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11th June 2010, 06:31 AM | #41 |
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11th June 2010, 07:38 AM | #44 |
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If you think this thread is a vessel of scorn, check out this one:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...d.php?t=133244 Ad hom is not always fallacious by default, and scorn is sometimes well earned .. So, what are your thoughts about this Bigfoot thing, and the PGF in particular ? |
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11th June 2010, 08:00 AM | #46 |
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Out of interest, when is Ad Hom as a logical argument not fallacious?
I'm just curious. I thought the illustration (in someone's sig) went: Ad Hom: Your argument is wrong because you are ugly Not an Ad Hom: You argument is wrong and you are ugly (Not that I'm disagreeing that scorn isn't often well earned. And fun sometimes.) |
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11th June 2010, 08:11 AM | #47 |
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Argument: I can have any woman I want.
Ad Hom argument: No you can't, because you are ugly . There are probably not a lot of logical ad hom arguments, but they are there.. ( I see Aepervius helped while I was composing.. ) |
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11th June 2010, 11:15 PM | #49 |
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And you're whining about my post as a result of failing to read its entirety.
Bill is a self proclaimed expert on a number of disciplines, including an engineer, despite never attending university for this subject. Hence, if I utilized the Munns' method of academic achievements, I could have saved 4 years of engineering studies. How it's relevant to a guy in an ape suit, I haven't the slightest clue. But Bill seems to think so. He seems to think the more fictitious credentials he possesses, the better. |
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12th June 2010, 11:01 PM | #51 |
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Odds of a hoax less than 1 in 20000? That's hilarious.
How about the fact that the clowns who filmed it were on a Bigfoot hunting mission? That's not suspicious or anything. I'd love to know what the odds of finding a Bigfoot on a Bigfoot hunting trip are. And on the first day no less. |
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"Take the children, but LEAVE ME MY MONKEY!" --Dewey Cox, in "Walk Hard: the Dewey Cox Story." "The main skill of bigfoot investigators is finding ways to deny the obvious." --DFoot |
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21st June 2010, 02:08 PM | #54 |
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Bill Munns Calculates Probability of Patterson/Gimlin film Being faked at 0.00005
I presume this is from a scientific article published in a peer-review journal, with no significant objections he couldn't adequately address during that process. |
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29th June 2010, 02:19 PM | #57 |
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I find it highly probable that Bill Munns never took a course in probability.
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29th June 2010, 04:50 PM | #58 |
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Probably not.
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Word of advice. Never listed to hysterical cows who invent fictious facts.
I never met Cameron. Haven't talked to Speilberg in 25 years. My source for my understanding of probability is: The Life Science Library was a popular series of hardbound books published by Time-Life between 1963 and 1967. Each of the 26 volumes explored a major topic of the natural sciences. They were intended for, and written at a level appropriate to, an educated lay readership. In each volume, the text of each of eight chapters was followed by a "Picture Essay" lavishly illustrating the subject of the preceding chapter. The Consulting Editors of the series were microbiologist Rene Dubos, physicist Henry Margenau, and physicist and novelist C.P. Snow. Each volume was written by a primary author (or authors) "and the Editors of LIFE". The 26 volumes in the series were: Matter (1963), by Ralph E. Lapp Energy (1963), by Mitchell Wilson Mathematics (1963), by David Bergamini great book, with a fine section on the elements of probability, and a great discussion of topology too. As for the "self-proclaimed probability statitician" that's pure BS invented by the feeble minds here because I don't know much about statistics and the work of statistiticians and certainly never "proclaimed" any expertise in such. Guess the feeble minds don't know the difference between probability as a mathematical specialty and statistical analysis, which is a seperate endeavor entirely, and only overlaps with probability in actuarial predictions based on the statistical databases. But delusional morons do like to let their own fantesies take over their minds, and they invent BS about other people. This thread is a showcase for it. Seriously, people, why don't you get a life, instead of pouring through mine. I'm not that interesting, that you have to go to all the effort to invent lies about me. Why don't you give that effort to the truth of your own life and accomplishments. it would be time far better spent. Bill |
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Come on Bill, why don't you tell them how you really feel ?
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30th June 2010, 09:31 PM | #62 |
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Bigfoot believers and Bigfoot skeptics are both plumb crazy. Each spends more than one minute per year thinking about Bigfoot. |
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I skimmed the thread and didn't notice anyone pointing out the basic flaw of the title. This is not a random situation to which probability applies. You can't point at a video of anything and assign it a probability with any real meaning. The video either was real or faked, but it is in no way random.
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Bill's target audience couldn't possibly grasp that .. He's banking on it ...( .... Really )
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Parcher, if you drew that yourself, then I am nominating it.
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"I dont call that evolution, I call that the survival of the fittest." - Bulletmaker "I thought skeptics would usually point towards a hoax rather than a group being duped." - makaya325 Kit is not a skeptic. He is a former Bigfoot believer that changed his position to that of non believer.- Crowlogic |
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Yep. Noticed that years ago when tornado videos began to become a lot more common. Tornados, ships sinking, car crashes, plane crashes, other gruesome stuff. Lots more.
Ghosts, UFOs*, Bigfeet, Nessies, Chupachups**, magic, telekinesis***, and so on, still nothing. * Although films increased, they all turned into IFOs. ** Though why people doubt their existance, I'll never know. *** See * |
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The wisdom of Diogenes.... "So far, I am not aware of any evidence which indicates with any degree of likeliness, however small, that Bigfoot creatures exist....anywhere in the world." tyr13: "There is no proof of bigfoot so there is no proof that bigfoot isn't a bear." |
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Bigfoot believers and Bigfoot skeptics are both plumb crazy. Each spends more than one minute per year thinking about Bigfoot. |
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Bill Munns is now doing video reports on YouTube. The first one shows a 3-D animation of the Patty filming.
I'm not sure what the exposed face makeup thing is supposed to represent in the context of the PGF. |
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I think he is showing that to contrast with the living real beast. He put the most obvious hollywood type mask on the 1st frame, and the patty face on the second.
I also get from this, HOW CAN ANYONE POSSIBLY THINK THAT THAT CONTRAPTION IS PART OF PATTY, therefore patty is a real beast. |
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That was an impressive effort at camoflaging an ad Hominem. What do they call it when someone is doing the same thing they criticize in others?
You are also wrong in your assertion no believers come here. Not only do we see Sweaty and Odin as long-timers, but Bill Munns even. You have BFBM who has made some good contributions nevertheless on literature and maps, the site area etc. Then of course there's the Blevinator himself. He made a bigfoot suit but still believes in bigfoot as the reincarnation of some biblical people. You only need one proof by counterexample. I just gave five. So your whole thesis has been decimated and we are left with an empty ad-hom. I don't see the Bigfoot posters here as kids. Not that it would matter. You have some kind of hatred of kids, and it manifests itself here? Odd. Hoaxers for profit commit theft by fraud. Patterson did. He took money from people for showing a film he hoaxed, while insisting it was real. Munns is a fascinating study, similar to Dr. Merldumb, where they erect this massive wall of pretentious pseudo-science as a smoke-screen for an underlying fraud for money. This kind of con-game evinces a behavior pattern proving they don't believe the hoax themselves, just like Roger Patterson. For one thing, you have to control the debate. Overwhelm with red herrings, not allow cross-examination, while ignoring elephants in the room. In Bill Munns' massive tome, he spends not one word on how splicing is concealed by cutting between frames instead of through them. He lies by showing a repair while pretending it to be a splice. You don't purposefully splice through a frame. You splice between them. Bill Munns has not acknowledged positively that the PGF can be edited by splicing between frames, and he would not be able to detect this unless he had the original himself. This was a massive reel of film for which we have only seconds that remain - Duh! It was edited! So Bill Munns has to make his own definition up for what means by "edited". I need a formula here that ends up with 1/20,000 as the answer. Does he actually do that? |
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