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Old Yesterday, 01:00 AM   #1921
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No, Pixel, but if it is OK for you to add words and commas within quote marks, it can also be read as 'all Leave voters, who want Eastern Europeans out, are xenophobic'. Given the alternative interpretations possible I simply asked my question to seek clarification. And Vixen gave that clarification.
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Originally Posted by MikeG View Post
How many? Where have you got this from? That's approx. 3 for every country on the planet.
From this post upthread:

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CNN posted a lovely infographic of something the British government barely mentioned thus far.

UK relied on EU for external trade and cooperation treaties for decades. Once out of EU the treaties will no longer apply. UK needs to figure out which ones it needs and which ones it can do away with and renegotiate them. There are over 600 treaties with 150 states in total, I guesstimate UK needs about 100-150 of them.

Given that the country was forced to import negotiators from New Zealand for Brexit, I foresee a series of miserable failures on this front.

http://money.cnn.com/interactive/new...exit-treaties/

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Old Yesterday, 04:17 AM   #1923
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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
Problem I can see is that Finland for one, has a seven-year nationality rule, which includes being able to speak the language, a hurdle many Brits in Finland find impossible to clear.
Tsk tsk. Finland has three official languages (including Finnish Sign Language). The other official spoken language should not be a big problem for Brits.

(this apart from what Aber said about residence rights vs. citizenship)
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Old Yesterday, 05:06 AM   #1924
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Originally Posted by MikeG View Post
No, Pixel, but if it is OK for you to add words and commas within quote marks, it can also be read as 'all Leave voters, who want Eastern Europeans out, are xenophobic'. Given the alternative interpretations possible I simply asked my question to seek clarification. And Vixen gave that clarification.
Why would that be okay?

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Originally Posted by Amazer View Post
According to the following FT article

https://www.ft.com/content/f1435a8e-...0fd2e?mhq5j=e1

the UK will have to negotiate at least 759 treaties just to reach the point where it's now while it's in the EU
That's resolving 2 treaties every working day until the current deadline - I did not include possible national holidays in my rough calculation since that might make the task harder and appear unreasonable.
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Originally Posted by Belgian thought View Post
That's resolving 2 treaties every working day until the current deadline - I did not include possible national holidays in my rough calculation since that might make the task harder and appear unreasonable.
While the UK is still in the EU, it's not allowed on its own to negotiate trade treaties. They can only start when the ink on the Brexit deal is dry.
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While the UK is still in the EU, it's not allowed on its own to negotiate trade treaties. They can only start when the ink on the Brexit deal is dry.
Thanks for clarification - I did not know that.

Even more difficult for the UK.

I suppose there will be a lot of "diplomatic" activity going on in the background then.
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Originally Posted by Belgian thought View Post
Thanks for clarification - I did not know that.

Even more difficult for the UK.

I suppose there will be a lot of "diplomatic" activity going on in the background then.
That would involve having a plan.
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And people capable of carrying out that plan.
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Old Yesterday, 10:10 AM   #1930
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Originally Posted by jimbob View Post
That would involve having a plan.
That would be the only one left. Diplomatic talks behind closed Embassy doors.

Negotiating in parallel - risky (if Brexit negotiations go against some behind the door negotiations) but, the only option.

Needs a lot of coordinating but feasible.

Britain is good at that so all may not be as bad as it seems.

I hope so.
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Originally Posted by Belgian thought View Post
That would be the only one left. Diplomatic talks behind closed Embassy doors.

Negotiating in parallel - risky (if Brexit negotiations go against some behind the door negotiations) but, the only option.

Needs a lot of coordinating but feasible.

Britain is good at that so all may not be as bad as it seems.

I hope so.
Britain already had to import NZ negotiators for the Brexit itself; all good British negotiators are employed in Brussels. Where are they getting the manpower?

On top of that, the EU might sanction the UK for doing so.
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On top of that, the EU might sanction the UK for doing so.
If they find out...

As I said, it is the only risky option.

ETA - The NZ negotiators are for the Brexit negotiations and not for Diplomatic ones. The two are different worlds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUC8dJ0D6sA
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Originally Posted by Belgian thought View Post
That would be the only one left. Diplomatic talks behind closed Embassy doors.

Negotiating in parallel - risky (if Brexit negotiations go against some behind the door negotiations) but, the only option.

Needs a lot of coordinating but feasible.

Britain is good at that so all may not be as bad as it seems.

I hope so.
Yes, but our foreign secretary is Boris Johnson
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Old Yesterday, 10:35 AM   #1934
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Yes, but our foreign secretary is Boris Johnson
True - but the Foreign Office has always set its own agenda.

ETA For light relief - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swKsughT3vM
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Originally Posted by Belgian thought View Post
True - but the Foreign Office has always set its own agenda.

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Originally Posted by Belgian thought View Post
Thanks for clarification - I did not know that.

Even more difficult for the UK.

I suppose there will be a lot of "diplomatic" activity going on in the background then.
This is why Liam Fox has been jetting around, but with nothing to show for it other than airmiles..
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Originally Posted by jimbob View Post
Yes, but our foreign secretary is Boris Johnson
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Originally Posted by Belgian thought View Post
True - but the Foreign Office has always set its own agenda.

ETA For light relief - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swKsughT3vM
Which (is)land is Britain trying to split up in the Brexit negotiations?
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I think you meant to post this as being more accurate

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No!

I meant this, as before, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUC8dJ0D6sA



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Which (is)land is Britain trying to split up in the Brexit negotiations?
"The Prince" is not solely island centric
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"The Prince" is not solely island centric
No but two of the four examples of successful British rule given in that "Yes Prime Minister" clip you posted were islands - Cyprus and Ireland, the other two being India and Palestine.
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No but two of the four examples of successful British rule given in that "Yes Prime Minister" clip you posted were islands - Cyprus and Ireland, the other two being India and Palestine.
I know - my bad. It is as if the UK would not do that to any mainland countries.
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