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Old 21st December 2019, 02:54 PM   #81
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Nothing compared to what Canberra and Sydney are going through...

...but, the smell of smoke here is acrid, and it's affecting my eyes (causing them to water).

Praise be, to the medical scientists who invented, make and distribute my current asthma medication.
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Old 21st December 2019, 03:08 PM   #82
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Originally Posted by novaphile View Post
The CFS home page shows the status of all fires in South Australia:

https://www.cfs.sa.gov.au/site/home.jsp

I'm not close enough to have better info.
Thanks. I just heard from my sister that she is back home, the house is ok and the power restored.
Apparently the fire service did a fantastic job, but the area around Lobethal is a mess.
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Old 22nd December 2019, 01:56 AM   #83
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Originally Posted by Elaedith View Post
Thanks. I just heard from my sister that she is back home, the house is ok and the power restored.
Apparently the fire service did a fantastic job, but the area around Lobethal is a mess.
I'm glad she's OK.

On the evening news today, it has been reported that 75 homes have been destroyed.

There's some discussion that the fire may have been caused by a tree falling onto power lines.

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I've escaped Canberra for the next week or so. Can finally breathe some air that isn't totally polluted and it's just a light haze.
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Old 22nd December 2019, 10:38 AM   #86
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Did that burn its way up the cliff, or did a fire above the cliff throw embers down below?

Either way, that's an amazing thing to see. Not really amazing in a good way though. I saw it linked earlier yesterday on Facebook. I have a lot of friends that are wildland firefighters (I used to do that as well), they are posting some frightening images from Oz. My current employer (a U.S. federal agency) has sent some firefighters as well.

Scary situation.

I remember when I lived in a fire-prone area of California. When a fire would start in the area, at first it could be exciting - fire engines rolling in from everywhere, big fire camps set up at the fairgrounds or high schools (or both), slurry bombers zooming overhead. Good views of huge pyrocumulus columns. That's the first day or two. But then the smoke settles in and things drag out. Roads are closed, eyes and sinuses burn, and it just drags on and on and on. You can't see anything, everything is gray and brown and dreary - for weeks. And the fires where I lived were not so even close to being as severe as what much of Oz is seeing right now.

From what is worth, the Aussie government and firefighters seem to handle some things better than we Americans. Here you are lucky if they are publishing maps showing where the firelines were the previous day. I've known many an American firefighter who saw even that as an unnecessary burden ("we're firefighters, not IT specialists").

I saw a recent article showing how the Australian government is publishing maps from the fire modeling software showing where the firelines are expected to be in the next 24 to 48 hours - the closest one gets in America is text descriptions of which roads the fire might jump or reach each day. I wonder if the better public interface is partly why the death toll (tragic as it is) is not higher.

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Did that burn its way up the cliff, or did a fire above the cliff throw embers down below?
I've got exactly as much context for that as you do. It could have gone in either direction. A lot of the Blue Mountains is that kind of terrain, which is why fighting fires there is so hard.

Also I've got to say that Gladys Berejiklian is consistently showing better leadership during this time than Scott Morrison is.
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The NSW RFS is reporting that the total area burned is now 3.41 million hectares. Which for the metrically challenged is 8,426,293.508 acres.
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I knew what that was right away because I've been to the Blue Mountains and seen that cliff. I recall going there to see a waterfall.

What a bummer.
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This is all happening right next to us. That fire was only a few kms from our place the day before yesterday, literally down the end of one of our streets. It's the cliffs near Blackheath.

The smoke has been frightening - not the smell (smells like burning wood) but the density. For some hours we could not see the other side of the street! There's been fire engines and RFS trucks going everywhere.

Really weird weather too. Saturday was 44C (111F) at Wentworth Falls (about 6kms from the scene of the above fire) - a record for the area. Yesterday...it rained slightly and was maximum 14C (57F)! Today is also cool.

So for the last two days they have been doing tons of backburns (yay more smoke), containment lines, and using heavy equipment to clear power-line clearings of burnable fuel to create major fire-breaks.

And through all this, our PM continues to deny that climate change caused these fires. Disingenuous at best; criminal negligence at worst.
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Yesterday the temperature was great! A wonderful cool breeze that made me want to just open up all the doors and windows and air the place out.

But I couldn't.
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Hope this is gives an idea of the situation to our international members. This is a map centred on our house showing the coverage of the fires, just the ones near us.

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Hope this is gives an idea of the situation to our international members. This is a map centred on our house showing the coverage of the fires, just the ones near us.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...ictureid=12319
Sorry, but without some sort of legend I have little idea what that map shows. I expect the green areas are areas that have burned. Other than that I can’t make much of it.
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Sorry, but without some sort of legend I have little idea what that map shows. I expect the green areas are areas that have burned. Other than that I can’t make much of it.
If it helps, 10km, marked in red near the centre of the map, is a little less than six and a half miles. The whole map is about 56 miles across by my eyeball estimation. The map shows mostly national park - the faint yellow lines you can see on the right side of the map are major roads in the western suburbs of Sydney.
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Sorry, but without some sort of legend I have little idea what that map shows. I expect the green areas are areas that have burned. Other than that I can’t make much of it.
Indeed. The dark areas have been burned. I put a red 10km scale in to show the area. FWIW, the coloured diamonds are individual critical fire locations, showing their severity.

The map below is a wider view of the NSW coast - just one state. Other states are burning also. The dark areas are again the burned landscape. I have put a red arrow to show the location of the first map.

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If you want to see the actual website, it's here: https://www.rfs.nsw.gov.au/fire-info.../fires-near-me
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Again, if it helps, the coastline showing in the second map is approximately the same as the United States eastern seaboard from Georgia to Virginia.
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If you want to see the actual website, it's here: https://www.rfs.nsw.gov.au/fire-info.../fires-near-me
That is the link I gave yesterday here http://www.internationalskeptics.com...7#post12931697.

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That is the link I gave yesterday here http://www.internationalskeptics.com...7#post12931697.

Am I on ignore?
No, I simply forgot.
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Local media is currently reporting 86 homes lost in South Australia, and approximately 1,000 across Australia.

(Note: that is homes in terms of buildings that people live in, the cost in terms of livestock, crops, agricultural buildings, fencing, etc. is horrific and astronomical).
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Is pre-dry season brush clearing done there as the folks in California are encouraged to do?

We do it here every year and there is no regular brush fire risk.
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Is pre-dry season brush clearing done there as the folks in California are encouraged to do?

We do it here every year and there is no regular brush fire risk.
Usually, yes. This is done by backburns - pre-emptive controlled burns along areas that create dead zones that act as fire-breaks. But we are in the middle of a record-breaking drought. So when the bush is so dry and the conditions so unstable, backburns can quickly and easily get away and become bushfires themselves. This happened a few times in the last few weeks.

Also, our unique Australia bush has a number of plant and tree species that can survive bushfires, and even need fire to cause the seed-pods to split for regeneration.

Lastly, clearing the undergrowth is all well and good. But the big fires go through the crowns of the trees (the tree canopy), not along the ground. In windy conditions, these can start and travel much faster than you can run. It is frighteningly fast.

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This is heartbreaking.

https://amp.smh.com.au/environment/c...mpression=true
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Just to give background to this story, here's our Prime Minister, newly elected due to some idjits wanting more coal mines in their area, denying climate change is responsible for the drought and these fires.

https://news.sky.com/story/australia...liday-11892929
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In 2003 a bushfire hit Canberra. Here is a YouTube on the subject.

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My memory of the day was seeing the sky a strange colour and not understanding why. I was about 13 kilometers away from the fire. I also saw several water bombing helicopters flying.

My point is when there is a serious fire in Australia it is serious. These sort of things do not happen in other parts of the world. Not like Australia.
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Heartbreaking indeed. As children we were brought up to believe that Koalas would survive the most dire droughts simply by chewing a few eucalyptus leaves.

No problem, God will sort things out, as disgraced politician Barnaby Joyce intones.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/fede...25-p53mt4.html

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While PM Morrison brings a lump of coal into parliament which he caresses with a smirk on his face.
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Local media is currently reporting 86 homes lost in South Australia, and approximately 1,000 across Australia.

(Note: that is homes in terms of buildings that people live in, the cost in terms of livestock, crops, agricultural buildings, fencing, etc. is horrific and astronomical).
I grew up in Adelaide and always loved the hills. I visited Lobethal just over a year ago. It's tragic to see footage of large parts of the area burnt, and long-established businesses including vineyards and wineries destroyed.
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Just heard on the news up to 30% of Koalas in NSW may have died due to the fires.
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In 2003 a bushfire hit Canberra. Here is a YouTube on the subject.

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My memory of the day was seeing the sky a strange colour and not understanding why. I was about 13 kilometers away from the fire. I also saw several water bombing helicopters flying.

My point is when there is a serious fire in Australia it is serious. These sort of things do not happen in other parts of the world. Not like Australia.
Yeah, wow. That's what happened. And still, it's peanuts compared to what's happening now..
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Thousands of people, residents and holiday makers, in East Gippsland have been told to evacuate immediately.

https://www.theguardian.com/australi...re-threat-zone

Today has the makings of another monster fire day.

(Hot and windy).
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In 2003 a bushfire hit Canberra. Here is a YouTube on the subject.

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My memory of the day was seeing the sky a strange colour and not understanding why. I was about 13 kilometers away from the fire. I also saw several water bombing helicopters flying.

My point is when there is a serious fire in Australia it is serious. These sort of things do not happen in other parts of the world. Not like Australia.
That is fascinating. I always imagined a fire tornado to be one of those spinning fire vortexes like a dust devil spins. This is a whole different thing, a real wall cloud and a real tornado.
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In 2003 a bushfire hit Canberra. Here is a YouTube on the subject.

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My memory of the day was seeing the sky a strange colour and not understanding why. I was about 13 kilometers away from the fire. I also saw several water bombing helicopters flying.

My point is when there is a serious fire in Australia it is serious. These sort of things do not happen in other parts of the world. Not like Australia.
A friend of mine was standing on his roof, in Kambah, putting out spot fires, when that tornado turned up.

He saved his home, but was utterly terrified, and felt that he only just left the roof in time. The heat was so intense it killed most of his bonsai trees, some of which were incredibly old, but his home was missed by the tornado.

To this day, I remain in awe of his bravery.
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Thousands of people, residents and holiday makers, in East Gippsland have been told to evacuate immediately.

https://www.theguardian.com/australi...re-threat-zone

Today has the makings of another monster fire day.

(Hot and windy).
I camped right there at The Lakes, back in '78. During a heatwave of all things, 44C.
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Old 29th December 2019, 07:43 PM   #115
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Then there's this.

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...es-devastation
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Old 29th December 2019, 07:49 PM   #116
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Lovely individual stories amidst reports that 80% of koalas in the area have been killed by the fire.
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Old 29th December 2019, 10:22 PM   #117
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Lovely individual stories amidst reports that 80% of koalas in the area have been killed by the fire.
True. The fires ARE that bad.
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And the stupidest council determined to still have fireworks award goes toooo..........
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Should probably clarify that post to add context given things

Fireworks make too much money too cancel even with record fires

250,000 people signed a petition to stop them


https://www.theguardian.com/australi...o-be-cancelled
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Thirsty koala


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