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Old 18th November 2019, 12:48 PM   #721
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Old 18th November 2019, 12:50 PM   #722
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Sol88 insanity that electric currents sheets are not expected to do work !
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Old 18th November 2019, 01:01 PM   #723
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Sol88's usual insanity to derail from Sol88's insane religious dogma that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) and that these rocks discharge in a massive solar electric field. This insanely tears the rock apart and puts gas and dust into the coma and forms their insanity of jets as electrical discharges !

Sol88's insane delusion of "cold dense electrons down there on the nucleus" when the papers he cited were about the diamagnetic cavity discovered in 2015 at a distance of about 170 km from the comet and the comet coma !
Plasma Density Structures at Comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko
The Convective Electric Field Influence on the Cold Plasma and Diamagnetic Cavity of Comet 67P

Sol88's insane delusion of "cold dense electrons" anywhere !
The papers mention cold electrons only.
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Old 18th November 2019, 01:23 PM   #724
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But, but, but.........are you trying to say that Birkeland currents are field-aligned? Crikey.

Yup.

And they play a part in

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Wolff et al. [1985] consider the cometary rays to be channeled outflow of cometary ions along magnetic flux tubes. In this case, flux tubes are entering the cometary ionosphere through the Kelvin-Helmholtz instability and are able to penetrate the ionopause. At that point, there are two symmetric flux tubes with their foot points rooted near the nucleus, extended along the comet’s tail. Variations in the location and the brightness of the rays are then explained through differences in the interplanetary magnetic field direction and outgassing rate of the comet. Later, Ip [1994] added the possibility that modification of the electron heat conduction could also be the cause for variations along the flux tubes.
Oh, a mainstream mechanism...


Magnetic flux tubes

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This leads to t nT. They realize that this folding leads to two regions with oppositely directed field, similar to the Earth’s magnetotail, and thus that there needs to be a cross-tail current through Amp`ere’s law (Eq. (1)), with 108 A for a tail length of 106 km. Ip [1979] assumes that (part) of this current can suddenly be channeled through the cometary atmosphere, in a similar way to what happens in the Earth’s tail during a substorm [Bostr¨om, 1974]. This field-aligned current can then, again, be used to increase the ionization rate near the nucleus.
As long as this field-aligned currentstays clear of any magnetic flux tubes, electric fields or plasma boundaries, we should be able to use MHD.

Field aligned current is a Birkeland current, as described mathematically bu Don Scott.

Doesn’t really matter what jonesdave116 thinks, there it is.
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Old 18th November 2019, 01:39 PM   #725
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Originally Posted by tusenfem View Post
Nope
And that is not an answer to my question to explain.



Nope




Nope
How can they be "Birkeland currents" when they are cross-field currents?
The stupidity, it hurts!
Dude you are still using this
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Inordertomodeltheoutgassingofacometatarateofn[moleculess1],asphericalexpansionisassumedwherethegasmovesawayf romthenucleusatavelocityofe[m/s].
I’ll fix it when I’m near a pc.

Anywho

We are talking about these Birkeland currents, well as close as your maths has to them anyway,
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They assumed that this structure was created by a kink-mode instability generated by a current flowing along the field lines down the tail and estimated the necessary current to be 7 A. However, Ip and Mendis [1975] corrected this estimate to 6 A.
As per

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In this case the cometary tail was modeled as a plasma cylinder separated by a tangential discontinuity from the solar wind, and the magentic field is along the axis of the cylinder and the plasma is ideal and compressional.
current in cometary coma


Now describe it using a more realistic model, say this one
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Birkeland Currents: A Force-Free Field-Aligned Model

Donald E. Scott

The fundamental vector calculus definition of a force-free, field-aligned current in space is expanded in cylindrical coordinates to directly obtain the Bessel partial differential equation that specifies the magnetic field created by such a current. This result is often called the Lundquist solution. A simple but detailed derivation is included here. The physical properties of the resulting intricate magnetic field structure are described. The cause of its characteristic counter-rotation and counter-flows are identified.

So cross field currents ay?
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Old 18th November 2019, 01:56 PM   #726
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Yup.

And they play a part in



Oh, a mainstream mechanism...


Magnetic flux tubes



As long as this field-aligned currentstays clear of any magnetic flux tubes, electric fields or plasma boundaries, we should be able to use MHD.

Field aligned current is a Birkeland current, as described mathematically bu Don Scott.

Doesn’t really matter what jonesdave116 thinks, there it is.
Doesn't matter what you think. You just showed your complete ignorance of plasma physics by calling a cross-field current a Birkeland current! Lol.
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Old 18th November 2019, 01:59 PM   #727
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Dude you are still using this I’ll fix it when I’m near a pc.

Anywho

We are talking about these Birkeland currents, well as close as your maths has to them anyway,

As per

current in cometary coma


Now describe it using a more realistic model, say this one


So cross field currents ay?

Hahahaha! The idiot Scott again. He's clueless. He stuffed up the maths in that 'paper', among other things. It has been discussed here and elsewhere.
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So, tusenfem you are saying that is the full extent of the curcuit?

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and thus that there needs to be a cross-tail current
with the other half of the curcuit
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It was posited that such currents would have to close through the “head” of the comet, and thereby could be an extra source for ionization in the coma.
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Doesn't matter what you think. You just showed your complete ignorance of plasma physics by calling a cross-field current a Birkeland current! Lol.
No I called the field aligned currents, Birkeland currents. As they are.
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What do you call the field aligned currents that run down/up the tail then?
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No I called the field aligned currents, Birkeland currents. As they are.
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What do you call the field aligned currents that run down/up the tail then?
Lol. Rowing back at a rate of knots. Your ignorance of the subject is colossal. You don't need me to tell you that you haven't got a clue what you are talking about - we have an actual plasma physicist who does that regularly! Stick to something you know something about. Whatever that may be! Certainly not science.
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So, tusenfem you are saying that is the full extent of the curcuit?
Who gives a crap? It is not going to turn rock into dust and ice, because it ain't reaching the nucleus. It ain't causing a non-existent glow discharge. It ain't turning the solar wind into water. Your woo is dead, and your are arguing with a plasma physicist on a subject in which you are clueless. What is the point?
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Sol88's usual insanity to derail from Sol88's insane religious dogma that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) and that these rocks discharge in a massive solar electric field. This insanely tears the rock apart and puts gas and dust into the coma and forms their insanity of jets as electrical discharges !
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Sol88's usual insanity to derail from Sol88's insane religious dogma that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) and that these rocks discharge in a massive solar electric field. This insanely tears the rock apart and puts gas and dust into the coma and forms their insanity of jets as electrical discharges !
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Sol88's usual insanity which emphasizes Sol88's insane religious dogma that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) and that these rocks discharge in a massive solar electric field. This insanely tears the rock apart and puts gas and dust into the coma and forms their insanity of jets as electrical discharges !

Sol88's insanity that someone who is utterly deluded (Sol88's insane religious dogma above) and abysmally ignorant can identify Birkeland currents in a paper not mentioning Birkeland currents !

Birkeland currents around Earth and probably other planets are one class of field aligned currents.

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Utter gibberish! How the hell can an area of space with no magnetic field be an electric field? Do you realise what an idiotic thing that is to say? And how stupid it makes you look? I don't suppose you do. Which is why you were conned by this idiocy. You are out of your depth. Give up. Science really isn't your thing.
Diamagnetic cavity = electric field! Lol. Deary me.
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Hence, the physics of this region is still under debate.
Full Stop

The Convective Electric Field Influence on the Cold Plasma and Diamagnetic Cavity of Comet 67P

Sounds like you are, like your plasma knowledge, lacking in how electric fields actually work.

This hinders your comprehension of a relatively easy subject.

oh and by the way, not NO magnetic field, reduced magnetic field strength. Just like you were within the electric field. :0
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Full Stop

The Convective Electric Field Influence on the Cold Plasma and Diamagnetic Cavity of Comet 67P

Sounds like you are, like your plasma knowledge, lacking in how electric fields actually work.

This hinders your comprehension of a relatively easy subject.

oh and by the way, not NO magnetic field, reduced magnetic field strength. Just like you were within the electric field. :0
And more gibberish! You really are clueless on the subject of plasma physics. As you have been told by an actual plasma physicist. Mind you, it is obvious to anyone with even a passing knowledge of the subject!
Give up. Your unscientific nonsense was a complete failure. It died in 2005, in case you didn't notice. Not that it was ever scientifically possible in the first place. It is pure woo. Nothing to do with science, which is why no scientists support it. Only Velikovskian clowns.
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oh and by the way, not NO magnetic field, reduced magnetic field strength. Just like you were within the electric field. :0
Crap. Go look at the Giotto mag data. It is freely available. If you know where to look. And know what you are looking for. And know how to interpret what you are looking at...........actually, on second thoughts, don't bother! Might as well try to teach QM to a chimp.
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Dude you are still using this I’ll fix it when I’m near a pc.

Anywho

We are talking about these Birkeland currents, well as close as your maths has to them anyway,

As per

current in cometary coma


Now describe it using a more realistic model, say this one


So cross field currents ay?
Wow, comparing apples and chickens again, Sol?
Any method is valid to weasel your way out of your wrong claims.

ETA:
Just to show the the line of thought here by Sol

Originally Posted by Volwerk et al., 2018
This means that the induced magnetosphere around a comet consists of a complex geometry of magnetic fields, as if a large amount of different kinds of curtains have been draped around the nucleus. One of the consequences of these rotations of the magnetic field is that there will be current sheets generated in the coma.
Nested draping (different field directions) create current sheets (Ampere's Law) which flow perpendicular to the magnetic field direction, otherwise you cannot have a rotation of the field over ~180 degrees [see also Volwerk et al., 2017, Current sheets in comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko’s coma]

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Sounds very Don Scott’s mathamatical description of a Birkeland Current to me.
Originally Posted by me
Nope
How can they be "Birkeland currents" when they are cross-field currents?
Then we get some nonsense about I am still using:

Inordertomodeltheoutgassingofacometatarateofn[moleculess1],asphericalexpansionisassumedwherethegasmovesawayf romthenucleusatavelocityofe[m/s].

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Anywho

We are talking about these Birkeland currents, well as close as your maths has to them anyway,
But the starting claim had NOTHING to do with Birkeland currents, which are field aligned, they had to do with current sheets between two regions of oppositely directed magnetic field, and those currents are perpendicular to the magnetic field.

And then we get some stuff from Scott quoted, which has absolutely NOTHING to do with what is being discussed. Indeed, a force free field, with a field aligned current, will "wind up" the magnetic field like a screw.

This is, however, something completely different than two regions of oppositely directed magnetic field, which will produce a current sheet, with a cross field current [see Harris, E. G. (1962), On a plasma sheet separating regions of oppositely directed magnetic field, Nuovo Cimento, 23, 115–121.]

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So cross field currents ay?
YES
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So, tusenfem you are saying that is the full extent of the curcuit?

with the other half of the curcuit

?
I guess comprehensive reading, or your attention span, is not your forte.

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As in the Earth’s magnetotail, the cross tail current closes through the magnetopause currents [e.g., Stern, 1994].
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So, the complete, non field aligned currents curcuit is basically the following.

Current sheets, running perpendicular to the magnetic field, closing thru the coma, sometimes suddenly, and via cross field currents closes, some 106 km down the tail?
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I was trying to transpose the first cut paper M.Volwerk wrote “A Tail Like No Other” on to the observations of comets Hyakutake's tail.

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Two days later, a radar antenna at the NASA Goldstone Deep Space Communication Complex measured the size of the comet's nucleus, at an estimated less than two miles across.

The tail's size continued to surprise scientists after the comet made its closest approach to Earth. In May 1996, an instrument on the sun-pointing Ulysses spacecraft "suddenly went haywire" for several hours, according to an account in Physics World.

It turned out that the instrument, which was supposed to measure particles in the solar wind, actually had stumbled across Hyakutake's tail at a distance of 311 million miles (500 million kilometers) from the comet's nucleus.

"The length of the comet's tail was therefore twice that of the previous record holder - the 'Great March Comet' of 1843," Physics World wrote, and the find was surprising to a lot of astronomers.
A Big would the current sheets up at the head be? How come the - and + are separated but in the same location? Jonesdave116 and reality check, steenkh, jean tate are still struggling with this. This has implications on the formation and maintenance of the “Diamagnetic” cavity.

Were do you think the tail would no longer be detectable with the same instrumentation that Ulysses had?

Is this happening at every comet?

5AU? 10? 100?

Valid question, considering the observations.
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Sol88's usual insanity which emphasizes Sol88's insane religious dogma that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) and that these rocks discharge in a massive solar electric field. This insanely tears the rock apart and puts gas and dust into the coma and forms their insanity of jets as electrical discharges !

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tusenfem quotes that these are cross tail currents.
They cross the tail ! They are in the tail, not the coma ! No current sheets in the quote but these may be mainstream current sheets probably denied by Sol88's insane religious dogma !
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Sol88's usual insanity which emphasizes Sol88's insane religious dogma that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) and that these rocks discharge in a massive solar electric field. This insanely tears the rock apart and puts gas and dust into the coma and forms their insanity of jets as electrical discharges !

Sol88's usual insane lies about posts and posters.
We ("Jonesdave116 and reality check, steenkh, jean tate") are not struggling with textbook physics about comets, e.g. that they have large coma and long tails containing gases from the sublimation of ices on comet nuclei that is then partially ionized by sunlight and the solar wind to become a plasma.

We ("Jonesdave116 and reality check, steenkh, jean tate") are not struggling with the interaction of the coma plasma and the solar wind creating a diamagnetic cavity in a comet coma.

We ("Jonesdave116 and reality check, steenkh, jean tate") are not struggling with Soll88 spewing out deluded and irrelevant questions. That just makes Sol88's insane religious dogma even more obviously insane.
Sol88's insanity here is his usual deluded and irrelevant questions (Ulysses instrumentation and detecting comet tails in this case).

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This has implications on the formation and maintenance of the “Diamagnetic” cavity.
No it doesn't.
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...the “Diamagnetic” cavity.
Whoops - missed more of Sol88's insanity - putting scare quotes around diamagnetic in diamagnetic cavity!

Sol88 has cited papers about the measurement of a real diamagnetic cavity in the coma of comet 67P. The word diamagnetic is a standard term in physics.
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No it doesn't.
You are correct, jonesdave116!

In your simplistic mechanical formation of the "diamagnetic" cavity.

You are aware of what we are discussing atm?

M.Volwerks "Currents in Cometary Comae" and specifically the "Solar‐wind draping around the nucleus results in current sheets."

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The result is that layers of magnetic field of different directions
will be wrapping around the nucleus like an onion.
as per

Quote:
In a region where oppositely directed magnetic fields
meet, a current sheet will be generated, by necessity of
Ampère’s law:
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assumed that (part) of this current can suddenly be channeled through the cometary atmosphere, in a similar way to what happens in the
Earth’s tail during a substorm [
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Ampère’s law (equation [30.1]), with It ≈ 10^8 A for a tail
length of lt ≈ 10^6 km. Ip [1979]
thats a big tail and some real power

BUT

the question I've asked here that EVERYONE is just too scarred.

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The presence of a coherent structure so far from the nucleus
suggests that the plasma tails of comets may persist as discrete
entities for many astronomical units. As the tail of Hyakutake
persisted to Ulysses, it is likely that this structure, ultimately
produced by an object only ,2.4 km across23, survived to reach
the edge of the heliosphere.
Identification of comet Hyakutake's extremely long ion tail from magnetic field signatures

Wonder how long 67P's tail is?

and considering tusenfems tail can fit sideways in Hyakutake's tail.
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Whoops - missed more of Sol88's insanity - putting scare quotes around diamagnetic in diamagnetic cavity!

Sol88 has cited papers about the measurement of a real diamagnetic cavity in the coma of comet 67P. The word diamagnetic is a standard term in physics.
Thanks for the clarification, I had misunderstood you and joensdave116's explanation for the diamagnetic cavity.

Levitation??? the dust off the surface?
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You are correct, jonesdave116!

In your simplistic mechanical formation of the "diamagnetic" cavity.

You are aware of what we are discussing atm?

M.Volwerks "Currents in Cometary Comae" and specifically the "Solar‐wind draping around the nucleus results in current sheets."



as per







thats a big tail and some real power

BUT

the question I've asked here that EVERYONE is just too scarred.

Identification of comet Hyakutake's extremely long ion tail from magnetic field signatures

Wonder how long 67P's tail is?

and considering tusenfems tail can fit sideways in Hyakutake's tail.
And none of that gibberish has anything to do with the formation of a diamagnetic cavity, nor the EC woo. What do you need for a tail? Outgassing. And you can't explain it. So, go back to basics, come up with a non-idiotic, scientifically viable model, and stop discussing things that you do not understand.
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Thanks for the clarification, I had misunderstood you and joensdave116's explanation for the diamagnetic cavity.

Levitation??? the dust off the surface?
Whaaat? WTF has levitating dust got to do with a diamagnetic cavity? SMH!!!
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Ha Ha Ha

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And none of that gibberish has anything to do with the formation of a diamagnetic cavity, nor the EC woo. What do you need for a tail? Outgassing. And you can't explain it. So, go back to basics, come up with a non-idiotic, scientifically viable model, and stop discussing things that you do not understand.

Your diamagnetic cavity cannot accelaerate electrons you need an electric current for that, not that i expected you to know. as per
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Naturally, such a strong change in the magnetic field strength needs electric currents
M.Volwerk 30.10.2. 67P/CG’S Unordinary Cavity 513Electric Currents in Geospace and Beyond, Geophysical Monograph 235, Currents in Cometary Comae

Just stick with your sample mechanical explanation that requires NO electric fields/nested current sheets/magnetic fields or any of that plasma guff!
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And none of that gibberish has anything to do with the formation of a diamagnetic cavity, nor the EC woo. What do you need for a tail? Outgassing. And you can't explain it. So, go back to basics, come up with a non-idiotic, scientifically viable model, and stop discussing things that you do not understand.
Outgassing???

Not needed or plausible, except for a dirtysnowyiceball model of comets.
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Sol88's insanity of his personal delusion of a "simplistic mechanical formation of the "diamagnetic" cavity" when that is complex electromagnetism and plasma physics.
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Sol88's usual insanity which emphasizes Sol88's insane religious dogma that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) and that these rocks discharge in a massive solar electric field. This insanely tears the rock apart and puts gas and dust into the coma and forms their insanity of jets as electrical discharges !

Sol88's insane lies about posts and posters.
An insane lie that we are explaining diamagnetic cavities to a person who believes in Sol88's insane religious dogma. We may as well teach a donkey to fly an airplane - it would be a better use of our time !
An insane lie that my post was about "levitation". It was about Sol88's insanity on the diamagnetic cavity.

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Sol88's usual insanity which emphasizes Sol88's insane religious dogma that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) and that these rocks discharge in a massive solar electric field. This insanely tears the rock apart and puts gas and dust into the coma and forms their insanity of jets as electrical discharges !

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An insane lie of "sample mechanical explanation that requires NO electric fields/nested current sheets/magnetic fields or any of that plasma guff" in our posts when we have been writing that the solar wind is a plasma, comet coma are plasma and two plasma interacting gives the diamagnetic cavity .

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Sol88's usual insanity which emphasizes Sol88's insane religious dogma that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) and that these rocks discharge in a massive solar electric field. This insanely tears the rock apart and puts gas and dust into the coma and forms their insanity of jets as electrical discharges !

Sol88's usual insane lies about comets.
We detect ices on comets that must sublimate and outgas in the conditions on comets near to the Sun.
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The thousands of insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. since 6 July 2009 from Sol88 about his cult's electric comet and electric Sun dogma.
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Sol88's usual insanity which emphasizes Sol88's insane religious dogma that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) and that these rocks discharge in a massive solar electric field. This insanely tears the rock apart and puts gas and dust into the coma and forms their insanity of jets as electrical discharges !

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Naturally, such a strong change in the magnetic field strength needs electric currents
No accelerated elections in this demented lie by quote mining from Sol88. I suspect that the quote goes on to basic physics of the "strong change in the magnetic field strength" inducing an acceleration of electrons.

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