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Old 3rd February 2017, 10:52 AM   #441
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Originally Posted by Slings and Arrows View Post
Arrests were made. Well it's about bloody time these left-wing criminals are carted off to jail. If they can't act civilized, then put them in prison and throw away the keys.
Gee, that sounds like something that would sound right in place in Germany or Italy or Russia in the 1930's.....

I am now convinced you are not even a sincere conservative. You are somebody who has drunk the Trump Kool Aid,probably because you find him "Anti Establishment and Edgy "and your only political belief is Donald J. Trump. If Trump were to do a 180, and start spouting liberal dogma,you would swing right along with him.
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Old 3rd February 2017, 10:53 AM   #442
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It was reported that some of them were arrested and they were not students of the university. True, we can't know about all of them, but that's why I put my caveat. The university statement claimed they were outsiders.

Here's that article again:

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/02/01/us...ulos-berkeley/
The only arrests mentioned in the article are those of attackers who attacked two Berkeley College Republicans. It is those attackers the story says are not affiliated with the University. How many attackers? We don't know. It could be as few as two, which would leave a sizeable number of possible university-affiliated attackers to produce the $100,000 in property damage to the University and a much larger amount of monetary damage throughout the city. Again, we don't know the affiliation of other attackers or Black Blocs. Yet, based on that article, you concluded the $100,000 in damage to the University was caused by people not affiliated with the University. Moreover, you concluded that at least most of the agitators came from the outside and started riots. You do this by equating the victim status of the University with the victim status of the College Republicans and therefore conclude that both sets of attackers and rabble-rousers must be the same group of people. That is quite a bit of strained logic.

The fact is, we have absolutely no idea if the monetary damage was caused by university-affiliated knuckleheads or not. Yet you concluded otherwise. Puppycow, I went to the doctor and told him it hurts when I lift my arm. He said, "Don't do that."
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Originally Posted by sir drinks-a-lot View Post
Argumemnon asked your for a source for this a couple of pages ago. I second his request.
Here he is telling an audience why he postponed his planned speech about pizzagate.

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I imagine the purpose of this speech was to explain that pizzagate was fake news. Right?

It's rather stunning that a lying conspiracy theorist such as Milo is held in such high esteem. Welcome to Trump alt-reality folks.

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Old 3rd February 2017, 10:55 AM   #444
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Originally Posted by Puppycow View Post
Any evidence? In theory this is a forum for skeptics, so I'd like more than a link to a facebook post of some person I don't know.
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This is one of the most fantastically weak citations I've ever seen on this forum, and that's no small feat.
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Well maybe it will change your mind when I tell you that the original person who tweeted this said that it comes from "reliable sources" (multiple) and when challenged said that there was no way these sources could ever be named.
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You had me at "fantastical"
Everyone can look at the comments under the linked facebook post, where sources are provided as well as sources establishing a prior pattern where Milo outs students during his speeches.

The real question is though, why should anyone consider liberals allies? Leftists such as anarchists will take action to stop Milo outing undocumented students, successfully since his speech was cancelled because of it. Liberals on the other hand are the ones who stand there whining about Milo's freedom to out students being suppressed by those evil anarchists in black bloc outfit.

"I may not agree with outing undocumented people, but I'll defend your right to do so."
"I may not agree with genocide, but I'll defend your right to organize it".
"I may not agree with telling the SS officer where the local Jews are hiding, but I'll defend your right to tell him."
... aka why everyone hates liberals.
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Originally Posted by sir drinks-a-lot View Post
There's some interesting video from the incident. Especially informative was this segment where an NYU "professor" was upset at police for not protecting "anti-fascist" members from College Republicans debating them.



I just right-clicked and went to "Copy video URL at current time" and it seemed to work. The copied URL seemed to append something more like t=270 instead of start=270. YMMV.

Yeah, although I wanted it to work between YT tags.

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At least using "?t=" doesn't barf, but it also doesn't start it at the right place.
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Milo and the Rioters are both world class jerks,and deserve each other.

I don't get why so many people here who despise Trump here...and put me at the head of the line as a Trump Despiser...don't get that the crap like what happened in Berkeley HELPS Trump.
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Everyone can look at the comments under the linked facebook post, where sources are provided as well as sources establishing a prior pattern where Milo outs students during his speeches.

The real question is though, why should anyone consider liberals allies? Leftists such as anarchists will take action to stop Milo outing undocumented students, successfully since his speech was cancelled because of it. Liberals on the other hand are the ones who stand there whining about Milo's freedom to out students being suppressed by those evil anarchists in black bloc outfit.

"I may not agree with outing undocumented people, but I'll defend your right to do so."
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You got that on your iPhone from your Anarchist pal's facebook who took a screen shot of a Twiiter?

Lolz, sounds totally legit my man.

"I may not agree with fake news, but I will defend Anarchist's right to make it up because Fascist."

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Milo and the Rioters are both world class jerks,and deserve each other.

I don't get why so many people here who despise Trump here...and put me at the head of the line as a Trump Despiser...don't get that the crap like what happened in Berkeley HELPS Trump.
Why does Milo deserve the rioters? Milo has never been violent. As far as I know, he's never hurt anybody except perhaps for witty bitty feelings. Furthermore, Milo stands ready to debate anybody anytime about his views and the claims he has made. He allows antagonistic questions at his talks and responds in good faith (albeit with some snark).
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
Milo and the Rioters are both world class jerks,and deserve each other.

I don't get why so many people here who despise Trump here...and put me at the head of the line as a Trump Despiser...don't get that the crap like what happened in Berkeley HELPS Trump.
Don't suppose you'd care to support that claim with evidence?
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Sounds more like a joke. Why would Milo get a call from DC telling him "not yet"?

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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
Gee, that sounds like something that would sound right in place in Germany or Italy or Russia in the 1930's.....

I am now convinced you are not even a sincere conservative. You are somebody who has drunk the Trump Kool Aid,probably because you find him "Anti Establishment and Edgy "and your only political belief is Donald J. Trump. If Trump were to do a 180, and start spouting liberal dogma,you would swing right along with him.
Lol so ridiculous:

You do understand the rule of law?
Slings comes up with a statement of reality and he just couldn't possibly believe that people breaking the law should go to jail, oh my!
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Don't suppose you'd care to support that claim with evidence?
What are you even talking about? You hilited a sentence fragment, not a claim.
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There's some interesting video from the incident. Especially informative was this segment where an NYU "professor" was upset at police for not protecting "anti-fascist" members from College Republicans debating them.



I just right-clicked and went to "Copy video URL at current time" and it seemed to work. The copied URL seemed to append something more like t=270 instead of start=270. YMMV.
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Sounds more like a joke. Why would Milo get a call from DC telling him "not yet"?
I think it's a wink and a nod. Very Coulter-like.
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Why does Milo deserve the rioters? Milo has never been violent. As far as I know, he's never hurt anybody except perhaps for witty bitty feelings. Furthermore, Milo stands ready to debate anybody anytime about his views and the claims he has made. He allows antagonistic questions at his talks and responds in good faith (albeit with some snark).
Once again you're showing how the left is anti-speech, and the left here dutifully ignores it.
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Everyone can look at the comments under the linked facebook post, where sources are provided as well as sources establishing a prior pattern where Milo outs students during his speeches.
I see not so much as one solitary source other than comments from random, anonymous bozos. This is the sort of data source that Trump is infamous for. "People say..."

If I'm overlooking something, by all means be more specific.
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Once again you're showing how the left is anti-speech, and the left here dutifully ignores it.
I'll address it right now: I'm not anti-speech. I often disagree with Milo but I agree with him on a few points. Regardless, he's definitely a troll, but that doesn't mean that what he has to say isn't worth listening to, and I disagree with those who try to use intimidation and violence to silence him. Good or bad, let him talk and challenge what he says with more free speech. Fight ignorance with knowledge.

As usual, extremists love to silence their opposition, whether they be on the left or the right, and I oppose both.
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Sounds more like a joke. Why would Milo get a call from DC telling him "not yet"?
Why do you assume that's what he actually was told? Maybe he just told to STFU because it was making his puppeteers look bad.
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Sure looks like he wanted to believe it.
Actually, it looks like you want to believe that he believed it.

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Here he is telling an audience why he postponed his planned speech about pizzagate.
Using your own tortured logic, it appears that you also believe in pizzagate. After all, you've been talking about it.
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Using your own tortured logic, it appears that you also believe in pizzagate. After all, you've been talking about it.
Yeah, discussing the metadata on a skeptics forum is exactly the same as having a planned speech dedicated to the topic.

Tortured logic?!? Indeed.
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Actually, it looks like you want to believe that he believed it.
No, I don't care enough about this person to have a belief in his beliefs. Actually, he seems like a younger, gayer version of Ann Coulter, and as such, a rabble-rouser. He references things like pizzagate to be provocative and pimp to a certain audience. It's not as if this is something new.
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No, I don't care enough about this person to have a belief in his beliefs. Actually, he seems like a younger, gayer version of Ann Coulter, and as such, a rabble-rouser. He references things like pizzagate to be provocative and pimp to a certain audience. It's not as if this is something new.
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I see not so much as one solitary source other than comments from random, anonymous bozos. This is the sort of data source that Trump is infamous for. "People say..."

If I'm overlooking something, by all means be more specific.
For example this.

Look at the replies to this comment:

"omfg.

how did he find this out?"
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Retraction accepted.
Drinking early?
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I'll address it right now: I'm not anti-speech. I often disagree with Milo but I agree with him on a few points. Regardless, he's definitely a troll, but that doesn't mean that what he has to say isn't worth listening to, and I disagree with those who try to use intimidation and violence to silence him. Good or bad, let him talk and challenge what he says with more free speech. Fight ignorance with knowledge.
Good for you.

I don't think logger was claiming that every single individual on the left is against free speech. He merely said that the left has a problem with free speech these days - a comment that is difficult to dispute.

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As usual, extremists love to silence their opposition, whether they be on the left or the right, and I oppose both.
As do I. I just don't think there is any kind of symmetry between the left and right in the US these days regarding free speech.
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I'll address it right now: I'm not anti-speech. I often disagree with Milo but I agree with him on a few points. Regardless, he's definitely a troll, but that doesn't mean that what he has to say isn't worth listening to, and I disagree with those who try to use intimidation and violence to silence him. Good or bad, let him talk and challenge what he says with more free speech. Fight ignorance with knowledge.

As usual, extremists love to silence their opposition, whether they be on the left or the right, and I oppose both.
THIS.
Bitter fact is that militants on both left and right want to silence their critics.
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I'll address it right now: I'm not anti-speech. I often disagree with Milo but I agree with him on a few points. Regardless, he's definitely a troll, but that doesn't mean that what he has to say isn't worth listening to, and I disagree with those who try to use intimidation and violence to silence him. Good or bad, let him talk and challenge what he says with more free speech. Fight ignorance with knowledge.
How many undocumented people getting deported or forced to stop their education is letting Milo organize these events worth to you? 1? 10? 100?

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Ever considered that you might rather be an extremist?

Suppose Nazi Germany took over a town, and people hid Jews from them somewhere. Someone wants to make a public speech stating where the Jews are hiding. Leftists act to stop this speech from happening. Who is the extremist? To me the liberal or moderate saying "Good or bad, let him talk and challenge what he says with more free speech" is an extremist.

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Source?
Just look up "milo yiannopoulos pizzagate". He did a big presentation about why Pizzagate proves the left are all secret pedophiles.
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Why does Milo deserve the rioters? Milo has never been violent. As far as I know, he's never hurt anybody except perhaps for witty bitty feelings. Furthermore, Milo stands ready to debate anybody anytime about his views and the claims he has made. He allows antagonistic questions at his talks and responds in good faith (albeit with some snark).


God, you are hopeless if you cannot see why we consider Milo a total jerk.
If Julius Streicher were around and made liberals mad, you would probably defend him. Not just his right to speak, but him personally.
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Just look up "milo yiannopoulos pizzagate". He did a big presentation about why Pizzagate proves the left are all secret pedophiles.
Source?
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Gee, that sounds like something that would sound right in place in Germany or Italy or Russia in the 1930's.....

I am now convinced you are not even a sincere conservative. You are somebody who has drunk the Trump Kool Aid,probably because you find him "Anti Establishment and Edgy "and your only political belief is Donald J. Trump. If Trump were to do a 180, and start spouting liberal dogma,you would swing right along with him.

When the NYPD starting arresting the agitators Thursday night outside NYU, one woman screamed at the police that they should be protecting the protestors from the Nazi inside the building -- Gavin McInnes, by the way, is a libertarian and a comedian who says things which aren't politically correct.

Watch the video of this insane woman in an hysterical frenzy: Here

(Warning: the woman has a foul mouth and claims to be a professor)

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God, you are hopeless if you cannot see why we consider Milo a total jerk.
I know why you consider Milo a total jerk. It's because he says things you disagree with but can't refute. He is a persuasive and effective advocate for policies that you don't like. No doubt I am considered a total jerk by many here for the same reason. But I don't see why he deserves having his speech shut down and having his physical safety threatened. Do you think I do? Are you prepared to dox me and come to my house to give me what I deserve?

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If Julius Streicher were around and made liberals mad, you would probably defend him. Not just his right to speak, but him personally.
You resort to these kinds of Nazi-themed insults quite frequently. I don't really take offense, but it probably doesn't help make your argument more persuasive.
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How many undocumented people getting deported or forced to stop their education is letting Milo organize these events worth to you? 1? 10? 100?
Any amount I guess. Not sure we should start figuring out a value base before free speech is allowed. If it is legal, let him speak it. If not, have him prosecuted for the speech that breaks any given law. If individuals feel they were wronged in some way that is libel, let them sue.
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How many undocumented people getting deported or forced to stop their education is letting Milo organize these events worth to you? 1? 10? 100?
Free speech vs. allowing people currently breaking the law to continue breaking the law? The first is a fundamental pillar upon which our modern democracy is built. The latter are criminals.

Do you have trouble identifying which one of these is more important?
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I'll address it right now: I'm not anti-speech. I often disagree with Milo but I agree with him on a few points. Regardless, he's definitely a troll, but that doesn't mean that what he has to say isn't worth listening to, and I disagree with those who try to use intimidation and violence to silence him. Good or bad, let him talk and challenge what he says with more free speech. Fight ignorance with knowledge.

As usual, extremists love to silence their opposition, whether they be on the left or the right, and I oppose both.
I wonder if another center left or leftist will agree with you?
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Any amount I guess. Not sure we should start figuring out a value base before free speech is allowed. If it is legal, let him speak it. If not, have him prosecuted for the speech that breaks any given law. If individuals feel they were wronged in some way that is libel, let them sue.
Who cares whether something is "legal"? That's something that the state concerns itself with, yet nobody here has posited that the state should shut down Milo's events, so it's not even relevant anyway.
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Free speech vs. allowing people currently breaking the law to continue breaking the law? The first is a fundamental pillar upon which our modern democracy is built. The latter are criminals.

Do you have trouble identifying which one of these is more important?
No of course I have no such trouble. The answer is to shut down Milo's speaking events.
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That's it? That shows that Milo believes pizzagate and that pizzagate proves the left are all secret pedophiles?

Keep looking.
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I wonder if another center left or leftist will agree with you?
I'm an independent and I said way upthread that it was too bad the event was cancelled. No matter that I think he's a ****.
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