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Old 12th January 2020, 12:27 AM   #1041
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Film by Christian Stangl
www.christianstangl.at

The Comet

Sublimation.. what a crock!

More idiocy. Sublimation is observed. The end. Goodbye.
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Old 12th January 2020, 12:29 AM   #1042
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Interesting see the dust and its path thru our field of vision.

jonesdave116
And what I said is correct. So, what is your problem? Do you actually have any science to discuss? Nope, thought not.
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Old 12th January 2020, 04:47 PM   #1043
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The thousands of insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. since 6 July 2009 from Sol88 about his cult's electric comet and electric Sun dogma.
Sol88 gives us an insane rant from Wal Thornhill about stars.
Sol88 gives us an insane video from Donald Scott: Voyager 2 and our Solar System's Birkeland Current
Yet another insane rant from Sol88. Insane lie about asteroid Bennu. Insane ignorance about plasma sheaths. Etc.
Yet another insane rant from Sol88. Insane lies about posts and posters, about models he is totally ignorant about, that an approximation is an error, that ices are not observed, etc.
Will Sol88's insanity that we have not detected ices on comets pop up again? Or has he finally learned a real fact about comets that his demented cult denies?

Sol88's usual insanity which emphasizes Sol88's insane religious dogma that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) and that these rocks discharge in a massive solar electric field. This insanely tears the rock apart and puts gas and dust into the coma and forms their insanity of jets as electrical discharges !

Donald Scott's delusions about science via his usual deluded YouTube video. The last one I looked at from him was his insane ignorance and delusions about neutron stars.
Sol88's insanity that fusion ("transmutation of hydrogen") is happening in basically a plasma globe !

Next: Sol88's usual insanity of citing mainstream ices and dust papers. Sol88's insane delusion of double layers at comets.
Next: Sol88 insanity about 1996 tethered satellite experiments.
Next: Sol88's insanity that 1996 tethered satellite experiments are applicable to comets.
Next: Sol88's insanity about a real science experiment looking at a feature of the real Sun (plasma moving in a magnetic field).
Next: Sol88's insanity about the SAFIRE insanity.
Next: Sol88's usual insanity of citing mainstream ices and dust papers.
Next: Sol88 asks insane questions about mainstream ices and dust papers.
Next: Sol88's usual insanity that "electric" or "electric comet" = his deluded cult's insane dogma.
Next: More insanity from Sol88.
Christian Stangl is an artist who makes movies about science. The latest is The Comet - a short film using 400000 images from Rosetta. This is a great film. There are images of Philae dropping to the surface of 67P. About 2 minutes there is a probable a jet of gas from sublimating ices blowing dust particle about. Many wide shots of jets from sublimating ices.

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Old 20th January 2020, 07:46 PM   #1044
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Interesting...

Comet 67P Found to Be Producing Its Own Oxygen in Deep Space

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In 2015, scientists announced the detection molecular oxygen at Comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko, which was studied by the Rosetta spacecraft. It was the "biggest surprise of the mission," they said — a discovery that could change our understanding of how the solar system formed.
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The initial explanation for the oxygen found in the faint envelope of gas that surrounds the comet was that the oxygen was frozen inside the comet since the beginning of our solar system some 4.6 billion years ago. It was believed that the oxygen had thawed as the comet made its way closer to the Sun.
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But researchers are rethinking that theory, thanks to a chemical engineer from Caltech who usually works on developing microprocessors.
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"We have shown experimentally that it is possible to form molecular oxygen dynamically on the surface of materials similar to those found on the comet," said Yaos.
Oh, sounds promising...

ESA opens oxygen plant, making air out of moondust

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ESTEC's oxygen extraction is taking place using a method called molten salt electrolysis, involving placing regolith in a metal basket with molten calcium chloride salt to serve as an electrolyte, heated to 950°C. At this temperature the regolith remains solid.

But passing a current through it causes the oxygen to be extracted from the regolith and migrate across the salt to be collected at an anode. As a bonus this process also converts the regolith into usable metal alloys.
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"At Metalysis, oxygen produced by the process is an unwanted by-product and is instead released as carbon dioxide and carbon monoxide, which means the reactors are not designed to withstand oxygen gas itself," explains Beth. "So we had to redesign the ESTEC version to be able to have the oxygen available to measure. The lab team was very helpful in getting it installed and operating safely."
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ESA research fellow Alexandre Meurisse adds: "And now we have the facility in operation we can look into fine-tuning it, for instance by reducing the operating temperature, eventually designing a version of this system that could one day fly to the Moon to be operated there."

Great start!
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Old 20th January 2020, 07:53 PM   #1045
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Originally Posted by jonesdave116 View Post
More idiocy. Sublimation is observed. The end. Goodbye.
Liar!


No sublimation observed...

A single picture of sublimation on a comet will do...
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Old 20th January 2020, 08:29 PM   #1046
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The thousands of insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. since 6 July 2009 from Sol88 about his cult's electric comet and electric Sun dogma.
Sol88 gives us an insane rant from Wal Thornhill about stars.
Sol88 gives us an insane video from Donald Scott: Voyager 2 and our Solar System's Birkeland Current
Yet another insane rant from Sol88. Insane lie about asteroid Bennu. Insane ignorance about plasma sheaths. Etc.
Yet another insane rant from Sol88. Insane lies about posts and posters, about models he is totally ignorant about, that an approximation is an error, that ices are not observed, etc.
Will Sol88's insanity that we have not detected ices on comets pop up again? Or has he finally learned a real fact about comets that his demented cult denies?

Sol88's usual insanity which emphasizes Sol88's insane religious dogma that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) and that these rocks discharge in a massive solar electric field. This insanely tears the rock apart and puts gas and dust into the coma and forms their insanity of jets as electrical discharges !

Sol88's insanity in this post.
Comet 67P Found to Be Producing Its Own Oxygen in Deep Space is a chemical engineer's idea in a press release from May 2017.
Dynamic molecular oxygen production in cometary comae is standard science.
ESA opens oxygen plant, making air out of moondust is a proposed industrial process !
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Old 20th January 2020, 08:34 PM   #1047
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The thousands of insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. since 6 July 2009 from Sol88 about his cult's electric comet and electric Sun dogma.
Sol88 gives us an insane rant from Wal Thornhill about stars.
Sol88 gives us an insane video from Donald Scott: Voyager 2 and our Solar System's Birkeland Current
Yet another insane rant from Sol88. Insane lie about asteroid Bennu. Insane ignorance about plasma sheaths. Etc.
Yet another insane rant from Sol88. Insane lies about posts and posters, about models he is totally ignorant about, that an approximation is an error, that ices are not observed, etc.
Will Sol88's insanity that we have not detected ices on comets pop up again? Or has he finally learned a real fact about comets that his demented cult denies?

Sol88's usual insanity which emphasizes Sol88's insane religious dogma that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) and that these rocks discharge in a massive solar electric field. This insanely tears the rock apart and puts gas and dust into the coma and forms their insanity of jets as electrical discharges !

Sol88's insane lie that there are no pictures of sublimation when we have hundreds if pictures of jets from sublimating ices. With the utter insanity that pictures are the only evidence of sublimating ices. We measure that comets have ices and these ices have to sublimate when comets are close to the Sun. We measure the daughter products from the sublimating ices.
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Sol88's insane lie that there are no pictures of sublimation when we have hundreds if pictures of jets from sublimating ices. With the utter insanity that pictures are the only evidence of sublimating ices. We measure that comets have ices and these ices have to sublimate when comets are close to the Sun. We measure the daughter products from the sublimating ices.
Just one will do.

Are you able to produce one of these 'oo's of pictures of sublimation?
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We measure that comets have ices and these ices have to sublimate when comets are close to the Sun. We measure the daughter products from the sublimating ices.
That's the dirtysnowball champ!

Thought you said they were icydirtballs?

You assume daughter products from sublimation!

It's just not needed.

Well, oxygen is being made...
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The thousands of insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. since 6 July 2009 from Sol88 about his cult's electric comet and electric Sun dogma.
Sol88 gives us an insane rant from Wal Thornhill about stars.
Sol88 gives us an insane video from Donald Scott: Voyager 2 and our Solar System's Birkeland Current
Yet another insane rant from Sol88. Insane lie about asteroid Bennu. Insane ignorance about plasma sheaths. Etc.
Yet another insane rant from Sol88. Insane lies about posts and posters, about models he is totally ignorant about, that an approximation is an error, that ices are not observed, etc.
Will Sol88's insanity that we have not detected ices on comets pop up again? Or has he finally learned a real fact about comets that his demented cult denies?

Sol88's usual insanity which emphasizes Sol88's insane religious dogma that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) and that these rocks discharge in a massive solar electric field. This insanely tears the rock apart and puts gas and dust into the coma and forms their insanity of jets as electrical discharges !

Sol88's insane lie that this thread does not contain images of jets from sublimating ices or that the images are not easily found. The utter insanity is that at least one of the images is of a jet on 67P issuing from inside a pit - something that his demented electric comet dogma says cannot happen !
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The thousands of insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. since 6 July 2009 from Sol88 about his cult's electric comet and electric Sun dogma.
Sol88 gives us an insane rant from Wal Thornhill about stars.
Sol88 gives us an insane video from Donald Scott: Voyager 2 and our Solar System's Birkeland Current
Yet another insane rant from Sol88. Insane lie about asteroid Bennu. Insane ignorance about plasma sheaths. Etc.
Yet another insane rant from Sol88. Insane lies about posts and posters, about models he is totally ignorant about, that an approximation is an error, that ices are not observed, etc.
Will Sol88's insanity that we have not detected ices on comets pop up again? Or has he finally learned a real fact about comets that his demented cult denies?

Sol88's usual insanity which emphasizes Sol88's insane religious dogma that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) and that these rocks discharge in a massive solar electric field. This insanely tears the rock apart and puts gas and dust into the coma and forms their insanity of jets as electrical discharges !

Sol88's insane lie that physically measuring ices sublimating is the working cometary model. An insane "assume" lie when we measure the amount of ices in comets, e.g. the ejecta from Deep Impact on Tempel 1 in 2005 (A total of 5 million kg (11 million lb) of water melted from water ice by the impact) !
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Sol88's insane lie that physically measuring ices sublimating is the working cometary model. An insane "assume" lie when we measure the amount of ices in comets, e.g. the ejecta from Deep Impact on Tempel 1 in 2005 (A total of 5 million kg (11 million lb) of water melted from water ice by the impact) !
Whoo boy!

Been show to be utterly bogus.

As i've shown multiple time to jd116!
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If it's so easy show me ONE single picture of ice on a comet sublimating!

Are you able to?
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Sol88's insane lie that physically measuring ices sublimating is the working cometary model. An insane "assume" lie when we measure the amount of ices in comets, e.g. the ejecta from Deep Impact on Tempel 1 in 2005 (A total of 5 million kg (11 million lb) of water melted from water ice by the impact) !
from wiki

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Initial results were surprising as the material excavated by the impact contained more dust and less ice than had been expected. The only models of cometary structure astronomers could positively rule out were the very porous ones which had comets as loose aggregates of material. In addition, the material was finer than expected; scientists compared it to talcum powder rather than sand.[42] Other materials found while studying the impact included clays, carbonates, sodium, and crystalline silicates which were found by studying the spectroscopy of the impact.[16] Clays and carbonates usually require liquid water to form and sodium is rare in space.[43] Observations also revealed that the comet was about 75% empty space, and one astronomer compared the outer layers of the comet to the same makeup of a snow bank.[16] Astronomers have expressed interest in more missions to different comets to determine if they share similar compositions or if there are different materials found deeper within comets that were produced at the time of the Solar System's formation.[44]
So hydrated minerals?
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The thousands of insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. since 6 July 2009 from Sol88 about his cult's electric comet and electric Sun dogma.
Sol88 gives us an insane rant from Wal Thornhill about stars.
Sol88 gives us an insane video from Donald Scott: Voyager 2 and our Solar System's Birkeland Current
Yet another insane rant from Sol88. Insane lie about asteroid Bennu. Insane ignorance about plasma sheaths. Etc.
Yet another insane rant from Sol88. Insane lies about posts and posters, about models he is totally ignorant about, that an approximation is an error, that ices are not observed, etc.
Will Sol88's insanity that we have not detected ices on comets pop up again? Or has he finally learned a real fact about comets that his demented cult denies?

Sol88's usual insanity which emphasizes Sol88's insane religious dogma that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) and that these rocks discharge in a massive solar electric field. This insanely tears the rock apart and puts gas and dust into the coma and forms their insanity of jets as electrical discharges !

Sol88's usual insane lies.
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The thousands of insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. since 6 July 2009 from Sol88 about his cult's electric comet and electric Sun dogma.
Sol88 gives us an insane rant from Wal Thornhill about stars.
Sol88 gives us an insane video from Donald Scott: Voyager 2 and our Solar System's Birkeland Current
Yet another insane rant from Sol88. Insane lie about asteroid Bennu. Insane ignorance about plasma sheaths. Etc.
Yet another insane rant from Sol88. Insane lies about posts and posters, about models he is totally ignorant about, that an approximation is an error, that ices are not observed, etc.
Will Sol88's insanity that we have not detected ices on comets pop up again? Or has he finally learned a real fact about comets that his demented cult denies?

Sol88's usual insanity which emphasizes Sol88's insane religious dogma that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) and that these rocks discharge in a massive solar electric field. This insanely tears the rock apart and puts gas and dust into the coma and forms their insanity of jets as electrical discharges !

Sol88's usual insane lies. This thread, the scientific literature, astronomy databases and science blogs have images of sublimating ices.
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The thousands of insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. since 6 July 2009 from Sol88 about his cult's electric comet and electric Sun dogma.
Sol88 gives us an insane rant from Wal Thornhill about stars.
Sol88 gives us an insane video from Donald Scott: Voyager 2 and our Solar System's Birkeland Current
Yet another insane rant from Sol88. Insane lie about asteroid Bennu. Insane ignorance about plasma sheaths. Etc.
Yet another insane rant from Sol88. Insane lies about posts and posters, about models he is totally ignorant about, that an approximation is an error, that ices are not observed, etc.
Will Sol88's insanity that we have not detected ices on comets pop up again? Or has he finally learned a real fact about comets that his demented cult denies?

Sol88's usual insanity which emphasizes Sol88's insane religious dogma that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) and that these rocks discharge in a massive solar electric field. This insanely tears the rock apart and puts gas and dust into the coma and forms their insanity of jets as electrical discharges !

Sol88's usual insanity. Deep Impact ejecta included water from water ice melted by the impact. Water is not dust .
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Only asking for one!

Do you have one, reality check?

Otherwise, sublimation an incorrect assumption that comets are mostly "ice". This is what A'Hearn said. we once thought comets were mostly ice, we now know they are mostly ROCK...

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[quote=Sol88;12961964]from wiki

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Initial results were surprising as the material excavated by the impact contained more dust and less ice than had been expected.
It does not say "no ice".

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Other materials found while studying the impact included clays, carbonates, sodium, and crystalline silicates which were found by studying the spectroscopy of the impact.[16]
[My hilite] Apart from water they found clays, carbonates etc.

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So hydrated minerals?
The article also says "A total of 5 million kg (11 million lb) of water[41] and between 10 and 25 million kg (22 and 55 million lb) of dust were lost from the impact.[39]".
So - plenty of water. Apparently, the surface has lost most of its water through sublimation, leaving it with 2-5 times as much dust.
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The thousands of insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. since 6 July 2009 from Sol88 about his cult's electric comet and electric Sun dogma.
Sol88 gives us an insane rant from Wal Thornhill about stars.
Sol88 gives us an insane video from Donald Scott: Voyager 2 and our Solar System's Birkeland Current
Yet another insane rant from Sol88. Insane lie about asteroid Bennu. Insane ignorance about plasma sheaths. Etc.
Yet another insane rant from Sol88. Insane lies about posts and posters, about models he is totally ignorant about, that an approximation is an error, that ices are not observed, etc.
Will Sol88's insanity that we have not detected ices on comets pop up again? Or has he finally learned a real fact about comets that his demented cult denies?
Sol88's January 2010 insanity of being unable to find images of comet jets from sublimating ices when this threads has several such images and Google exists !

Sol88's usual insanity which emphasizes Sol88's insane religious dogma that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) and that these rocks discharge in a massive solar electric field. This insanely tears the rock apart and puts gas and dust into the coma and forms their insanity of jets as electrical discharges !

Sol88's usual insanity and insane lies.

For others: A minute with Google gives Comet sinkholes generate jets and Active pit. One comet, 70 thousand images.

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Originally Posted by Reality Check View Post
The thousands of insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. since 6 July 2009 from Sol88 about his cult's electric comet and electric Sun dogma.
Sol88 gives us an insane rant from Wal Thornhill about stars.
Sol88 gives us an insane video from Donald Scott: Voyager 2 and our Solar System's Birkeland Current
Yet another insane rant from Sol88. Insane lie about asteroid Bennu. Insane ignorance about plasma sheaths. Etc.
Yet another insane rant from Sol88. Insane lies about posts and posters, about models he is totally ignorant about, that an approximation is an error, that ices are not observed, etc.
Will Sol88's insanity that we have not detected ices on comets pop up again? Or has he finally learned a real fact about comets that his demented cult denies?
Sol88's January 2010 insanity of being unable to find images of comet jets from sublimating ices when this threads has several such images and Google exists !

Sol88's usual insanity which emphasizes Sol88's insane religious dogma that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) and that these rocks discharge in a massive solar electric field. This insanely tears the rock apart and puts gas and dust into the coma and forms their insanity of jets as electrical discharges !

Sol88's usual insanity and insane lies.

For others: A minute with Google gives Comet sinkholes generate jets and Active pit. One comet, 70 thousand images.

Great now all you need is "ice"!
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The thousands of insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. since 6 July 2009 from Sol88 about his cult's electric comet and electric Sun dogma.
Sol88 gives us an insane rant from Wal Thornhill about stars.
Sol88 gives us an insane video from Donald Scott: Voyager 2 and our Solar System's Birkeland Current
Yet another insane rant from Sol88. Insane lie about asteroid Bennu. Insane ignorance about plasma sheaths. Etc.
Yet another insane rant from Sol88. Insane lies about posts and posters, about models he is totally ignorant about, that an approximation is an error, that ices are not observed, etc.
Will Sol88's insanity that we have not detected ices on comets pop up again? Or has he finally learned a real fact about comets that his demented cult denies?
Sol88's January 2010 insanity of being unable to find images of comet jets from sublimating ices when this thread has several such images and Google exists !

Sol88's usual insanity which emphasizes Sol88's insane religious dogma that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) and that these rocks discharge in a massive solar electric field. This insanely tears the rock apart and puts gas and dust into the coma and forms their insanity of jets as electrical discharges !

Sol88's usual insane lies.
Will Sol88's insanity that we have not detected ices on comets pop up again? Or has he finally learned a real fact about comets that his demented cult denies? The answer is that he will spew out that insanity again and again as he just has.

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from wiki


It does not say "no ice".


[My hilite] Apart from water they found clays, carbonates etc.


The article also says "A total of 5 million kg (11 million lb) of water[41] and between 10 and 25 million kg (22 and 55 million lb) of dust were lost from the impact.[39]".
So - plenty of water. Apparently, the surface has lost most of its water through sublimation, leaving it with 2-5 times as much dust.
Amazing ay!

Clays and carbonates are in the mix for the "left overs" after the formation of the solar system.

The plot thick'ns... how hot was the impact?
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Amazing ay!
Yes. I expose your cherry picking, and you choose to comment it as if you had a valid point. The fact is that you would like to ignore that there was lots and lots of ice on the surface of Tempel 1.
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Yes. I expose your cherry picking, and you choose to comment it as if you had a valid point. The fact is that you would like to ignore that there was lots and lots of ice on the surface of Tempel 1.
Clays and carbonates left over from the formation of the solar system?

Ok...
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Clays and carbonates left over from the formation of the solar system?

Ok...
This is irrelevant to the question that was discussed. Instead of continuing with this evasion, you could simply admit that you were wrong, and that there is plenty of water on comets to support the scientific theory, and then you can open a discussion about how the existence of clays and carbonates supports your electric theory about how comets work.
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This is irrelevant to the question that was discussed. Instead of continuing with this evasion, you could simply admit that you were wrong, and that there is plenty of water on comets to support the scientific theory, and then you can open a discussion about how the existence of clays and carbonates supports your electric theory about how comets work.
Would you class these as HYDRATED MINERALS?

Is the dust from 67P hydrated or anhydrous?

Where did the water go?
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I take it that your attempt to change the subject is the closest we will get to an admission that you were wrong.
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I take it that your attempt to change the subject is the closest we will get to an admission that you were wrong.

Take it anyway you like...

Still there they are hydrated minerals turned to anhydrous refractory minerals...
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The thousands of insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. since 6 July 2009 from Sol88 about his cult's electric comet and electric Sun dogma.
Sol88 gives us an insane rant from Wal Thornhill about stars.
Sol88 gives us an insane video from Donald Scott: Voyager 2 and our Solar System's Birkeland Current
Yet another insane rant from Sol88. Insane lie about asteroid Bennu. Insane ignorance about plasma sheaths. Etc.
Yet another insane rant from Sol88. Insane lies about posts and posters, about models he is totally ignorant about, that an approximation is an error, that ices are not observed, etc.
Will Sol88's insanity that we have not detected ices on comets pop up again? Or has he finally learned a real fact about comets that his demented cult denies?
Sol88's January 2010 insanity of being unable to find images of comet jets from sublimating ices when this thread has several such images and Google exists !

Sol88's usual insanity which emphasizes Sol88's insane religious dogma that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) and that these rocks discharge in a massive solar electric field. This insanely tears the rock apart and puts gas and dust into the coma and forms their insanity of jets as electrical discharges !

Sol88's usual insanity.

Asks about Deep Impact in 2005 which his demented cult has been lying about for 15 years !

Clays and carbonates are expected in comets and asteroids. They and other unique minerals are left overs from the early solar system.
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The thousands of insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. since 6 July 2009 from Sol88 about his cult's electric comet and electric Sun dogma.
Sol88 gives us an insane rant from Wal Thornhill about stars.
Sol88 gives us an insane video from Donald Scott: Voyager 2 and our Solar System's Birkeland Current
Yet another insane rant from Sol88. Insane lie about asteroid Bennu. Insane ignorance about plasma sheaths. Etc.
Yet another insane rant from Sol88. Insane lies about posts and posters, about models he is totally ignorant about, that an approximation is an error, that ices are not observed, etc.
Will Sol88's insanity that we have not detected ices on comets pop up again? Or has he finally learned a real fact about comets that his demented cult denies?
Sol88's January 2010 insanity of being unable to find images of comet jets from sublimating ices when this thread has several such images and Google exists !

Sol88's usual insanity which emphasizes Sol88's insane religious dogma that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) and that these rocks discharge in a massive solar electric field. This insanely tears the rock apart and puts gas and dust into the coma and forms their insanity of jets as electrical discharges !

Sol88's usual insanity of ignoring his demented cult's electric comet dogma.
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The thousands of insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. since 6 July 2009 from Sol88 about his cult's electric comet and electric Sun dogma.
Sol88 gives us an insane rant from Wal Thornhill about stars.
Sol88 gives us an insane video from Donald Scott: Voyager 2 and our Solar System's Birkeland Current
Yet another insane rant from Sol88. Insane lie about asteroid Bennu. Insane ignorance about plasma sheaths. Etc.
Yet another insane rant from Sol88. Insane lies about posts and posters, about models he is totally ignorant about, that an approximation is an error, that ices are not observed, etc.
Will Sol88's insanity that we have not detected ices on comets pop up again? Or has he finally learned a real fact about comets that his demented cult denies?
Sol88's January 2010 insanity of being unable to find images of comet jets from sublimating ices when this thread has several such images and Google exists !

Sol88's usual insanity which emphasizes Sol88's insane religious dogma that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) and that these rocks discharge in a massive solar electric field. This insanely tears the rock apart and puts gas and dust into the coma and forms their insanity of jets as electrical discharges !

Sol88's usual insanity of ignoring his demented cult's electric comet dogma.
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The thousands of insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. since 6 July 2009 from Sol88 about his cult's electric comet and electric Sun dogma.
Sol88 gives us an insane rant from Wal Thornhill about stars.
Sol88 gives us an insane video from Donald Scott: Voyager 2 and our Solar System's Birkeland Current
Yet another insane rant from Sol88. Insane lie about asteroid Bennu. Insane ignorance about plasma sheaths. Etc.
Yet another insane rant from Sol88. Insane lies about posts and posters, about models he is totally ignorant about, that an approximation is an error, that ices are not observed, etc.
Will Sol88's insanity that we have not detected ices on comets pop up again? Or has he finally learned a real fact about comets that his demented cult denies?
Sol88's January 2010 insanity of being unable to find images of comet jets from sublimating ices when this thread has several such images and Google exists !

Sol88's usual insanity which emphasizes Sol88's insane religious dogma that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) and that these rocks discharge in a massive solar electric field. This insanely tears the rock apart and puts gas and dust into the coma and forms their insanity of jets as electrical discharges !

Sol88's usual insanity of gibberish ignoring his demented cult's electric comet dogma.
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For others: Rosetta: A Comet’s List of Ingredients
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The dust that comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko emits into space consists to about one half of organic molecules. The dust belongs to the most pristine and carbon-rich material known in our solar system and has hardly changed since its birth. These results of the COSIMA team are published today in the journal Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society. ...
It is striking that they are almost exclusively non-hydrated minerals i.e. missing water compounds.
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So shed loads of HYDROGEN locked up in the organic matter along with the comet producing its own oxygen...




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The thousands of insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. since 6 July 2009 from Sol88 about his cult's electric comet and electric Sun dogma.
Sol88 gives us an insane rant from Wal Thornhill about stars.
Sol88 gives us an insane video from Donald Scott: Voyager 2 and our Solar System's Birkeland Current
Yet another insane rant from Sol88. Insane lie about asteroid Bennu. Insane ignorance about plasma sheaths. Etc.
Yet another insane rant from Sol88. Insane lies about posts and posters, about models he is totally ignorant about, that an approximation is an error, that ices are not observed, etc.
Will Sol88's insanity that we have not detected ices on comets pop up again? Or has he finally learned a real fact about comets that his demented cult denies?
Sol88's January 2010 insanity of being unable to find images of comet jets from sublimating ices when this thread has several such images and Google exists !

Sol88's usual insanity which emphasizes Sol88's insane religious dogma that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) and that these rocks discharge in a massive solar electric field. This insanely tears the rock apart and puts gas and dust into the coma and forms their insanity of jets as electrical discharges !

Sol88's insanity about Rosetta: A Comet’s List of Ingredients listing organic compounds that we see just about everywhere in space. This is standard cometary science.

Sol88's usual insanity of not understanding science.
Rosetta: A Comet’s List of Ingredients is yet another debunking of his demoted cult's insane electric comet dogma. Planetary rocks, especially on Earth, are saturated with water, 67P dust is dry !

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Take it anyway you like...

Still there they are hydrated minerals turned to anhydrous refractory minerals...

Really? At what temperature did that occur at the comet? Got any proof for those temperatures at a comet? Of course not. More non-scientific gibberish. Believe it or not, experiments have been carried out, and proposals made, regarding using hydrated minerals at Mars and elsewhere to support human habitation. Some of these experiments, iirc, took place in Australia. Sol should avail himself of a search engine, and have a look for this. In particular, at the temperatures required to achieve the de-volitilisation (if that isn't a word, it is now!). Hint: not happening at a comet.
And many asteroids also contain hydrated minerals. They do not have a coma. The Moon has hydrated minerals. It does not have a coma. It gets rather toasty on the sunlit side of the Moon. Much toastier than 67P ever got. So, basically, dumb idea. Next.
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Paper has been debunked. As has been mentioned here numerous times. And the authors have accepted that. Numbers are out by orders of magnitude. Process itself is highly unlikely. Do try to keep up, otherwise we have to keep going over the same nonsense that has already been debunked.

On the origin of molecular oxygen in cometary comae
Heritier, K. L. et al.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s414...df?origin=ppub

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Molecular oxygen was detected in the coma of 67P by the on-board Rosetta Orbiter Spectrometer for Ion and Neutral Analysis (ROSINA)–Double Focusing Mass Spectrometer (DFMS). It had a high volume mixing of about 1–10%. Primordial O2 within the nucleus of comet 67P is compatible with the instrumental observations. Yao and Giapis proposed an alternative mechanism. The Eley–Rideal (ER) reactions of energetic water-group ions with Si/Fe oxides, or other minerals present on the surface of the nucleus, can generate O2-. Yao and Giapis suggested that O2- and energetic O2 (after photo-detachment) generated through ER reactions can be detected by ROSINA–DFMS and must be an important contributor of the O2 reported. In this correspondence paper, we do not disregard the fact that ER reactions can happen on the surface of the nucleus. However, we demonstrate that the amounts of O2-produced through ER reactions cannot explain a significant fraction of the O2 detected by ROSINA–DFMS. In addition, we find that O2- and energetic O2 generated through ER reactions could not be efficiently converted into the ROSINA–DFMS instrument and are therefore not responsible for the reported measurements
In addition, as was also suggested to the lead author by a certain jd116, their claims of production within the instruments themselves are not consistent with the Alice observations, which show differences with regards to the impact parameter. In other words, whether the instrument is looking at the limb, or far away from the limb. This was also later noted in another paper addressing their claims;

Origin of Molecular Oxygen in Comets: Current Knowledge and Perspectives
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It is also important to note that Alice has detected O2 independently of ROSINA (Keeney et al.2017a), and post-perihelion Alice results indicate that the relative O2/H2O decreases with increasing impact parameter above the nucleus (Keeney et al.2017b). Although the Alice measurements may arguably be affected by spacecraft-produced O2, the observed O2/H2O variation with impact parameter would be unlikely within this framework.
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Liar!


No sublimation observed...

A single picture of sublimation on a comet will do...


Click to enlarge.

Water and CO2! Nowhere else it can be coming from.

EDIT:

Oh, and another one from early in the Rosetta mission;

The diurnal cycle of water ice on comet 67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko
De Sanctis, M. C. et al (2015)
https://www.researchgate.net/profile...erasimenko.pdf

Summary of paper for hard of thinking;

We see ice on the comet in a certain location, when it is in shadow. We don't see it when it is in sunlight. Rinse and repeat.

See Fig. 3 for clarification. Questions for the interested student;

1) What is the temperature when ice is most abundant?
2) What is the temperature when it is less abundant?
3) What temperatures are required to drive water out of hydrated minerals?
4) Are these temperatures consistent with those observed in this paper?
5) What are the obvious conclusions to be drawn from the observations?

Answers below;


1) ~ 165-170 K.
2) ~ 185-200 K.
3) From memory, > 500 K.
4) No.
5) That they observed sublimation.
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Take it anyway you like...

Still there they are hydrated minerals turned to anhydrous refractory minerals...
Multiple evasions and failure to answer steenkh's questions and observations duly noted. It does not matter a jot about the clays and carbonates, when ice and water vapour are also seen in the ejecta in great quantities, as has been pointed out to you numerous times.
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