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Old 29th December 2020, 10:17 AM   #1881
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delusional claims proved false by FDR

Originally Posted by rubygray View Post
Here is a CIT image of JERRI DAVIS's route as she drove past Lloyde England, who at that time was trying to flag down someone to help him remove the pole from his windshield.

https://images.app.goo.gl/ZYj8gwj2wDzphJWa9
Your delusional claims about 9/11 are proved wrong by hard evidence. The FDR makes witness statements useless, and proves your wild fantasy claims false.


https://www.ntsb.gov/about/Documents/AAL77_fdr.pdf

You have failed to do more than mock the murder of thousands with lies based on willful ignorance.
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Old 29th December 2020, 11:48 AM   #1882
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Is it just me or... I find no statements from Jerri Davis, except within CIT dis-information.
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Old 29th December 2020, 12:49 PM   #1883
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Originally Posted by bknight View Post
Is it just me or... I find no statements from Jerri Davis, except within CIT dis-information.
I found this interview.
https://vimeo.com/5166891
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Old 29th December 2020, 01:04 PM   #1884
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Originally Posted by Gamolon View Post
I found this interview.
https://vimeo.com/5166891
Thanks, but that interview is from CIT, I was looking for police/FBI statements, sorry for the confusion.
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Old 29th December 2020, 02:34 PM   #1885
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Originally Posted by rubygray View Post
And THIS is Lloyde.
Oh boy, do you have some MAJOR problems with your fantasy. Let's take a look.

Below is an image in which you point out Lloyd who supposedly has been banished to the center of the bridge. This is at 9:43:30am per the image below.


Below is the larger image which show where the location of the above frames were taken and at what time. The part in the box in the image below matches the above frames. Notice the vehicles entering the southbound lanes from the southeast part of cloverleaf on the right side of the image.


1. Based on the two images above and your own convoluted ramblings, Lloyd is NOT at the center of the bridge like you claim in the first image. He is south of the exit sign which puts him where the red circle is in the image below.


2. How did Lloyd get from the cemetery wall to his location south the exit sign? You have him falling down under the pole as he removed it from his car at 9:42:46am and then south of the exit sign at 9:43:30am. That's 44 seconds.

3. Based on the above, you have Lloyd being transported from the cemetery wall at 9:42:46am to the point south of the exit sign at 9:43:30am. From there you have him magically move from south of the sign to 50 yards north of where his cab will be so the brown Jeep can pick him up in the northbound lanes at 9:48:00am. Then the brown Jeep has to loop around via the cloverleaf and deposit him in front of his cab in the southbound lanes.

Below is an image of your rendition of Lloyd's travels. Point 1 at cemetery wall to Point 2 south of sign. Then from Point 2 to Point 3 north of where his cab will eventually be (how he got there, nobody knows). Then via brown Jeep, from Point 3 to Point 4.

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Old 29th December 2020, 03:06 PM   #1886
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That red circle matches very closely with where pole number one was clipped.

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/...fig1_233943739

Those pesky crew mem knew exactly where to place them.
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Old 29th December 2020, 03:07 PM   #1887
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ruby who has been unjustly accused in this matter?
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Old 29th December 2020, 03:50 PM   #1888
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It is hardly a coincidence that, when a giant explosion happens right next to a busy road, that some cars might get damaged by the falling debris.

Lloyde reports that he saw the plane going over the road and the next thing he knew the pole went through his windshield.

On the other hand Terronez reports that the explosion occurred and then he watched the explosion grow higher and higher and the debris thrown up, then he saw it coming towards him and ducked and heard the patter of debris on the roofs of cars and then he heard the great crash of glass breaking.

Terronez reports that the car was next to him and that it was the rear windshield that got broken. He never mentions a pole sticking out.

Nothing in this description matches Lloyde's case.
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Old 29th December 2020, 04:15 PM   #1889
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Oh yes, and Jerri Davis drives past the place where Lloyde's cab is allegedly stopped, and drives around this cab stopped diagonally across the road with a pole sticking out of its smashed windscreen and doesn't mention it at all and yet somehow she is a witness to the cab being there?
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Old 30th December 2020, 06:05 AM   #1890
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Originally Posted by rubygray View Post
Terronez describes exactly the scenario occurring right next to him with Lloyde England, except for saying "rear" instead of "front".
More evidence that Tony Terronez was looking at a different vehicle and NOT Lloyd's cab.

Lloyd says he saw the plan and then within seconds, the pole came through his window.

Tony says he heard a "woosh" (this is the plane flying past him and when Lloyd saw the plane) then saw the explosion and the smoke and debris went into the air. He ducked into the passenger seat and heard the "pitter-patter" of debris and concrete bouncing off his car.

THEN he heard the loud crash, like glass being shattered, which you think was made by the pole going through Lloyd's cab. Impossible as Lloyd's timing of the pole coming through his windshield and Tony hearing the loud crash DO NOT MATCH.

Furthermore, see your quote below.
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TONY TERRONEZ was across the divider northbound beyond the heliport when the plane flew over behind him. He ducked down in his car and heard the loud sound of glass smashing near him. After he got out of his car, he went across to the driver of the car which had had its windshield knocked out by
"something" that went through it. He said there was a 4 inch hole in it, and the rest of the windshield looked as though it had been smashed by a baseball bat. This exactly describes the damage pattern on Lloyde's windshield.
Why would Tony use the term "something" to describe what went through the windshield when there was supposedly a large part of a light pole sticking out of it? He described just a hole with nothing in it. In the rear windshield of the car. Right next to him in the northbound lanes.

You left out a large part of Tony's description in your quote above regarding the events that took place between the plane flying over (referred to as the "woosh" Tony heard) and when Tony actually heard the glass being smashed. Trying to make it seem that the pole going through Lloyd's cab and Tony hearing glass being smashed coincide to support your fantasy?

Nice try.
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Old 30th December 2020, 08:23 AM   #1891
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Originally Posted by Robin View Post
Oh yes, and Jerri Davis drives past the place where Lloyde's cab is allegedly stopped, and drives around this cab stopped diagonally across the road with a pole sticking out of its smashed windscreen and doesn't mention it at all and yet somehow she is a witness to the cab being there?
An d then 8 years later CIT shows up to take her video statement. That is why I indicated I couldn't find any statement in the records with the exception of the disinformation idiots from CIT. I wouldn't trust anything that they produce.
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Old 30th December 2020, 08:24 AM   #1892
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Originally Posted by bknight View Post
ruby who has been unjustly accused in this matter?
ruby, please don't overlook this question, and tell us your thoughts.
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Old 31st December 2020, 06:55 AM   #1893
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Originally Posted by rubygray View Post
And THIS is Lloyde.
Do you realize how stupid this fantasy of yours is? Do you realize what you are implying the government actually planned for this?

You are implying that the government made plans for "south of the Citgo, Official Flight Path" which include the following:

1. Creating a fake FDR to match the "Official Flight Path"
2. Plan the staging of the light poles to match the "Official Flight Path"
3. Plan the explosion and damage pattern to match the direction of the "Official Flight Path"

With all the above being planned ahead of time, they also plan ahead of time to shoot a "non-light pole" through the windshield of a cab 400 yards north of the "Official Flight Path" that they painstakingly planned out, drug Lloyd so he doesn't know what the hell is going on, and then move the cab and Lloyd to the center of the bridge to support the "Official Flight Path".

How idiotic!

You mean to tell me you believe that someone on the government conspiracy planning team wouldn't have said "Why not just shoot a piece of light pole at a vehicle on the bridge below our planned Official Flight Path?!"

That they thought the "shoot a "non-light pole" through the windshield of a cab 400 yards north of the "Official Flight Path" plan was a better option?

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Old 31st December 2020, 07:46 AM   #1894
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Originally Posted by Gamolon View Post
Do you realize how stupid this fantasy of yours is? Do you realize what you are implying the government actually planned for this?

You are implying that the government made plans for "south of the Citgo, Official Flight Path" which include the following:

1. Creating a fake FDR to match the "Official Flight Path"
2. Plan the staging of the light poles to match the "Official Flight Path"
3. Plan the explosion and damage pattern to match the direction of the "Official Flight Path"

With all the above being planned ahead of time, they also plan ahead of time to shoot a "non-light pole" through the windshield of a cab 400 yards north of the "Official Flight Path" that they painstakingly planned out, drug Lloyd so he doesn't know what the hell is going on, and then move the cab and Lloyd to the center of the bridge to support the "Official Flight Path".

How idiotic!

You mean to tell me you believe that someone on the government conspiracy planning team wouldn't have said "Why not just shoot a piece of light pole at a vehicle on the bridge below our planned Official Flight Path?!"

That they thought the "shoot a "non-light pole" through the windshield of a cab 400 yards north of the "Official Flight Path" plan was a better option?

Don't forget the super secret pole launching device.
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Old 31st December 2020, 07:48 AM   #1895
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Originally Posted by rubygray View Post
I did not make this up.
Ruby, your updated timeline below using your own statements in addition to Lloyde's. Pay particular attention to the events in red.

9:34:54 Tow truck without trailer pulls into Citgo
9:37:46 Lloyde's cab disabled by pole which was shot from a military device/vehicle
9:39:50 Tow truck without trailer leaves Citgo
9:41:00 Cheryl Ryefield video supposedly shows tow truck pulling up to Lloyde's cab
9:41:46 Lloyde walks to front of cab
9:42:00 Tow truck with trailer sits behind Lloyde's cab
9:42:05 Tow Truck still behind cab, pole still in windshield
9:42:46 Lloyde falls down under pole when secondary explosion happens
9:42:50 Arlington County Police arrive on motorcycles
9:42:55 FBI agents tell Lloyde to stay with the cab
9:43:00 Lloyde tries to start his cab, but cannot
9:43:05 Officer tells everyone to leave
9:43:06 Lloyde wouldn't move so officer pushes him down
9:43:08 Lloyde gets ID out of cab
9:43:12 Tow truck with trailer and cab leaves cemetery

9:43:30 Lloyde has been dropped off just south of the exit sign, between the southeast and southwest ramps of the cloverleaf
9:44:00 Tow truck with trailer deposits Lloyde's cab onto bridge
9:45:00 Tow truck with trailer exits bridge onto NW cloverleaf
9:45:00 Brown Jeep parked just east of the Navy Annex building
9:48:00 Brown Jeep picks up Lloyde from his location, 50 yards north of where his cab was deposited, in the northbound lanes, by brown Jeep
9:50:00 Tow truck without trailer leaves cloverleaf
9:52:00 Brown Jeep arrives with drugged Lloyde just south of deposited cab on bridge in the southbound lanes after exiting the northbound lanes (where it picked Lloyde up) via the northeast exit ramp of the cloverleaf, goes under the highway, and then enters the southbound lanes via the northwest on ramp
9:55:00 Lloyde has left the brown Jeep and is standing by his relocated cab on the bridge

Between 9:42:46 when Lloyde fell down under the pole he removed from his windshield and 9:43:12 when the tow truck and trailer left the cemetery (26 seconds mind you), when exactly was Lloyde's cab loaded on trailer?
Or are you suggesting that Lloyde tried to both start the cab and get his ID out of the cab when they were loading it on the trailer or when it was actually ON the trailer?

Also, how Lloyde get from where his cab was originally speared by a pole to a location south of the bridge/exit signs, in the HOV lanes, between the times of 9:43:12 and 9:43:30 (18 seconds)?

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Old 31st December 2020, 07:53 AM   #1896
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Originally Posted by Gamolon View Post
Do you realize how stupid this fantasy of yours is? Do you realize what you are implying the government actually planned for this?
And with enough detail and quality to fool every expert in the US and around the world. Except for Craig Renke, who we don't touch. The guy who gave him the information gets a dirt nap, but the guy getting and sharing the information we don't touch.
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Old 2nd January 2021, 06:08 PM   #1897
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ruby who has been unjustly accused in this matter?
Ruby has unjustly accused at least one, maybe both Donald Rumsfeld's of major crimes against the US and prodding someone in the back with his stubby little fingers.
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I might add that depending on who is being prodded it may be another accusation of a major crime. But if both Rumsfelds are prodding is that two counts?
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Old 3rd January 2021, 05:06 AM   #1899
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How long does it take you to change a tyre? It would take me about half an hour on my own. To change 4 of them, multiply by 4 plus several cups of tea.

But in Formula 1 racing, it takes just 2.5 seconds to change all 4 tyres.
That is with a carefully selected team of trained and rehearsed guys, and some very specialised equipment.

This was no random towtruck that just happened to be passing that was flagged down. This was a special operation, and time was of the essence. Rehearsals would have been clocked and perfected. There were many stagehands available. That white van could have held loads of them.
This is deranged!
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Originally Posted by Gamolon View Post
Do you realize how stupid this fantasy of yours is? Do you realize what you are implying the government actually planned for this?

You are implying that the government made plans for "south of the Citgo, Official Flight Path" which include the following:

1. Creating a fake FDR to match the "Official Flight Path"
2. Plan the staging of the light poles to match the "Official Flight Path"
3. Plan the explosion and damage pattern to match the direction of the "Official Flight Path"

With all the above being planned ahead of time, they also plan ahead of time to shoot a "non-light pole" through the windshield of a cab 400 yards north of the "Official Flight Path" that they painstakingly planned out, drug Lloyd so he doesn't know what the hell is going on, and then move the cab and Lloyd to the center of the bridge to support the "Official Flight Path".

How idiotic!

You mean to tell me you believe that someone on the government conspiracy planning team wouldn't have said "Why not just shoot a piece of light pole at a vehicle on the bridge below our planned Official Flight Path?!"

That they thought the "shoot a "non-light pole" through the windshield of a cab 400 yards north of the "Official Flight Path" plan was a better option?

Well, they had that team of highly trained car moving guys sitting in a van, they obviously thought after all the months of training and expense they might as well use them.
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I might add that depending on who is being prodded it may be another accusation of a major crime. But if both Rumsfelds are prodding is that two counts?
By the Lucky-Larry rule, it's about 1 1/2 counts.
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Ruby has unjustly accused at least one, maybe both Donald Rumsfeld's of major crimes against the US and prodding someone in the back with his stubby little fingers.
This is quite interesting. I asked ruby, at UM, if she really "hated"( I don't remember the exact word) Rumsfeld. Her comment was that she didn't too much about him until she began "researching" her Llyode story that she really found him evil on many levels, my interpretation.
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Rest in Peace Lloyde.

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I'll second that.
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I'll second that.
As do I, though I seriously doubt he will be allowed to.
I think it almost inevitable that the conspiracy ghouls will be cranking up their 'mysterious death' claims.
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As do I, though I seriously doubt he will be allowed to.
I think it almost inevitable that the conspiracy ghouls will be cranking up their 'mysterious death' claims.
Yes, no one expects a 86 yo man to die.
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Yes, no one expects a 86 yo man to die.
Not a single witness to Lincoln's assassination is alive today. I don't think that's just a coincidence.

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May we have a ruling on which Lloyd has died?
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As do I, though I seriously doubt he will be allowed to.
I think it almost inevitable that the conspiracy ghouls will be cranking up their 'mysterious death' claims.
Can we create a new word for it? I'll nominate "Covided"
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Seems like a good guy. This is impressive, at least to me:

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He graduated from Armstrong High School in Washington, D.C. where he met Hester B. Lewis. They married in 1954, had seven children, and lived in Arlington, VA. He spent most of his career working for Capitol Cab Cooperative Association in Washington, D.C., where he was a representative on the Taxi Cab Commission, member advocate, board member and driver. Before joining Capitol Cab, he worked for Greyhound and Maloney Concrete. Lloyde was also a certified mechanic and enjoyed working on cars, especially Fords.
It's too bad 9-11 CT thugs took advantage of him. My hope is that his name fades from nutjob 9-11 mythology so his kids and grandkids and great grandkids don't have to deal with lunatics.
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Oh yes, and Jerri Davis drives past the place where Lloyde's cab is allegedly stopped, and drives around this cab stopped diagonally across the road with a pole sticking out of its smashed windscreen and doesn't mention it at all and yet somehow she is a witness to the cab being there?
As you can see from the video screenshot, when it first came to rest, the cab was not diagonally across the road.
It was parallel with the concrete divider.
The pole was only about 12 feet long, and extended only as far as the front of the hood.
The pole also was in line with the highway, facing South away from oncoming traffic. Not very noticeable from that angle at all.
There were 3 lanes here beneath the overhead sign. Plenty of room to drive past.
After all, both Steve Riskus in his red sedan, and the Silent Stranger in the White Van, drove past Lloyde. The towtruck and trailer also had plenty of room to drive north by side him, and do U-turn behind him.
The diagonal cab was an artifice dreamed up by whomever designed the bridge-cab-pole scene.
The decoy cab which was posed there from 9:37 - 9:44 was skewed across the road, as can be seen in the same video shot from the triage site opposite the heliport, and also in the video shot from the bridge. Photos even show skid marks curving towards the cab's wheels.
When Lloyde's cab was relocated there, it was carefully placed in the same diagonal configuration.
Jerri Davis may or may not have have taken any notice of the cab.
But she DID mention that "ALL THIS STUFF WAS ON THE ROAD".

As Lloyde said,
"Glass was everywhere,"
and he had to swerve to miss the OTHER piece of pole on the road.

Unfortunately Craig never thought to ask her more details about the man she saw who was trying to flag her down. Was he black? Wearing bike leathers, a light blue cap and shirt? Did she see a Capitol Cab? What age would the guy have been? Could she recognise him from a photo lineup?
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Old 22nd January 2021, 02:08 AM   #1912
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This is quite interesting. I asked ruby, at UM, if she really "hated"( I don't remember the exact word) Rumsfeld. Her comment was that she didn't too much about him until she began "researching" her Llyode story that she really found him evil on many levels, my interpretation.
At least you admit this is YOUR INTERPRETATION.
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At least you admit this is YOUR INTERPRETATION.
Ok, then gives us your thoughts on Mr. Rumsfeld.
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Originally Posted by rubygray View Post
As you can see from the video screenshot, when it first came to rest, the cab was not diagonally across the road.
It was parallel with the concrete divider.
The pole was only about 12 feet long, and extended only as far as the front of the hood.
The pole also was in line with the highway, facing South away from oncoming traffic. Not very noticeable from that angle at all.
There were 3 lanes here beneath the overhead sign. Plenty of room to drive past.
After all, both Steve Riskus in his red sedan, and the Silent Stranger in the White Van, drove past Lloyde. The towtruck and trailer also had plenty of room to drive north by side him, and do U-turn behind him.
The diagonal cab was an artifice dreamed up by whomever designed the bridge-cab-pole scene.
The decoy cab which was posed there from 9:37 - 9:44 was skewed across the road, as can be seen in the same video shot from the triage site opposite the heliport, and also in the video shot from the bridge. Photos even show skid marks curving towards the cab's wheels.
When Lloyde's cab was relocated there, it was carefully placed in the same diagonal configuration.
Jerri Davis may or may not have have taken any notice of the cab.
But she DID mention that "ALL THIS STUFF WAS ON THE ROAD".

As Lloyde said,
"Glass was everywhere,"
and he had to swerve to miss the OTHER piece of pole on the road.

Unfortunately Craig never thought to ask her more details about the man she saw who was trying to flag her down. Was he black? Wearing bike leathers, a light blue cap and shirt? Did she see a Capitol Cab? What age would the guy have been? Could she recognise him from a photo lineup?
You spread BS, and the FDR proves it.

Why are you anti-science? Because you prefer making up delusional claims based on faulty research.

Why do you lie about 9/11? Because you can.

FDR, Radar, and DNA make your claims insane.
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As you can see from the video screenshot,
As we can see, your fantasy theory is full of huge gaping holes and massive inconsistencies. When are you going to address them?
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Originally Posted by rubygray View Post
As you can see from the video screenshot, when it first came to rest, the cab was not diagonally across the road.
It was parallel with the concrete divider.

The pole was only about 12 feet long, and extended only as far as the front of the hood.
The pole also was in line with the highway, facing South away from oncoming traffic. Not very noticeable from that angle at all.
There were 3 lanes here beneath the overhead sign. Plenty of room to drive past.
After all, both Steve Riskus in his red sedan, and the Silent Stranger in the White Van, drove past Lloyde. The towtruck and trailer also had plenty of room to drive north by side him, and do U-turn behind him.
The diagonal cab was an artifice dreamed up by whomever designed the bridge-cab-pole scene.
The decoy cab which was posed there from 9:37 - 9:44 was skewed across the road, as can be seen in the same video shot from the triage site opposite the heliport, and also in the video shot from the bridge. Photos even show skid marks curving towards the cab's wheels.
When Lloyde's cab was relocated there, it was carefully placed in the same diagonal configuration.
Jerri Davis may or may not have have taken any notice of the cab.
But she DID mention that "ALL THIS STUFF WAS ON THE ROAD".

As Lloyde said,
"Glass was everywhere,"
and he had to swerve to miss the OTHER piece of pole on the road.

Unfortunately Craig never thought to ask her more details about the man she saw who was trying to flag her down. Was he black? Wearing bike leathers, a light blue cap and shirt? Did she see a Capitol Cab? What age would the guy have been? Could she recognise him from a photo lineup?
What video are you referring?
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What video are you referring?
https://youtu.be/YjXTrHCHsJA
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Old 31st January 2021, 01:35 PM   #1918
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As we can see, your fantasy theory is full of huge gaping holes and massive inconsistencies. When are you going to address them?
The holes are only in your mind.

Pointless trying to address anything when I have reached the Skeptics mingy quota of photo uploads.

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Seems like a good guy. This is impressive, at least to me:

LLOYDE ENGLAND's OBITUARY

It's too bad 9-11 CT thugs took advantage of him. My hope is that his name fades from nutjob 9-11 mythology so his kids and grandkids and great grandkids don't have to deal with lunatics.
Yes, it is appalling, the way CIT treated this gracious, honest man.

What is just as bad, is the way the False Truther Brigade (David Chandler, Wayne Coste, Chris Sarns, etc) treats Lloyde. They claim we must respect Lloyde's testimony and his cab as witnesses to the truth of what happened on 9/11, then disrespect him majorly by condescendingly allowing that he was "confused" or "forgetful" about his location when the plane flew across the road in front of him, and he saw it for only a split second. They are effectively accusing him of being a likeable liar.

You blokes are just as bad, feigning respect for Lloyde and concern for his family now he has died, because like CIT, you also believe he lied about his location and about the identity of the pole in his cab.

What is worst of all, of course, is the selection and targeting of this unsuspecting, hard-working man in a black operation by the U.S. government against its own citizens.

Lloyde was chosen with the complicity of his cab firm, as proven by the two fares he was assigned in Rosslyn that set him up to be in the right place at the right time, and by the presence of an identical, undamaged Capitol Cab sitting in place on the bridge for the first 6 minutes until Lloyde's cab was relocated there for the photo opportunity.

He was targeted by the perpetrators, as is proven by the secondment of Donald Rumsfeld's own personal bodyguard, who collected, transported, supervised and guarded Lloyde England on the bridge during the few minutes that the incriminating official photos were taken.

Hne was fired at with military planning, precision and technology, as is proven by the pole taken from the windshield which was no part of a lightpole, and Lloyde's proven location at that time, which was 400 yards north of the alleged flightpath of the plane.

Somebody in this corrupt world had to stand up for Lloyde England on his own terms against such universal condemnation, condescension and hatred, and I am proud to be that person.

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Originally Posted by rubygray View Post
What is just as bad, is the way the False Truther Brigade (David Chandler, Wayne Coste, Chris Sarns, etc) treats Lloyde. They claim we must respect Lloyde's testimony and his cab as witnesses to the truth of what happened on 9/11, then disrespect him majorly by condescendingly allowing that he was "confused" or "forgetful" about his location when the plane flew across the road in front of him, and he saw it for only a split second. They are effectively accusing him of being a likeable liar.
First, what is a "False Truther" exactly? (I already know the answer, Conspiracy Theorists tend to save their ultimate pettiness for their own)

Here's the the thing, if you watch their interview with Lloyde they ask leading questions, and then run him in circles. And then, because of his advanced age, and because not one of the CIT guys is a professional journalist none of them can keep their answers straight.

Lloyde wasn't lying, he was just wrong about what he claimed happened. This is common for people involved in a large scale catastrophy.

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You blokes are just as bad, feigning respect for Lloyde and concern for his family now he has died, because like CIT, you also believe he lied about his location and about the identity of the pole in his cab.
No. We have a problem with elder abuse, which is what CIT and to some extent -you are inflicting on an honest man,

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What is worst of all, of course, is the selection and targeting of this unsuspecting, hard-working man in a black operation by the U.S. government against its own citizens.
This is a lie. You have yet to reveal any evidence this happened.

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Lloyde was chosen with the complicity of his cab firm, as proven by the two fares he was assigned in Rosslyn that set him up to be in the right place at the right time, and by the presence of an identical, undamaged Capitol Cab sitting in place on the bridge for the first 6 minutes until Lloyde's cab was relocated there for the photo opportunity
.

Lloyd saw the plane crash into the Pentagon.

Hani Hanjour was late. He overflew his primary target, and made that infamous turn to strike the Pentagon.

There was no way anyone could have timed he presence near the Pentagon on 911. And what "Black Ops' team wastes this kind of effort in the first place? Your SASR don't waste resources, why would any US team be so stupid?

"We need a photo of a wrecked cab" - said nobody ever. Do you realize that 95% of the human race never saw the picture of Lloyde's cab? That is a lot of risk for a stupid picture.

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He was targeted by the perpetrators, as is proven by the secondment of Donald Rumsfeld's own personal bodyguard, who collected, transported, supervised and guarded Lloyde England on the bridge during the few minutes that the incriminating official photos were taken.
Again, this is a lie based on your inept interpretation of really poor quality video because you need it to be true. Rumsfeld's man never left his side, which has been repeatedly pointed out to you.

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Hne was fired at with military planning, precision and technology, as is proven by the pole taken from the windshield which was no part of a lightpole, and Lloyde's proven location at that time, which was 400 yards north of the alleged flightpath of the plane.
Questions:

What branch of the Australain military did you serve with?

During your obvious extensive time in Australian Black Ops you must have performed joint training exercises with your American counter-parts. So how can you use the word "precision" in conjunction with anything related to the US military?

Plus, we have established that your interpretation of where Lloyde was is faulty.

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Somebody in this corrupt world had to stand up for Lloyde England on his own terms against such universal condemnation, condescension and hatred, and I am proud to be that person.
No, you are taking advantage of an elderly African-American to advance your lunatic theory.
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