrested for being a sexual predator. One has to wonder why they have not (at least, as of yet) made the same move for 19 Kids and Counting, and finally removed this waste of television programming from the airwaves.

I'll be honest; I vastly dislike the show. I think it's asinine (albeit slightly less so than Honey Boo Boo) and cheap exploitation of young children who don't know any better by avaricious parents and television executives, and I absolutely despise the Duggar parents for putting their children through what they do and not act in their children's best interests (there's evidence that all Michelle does is pop out the kids and then essentially turn them over to the older children for caretaking, a move which is not healthy for either the younger kids or the older kids). I also despise their so-called Quiverfull movement, which advocates that women essentially remain "barefoot and pregnant", to borrow a phrase, not use birth control, and turn over all control over their lives and well-being to their husband, who can essentially do as he pleases with minimal consequences. But the main reason I get angry over this is that it was essentially all swept under the rug until recently, and while Josh Duggar was a kid himself when he did it, unless he's had years of therapy since, those urges are very likely still there, and he now has three children, a fourth on the way, and can get access to his younger siblings as well, a move he's already pulled if the report is to be believed. It sickens me to think that this family still has access to the public via their show and present themselves as though butter wouldn't melt in their mouths when apparently in reality, they let their kids get away with felonies and think a few months of manual labor will be enough to train it out of them. I'm willing to bet that Josh Duggar still has those urges, and if given the opportunity, I'd also be willing to bet he'd act on them to this day. TLC needs to get their damn act together and remove this show from the channel; I only wish that Josh Duggar could also get arrested for this, because he seriously needs help he's not getting from his family.
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Old 22nd May 2015, 05:51 AM   #2
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Originally Posted by Sabrina View Post
Surprised no one's posted about this yet:











He's pretty much admitted that it happened, but the statute of limitations being out means he can't be prosecuted for it. However, there appears to be a double standard being exercised by the channel responsible for the show Josh Duggar appears on, 19 Kids and Counting, that being TLC. One of their other famous shows, the asinine Honey Boo Boo, was removed from the air when it was revealed that one of the people on the show was arrested for being a sexual predator.


Not quite. The situation was that the mother was found to have been dating (or spending analogous time with) a man just released from a prison term for molestation - with the added factor that the girl he molested was one of her older daughters. The show was canceled because TLC felt the mother maintaining close contact with this person placed her daughters (including the still young victim) in immediate danger. It also took a couple of days for TLC to make the decision.



In the Duggar case, the molester is now an adult and doesn't live with the rest of the children IIRC; but either way, the news just broke yesterday, too soon to have expected a response from TLC.
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Old 22nd May 2015, 06:10 AM   #3
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When you have such a large population sample.....
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The heavily redacted (but still extremely disturbing) police report is embedded on this page.

Now I'm not a genius and don't claim to have all the answers, but I suspect that sending Josh to a family friend to help him remodel some houses, and then having a state trooper (who was later jailed for 56 years for child pornography) give him a "stern talking to" may not be sufficient punishment/reparation for what appears to be a pattern of behaviour that persisted for a long time.

Just another repulsive, dysfunctional, hypocritical family, chasing fame and fortune at the expense of their children's mental and physical health.
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Old 22nd May 2015, 06:32 AM   #5
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Z list nobody makes noise for being an ass, TMZ drools for the next cycle and we all forget about him shortly.
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I've learned of so many stories like this that I'm not sure it's possible to avoid weird sexual stuff in these super-large families. There's this juxtaposition between extreme sexual repression among the coming-of-age kids and the parents who must be screwing like rabbits on a regular basis. There must be a powder keg of sexual tension under that roof for the teenagers and it doesn't surprise me in the least that it's sufficient to send at least one of them down a path of criminal deviancy. While he's the perpetrator of these crimes that might end up scarring his victims for the rest of their lives, he's also a victim of his parents' selfish hubris steeped in sanctimonious pseudo-morality based on Iron-Age patriarchies.
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Old 22nd May 2015, 06:48 AM   #7
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One of the Duggars from TLC's 19 Kids and Counting may be a sexual predator

I had honestly hoped that the story wasn't true when I first heard it yesterday, but after the family statements, clearly this is real. I personally find no joy in vilifying someone for things they did as a young teenager. I'm sure we all have things in our past that we wouldn't be happy with coming to light.

However, this family has made a good living off of telling others what great Christians they are, as well as demonizing the GLBT community as child molesters. They have very publicly stated that all transgender folk are child molesters. My #1 issue with organized religion is the hypocrisy that I see within.

I hope that all involved will be able to get whatever help they need to get beyond these events.

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Old 22nd May 2015, 06:59 AM   #8
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Originally Posted by The Mutha View Post
I had honestly hoped that the story wasn't true when I first heard it yesterday, but after the family statements, clearly this is real. I personally find no joy in vilifying someone for things they did as a young teenager. I'm sure we all have things in our past that we wouldn't be happy with coming to light.

However, this family has made a good living off of telling others what great Christians they are, as well as demonizing the GLBT community as child molesters. They have very publicly stated that all transgender folk are child molesters. My #1 issue with organized religion is the hypocrisy that I see within.

I hope that all involved will be able to get whatever help they need to get beyond these events.
I think that's one of the things that irks me the most about this whole situation. The implication of the articles I've read is that everything was focused on Josh Duggar; he was portrayed as the victim, they talked about getting him help (although I fail to see how a few months of manual labor is "help" in this instance, but I digress), but where was the help for his victims? Especially his sisters, whom he admits he fondled? Why weren't they given the help they needed? I just... HATE that this family acts so holier-than-thou while letting their kids be subjected to abuse by a family member and then shoves everything under the rug and ignores the girls' pain in favor of their son's issues. I realize women are second-class citizens to them, but how can any woman be okay with letting her daughters suffer in silence like this? Oh but I forget; this is the woman who treats her vagina like a clown car and thinks it's perfectly okay to keep popping out kids and then forcing her older children to care for them. *shudders*
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One of the Duggars from TLC's 19 Kids and Counting may be a sexual predator

Purely speculation on my part, but the oldest Duggar daughter is not yet married and I sincerely hope that it's not a consequence of these events. Hopefully she hasn't been treated as stained by her brother's actions and therefore not marriage material in the Quiverful Movement.
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I had honestly hoped that the story wasn't true when I first heard it yesterday, but after the family statements, clearly this is real. I personally find no joy in vilifying someone for things they did as a young teenager. I'm sure we all have things in our past that we wouldn't be happy with coming to light.
This strikes me as a false equivalency. The person, who was not a young teenager but 15, sexually molested not one but four of his sisters who at the time were 8-13 years old (there was one more sister at that time, a 5yo and I'm hoping like hell she wasn't one of the four not that it makes matters any better) and a fifth child. It wasn't a one off, it was a repeated pattern of behavior. His parents covered it up. I don't know what your skeletons are like but mine are impressed with the rattling in the Duggar closet.
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Old 22nd May 2015, 08:05 AM   #11
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And people ask me why I don't have TV.
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Originally Posted by Agatha View Post
The heavily redacted (but still extremely disturbing) police report is embedded on this page.

Now I'm not a genius and don't claim to have all the answers, but I suspect that sending Josh to a family friend to help him remodel some houses, and then having a state trooper (who was later jailed for 56 years for child pornography) give him a "stern talking to" may not be sufficient punishment/reparation for what appears to be a pattern of behaviour that persisted for a long time.

Just another repulsive, dysfunctional, hypocritical family, chasing fame and fortune at the expense of their children's mental and physical health.
Helped and abetted by a **** ridden cable channel that has forgotten it's past and looks forward proudly to a future as LCD ******* provider to the nation. **** them with a redhot godemiche!!!!!
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And people ask me why I don't have TV.
You don't have a TV? Why don't you have a TV?
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He was 14. He was a minor. Sex hormones are powerful things. He made a mistake and now 10 years later he's a married adult with no repeat offenses.

Whence the outrage?
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Well...

A) In his public "apology" he says it was 12 years ago and he's now 27. By my math that means he was 15. Could have started at 14.

B) It wasn't "a" mistake. It was a minimum of five "mistakes" with five different children ages 8-13.

C) Absolutely sex hormones are a powerful thing. Had them myself at 14/15. I was still pretty clear that I shouldn't touch my 8-13yo brothers' penises.

D) No idea whether or not there were repeat offenses as an adult. He repeated at least five times in adolescence. Statistically it wouldn't be surprising if there were others since.

E) Can't imagine why peeps are outraged...
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You don't have a TV? Why don't you have a TV?

It's not as though TLC is the only channel and this is the only show that airs. Condemning all of television based on one show (or even several shows) is a little extreme.

I don't watch any reality shows, except for cooking competitions on Food Network and Bravo and the stage magic and FX makeup competitions on SyFy, but there's a lot of other entertainment available.
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When you have such a large population sample.....
Thank God none of them are gay!
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Strange family indeed. I saw the mother interviewed once and came to the conclusion she may be borderline retarded.

I am always mystified why anyone cares to watch midgets, huge resource gobbling families, quasi invented celebrities.....why?
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It's not as though TLC is the only channel and this is the only show that airs. Condemning all of television based on one show (or even several shows) is a little extreme.

I don't watch any reality shows, except for cooking competitions on Food Network and Bravo and the stage magic and FX makeup competitions on SyFy, but there's a lot of other entertainment available.
NASA's education channel is my background noise of choice.
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Not surprising in a culture where females are considered of no value except for breeding.
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He was 14. He was a minor. Sex hormones are powerful things. He made a mistake and now 10 years later he's a married adult with no repeat offenses.

Whence the outrage?
Did you miss the part where some of his molestees were his sisters?
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1) the Taco Bell chihuahua
2) honey booboo and all the other "reality" shows
3) after 9/11 I no longer felt even tv news appropriate stimulus for my children

My boys are playing Halo on a big flat screen Nintendo and Netflix monitor. And bursting out in show tunes celebrating when one kills the other.
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Not surprising in a culture where females are considered of no value except for breeding.
That is the root of it.

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I think that's one of the things that irks me the most about this whole situation. The implication of the articles I've read is that everything was focused on Josh Duggar; he was portrayed as the victim, they talked about getting him help (although I fail to see how a few months of manual labor is "help" in this instance, but I digress), but where was the help for his victims? Especially his sisters, whom he admits he fondled? Why weren't they given the help they needed?
To be fair, he had some construction experience and none of the girls did.
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Purely speculation on my part, but the oldest Duggar daughter is not yet married ....
Maybe she is Lesbian?
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One of the Duggars from TLC's 19 Kids and Counting may be a sexual predator

There is NO maybe about it. He admitted it. Absolutely lacking any grey area. Still no mention of the affect on his sisters, who obviously don't matter.

I'd wager the counseling he received was "Make sure no one witnesses what you do, you moron".
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TLC has pulled the show off the air, consistent with the precedent they set last year.
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I feel bad for him. He was 15.
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I feel a hell of a lot more 'bad' for the victims, one of whom may have been between 3 and 5 years old, and all of whom appear to have had no counselling other than being encouraged to forgive their abuser.
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I feel bad for him. He was 15.
Really?

It's not like he was 15 and caught shoplifting.
It's not like he was 15 and boosted a car to go joyriding.

He was 15 and touching his little sisters' vaginas.
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I feel bad for him. He was 15.


Between 15 and 18; apparently we're talking about several victims over a period of time, not some one-time indiscretion.
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Did you miss the part where some of his molestees were his sisters?
No. Did you miss the part where he was a child? Did you miss the part where we treat juvenile offenders differently because their brain chemistry is different from that of adults and that they may lack empathy as a result? Did you miss the part where there have been no repeat offenses in the intervening 12 years?

Your moral outrage is as irrational as it is misplaced.
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Strange family indeed. I saw the mother interviewed once and came to the conclusion she may be borderline retarded.

I am always mystified why anyone cares to watch midgets, huge resource gobbling families, quasi invented celebrities.....why?
Obviously the watchers are absorbed by watching those people better than they are. Clearly they wish to improve their lot in life!!!
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You don't have a TV? Why don't you have a TV?
You just had to ask...............
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1) the Taco Bell chihuahua
2) honey booboo and all the other "reality" shows
3) after 9/11 I no longer felt even tv news appropriate stimulus for my children

My boys are playing Halo on a big flat screen Nintendo and Netflix monitor. And bursting out in show tunes celebrating when one kills the other.
I think the show tunes thing is totally cool!!!
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No. Did you miss the part where he was a child? Did you miss the part where we treat juvenile offenders differently because their brain chemistry is different from that of adults and that they may lack empathy as a result? Did you miss the part where there have been no repeat offenses in the intervening 12 years?



Did you miss the part where he's in no danger of facing any legal consequences whatsoever?
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Old 22nd May 2015, 12:46 PM   #36
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Not surprising in a culture where females are considered of no value except for breeding.
Check out this I recently posted in another thread. It is quite appropriate re:your post!!!

http://www.belladonna.org/Gynotopia/feminists.html
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Did you miss the part where he's in no danger of facing any legal consequences whatsoever?
Your opinion is that an adult should be prosecuted for offenses committed when he was a child, more than a decade ago? I don't follow this line of reasoning.
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Originally Posted by Vortigern99 View Post
Your opinion is that an adult should be prosecuted for offenses committed when he was a child, more than a decade ago? I don't follow this line of reasoning.


That's not my opinion at all. It was a straight question - you know that this man's freedom is not threatened in any way by these revelations, right? Mike Huckabee is publicly defending him. He is not going to have a problem finding a future among people who are eager to forgive and forget.



His victims, on the other hand...but then, that's always the story.
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Did you miss the part where there have been no repeat offenses in the intervening 12 years?
How do we know that? It was swept under the rug with no charges when he did it as a teen, then took over a decade to become public?

I don't know of any evidence there have been further offenses, but the lack of charges isn't the evidence it would've been prior to the discovery it had been covered up once before for him.
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Like I said above, a few months of manual labor are not enough to make those sorts of urges go away. He may have been able to repress them through now, but history has shown that once a predator, always a predator. Just because he hasn't had the opportunity or has managed to find the willpower to not perform such acts in the intervening years (as far as we know; I'd bet victims are going to be coming out of the woodwork now that it's public knowledge, and even if some of them are merely glory hounds, it's just as likely that some of them are true), doesn't make him any less of a predator.

I am not and have never advocated that he be prosecuted for his actions from however long ago it was, although I abhorred the fact that his family swept it under the rug and ignored or otherwise belittled the pain of his victims in favor of their precious son's issues, but I freely admit I believe that there should have been some consequences for his actions besides a "stern talking-to" by a now-convicted child pornography possessor and a few months of manual labor. I also abhor that his hypocritical family has gotten away with allowing him to avoid the consequences of his actions while still acting holier-than-thou and advocating how transgender and homosexuals are clearly the child predators that must be kept far away from precious children, all the while sheltering and harboring an admitted child predator under their roof and in their bosom, and being given a platform to spout their hypocritical views via the notoriety brought to them by the TLC producers.

Right now I'll have to be satisfied with TLC pulling the show (and about damn time I'd say) and the resignation he submitted to whatever committee or organization he was the head of, but there is a part of me that, as a woman, is literally SCREAMING to get him away from children, because I am well aware that he could easily do such a horrible thing again. My outrage in this matter is reserved entirely for the fact that he CANNOT be prosecuted for his actions because of the statute of limitations and over the fact that his victims were likely forced to forgive him for his actions all the while having their own pain and fear apparently utterly ignored simply because they are girls rather than boys. It is an utter travesty that those girls have been forced to bottle up their feelings over what that bastard did to them and "forgive" him, and I truly wish that someone would come along and take away those children from both Michelle and Jim-Bob Duggar and their child predator of a son, because in my opinion, none of them deserve the title of parent.
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