ISF Logo   IS Forum
Forum Index Register Members List Events Mark Forums Read Help

Go Back   International Skeptics Forum » General Topics » Social Issues & Current Events
 


Welcome to the International Skeptics Forum, where we discuss skepticism, critical thinking, the paranormal and science in a friendly but lively way. You are currently viewing the forum as a guest, which means you are missing out on discussing matters that are of interest to you. Please consider registering so you can gain full use of the forum features and interact with other Members. Registration is simple, fast and free! Click here to register today.
Tags Bubonic plague , disease incidents , disease issues , Mongolia incidents

Reply
Old 3rd May 2019, 09:03 PM   #1
Checkmite
Skepticifimisticalationist
 
Checkmite's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Gulf Coast
Posts: 23,425
Mongolian officials responding to contain bubonic plague after tourist deaths

154 people are being "monitored", with several under direct quarantine, after a husband and wife died in Bayan-Olgii province, in extreme western Mongolia.

The husband and wife were visiting Mongolia when they died at the end of last month, after the couple cooked and consumed a marmot that the husband had illegally hunted. Doctors determined bubonic plague to be the most likely cause of their deaths. Hunting and eating marmot is illegal in Mongolia precisely because the animals are known to carry the plague.

Part of authorities' emergency response included closing a border crossing with Russia in the region, leaving some tourists stranded for at least the weekend. Health officials are closely watching dozens of people known to have had contact with the couple before their deaths, in some cases quarantining them. Airline passengers from the region who landed in the capital city after the emergency was declared have also been screened.

Bubonic plague is treatable with modern antibiotics; however, Y. pestis is a potent critter, capable even of infecting leukocytes, so the disease has to be identified quickly and treatment must be rapid and aggressive to achieve best case.
__________________
"¿WHAT KIND OF BIRD?
¿A PARANORMAL BIRD?"
--- Carlos S., 2002

Last edited by Checkmite; 3rd May 2019 at 09:12 PM.
Checkmite is online now   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 4th May 2019, 08:14 AM   #2
autumn1971
Master Poster
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 2,723
The plague is endemic in the American Southwest.

There are signs all over Grand Canyon National Park warning visitors not to approach ground-squirrels because of it.
__________________
'A knave; a rascal; an eater of broken meats; a base, proud, shallow, beggardly, three-suited, hundred-pound, filthy, worsted-stocking knave; a lily-livered, action-taking knave, a whoreson, glass-gazing, superservicable, finical rogue;... the son and heir of a mongral bitch: one whom I will beat into clamorous whining, if thou deniest the least syllable of thy addition."'
-The Bard
autumn1971 is online now   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 4th May 2019, 09:45 AM   #3
fuelair
Cythraul Enfys
 
fuelair's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 58,226
Originally Posted by Checkmite View Post
154 people are being "monitored", with several under direct quarantine, after a husband and wife died in Bayan-Olgii province, in extreme western Mongolia.

The husband and wife were visiting Mongolia when they died at the end of last month, after the couple cooked and consumed a marmot that the husband had illegally hunted. Doctors determined bubonic plague to be the most likely cause of their deaths. Hunting and eating marmot is illegal in Mongolia precisely because the animals are known to carry the plague.

Part of authorities' emergency response included closing a border crossing with Russia in the region, leaving some tourists stranded for at least the weekend. Health officials are closely watching dozens of people known to have had contact with the couple before their deaths, in some cases quarantining them. Airline passengers from the region who landed in the capital city after the emergency was declared have also been screened.

Bubonic plague is treatable with modern antibiotics; however, Y. pestis is a potent critter, capable even of infecting leukocytes, so the disease has to be identified quickly and treatment must be rapid and aggressive to achieve best case.
"Hoist on their own petard!", comes to mind for some odd reason.
__________________
There is no problem so great that it cannot be fixed by small explosives carefully placed.

Wash this space!

We fight for the Lady Babylon!!!
fuelair is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 4th May 2019, 08:44 PM   #4
DragonLady
Illuminator
 
DragonLady's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 4,090
Quote:
Part of authorities' emergency response included closing a border crossing with Russia in the region, leaving some tourists stranded for at least the weekend. Health officials are closely watching dozens of people known to have had contact with the couple before their deaths, in some cases quarantining them. Airline passengers from the region who landed in the capital city after the emergency was declared have also been screened.
??? I thought plague was spread by fleas? Is this something new that is contagious directly from person to person?
__________________
http://www.troubador.co.uk/book_info.asp?bookid=2499

“She would be half a planet away, floating in a turquoise sea, dancing by moonlight to flamenco guitar.” ~ Janet Fitch

The Gweat and Tewwible Winged One
DragonLady is online now   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 4th May 2019, 09:19 PM   #5
Checkmite
Skepticifimisticalationist
 
Checkmite's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Gulf Coast
Posts: 23,425
Originally Posted by DragonLady View Post
??? I thought plague was spread by fleas? Is this something new that is contagious directly from person to person?
Fleas are certainly spread directly from person to person.
__________________
"¿WHAT KIND OF BIRD?
¿A PARANORMAL BIRD?"
--- Carlos S., 2002
Checkmite is online now   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 4th May 2019, 09:52 PM   #6
Skeptic Ginger
Nasty Woman
 
Skeptic Ginger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 73,345
Originally Posted by DragonLady View Post
??? I thought plague was spread by fleas? Is this something new that is contagious directly from person to person?
First, plague is done being a worldwide threat. It's treatable with antibiotics**. But it still sounds scary.

There are two forms, bubonic (spread by fleas and direct contact) and pneumonic plague, spread in the air.

Either way, it's not a threat in the first world. While this is going on the news media has barely covered the new ebola outbreak that has almost surpassed the last one. And this time idiots are shooting the health care workers trying to contain it.


**While plague is treatable, it's also capable of readily developing drug resistance.

Will The Plague Pathogen Become Resistant To Antibiotics? Yes, it will.
Quote:
2007: A small piece of DNA that helps bacteria commonly found in US meat and poultry resist several antibiotics has also been found in the plague bacillus Yersinia pestis, gene sequence researchers report.
__________________
Restore checks and balances no matter your party affiliation.
Skeptic Ginger is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 5th May 2019, 02:29 AM   #7
EHocking
Philosopher
 
EHocking's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 6,817
Originally Posted by fuelair View Post
"Hoist on their own petard!", comes to mind for some odd reason.
Yes. A man and his pregnant wife dying and orphaning their four other children will teach them a lesson.

Oh, and pet peeve? It is, “Hoist with his own petard.”.
It means to be harmed by your own plan to harm someone else.
So not only misquoted, but misused in this case.
__________________
"A closed mouth gathers no feet"
"Ignorance is a renewable resource" P.J.O'Rourke
"It's all god's handiwork, there's little quality control applied", Fox26 reporter on Texas granite
You can't make up anything anymore. The world itself is a satire. All you're doing is recording it. Art Buchwald
EHocking is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 5th May 2019, 03:34 AM   #8
dann
Philosopher
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 7,562
Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
And this time idiots are shooting the health care workers trying to contain it.

Yes, a lot of things make people suspicious of health care workers. And we can probably all agree that such things should be avoided at all costs.
__________________
/dann
"Stupidity renders itself invisible by assuming very large proportions. Completely unreasonable claims are irrefutable. Ni-en-leh pointed out that a philosopher might get into trouble by claiming that two times two makes five, but he does not risk much by claiming that two times two makes shoe polish." B. Brecht
"The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions." K. Marx
dann is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 5th May 2019, 04:03 AM   #9
Mojo
Mostly harmless
 
Mojo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 30,916
Originally Posted by fuelair View Post
"Hoist on their own petard!", comes to mind for some odd reason.

“By”, not “on”.
__________________
"You got to use your brain." - McKinley Morganfield

"The poor mystic homeopaths feel like petted house-cats thrown at high flood on the breaking ice." - Leon Trotsky
Mojo is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 5th May 2019, 08:34 PM   #10
EHocking
Philosopher
 
EHocking's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 6,817
Originally Posted by Mojo View Post
“By”, not “on”.
”with” not “by”.
__________________
"A closed mouth gathers no feet"
"Ignorance is a renewable resource" P.J.O'Rourke
"It's all god's handiwork, there's little quality control applied", Fox26 reporter on Texas granite
You can't make up anything anymore. The world itself is a satire. All you're doing is recording it. Art Buchwald
EHocking is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 6th May 2019, 01:39 PM   #11
William Parcher
Show me the monkey!
 
William Parcher's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 22,466
Daily Mail reports that this couple had actually eaten raw marmot kidney.
__________________
Bigfoot believers and Bigfoot skeptics are both plumb crazy. Each spends more than one minute per year thinking about Bigfoot.
William Parcher is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 6th May 2019, 02:36 PM   #12
Trebuchet
Penultimate Amazing
 
Trebuchet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: The Great Northwet
Posts: 21,040
Darwin award winners!
__________________
Cum catapultae proscribeantur tum soli proscripti catapultas habeant.
Trebuchet is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 6th May 2019, 03:44 PM   #13
Checkmite
Skepticifimisticalationist
 
Checkmite's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Gulf Coast
Posts: 23,425
Originally Posted by William Parcher View Post
Daily Mail reports that this couple had actually eaten raw marmot kidney.
Last of the Mo-freak-ans.
__________________
"¿WHAT KIND OF BIRD?
¿A PARANORMAL BIRD?"
--- Carlos S., 2002
Checkmite is online now   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 7th May 2019, 02:25 AM   #14
EHocking
Philosopher
 
EHocking's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 6,817
Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
Darwin award winners!
Yes their remaining (orphaned) 4 children will be so thrilled . . .

Again, like the petard post, Darwin Award doesn’t even apply here’s either.


BTW, Why are so many poster here so gleeful about a couple dying from food poisoning?
WTF is wrong with everyone?
__________________
"A closed mouth gathers no feet"
"Ignorance is a renewable resource" P.J.O'Rourke
"It's all god's handiwork, there's little quality control applied", Fox26 reporter on Texas granite
You can't make up anything anymore. The world itself is a satire. All you're doing is recording it. Art Buchwald

Last edited by EHocking; 7th May 2019 at 02:28 AM.
EHocking is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 7th May 2019, 10:55 AM   #15
luchog
Neo-Post-Retro-Revivalist
 
luchog's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: The Emerald City
Posts: 15,346
Originally Posted by EHocking View Post
BTW, Why are so many poster here so gleeful about a couple dying from food poisoning?

Probably this:
Quote:
cooked and consumed a marmot that the husband had illegally hunted
Quote:
Dr N.Tsogbadrakh, director of National Centre for Zoonotic Dermatology and Medicine, said: 'Despite the fact that eating marmots is banned, Citizen T hunted marmot.
HTH, HAND
__________________
"All opinions are not equal. Some are a very great deal more robust, sophisticated and well supported in logic and argument than others." -- Douglas Adams
"The absence of evidence might indeed not be evidence of absence, but it's a pretty good start." -- PhantomWolf
"Let's see the buggers figure that one out." - John Lennon
luchog is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 7th May 2019, 07:38 PM   #16
Silly Green Monkey
Cowardly Lurking in the Shadows of Greatness
 
Silly Green Monkey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Arizona
Posts: 4,621
I wonder what a marmot looks like? I don't know where they're illegal to hunt. I should totally assume that this couple knew all that we know as well as what it looks like.
__________________
Normal is just a stereotype.
Silly Green Monkey is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 7th May 2019, 07:44 PM   #17
Skeptic Ginger
Nasty Woman
 
Skeptic Ginger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 73,345
Originally Posted by Silly Green Monkey View Post
I wonder what a marmot looks like? I don't know where they're illegal to hunt. I should totally assume that this couple knew all that we know as well as what it looks like.
They look like beavers without the tail, ground hogs, or wombats with shorter legs.
__________________
Restore checks and balances no matter your party affiliation.
Skeptic Ginger is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 7th May 2019, 08:20 PM   #18
Silly Green Monkey
Cowardly Lurking in the Shadows of Greatness
 
Silly Green Monkey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Arizona
Posts: 4,621
Sounds like something I'd consider food if I were roughing it and living off the land. Maybe a little like nutria?
__________________
Normal is just a stereotype.
Silly Green Monkey is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 7th May 2019, 09:04 PM   #19
EHocking
Philosopher
 
EHocking's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 6,817
Originally Posted by luchog View Post
Probably this:

HTH, HAND
Still not seeing how two people dying (one pregnant) and four children orphaned is amusing to posters here.
__________________
"A closed mouth gathers no feet"
"Ignorance is a renewable resource" P.J.O'Rourke
"It's all god's handiwork, there's little quality control applied", Fox26 reporter on Texas granite
You can't make up anything anymore. The world itself is a satire. All you're doing is recording it. Art Buchwald
EHocking is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 8th May 2019, 02:17 AM   #20
Hungry81
Master Poster
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 2,117
Originally Posted by Silly Green Monkey View Post
Sounds like something I'd consider food if I were roughing it and living off the land. Maybe a little like nutria?
Yeah but you would probably cook it first, oh and educate yourself as to why they are illegal to hunt.
Hungry81 is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 8th May 2019, 06:37 AM   #21
Armitage72
Master Poster
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 2,780
Originally Posted by autumn1971 View Post
The plague is endemic in the American Southwest.

There are signs all over Grand Canyon National Park warning visitors not to approach ground-squirrels because of it.

On the TV series "Dead Like Me", people who became Grim Reapers when they died were assigned to handle specific causes of death and could only move on to the afterlife themselves once they had harvested a certain number of souls. In one episode, a group of very old Reapers responsible for plague victims were shown with desperate looks on their faces, sitting in the park watching people feed squirrels.
Armitage72 is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 8th May 2019, 07:00 AM   #22
Tolls
Illuminator
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 4,525
Originally Posted by Silly Green Monkey View Post
Sounds like something I'd consider food if I were roughing it and living off the land. Maybe a little like nutria?
Living off the land in a country you likely know squit-diddly about is usually recipe for disaster.
Tolls is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 8th May 2019, 07:16 AM   #23
William Parcher
Show me the monkey!
 
William Parcher's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 22,466
Originally Posted by Hungry81 View Post
Yeah but you would probably cook it first, oh and educate yourself as to why they are illegal to hunt.
They may have cooked it other than the kidneys. The report specifically mentions that the kidneys were eaten raw and mentions nothing about anything else. It might be that there is a local custom or tradition of eating raw marmot kidneys even though you cook the rest of the animal. Or maybe the kidneys are the only entrails eaten and they are taken raw.

Marmots are ground squirrels. They are the biggest of the ground squirrel family. Marmots probably taste similar to tree squirrels which are eaten locally in various parts of the world.
__________________
Bigfoot believers and Bigfoot skeptics are both plumb crazy. Each spends more than one minute per year thinking about Bigfoot.
William Parcher is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 8th May 2019, 07:20 AM   #24
TragicMonkey
Poisoned Waffles
 
TragicMonkey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Monkey
Posts: 48,712
Marmots are very cute. The mountain dwelling species sometimes enjoy chewing on the undersides of parked vehicles, causing surprise to national park visitors. But like most of nature, cuteness is not sufficient cause to be friendly, Kevin.
__________________
You added nothing to that conversation, Barbara.
TragicMonkey is online now   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 8th May 2019, 08:00 AM   #25
luchog
Neo-Post-Retro-Revivalist
 
luchog's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: The Emerald City
Posts: 15,346
Originally Posted by William Parcher View Post
The report specifically mentions that the kidneys were eaten raw and mentions nothing about anything else. It might be that there is a local custom or tradition of eating raw marmot kidneys even though you cook the rest of the animal. Or maybe the kidneys are the only entrails eaten and they are taken raw.

Looking around at other reports, it appears as though eating the kidney raw may have been some sort of "traditional medicine" thing. It also looks like they ate more than just the kidney raw, including the gall bladder. I've seen gall bladder recommended as a cure for many things in Traditional Chinese Medicine, and similar folk medicine traditions.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...y-died-plague/

Yet more proof of just how stupid and dangerous "traditional medicine" can be.

Apparently this is not entirely unheard of.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ne/1126785001/

Excerpt:
Quote:
The local governor Aipiin Gilimkhaan told AFP that no other cases have been reported in the area. According to the new agency, at least one person a year in Mongolia dies from the plague, often from eating raw meat carrying Yersinia pestis, the plague bacterium.
__________________
"All opinions are not equal. Some are a very great deal more robust, sophisticated and well supported in logic and argument than others." -- Douglas Adams
"The absence of evidence might indeed not be evidence of absence, but it's a pretty good start." -- PhantomWolf
"Let's see the buggers figure that one out." - John Lennon
luchog is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 8th May 2019, 11:53 AM   #26
CORed
Philosopher
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Central City, Colorado, USA
Posts: 8,657
Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
They look like beavers without the tail, ground hogs, or wombats with shorter legs.
Ground hogs actually are a species of marmot (Marmota monax), and other marmots that I'm familiar with look similar (The Yellow Bellied Marmot, Marmota flaviventris is common in my neck of the woods, the Rocky Mountains). They are large rodents that live in burrows, and most of them (maybe all) hibernate, at least in area with cold winters.
CORed is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 8th May 2019, 05:06 PM   #27
Checkmite
Skepticifimisticalationist
 
Checkmite's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Gulf Coast
Posts: 23,425
Originally Posted by William Parcher View Post
It might be that there is a local custom or tradition of eating raw marmot kidneys even though you cook the rest of the animal.
They were tourists though, not locals. Or at least that's how they were initially presented. Has that changed?
__________________
"¿WHAT KIND OF BIRD?
¿A PARANORMAL BIRD?"
--- Carlos S., 2002
Checkmite is online now   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 8th May 2019, 05:23 PM   #28
William Parcher
Show me the monkey!
 
William Parcher's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 22,466
Originally Posted by Checkmite View Post
They were tourists though, not locals. Or at least that's how they were initially presented. Has that changed?
No. But it doesn't matter because tourists will engage in local customs and traditions.
__________________
Bigfoot believers and Bigfoot skeptics are both plumb crazy. Each spends more than one minute per year thinking about Bigfoot.
William Parcher is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 8th May 2019, 08:24 PM   #29
shemp
a flimsy character...perfidious and despised
 
shemp's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: People's Democratic Republic of Planet X
Posts: 30,175
Originally Posted by TragicMonkey View Post
Marmots are very cute. The mountain dwelling species sometimes enjoy chewing on the undersides of parked vehicles, causing surprise to national park visitors. But like most of nature, cuteness is not sufficient cause to be friendly, Kevin.
My name is not Kevin. Shirley you must know that by now!
__________________
"Shemp, you are the one fixed point in an ever-changing universe." - Beady
"I don't want to live in a world without shemp." - Quarky
"Real name? Xavier Jorge Gladdius Horatio McShrimp. No wonder he goes by shemp." - wasapi
"...just as a magnet attracts iron filings, Trump shemp attracts, and is attracted to, louts." - George Will
shemp is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 8th May 2019, 10:59 PM   #30
Checkmite
Skepticifimisticalationist
 
Checkmite's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Gulf Coast
Posts: 23,425
Originally Posted by William Parcher View Post
No. But it doesn't matter because tourists will engage in local customs and traditions.
Damn you, Anthony Boudain.
__________________
"¿WHAT KIND OF BIRD?
¿A PARANORMAL BIRD?"
--- Carlos S., 2002
Checkmite is online now   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 9th May 2019, 06:38 AM   #31
William Parcher
Show me the monkey!
 
William Parcher's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 22,466
Originally Posted by Checkmite View Post
They were tourists though, not locals. Or at least that's how they were initially presented. Has that changed?
Wait. Not tourists. The couple were locals. Not sure that they were ever presented as tourists.

Originally Posted by Medical Xpress
A Mongolian couple has died of the bubonic plague after eating raw marmot kidney, triggering a quarantine that left tourists stranded in a remote region for days, officials said Monday.

The ethnic Kazakh couple died on May 1 in Mongolia's westernmost province of Bayan-Ulgii, which borders Russia and China.

"The two dead were local people," said local governor Aipiin Gilimkhaan. "There were no cases reported after them."...
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2019-...lague-raw.html
__________________
Bigfoot believers and Bigfoot skeptics are both plumb crazy. Each spends more than one minute per year thinking about Bigfoot.
William Parcher is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 9th May 2019, 07:00 AM   #32
Tolls
Illuminator
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 4,525
Originally Posted by William Parcher View Post
Wait. Not tourists. The couple were locals. Not sure that they were ever presented as tourists.
That'll teach me not to rely on a poster's interpretation of a news article!

Going through the other links, including the original one in the OP from the Siberian Times, they all say it was a local Mogolian couple.
Tolls is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 9th May 2019, 07:06 AM   #33
TragicMonkey
Poisoned Waffles
 
TragicMonkey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Monkey
Posts: 48,712
Originally Posted by CORed View Post
Ground hogs actually are a species of marmot (Marmota monax), and other marmots that I'm familiar with look similar (The Yellow Bellied Marmot, Marmota flaviventris is common in my neck of the woods, the Rocky Mountains). They are large rodents that live in burrows, and most of them (maybe all) hibernate, at least in area with cold winters.
And if you ride the train up Pikes Peak you can see marmots sunning themselves on rocks, making faces at you! So cute!
__________________
You added nothing to that conversation, Barbara.
TragicMonkey is online now   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 9th May 2019, 07:39 AM   #34
Trebuchet
Penultimate Amazing
 
Trebuchet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: The Great Northwet
Posts: 21,040
Originally Posted by TragicMonkey View Post
And if you ride the train up Pikes Peak you can see marmots sunning themselves on rocks, making faces at you! So cute!
In the mountains out here, they whistle at you.
__________________
Cum catapultae proscribeantur tum soli proscripti catapultas habeant.
Trebuchet is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 9th May 2019, 08:17 AM   #35
GnaGnaMan
Graduate Poster
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 1,553
Eating raw meat isn't particularly unusual. Raw pork is a specialty in Germany, for example.
It's curious because pigs can get dangerous parasites, which might be the reason that some religions consider pigs unclean.
Nowadays, veterinary inspections have done away with the risk but i always wondered how it became a thing.
It's delicious, btw.
__________________
It makes no difference whatever whether they laugh at us or revile us, whether they represent us as clowns or criminals; the main thing is that they mention us, that they concern themselves with us again and again. -Hitler
GnaGnaMan is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 9th May 2019, 10:57 AM   #36
TragicMonkey
Poisoned Waffles
 
TragicMonkey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Monkey
Posts: 48,712
Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
In the mountains out here, they whistle at you.
I'm a proper gentleman and don't encourage that sort of behavior. Anymore.
__________________
You added nothing to that conversation, Barbara.
TragicMonkey is online now   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 9th May 2019, 11:37 AM   #37
Skeptic Ginger
Nasty Woman
 
Skeptic Ginger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 73,345
Originally Posted by GnaGnaMan View Post
Eating raw meat isn't particularly unusual. Raw pork is a specialty in Germany, for example.
It's curious because pigs can get dangerous parasites, which might be the reason that some religions consider pigs unclean.
Nowadays, veterinary inspections have done away with the risk but i always wondered how it became a thing.
It's delicious, btw.
Was that after 1999?

Increased incidence of trichinosis cases in Germany - 06/1999
Quote:
The foods involved were identified as raw sausage (smoked sausage spread) and minced meat, which in some cases were produced from raw pork and also consumed raw....

... Obviously the source of infection was raw pork which had not been or had not been properly examined for trichina or had not been subjected to an approved cold treatment method.
No, vet inspections have not done away with the risks. There is a way to eliminate the risk but it appears that is subject to human error.
__________________
Restore checks and balances no matter your party affiliation.
Skeptic Ginger is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 9th May 2019, 12:18 PM   #38
Checkmite
Skepticifimisticalationist
 
Checkmite's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Gulf Coast
Posts: 23,425
Originally Posted by Tolls View Post
That'll teach me not to rely on a poster's interpretation of a news article!
No kidding. Luckily this particular detail wasn't that important; but still, that was a pretty glaring error on my part.
__________________
"¿WHAT KIND OF BIRD?
¿A PARANORMAL BIRD?"
--- Carlos S., 2002
Checkmite is online now   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 9th May 2019, 01:52 PM   #39
Babbylonian
Penultimate Amazing
 
Babbylonian's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 11,572
Originally Posted by Checkmite View Post
No kidding. Luckily this particular detail wasn't that important; but still, that was a pretty glaring error on my part.
I dunno. A tourist couple going on vacation abroad to hunt the local rodents would be pretty damn weird.
Babbylonian is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 10th May 2019, 12:29 AM   #40
Tolls
Illuminator
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 4,525
Everyone needs a hobby.
Tolls is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Reply

International Skeptics Forum » General Topics » Social Issues & Current Events

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 03:56 PM.
Powered by vBulletin. Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

This forum began as part of the James Randi Education Foundation (JREF). However, the forum now exists as
an independent entity with no affiliation with or endorsement by the JREF, including the section in reference to "JREF" topics.

Disclaimer: Messages posted in the Forum are solely the opinion of their authors.