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5th February 2017, 10:04 PM | #641 |
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Why? The Euro citations you bring up have nothing to do with the U.S. Do you have anything to support your assertion that the Oakland crew is in any way affiliated with the groups and philosophies you cite? Cough 'em up, it is not up to me to support your claims.
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Of course not. Anarchists in the U.S. don't typically make press releases. Read carefully: they **** **** up. That's what they do, often employing a Bloc as a tactic. They do not rationalize or make up alternate definitions for what they are doing. Better question: you assume that American anarchists have the same philosophy and motivation as Europeans. Why?
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5th February 2017, 11:21 PM | #643 |
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My claims have been sufficiently supported. You have so far made unsupported assertions about some purported "America is special" kind of thing in relation to antifa.
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{Irrelevancies snipped}
Your bald assertion is to claim the Oakland crew is politically aligned with European anarcho-whatever. You provide exactly ZERO support for this, except for similar fashion tastes. Again, what is your support that the Oakland crew has any of the political or philosophical views you repeatedly claim?
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6th February 2017, 01:38 AM | #645 |
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Seems they arrested just one person - for refusing to leave the area after dispersal. Not likely one of the antifa 'ninjas' since they try to scatter and blend.
An obvious question I would add: Why is their presence tolerated? If so many protests are 'ruined' by the illegal actions of these antifa groups, why don't the real protesters protest THEM?? Tell them they are not welcome. Block their entrance. Swipe their masks. Surely they are obvious when they show up- signs and flags waving 'anarchists are here'. They are practically in uniforms. In various videos the all-black-clad masked group members seem to go about the business of shoving people (and their cameras) aside, smashing windows, spray painting, setting fires, and all kinds of noisy vandalism - without interference. Many incidents now caused by different groups but with the same MO. If they cannot be prevented from entering a protest area by other protesters, can't the police hit them with a luminous paint as they destroy things so they can be identified? If the all-black identifies them but also hides them, then why not take that tactic away and color them up into a walking rave party? Wouldn't marking individuals be better than tear gas or rubber bullets that can affect the entire crowd? There must be something I am missing that enables them to keep doing it. If I can think of a possible security tactic in a few minutes, there must be many other ones. Ones they don't seem to be using. |
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So I did a little looking to find out more about these people, and found this (from The Stranger, I think it would be fair to call the a left-leaning site):
RETRACTION: Milo Yiannopoulos Is Not a White Nationalist Yiannopoulos I see as a troll who tries to provoke "the left" by saying things that are calculated to make (lefty) people angry. He's a lot like Ann Coulter that way. Spencer really is a hardcore racist. He can barely conceal (or barely tries to conceal) his hard-on for Hitler.
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6th February 2017, 02:56 AM | #648 |
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1. He'd never do that. 2. Okay but he's not currently doing it. 3. Okay but he's not currently technically doing it. 4. Okay but everyone does it. 5. He's doing it, we can't stop him, no point in complaining about it. 6. We all knew he was going to do it which... makes it okay somehow. 7. It's perfectly fine that's he's doing it. |
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6th February 2017, 03:33 AM | #649 |
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Yiannopolous is a stooge for racists and White supremacists. As such, he's the enemy.
Anyone who gets caught after assaulting another person, Nazi or not, should stand before a court and answer for his crime. At the same time, I believe it's morally right to punch any Nazi you can find. If you need help determining who's a Nazi and not, you should ask an adult. |
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6th February 2017, 05:42 AM | #652 |
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How very evasive. It would have taken fewer words to just answer the question. I'm left with the distinct impression that you're unable to answer because you're foisting BS.
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6th February 2017, 05:45 AM | #653 |
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It's amazing isn't it?
People are so worried about the return of political violence that they will sink into that mud first. So worried about the erosion of democracy that they will try and figure out how to have a coup. It makes me hope that this site reflects the more irrational folks in the population... Because this level of civic immaturity is terrible. "We can't afford to give our enemies due process, rights are being eroded!" |
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I'm curious: what exactly do you think this would accomplish? If Milo's a troll, and he certainly is to a good degree, do you think this sort of attention wouldn't play exactly into his hands? He'd get publicity, a platform to claim -- with reason -- that violence is used to silence him, etc. You'd be helping him. Hell, even your rhetoric here ("a stooge for white supremacists", "he is the enemy") marks you as every bit as extreme and partisan as those you despise.
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If you want to punch a pedo, go for it. I won't hold you back.
We're talking about Nazis here, though. Violence against Nazis is something of an American tradition. Nice of you to equate Nazis to rapists, murderers and pedophiles though. Your heart is in the right place. |
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It sounds like you're saying that the law is an impediment to morality, rather than a consequence of it. I find that more dangerous than anything Milo's ever said.
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Ok.
He's a stooge for Nazis. No, there's leagues of difference. I think it's kind of disgusting that you would compare the plight of Nazis being punched on TV in America with Jews being persecuted by Nazis during WWII. |
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Oh, so not just Nazis, but stooges of Nazis and, I suppose, those who cut their hair as well.
Tell me, how exactly is he a stooge for Nazis? I want specific citations, not blanket statements, now. You've gotten away with making **** up enough now.
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What **** have I made up?
Milo Yiannapolis is a writer for white supremacist Breitbart, author of such pieces as “Birth Control Makes Women Unattractive and Crazy” and “Would You Rather Your Child Had Feminism or Cancer?” He's part of the "alt-right", a noted neo-Nazi congregation of internet warriors, and he's a huge part of the problem in the US right now. Now you may begin defending the bigot if you wish. I don't. I call the Nazis Nazis. Do you want to defend comparing the plight of punching Nazis on TV in America to Nazis persecuting Jews during WWII? |
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None of this has anything to do with Nazis.
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Associates with Nazis - check
Spews vile bigotry - check I suppose you could make the argument that Milo's not technically a Nazi. Naziesque but no true Nazi. No, never said nor implied that you agreed with him. Simply that you defended him. "Rhetorical tricks"? Which ones? If they can justify a belief that I'm a Nazi, they are free to try to punch me. In fact, anyone's free to try to punch me. Happens to me often. I do punch back though. |
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http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...-party-w429967
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Milo_Yiannopoulos My accusations aren't baseless. No, that's a description of reality. I'm not. No, they are mostly people who think attacking law enforcement officers is a good way to get out of trouble. Any comment on your sickening comparison of the plight of Nazis being punched on TV in the US with Jews being persecuted by Nazis during WWII? You know, walking back that particular comment would be a good thing. You don't have to be right about everything. |
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I'm sorry, what is that supposed to prove?
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