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2nd February 2017, 09:40 AM | #121 |
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2nd February 2017, 09:42 AM | #122 |
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Given the size of the university, and the small number of people participating in the protest, it should have been a simple matter for the campus police to provide adequate security. Everybody knows that protests stay peaceful when there is reasonable ratio of police to protesters (1 to 5, say). Perhaps it was an honest mistake in planning, but I suspect the Cal administration wouldn't have made such a mistake if a controversial left-winger had come to speak.
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Well, that is certainly one "way' of looking at it.
What it actually shows is a solitary individual being swarmed by hoards of fanatics, with one running through the crowd and striking the victim, who protected himself the only way he could. The fanatic chose poorly. |
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This looks to be in a public space.
Do they have some justification for impeding this man being in a public space? If not, then they shouldn't be impeding, physically initimidating, or assaulting people in a public space. While I'm a rather strong advocate for incrementalism when it comes to escalation of force (I think the gun coming out was a bit hasty given the level of threat at that point), at the end of the day there is really only 1 step of escalation of force, which is the choice to use violence at all. |
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No he wasn't. This was a promotional speaking tour for which he was paid to speak at a number of venues. This engagement was cancelled. His "message" can be heard at the click of a mouse.
ETA: I don't know if this particular speaking engagement was paid for by the university so I remove that claim. |
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I think that minimizes things a bit. Both from the population involved and the effect of the action in shutting down free speech. Imagine if it had been a little southern town of 38,000 rednecks and they responded to a black family moving in by having 1,500 KKK show up and burn a cross (albeit less than 1500 would actually be lighting fires)... we wouldn't be saying that it was 'at most 4% of the town turning up and even less burning stuff so there's no need for the Feds to take a look' - we'd be saying that it was a cesspit of hate and change is needed.
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I had never heard of Milo until videos of BLM closing down one of his talks started making the rounds on Youtube.
Milo comes off to me as a real life troll. He is entertaining at times, but I think I would still not know who he was if his talks did not draw such dramatic, violent protests. I do not expect people who disagree with him to not protest his event, but the violent, obstructive protests that I see feel like an assault on first amendment rights. The protesters are making themselves (and the left by extension) look bad, and making Milo look important than he really may be. |
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what a terrible analogy...
This was a public space. while it appears that certain Jar jar protesters think that they "own" the space, that is not how it works. The gun came out after the lone individual was assaulted by the Jar jar protester who came bounding across the public space at him. |
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A bunch of people in black masks show up to a peaceful protest and start attacking everyone. Riot ensues. Liberals are blamed.
I can only blame the Liberals for allowing the provokers to succeed. |
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That makes sense as a retort if the USA was currently in an actual civil war. However, if we are in a society that aspires to make changes via debate, persuasion and laws, then your retort is moronic (unless you wish that democrats and republicans actually were shooting each other... which is also kind of moronic).
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I'm not sure where you came up with your statistics. I'd bet that they were pulled out of someone's ass. But nevertheless I don't care what a 'majority' of people think and neither do you. I care about what is right. There was a time that a majority of people that thought slavery was OK. A majority of Muslims think Sharia is a good thing. A majority of American voters preferred Hillary Clinton. Get the point?
Right now with the Der Fuhrer acting like a total moron and his brownshirts trying to dehumanize people I think you can expect resistance.and I'm damn glad these people are resisting. |
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We're in a culture war. The side that values tolerance is losing because it's tolerating too much. The options are to stop tolerating absolutely everything, or lose. If the other side wins there will be much less tolerance, as it does not like tolerance.
And I'm too polite to respond in kind to your gratuitous insults, but I will point out that you're not being very tolerant of my opinion. You already pick and choose who you tolerate, it seems. |
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You said you disagreed with his definition. It stands to reason that you don't think being intolerant towards minorities, which definitely ends up hurting them, either directly or indirectly, is not incompatible with being a good person.
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"This looks bad for democrats." No it does not. In the same manner the KKK is 100% behind Trump. These are the fringes.
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LOL "speechify" I knew you had some humor in there somewhere.
I'm gonna concede your point because although I still don't think it was right to cancel his event, I agree with him not speaking there. Yet if Berkeley shows some sort of habit of limiting extreme speakers to only those they agree with, I still see a problem. Chris B. |
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Intolerance isn't the same as actively hurting them. Quite clearly, the liberals in this thread think that making a speech that some minorities consider offensive is an example of intolerance. Sometimes, intolerance can help. If you're intolerant of bad behavior, or of identity politics, I think that's a good thing.
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