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Old 3rd February 2017, 06:21 AM   #401
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Originally Posted by Slings and Arrows View Post
Add to that, their blatant discrimination against an openly Gay individual (Homophobia). It's time to withhold all federal funds. Why should the taxpayers be forced to fund Berkeley's cesspool of hate and intolerance?
The anarchists are not part of the university.

But, as I said, I've seen a lot of despicable behaviour against conservative speakers before this riot. By students and student organisations.

It must be possible to listen to Ben Shapiro without fear that his ideas will cause people to become anti-Abortion, or lawyers, or Orthodox Jews. You can listen to people you disagree with (you should, even). Perhaps debate them. or counter their arguments in a blog or Youtube video.

I mean, I've listened to a couple of Richard Spencer podcasts and have gassed relatively few Jews this week.
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Old 3rd February 2017, 06:26 AM   #402
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Originally Posted by Eddie Dane View Post
The anarchists are not part of the university.

But, as I said, I've seen a lot of despicable behaviour against conservative speakers before this riot. By students and student organisations.

It must be possible to listen to Ben Shapiro without fear that his ideas will cause people to become anti-Abortion, or lawyers, or Orthodox Jews. You can listen to people you disagree with (you should, even). Perhaps debate them. or counter their arguments in a blog or Youtube video.

I mean, I've listened to a couple of Richard Spencer podcasts and have gassed relatively few Jews this week.
I disagree. People like Milo and Spencer should not be listened to, and speaking engagements should be protested. Venues should be pressured to remove their appointments and visitors to the events should be pressured and harrassed. This is how we lay bare who's peddling neo-Nazism. That's what we are talking about when we say "better out in the open than hidden away". All of this falls under the first amendment.

What should not be done is committing violence against the audience* or destruction of private property.

* I have no issue with someone socking Spencer or Milo in the face.
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Old 3rd February 2017, 06:27 AM   #403
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Originally Posted by Eddie Dane View Post
The anarchists are not part of the university.

But, as I said, I've seen a lot of despicable behaviour against conservative speakers before this riot. By students and student organisations.

It must be possible to listen to Ben Shapiro without fear that his ideas will cause people to become anti-Abortion, or lawyers, or Orthodox Jews. You can listen to people you disagree with (you should, even). Perhaps debate them. or counter their arguments in a blog or Youtube video.

I mean, I've listened to a couple of Richard Spencer podcasts and have gassed relatively few Jews this week.
Eh, Shapiro's a bit different than Milo or Spencer. He's still a fool, but he at least tries to be consistent (eg. he's happy to note that Milo has repeatedly tried to silence others), and he's actually a good debater. In other words, there's some sort of excuse for bringing him in as an intellectual, unlike Spencer (the Neo-Nazi wannabe) or Milo (again, just a troll).
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Milo on Tucker Carlson last night. I've started it* Go to 4:30 where Milo makes an important point I'd like to emphasize, which is that hyperbolic attacks by liberals and the mainstream media (but I repeat myself) on conservatives actually does facilitate a violent response. University administrators, government officials, and political pundits routinely call Milo's speech "hate speech" which is absurd:

Meh, use this link.

*For some reason, the usual methods for starting a Youtube video at a certain point don't work anymore. For example, adding &start=270 to the link should have done the trick. It used to work.

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Add to that, their blatant discrimination against an openly Gay individual (Homophobia). It's time to withhold all federal funds. Why should the taxpayers be forced to fund Berkeley's cesspool of hate and intolerance?
Here we see the fruits of Breitbart's "see, we're totally not gay-bashers" strategy of having an openly Gay (sic) individual do their homophobic messaging. Then, when the LGBT community voices criticism, they can go 'hey stop being homophobic!'

But no really, why are gay and homophobia capitalized? :9

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Old 3rd February 2017, 06:37 AM   #406
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Milo plays exactly the same role as Ben Carson: a token minority person, a fig-leaf to protect against a certain line of attack.
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Originally Posted by Mumbles View Post
Eh, Shapiro's a bit different than Milo or Spencer. He's still a fool, but he at least tries to be consistent (eg. he's happy to note that Milo has repeatedly tried to silence others), and he's actually a good debater. In other words, there's some sort of excuse for bringing him in as an intellectual, unlike Spencer (the Neo-Nazi wannabe) or Milo (again, just a troll).
Shapiro is a boring mainstream conservative. He's basically a 1950's dad.
-Finish school
-Save money
-Embryos are people
-Don't have kids till you're married

Those are basically his talking points.

But despite that, I've seen livestream footage of rabid leftie students trying to physically block his audience from reaching his venue, and then locking him and his audience in the venue by keeping the doors locked. Shapiro had to be escorted out the backdoor by security. The audience was locked up and had to wait till the left-winged students got bored and ended their siege.

There is no room for diversity of thought in higher learning institutions and that is very dangerous.
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Milo on Tucker Carlson last night. I've started it* Go to 4:30 where Milo makes an important point I'd like to emphasize, which is that hyperbolic attacks by liberals and the mainstream media (but I repeat myself) on conservatives actually does facilitate a violent response. University administrators, government officials, and political pundits routinely call Milo's speech "hate speech" which is absurd:
Because for the 719th time there's a difference between criticizing someone for how they are born vesus criticizing someone for their completely free-will choice to be a twatwaffle.
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I disagree. People like Milo and Spencer should not be listened to, and speaking engagements should be protested. Venues should be pressured to remove their appointments and visitors to the events should be pressured and harrassed. This is how we lay bare who's peddling neo-Nazism. That's what we are talking about when we say "better out in the open than hidden away". All of this falls under the first amendment.

What should not be done is committing violence against the audience* or destruction of private property.

* I have no issue with someone socking Spencer or Milo in the face.
I disagree. That is not how things are supposed to work in the US. I realize Europe, and in particular Sweden, does not value free speech, but Americans do. At least most Americans do. If you don't like what I have to say, put me on ignore*, but don't try to stop me from posting.

*LOL.
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I disagree. That is not how things are supposed to work in the US. I realize Europe, and in particular Sweden, does not value free speech, but Americans do. At least most Americans do. If you don't like what I have to say, put me on ignore*, but don't try to stop me from posting.

*LOL.
Free speech does not mean you must be provided with a venue or platform. Are you being imprisoned or murdered by the government for what you've said?

Case closed.
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Because for the 719th time there's a difference between criticizing someone for how they are born vesus criticizing someone for their completely free-will choice to be a twatwaffle.
I disagree. I have the right to speak out against c-sections if I want. There are probably too many as it is.
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Free speech does not mean you must be provided with a venue or platform.
No, but it does mean that people shouldn't be actively trying to take away a platform that you were freely provided by people who wanted to hear what you had to say. Freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, freedom of association. All of that is in the bill of rights. More than that, they are core values of most Americans. Even if the city of Berkeley and the university (which is a government institution) hadn't failed in their duty to provide adequate security, it would still be wrong to shut down speech outside the government context. Not legally wrong, but morally.

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No, but it does mean that people should be actively trying to take away a platform that you were freely provided by people who wanted to hear what you had to say. Freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, freedom of association. All of that is in the bill of rights. More than that, they are core values of most Americans. Even if the city of Berkeley and the university (which is a government institution) hadn't failed in their duty to provide adequate security, it would still be wrong to shut down speech outside the government context. Not legally wrong, but morally.
Is Milo in prison?

Is Milo dead from government forces?

Has Milo been fined by a court judgment?

Is Milo being repeatedly harassed with frivolous charges by a prosecutor?

Jesus Christ on a cracker and people think liberals need safe spaces?

SCOTUS says police are under no obligation to endanger themselves to protect life or property, by the way.

Something liberals have been getting reminded about for years only to get a shrug of the shoulder.

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Free speech does not mean you must be provided with a venue or platform. Are you being imprisoned or murdered by the government for what you've said?

Case closed.
Is there a qualitative difference between the government attacking you physically for what you say and allowing (inciting even) 3rd parties to attack you physically for what you say. Milo had to be smuggled out of the building, hidden in the back of a car and covered by a blanket. The Berkeley police are playing games and cutting things kind of close.
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Originally Posted by Delphic Oracle View Post
Is Milo in prison?

Is Milo dead from government forces?

Has Milo been fined by a court judgment?

Is Milo being repeatedly harassed with frivolous charges by a prosecutor?

Jesus Christ on a cracker and people think liberals need safe spaces?
Do you even read my posts? It doesn't seem like you do. Or maybe you just don't understand them.

Here's a similar example. The Supreme Court ruled that US flag burning was protected under the 1st Amendment. One Florida town's response was to propose a law that reduced the penalty to that of a parking ticket for people accused of assaulting another person who was in the act of burning a US flag. Do you think that law would have passed Constitutional muster?
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Is there a qualitative difference between the government attacking you physically for what you say and allowing (inciting even) 3rd parties to attack you physically for what you say. Milo had to be smuggled out of the building, hidden in the back of a car and covered by a blanket. The Berkeley police are playing games and cutting things kind of close.
I know of no 'government incitement' to physically attack Milo.

If by "3rd parties" you mean private citizens acting on their on inclinations, they are not Constitutionally bound government institutions. If they engage in a criminal act, they should be arrested and given appropriate punishment.

But those are 2 distinct questions and that cannot be overstated.

Sounds like the Berkeley police, despite being under no obligation to risk themselves to protect him did so.

That you want to make this into something to be upset about is your issue to resolve with yourself.

Be upset about criminal behavior all you want, I even agree. But at this point now you're weaving us towards conspiracy la-la land where UCB, the city, the police, and whoever else are all complicit in some way.

Dumbass kids broke laws. You're trying to write the script for a whodunit over here.
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Do you even read my posts? It doesn't seem like you do. Or maybe you just don't understand them.

Here's a similar example. The Supreme Court ruled that US flag burning was protected under the 1st Amendment. One Florida town's response was to propose a law that reduced the penalty to that of a parking ticket for people accused of assaulting another person who was in the act of burning a US flag. Do you think that law would have passed Constitutional muster?
No. There is a compelling governmental interest in prevention of violence. To obviate itself from that interest in a curiously narrow way like that creates a prior restraint on another right.

Law is tough for you. That's fine. Not everyone has the chops to be a Constitutional scholar. You can let other folks handle it because it seems to be well beyond you.
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Is there any actual proof that the people in masks inflicting violence and destroying property were liberal or progressive? These could just be thrill-seekers wishing for a purge night.
Their choice of time and place kind of gives it away.
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I know of no 'government incitement' to physically attack Milo.
Well, here's a tweet by Berkeley's mayor shortly before the event and protest:

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Using speech to silence marginalized communities and promote bigotry is unacceptable. Hate speech isn't welcome in our community.


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If by "3rd parties" you mean private citizens acting on their on inclinations, they are not Constitutionally bound government institutions. If they engage in a criminal act, they should be arrested and given appropriate punishment.
It should not have been hard for police to contain 150 troublemakers. Nor should it have been difficult to arrest at least a few of them. It seems the police backed off very quickly. Perhaps they were outmanned, and it was the sensible thing to do, but why were they outmanned? It wasn't even that big a protest by Berkeley standards.

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But those are 2 distinct questions and that cannot be overstated.

Sounds like the Berkeley police, despite being under no obligation to risk themselves to protect him did so.
You have claimed this twice. What do you mean that the Berkeley police had no obligation to risk themselves to protect him. Of course they did. The level of obligation might drop as the risk goes up, but if police don't have to lift a finger to protect an innocent person from a criminal attack, then what's the point of being granted the arrest power? Nobody is demanding that a police officer jump in front of Milo to take a bullet, but you can't seriously suggest that the police don't have an institutional obligation to keep order. Can you?

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That you want to make this into something to be upset about is your issue to resolve with yourself.
Yes, I'm working out some of my issues from childhood here.

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Be upset about criminal behavior all you want, I even agree. But at this point now you're weaving us towards conspiracy la-la land where UCB, the city, the police, and whoever else are all complicit in some way.

Dumbass kids broke laws. You're trying to write the script for a whodunit over here.
I'm trying to justify Trump's threat to withhold funding (pending an investigation of course). I agree with him.
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Milo on Tucker Carlson last night.
That sounds like The Douchiest Show on Earth.

Originally Posted by Delphic Oracle View Post
Here we see the fruits of Breitbart's "see, we're totally not gay-bashers" strategy of having an openly Gay (sic) individual do their homophobic messaging. Then, when the LGBT community voices criticism, they can go 'hey stop being homophobic!'

But no really, why are gay and homophobia capitalized? :9
I've said before that far too many people see "racist" as an insult, when it's really a description. This may be true of "homophobe" as well. Having a single, obviously hateful, gay guy on staff won't help them in the slightest.
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Sounds like the Berkeley police, despite being under no obligation to risk themselves to protect him did so.

That you want to make this into something to be upset about is your issue to resolve with yourself.

Be upset about criminal behavior all you want, I even agree. But at this point now you're weaving us towards conspiracy la-la land where UCB, the city, the police, and whoever else are all complicit in some way.

Dumbass kids broke laws. You're trying to write the script for a whodunit over here.
You have lower expectations of the police and their responsibility than I do. There doesn't have to be a conspiracy to suggest that they did not do their jobs in a manner the community would expect.

I fully admit my lack of operational procedure knowledge when dealing with a protest with small portions of bad actors, but I would expect in a situation dealing with such an occurrence, sitting back with no arrests is not the best course of action.

My high school football games had comparable crowds in total as the protesters. If the visiting team had began vandalizing school property, I can guarantee there would be arrests made and an attempt to dissuade similar actions. The fact the opposing team would all be uniform in appearance (football uniforms), that would give an added leg up on weeding out the specific bad apples.

I think having expectations of certain actions of the police are necessary. Saying they are not required to risk themselves is a random cop out. You would not use that thinking if a band of KKK members had infiltrated a similar non-violent protest and began assaulting minorities and caused property damage. "Well, they weren't required to risk themselves to stop criminal acts.. And how could they find those KKK members in those crowds? Especially since they are the only ones wearing those white sheets.."

It's disingenuous in the sense that you would expect different actions depending on the perpetrators purpose. If you agree with it, inaction on the side of the police is fine. If you disagree with it, action was required. I don't think there should be any ambiguity here.
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That sounds like The Douchiest Show on Earth.
Great contribution. By the way, I'm not at all impressed with Tucker Carlson's show. He's like the conservative version of Chris Matthews on Hardball.

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I've said before that far too many people see "racist" as an insult, when it's really a description. This may be true of "homophobe" as well. Having a single, obviously hateful, gay guy on staff won't help them in the slightest.
This is quite disingenuous. "Racist" is a powerful insult (although it's becoming less powerful). It is probably the 2nd most feared insult by upper class white people (pedophile is slightly worse) because of its potential to cause social stigma and damage to one's career. Your claim is belied by the fact that progressives have tried to alter the definition of racist to be one-sided, so that only whites can be racist. The word has become a political tool, not a useful descriptor.
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Their choice of time and place kind of gives it away.
It was also the perfect time and place for conservative agitators to wear their masks so they can't be identified as such, and cause as much trouble to be blamed on "liberals" as possible.

Equally plausible, despite pleas to the contrary.
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Their choice of time and place kind of gives it away.
A lot of posters are assuming this, but IIRC, anarchists are generally anti-authority more than leftist. The right makes a more frequent and natural target, but that does not mean they favor the political left; they are anti-political. They don't appear on the left/moderate/right scale, they wait outside of all that with bricks and Molotovs in hand, looking for an excuse to protest the status quo.
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Eleven arrested during protest against conservative comedian at NYU

Eleven people have been arrested outside New York University during a heated protest against a conservative comedian who gave a speech at the school, police said on Friday.

A group that organised the protest against Vice Media co-founder Gavin McInnes said he was known for using incendiary language.

The protesters face charges of disorderly conduct, resisting arrest and criminal mischief after they were taken into custody during a demonstration against McInnes, who made an appearance at the university late on Thursday, a New York City Police Department spokesman said.

McInnes said on Twitter he had been sprayed with pepper spray.

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http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/eleven-a...t-nyu/42934348 (February 3, 2017)

Arrests were made. Well it's about bloody time these left-wing criminals are carted off to jail. If they can't act civilized, then put them in prison and throw away the keys.
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The "progressive" left must have some sort of masochistic desire to get more Trump because rioting over a college speaker is how you get more Trump.
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Arrests were made. Well it's about bloody time these left-wing criminals are carted off to jail. If they can't act civilized, then put them in prison and throw away the keys.
No, not a good idea.
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No, not a good idea.

The late, great, George Carlin. I wish he were still here. I would love to hear his take on the current insanity sweeping across America.
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I'm trying to justify Trump's threat to withhold funding (pending an investigation of course). I agree with him.
The President doesn't have that authority.
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Old 3rd February 2017, 08:28 AM   #430
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Originally Posted by rdwight View Post
You have lower expectations of the police and their responsibility than I do. There doesn't have to be a conspiracy to suggest that they did not do their jobs in a manner the community would expect.
I'm not the one who floated the idea that the university, city, or police were careless or unconcerned to begin with. In fact I was pushing back against that idea.

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I fully admit my lack of operational procedure knowledge when dealing with a protest with small portions of bad actors, but I would expect in a situation dealing with such an occurrence, sitting back with no arrests is not the best course of action.
I only know it from the protest side for the most part. I've seen cautious departments and I've seen departments that are so 'zero tolerance' I have to question their sanity.

Officer safety should be #1, though. Ratio of officers to protestors, what kind of gear the officers are in, whether they have crowd dispersal tools, etc. If it's a dozen officers in plain patrol gear, they would be well advised to hang back for a bit while their watch commander gets them what they need.

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My high school football games had comparable crowds in total as the protesters. If the visiting team had began vandalizing school property, I can guarantee there would be arrests made and an attempt to dissuade similar actions. The fact the opposing team would all be uniform in appearance (football uniforms), that would give an added leg up on weeding out the specific bad apples.
Again, depends on the variables at that moment. I've seen numerous instances of police hanging back a good long while. It takes time and observation to find bad apples, although it is more complex, you're looking even deeper at which people have interactions indicating friendships or fondness (likely to intervene in an attempt to apprehend) and waiting for moments when people are isolated from each other. In general, if they feel disadvantaged, they'll wait it out a bit while protestors burn off energy (less struggle) and many will just leave (get their car tag, go visit them at home later).

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I think having expectations of certain actions of the police are necessary. Saying they are not required to risk themselves is a random cop out. You would not use that thinking if a band of KKK members had infiltrated a similar non-violent protest and began assaulting minorities and caused property damage. "Well, they weren't required to risk themselves to stop criminal acts.. And how could they find those KKK members in those crowds? Especially since they are the only ones wearing those white sheets.."
No, I mean literally Warren v. D.C.

"The duty to provide public services is owed to the public at large, and, absent a special relationship between the police and an individual, no specific legal duty exists."

I'm no fan of the decision and I don't condone the violence either way. There is no 'gotcha' here for you to find, I'm afraid.

I'm not aware of a "special relationship" between the police and Milo, so the fact they helped him is literally not something they were compelled (by law) to do as police officers.

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It's disingenuous in the sense that you would expect different actions depending on the perpetrators purpose. If you agree with it, inaction on the side of the police is fine. If you disagree with it, action was required. I don't think there should be any ambiguity here.
There is no ambiguity. You decided I'm being a hypocrite based on nothing.

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Old 3rd February 2017, 08:45 AM   #431
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Originally Posted by Delphic Oracle View Post
I'm not the one who floated the idea that the university, city, or police were careless or unconcerned to begin with. In fact I was pushing back against that idea.



I only know it from the protest side for the most part. I've seen cautious departments and I've seen departments that are so 'zero tolerance' I have to question their sanity.

Officer safety should be #1, though. Ratio of officers to protestors, what kind of gear the officers are in, whether they have crowd dispersal tools, etc. If it's a dozen officers in plain patrol gear, they would be well advised to hang back for a bit while their watch commander gets them what they need.



Again, depends on the variables at that moment. I've seen numerous instances of police hanging back a good long while. It takes time and observation to find bad apples, although it is more complex, you're looking even deeper at which people have interactions indicating friendships or fondness (likely to intervene in an attempt to apprehend) and waiting for moments when people are isolated from each other. In general, if they feel disadvantaged, they'll wait it out a bit while protestors burn off energy (less struggle) and many will just leave (get their car tag, go visit them at home later).



No, I mean literally Warren v. D.C.

"The duty to provide public services is owed to the public at large, and, absent a special relationship between the police and an individual, no specific legal duty exists."

I'm no fan of the decision and I don't condone the violence either way. There is no 'gotcha' here for you to find, I'm afraid.

I'm not aware of a "special relationship" between the police and Milo, so the fact they helped him is literally not something they were compelled (by law) to do as police officers.



There is no ambiguity. You decided I'm being a hypocrite based on nothing.
Aside from the fact that the Warren v. DC case is not binding on the 9th Circuit (which has jurisdiction over Berkeley), it doesn't strike me as relevant. The case was about whether or not victims of a crime could sue the city and police for negligence in responding promptly and effectively to a crime in progress. It doesn't seem like there was any allegation of malice on the part of the city or police.

My allegation here is that Berkeley was guilty of willful negligence. Also, the public duty doctrine (whatever that is) would seem to apply to an attempt by a mob to disrupt the peace and quash the right of hundreds of people to assemble and speak. This is simply not the same thing as police failing to investigate properly a report of a home intrusion and rape in progress.
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Old 3rd February 2017, 09:12 AM   #432
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Originally Posted by Delphic Oracle View Post
I'm not the one who floated the idea that the university, city, or police were careless or unconcerned to begin with. In fact I was pushing back against that idea.

Officer safety should be #1, though. Ratio of officers to protestors, what kind of gear the officers are in, whether they have crowd dispersal tools, etc. If it's a dozen officers in plain patrol gear, they would be well advised to hang back for a bit while their watch commander gets them what they need.
Not really in the boat on officer safety being #1 but I agree that they should only do what they are equipped to handle. That being said, I do feel that reviewing policy might be in order if it is found to be unable to deal with small level protests and vandalism/assaults.


Originally Posted by Delphic Oracle View Post
No, I mean literally Warren v. D.C.

"The duty to provide public services is owed to the public at large, and, absent a special relationship between the police and an individual, no specific legal duty exists."

I'm no fan of the decision and I don't condone the violence either way. There is no 'gotcha' here for you to find, I'm afraid.

I'm not aware of a "special relationship" between the police and Milo, so the fact they helped him is literally not something they were compelled (by law) to do as police officers.
I never indicated any special relationship between Milo and the police. I am more specifically speaking about the police in regards to their duty to the community. Milo isn't paying for the $100,000 in damages. The community will. And I think that the community has the right to expect a certain level of action from the police force. While civilly they are not required to do their jobs in certain respects, that doesn't mean the place that employs them can't have a voice about their inaction.


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There is no ambiguity. You decided I'm being a hypocrite based on nothing.
Conceded. I should not have said 'you'. It was more a general statement than something that should have been attributed to you. I apologize for that.
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Old 3rd February 2017, 09:15 AM   #433
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Liberalism is a cancer.

Again, just so that protesters don't make the mistake of thinking these people are allies. Milo was planning at his gathering to out undocumented students. These students could get into trouble with immigration authorities and possibly have to stop their education at UC Berkeley or even be deported. Leftists employed a black bloc tactic and prevented this from happening. Liberals on the other hand would happily throw undocumented students, or anyone else targeted by Milo & co, under the bus to further their own interests.
This is one of the most fantastically weak citations I've ever seen on this forum, and that's no small feat.
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Old 3rd February 2017, 09:53 AM   #434
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This is one of the most fantastically weak citations I've ever seen on this forum, and that's no small feat.
Well maybe it will change your mind when I tell you that the original person who tweeted this said that it comes from "reliable sources" (multiple) and when challenged said that there was no way these sources could ever be named.
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This is one of the most fantastically weak citations I've ever seen on this forum, and that's no small feat.
You had me at "fantastical"
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Old 3rd February 2017, 10:37 AM   #436
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There isn't a progressive pundit around who could hold a candle to Milo in a debate.
I agree, and I think this is exactly what they're afraid of.

In addition it seems like progressive pundits have gotten really comfortable in their bubble and forgotten how to debate, even internally. They seem to spend a lot of energy on memes that are meant to be shared and consumed amongst themselves, or shared on social media for virtue signaling.

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Milo believes in Pizzagate.
Argumemnon asked your for a source for this a couple of pages ago. I second his request.
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Arrests were made. Well it's about bloody time these left-wing criminals are carted off to jail. If they can't act civilized, then put them in prison and throw away the keys.
There's some interesting video from the incident. Especially informative was this segment where an NYU "professor" was upset at police for not protecting "anti-fascist" members from College Republicans debating them.

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For some reason, the usual methods for starting a Youtube video at a certain point don't work anymore. For example, adding &start=270 to the link should have done the trick. It used to work.
I just right-clicked and went to "Copy video URL at current time" and it seemed to work. The copied URL seemed to append something more like t=270 instead of start=270. YMMV.
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Any evidence? In theory this is a forum for skeptics, so I'd like more than a link to a facebook post of some person I don't know.
And even if true, please explain why that justifies the rioting.
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The late, great, George Carlin. I wish he were still here. I would love to hear his take on the current insanity sweeping across America.
I got news for you. Carlin would be going after Trump 24/7.
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Originally Posted by sir drinks-a-lot View Post
Argumemnon asked your for a source for this a couple of pages ago. I second his request.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-1...2%80%9Cpizzaga
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During the introduction to his lecture at Miami University on Monday, Breitbart News journalist and technology editor Milo Yiannopoulos informed the crowd that he was unable to address the highly controversial topic of “Pizzagate” because he had received phone calls from Washington D.C. that told him “not yet.”

We are going to talk this evening about a few things that are close to my heart,” Milo told his audience. “Although, I have one announcement to make which is that sadly when I announced I was going to be speaking about Pizzagate this evening, I got a number of phone calls with Washington D.C. area codes saying ‘not yet.
http://www.newsweek.com/pizzagate-re...slander-528950

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There is at least one sign that even the so-called alt-right wants to distance itself from Sunday night’s pizza place shooting. On Monday night, pop right-wing agitator Milo Yiannopoulos, who lost his Twitter access earlier this year after one too many online insults against women and minorities, was on the campus of Miami University in Ohio, scheduled to talk about “PIZZAGATE: The deep Dish on Liberalism and Pedophilia.” Half an hour before the speech, he abruptly changed his topic to “On Stabby Muslims, Campus Censors and Daddy’s Transition.”
Sure looks like he wanted to believe it.
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