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28th June 2013, 08:12 AM | #481 |
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Seen one?
She knows you personally and we don't. You have been unable to convince her that the thermal was a Bigfoot? Is she attacking the arguer instead of the argument? Did you show her the PGF leg-lift and did she still go all ad hominem on you? |
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28th June 2013, 01:04 PM | #482 |
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I'm not a follower of the vast amount of information that gets discussed inthe bigfoot threads here, but maybe someone who is bored of the current debate can answer this for me, even though I'm sure it has already been discussed...
What is the explanation for the PGF ending when it does. Since they are claiming to be filming bigfoot, I am wondering if anyone knows their explanation for why they didn't follow the thing, keep filing it, try to track it, shoot it, gather other witnesses, etc. One gets the impression that they just set up the camera, a bigfoot walked right in front of them out in the open, and they packed up the camera and went home. It seems like a wierd reaction if you just caught a bigfoot in broad daylight out in the open, so they must have an explanation I'm sure. |
28th June 2013, 01:24 PM | #483 |
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He ran out of film, and while he reloaded and they gathered up the spooked horses, Bigfoot got away..
Of course, that doesn't answer why there was never a concerted follow up, but no one ever made any money ( in those days ) tracking a real Bigfoot.. The money was in traveling the country and showing the film .. Never mind that the real answer, is that you don't waste your time tracking a Bigfoot that you know does not exist... |
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28th June 2013, 03:48 PM | #484 |
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28th June 2013, 03:52 PM | #485 |
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Indeed. If I knew where there had been hanging out a pregnant bigfoot with a massive thigh hernia that prevented her from walking any faster than a Washington State cowboy in outsized flip-flops, you can be danged sure I'd have spent the rest of the season camped right there at Bluff Creek.
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28th June 2013, 07:00 PM | #486 |
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29th June 2013, 06:42 AM | #487 |
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29th June 2013, 06:47 AM | #488 |
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With Brian Brown and his group an obvious exception. They are to return to The Valley of the Wood Ape again this season.
It will be interestesting to see what lies Brown uses this season to explain why they can't shoot a wood ape. The pinned thread at BFF shows him clearly making stuff up as he goes along, IMHO. I think Patterson was smart by never going back to Bluff Creek as he never has to answer the question, why can't you find Patty again. Brown and his group of commandos can only dig themselves a deeper hole as to why they can't collect a speciman. |
29th June 2013, 10:24 AM | #489 |
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I call it the Ghost Hunters model; they've been on the TV huntin' for spooks for nearly ten years, yet no spooks. Folks jump on the wagon and folks jump off. TBRC changing their name to NAWAC was a good move because never ever shooting a wood ape guarantees their conservation all right.
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29th June 2013, 12:23 PM | #490 |
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Why? Seriously. I used to be a proponent of bigfoot in a huge way, even created a bigfoot website in the mid-late 90's that was somewhat popular.
Forty plus years of following this mystery had me transition from full blown believer, to a fence-sitter who had serious doubts, but left the door open a crack for the possibility, to more of a denier, a scoftic if you will. If someone presents a body, a verified piece of a body, or some actual DNA, not some self-promoted claims of habituation, a body, or DNA, then I'll be back on board. Until then I have no reason to accept claims of bigfoot without sufficient evidence. To the Moneymakers, Bipto Browns, and other smooth talkers and snake-oil salesmen, I have but two words -- "Prove it". (two other two-word combinations come to mind, but the auto-censor won't allow them) RayG |
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29th June 2013, 01:27 PM | #491 |
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For only $500, the BFRO takes care of all arrangements for the expedition. All you have to bring is
So you'd pretty much have to bring your own Zagnut bars. I guess the 500 bucks goes towards miscellaneous costs like hiring people to throw rocks at the expedition and to pose for thermal images. |
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29th June 2013, 06:42 PM | #496 |
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My "belief" of the bigguy is almost completely done. Over at the BFF, a guy posted a thing on Patty and I now see seems and folds.
Plus, I think I finally figured out what may have made the tracks I saw - Mtn Lion bounding through the snow. And yes, that was funny William P. |
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Welcome to reality COGrizzly.
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29th June 2013, 08:19 PM | #498 |
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I've seen these new Patty images ran through Blurity software. They look as fake as ever. More so? I don't know, I can't really say as I'm not a believer in Patty. Is there such a thing as "more fake"?
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29th June 2013, 08:53 PM | #499 |
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I can't say I blame Sweaty for that because there aren't many good frames of the film available. Sharpening them seems to make the dark patterns on Patty's body look even more like folds than they already do. Here's a comparison of the frame in question, compared to an untouched and cropped frame 352 of high quality
There have been some theories that some of the lines that run across her hip are where the lower piece of the suit attaches to the butt part. I'm not so sure if that's the case here. I think what people are seeing could be different patterns of the hair that have ended up looking like something else in low quality versions. |
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Wow, I see a new gap at the rear of the armpit and a new fold at the front of the hip near the crotch. Bravo, 'footers! Patty looks more fake than ever!
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30th June 2013, 06:55 AM | #501 |
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Raggedy Patty.
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30th June 2013, 08:35 AM | #502 |
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30th June 2013, 01:26 PM | #505 |
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That's interesting. You can probably guess why, and I wonder. If you look over how they select their participants, there is a vetting process via email and posting on a message board where you have to prove to be a sufficient dupe.
If you were someone from the area with extensive local knowledge and were a skeptic you would be a real killjoy. Their methodology is to go out and look for suitable sites, then come back in the evening for a kind of 'footer masturbation fest. Orgasm at something sounding like a tree knock, and then run away. If you have someone making fun of you at the same time it really kills the mood. |
1st July 2013, 05:43 AM | #506 |
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Don't forget Permit, gotta have the permit. Oh and don't bring a gun, the 'knowers' aren't dumb enough to let the 'dupes' think they can bring in a specimen. That would be detrimental to the endeavor.
Which brings me to the new definitions: The Bigfoot believers who are 'knowers' i.e. they have seen one, are actually the dupes. The Bigfoot 'experts', are the actual 'knowers', they know that bigfoot is not real, but pretend to be knowers in so far as they can make money off of the dupes. There can be 'dupes' that act like 'knowers', they are not making money, and they really think Bigfoot is real. They wan't to be a true knower, but have not realized that Bigfoot in reality is not real, and only carry on their knowing, because they are duped by the actual knowers (those carrying out the duping) |
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1st July 2013, 10:33 AM | #507 |
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Wow, this is fascinating! I'd love to see more frames sharpened with this exact software. It's like looking at a pic taken from a few feet away, though I don't know how reliable the resolution is. That exterior tummy/hip fold is a dead giveaway that it's a suit, IMO.
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1st July 2013, 12:07 PM | #508 |
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More people believe in this garbage than ever, still baffles me. I see Munns has been chattin bollocks again... What a gem!
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I had a funny PM from Munns before he got banned. I already knew he was a joke, but his PM confirmed it. Man's a wasteman innit
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12th August 2013, 06:48 AM | #512 |
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Bill goes to work writing multi page letters to Columbia University Press, and to the Board of Trustees at Columbia, criticizing the book 'Abominable Science' by Daniel Loxton and Donald Prothero.
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"I dont call that evolution, I call that the survival of the fittest." - Bulletmaker "I thought skeptics would usually point towards a hoax rather than a group being duped." - makaya325 Kit is not a skeptic. He is a former Bigfoot believer that changed his position to that of non believer.- Crowlogic |
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12th August 2013, 10:25 AM | #513 |
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http://www.sasquatchforum.proboards....-damned?page=2
You can read the entire 7 page letter he sent to the Columbia University Press and the Board of Trustees here. Scroll down to the post dated Aug 7, 2013 at 7:13pm |
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"I dont call that evolution, I call that the survival of the fittest." - Bulletmaker "I thought skeptics would usually point towards a hoax rather than a group being duped." - makaya325 Kit is not a skeptic. He is a former Bigfoot believer that changed his position to that of non believer.- Crowlogic |
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12th August 2013, 10:37 AM | #514 |
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I think I know what Columbia University Press will be doing with Munns' wall of meaninglessness...
Into the trash it goes... |
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That guy certainly could teach them all a trick or two....
I would love to read his critics to Munns works. Truth is- it not worth of his efforts and time. |
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12th August 2013, 03:34 PM | #517 |
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I think Patty was a senile ole' bigfoot gal with some grooming issues.
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12th August 2013, 04:32 PM | #518 |
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Perhaps Bill's expectations are a little high, but I think he makes a good point about the book. Skepticism isn't about drawing conclusions from weak evidence. That's what Bigfooters do
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I have read the book and the bigfoot chapter is very well done, as is the Nessie chapter.
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