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Old 25th September 2018, 06:39 AM   #41
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Originally Posted by Dave Rogers View Post
I'm pretty sure it actually said:

"What is a word people tend to think an AI wouldn't randomly use?"

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So, in other words, "How to Fake a Turing Test"?

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Old 25th September 2018, 06:42 AM   #42
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Originally Posted by Hellbound View Post
So, in other words, "How to Fake a Turing Test"?

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Old 25th September 2018, 07:16 AM   #43
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It's actually "What word do people [the survey respondents] tend to think other people [the judge of the hypothetical contest] tend to think an AI wouldn't randomly use?"

The contest itself would never work; it fails as soon as it becomes "meta," which it inherently does almost immediately. Regardless of how much thinking goes into deciding upon a word, it's trivially easy to imitate that word, or substitute similar ones, subsequently. It's only interesting if the challenge is new and unexpected, and even then, if the AI were able to predict "what would a human tend to say in this novel situation?" it would do well enough in the contest, and if it weren't it would be easy to distinguish from a human most of the time.

The interest is in the what-people-think parts, as Dave and the original investigators point out. The results show (not particularly surprisingly) that people would expect an AI to stand out as cerebral and erudite (as they've been depicted in SF for decades) and overlook the simple or childish or crude.

Of the answers I've though of so far, my favorite is "rosebud." It shows a degree of creative association, to a cultural reference in which a single word has a cryptic meaning exposing the questioned human-ness of the speaker, that just might be beyond an AI. (Though, if Watson can win Jeopardy, that approach might not work at all. And, on the other side of the coin, the human judge might not understand it.)
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Old 25th September 2018, 07:40 AM   #44
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Originally Posted by Myriad View Post
The contest itself would never work; it fails as soon as it becomes "meta," which it inherently does almost immediately.
It doesn't even need to wait that long. There's no reasonable way to expect to be able to tell a human from an AI through their choice of one word. As you note, all you're really testing there is what the people who programmed it think would be the word most likely to fool the examiners.

It'd be better if it was a word said in answer to a question, but even then the fact that it's a single word would allow for too much interpretation on the part of the judges. Unless the answer is completely nonsensical, then something where you have to search for meaning might be seen as a sign of abstract thinking.

For example, if the question were "what do you think about Donald Trump's presidency?" and the answer was "bananas" then that could either be a sign that the AI picked a random word that doesn't fit or it could be a sign that it's being compared to a banana republic. Or that Trump is being said to be crazy. "Dope" could mean that the respondent thinks he's an idiot, or that it's great, or that it's addictive. And so on.
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Old 25th September 2018, 07:51 AM   #45
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I just fill in the Captcha.
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Old 25th September 2018, 08:39 AM   #46
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I just fill in the Captcha.
The street sign ones are always a little questionable. Do they mean all the squares which are completely filled with the signs, or should I click on a square that has 3 pixels that are from a sign? Do I have to click on the poles as well?

I've never been able to tell.
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Old 25th September 2018, 09:37 AM   #47
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Of course, little of this has anything to do with an actual Turing test.

( Has anyone coined the rule of " Of course..." ? )
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Old 25th September 2018, 10:51 AM   #48
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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim View Post
The street sign ones are always a little questionable. Do they mean all the squares which are completely filled with the signs, or should I click on a square that has 3 pixels that are from a sign? Do I have to click on the poles as well?

I've never been able to tell.
And is any sign upon a vehicle-travelled path a 'street sign'? A stop sign clearly is, but what about 'Vote For Nancy Buttocks'? Is the distinction between street, road, avenue, boulevard, court, and way relevant?

Perhaps an indicator of humanness is that given a task the human will raise objections, complaints, and questions!
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Originally Posted by TragicMonkey View Post
... Is the distinction between street, road, avenue, boulevard, court, and way relevant?
In France it is!
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Originally Posted by gerdbonk View Post
And nobody said "supercalifragilisticexpialidocious"?
At least one did. Also, "moist" and "asystole".
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Old 8th October 2018, 08:23 AM   #52
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Originally Posted by Skeptical Greg View Post
Of course, little of this has anything to do with an actual Turing test.

( Has anyone coined the rule of " Of course..." ? )
So, of course Hitler was just a Poe.
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Old 8th October 2018, 08:37 AM   #53
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Originally Posted by Skeptical Greg View Post
( Has anyone coined the rule of " Of course..." ? )
No, but I think it's pretty well established that it's a pre-emptive claim that anybody disagreeing with what follows is either ignorant, stupid or both.

Sorry, let me rephrase that.

No, but of course it's pretty well established that it's a pre-emptive claim that anybody disagreeing with what follows is either ignorant, stupid or both.

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Old 8th October 2018, 02:15 PM   #54
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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim View Post
The street sign ones are always a little questionable. Do they mean all the squares which are completely filled with the signs, or should I click on a square that has 3 pixels that are from a sign? Do I have to click on the poles as well?

I've never been able to tell.
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