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Old 19th May 2016, 07:41 PM   #2521
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Originally Posted by MicahJava View Post
As always, you are referring to commercial explosive devices designed to blow through solid steel and concrete. It's not really the holy grail argument against CD.
So you asserted that since the cutter charges used in the Aladdin demolition weren't picked up by a seismograph that day one's supposedly used on 9/11 wouldn't have been detected either, but now you're claiming it wasn't explosives used after all but something else?????

If explosives weren't used, why are you so fascinated with the Ashley Banfield video then? You do know thermite doesn't make that type of sound don't you?
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Why waste my time?
Yea, time that could be spent trying to find a collapse time of no more than 6 seconds.

Any luck with that yet?
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Why waste my time?
Ahh another dodge. The lurkers are giving up on you.
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Originally Posted by ProBonoShill View Post
So you asserted that since the cutter charges used in the Aladdin demolition weren't picked up by a seismograph that day one's supposedly used on 9/11 wouldn't have been detected either, but now you're claiming it wasn't explosives used after all but something else?????

If explosives weren't used, why are you so fascinated with the Ashley Banfield video then? You do know thermite doesn't make that type of sound don't you?
It's a feature of a serial liar. Can't keep the stories straight.

Remind me again how many versions say it was terrorists, aircraft and fire?
Oh, just the one.

See, it's easy to keep the story straight if it's the truth.
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Old 19th May 2016, 07:51 PM   #2525
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Please post this video.

I'm going to start a thread in the future with the times of all captured explosions laid out. I'll post it then.

If you want to make a little bit more of an ass of yourself and claim they don't exist I'll post them now.
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Old 19th May 2016, 07:51 PM   #2526
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Anyone who doesn't use the word "massive" or a synonym of it to describe them is either suffering from a head injury or didn't get enough oxygen at birth.

That's science!
The only evidence for anything other than a few pockets of fire on a few floors are firefighter's witness accounts, many of which erroneously described the smoke sticking to the south face as "all 47 floors engulfed in fire".
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Old 19th May 2016, 07:55 PM   #2527
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Please post links to the hundreds of videos of the collapse of WTC7 that you claim exist. If you actually find one where the explosions can clearly be heard, I promise the FBI will be knocking on your door soon.
https://www.google.ca/search?q=seism...se+compilation

So let me get this straight, you think explosive sounds were scrubbed from all the videos in the above link?

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Originally Posted by MicahJava View Post
The only evidence for anything other than a few pockets of fire on a few floors are firefighter's witness accounts, many of which erroneously described the smoke sticking to the south face as "all 47 floors engulfed in fire".
How do you know those reports are erroneous?

You're making crap up. Try dealing with reality for a few moments.

These people were right in front of it. Were you?
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Old 19th May 2016, 07:59 PM   #2529
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How do you know those reports are erroneous?

You're making crap up. Try dealing with reality for a few moments.

These people were right in front of it. Were you?
I'm not saying the reports were erroneous.
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Originally Posted by MicahJava View Post
The only evidence for anything ...
There is no evidence in 9/11 truth, evidence is forbidden.

Where do you guys get silent explosives from?

You never said if these witnesses support your CD theory of woo?
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"Sounded like bombs" –Keith Murphy
"A huge explosion" –Gerard Gorman
"Sound of popping and exploding" –Alwish Monchery
"Explosions" –William Burns
"Kept hearing these large boom, boom" –Rosario Terranova
"Sounded like explosions." –Anthony Fitzgerald
"Like a shotgun going off" –Mark Meier
"Sounded like explosions" –Wilfred Barriere
"Sounded like bombs, like blockbusters" –John Murray
"You could hear explosions" –Richard Smiouskas
"Sounded like an M-80, that's how loud they were" –Tim Pearson
"Sounds like a shotgun" –Eric Ronningen
"Sounded like an explosion" –John Morabito
"There were lots of explosions" –Jeff Birnbaum
"Under the assumption that the sounds were secondary bombs." –Andrew Rodriguez
"Sounded like bombs. Like a bomb going off. I mean, it was huge." –FDNY Deputy Chief Peter Hayden
Why is 9/11 truth evidence free.
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Old 19th May 2016, 08:01 PM   #2531
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Originally Posted by MicahJava View Post
The only evidence for anything other than a few pockets of fire on a few floors are firefighter's witness accounts, many of which erroneously described the smoke sticking to the south face as "all 47 floors engulfed in fire".
I'll put my faith in the FDNY over some internet troll all day, everyday.

Besides all one has to do is perform a simple google search to prove you're a massive liar.

https://www.google.ca/search?q=wtc+7...wUB68Q_AUIBigB
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Old 19th May 2016, 08:09 PM   #2532
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There is no evidence in 9/11 truth, evidence is forbidden.

Where do you guys get silent explosives from?

You never said if these witnesses support your CD theory of woo?


Why is 9/11 truth evidence free.
I've heard this one before, those quotes are describing human bodies hitting the ground!

Oh wait, that's not funny at all.
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Originally Posted by MicahJava View Post
I've heard this one before, those quotes are describing human bodies hitting the ground!

Oh wait, that's not funny at all.
You posted lies from nuts in 9/11 truth about sounds of explosions, trying to say they were proof of explosives; are you a liar, or was the paper you posted reference to a lie you are exposing.

Not funny at all, yet you spread lies about 9/11, mocking the murder of thousands with. And you do this mocking without evidence.

You post paper by idiots filled with failed logic. And you don't explain the paper, as you Gish Gallop on to the next failed point.
Not funny at all; why do you lie about 9/11?

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You post lies from one of the dumbest anti-intellectual in 9/11 truth. You and he share the lack of logic, lack of knowledge, and complete ignorance of physics, chemistry, and science in general.

no evidence movement based on the ignorance of its members = 9/11 truth

This is the best you can do for the memory of thousands killed on 9/11, speculate and spread lies.
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Old 19th May 2016, 08:21 PM   #2534
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I'm not saying the reports were erroneous.
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You just did.
Stop lying.
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Old 19th May 2016, 08:29 PM   #2535
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You just did.
Stop lying.
You are the liar or can't read. I just said that there's no evidence for floors fully engulfed in intense fires besides what firefighters say. The reports that the entire building was engulfed in fire or "all 47 floors" on fire seems to actually be describing smoke, not actual flames. Also, unlike other historic large fires like One Meridian Plaze, the fire could not have spread floor-to-floor.

The prediction by the engineer before 1:00 PM was made when the heavy fires had only been burning for less than an hour.

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Old 19th May 2016, 08:33 PM   #2536
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You are the liar or can't read. I just said that there's no evidence for floors fully engulfed in intense fires besides what firefighters say. The reports that the entire building was engulfed in fire or "all 47 floors" on fire seems to actually be describing smoke, not actual flames. Also, unlike other historic large fires like One Meridian Plaze, the fire could not have spread floor-to-floor.

The prediction by the engineer before 1:00 PM was made when the heavy fires had only been burning for less than an hour.
Which only prove that was knowledgeable, experienced, and good at his job.

Or he was complicit in the mass murder of thousands.
Which is it?
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You are the liar or can't read. I just said that there's no evidence for floors fully engulfed in intense fires besides what firefighters say. The reports that the entire building was engulfed in fire or "all 47 floors" on fire seems to actually be describing smoke, not actual flames. Also, unlike other historic large fires like One Meridian Plaze, the fire could not have spread floor-to-floor.

The prediction by the engineer before 1:00 PM was made when the heavy fires had only been burning for less than an hour.
Did they use One Meridian Plaza after the fire?

Why do you lie about 9/11? 19 terrorists did 9/11, they would be laughing at your inability to figure out what they did, all by themselves.

One Meridian Plaza... lol, the firemen pulled back, they feared collapse... read the report next time...

oops fire does damage steel.


Go ahead compare it to the WTC, and we see steel fails in fire... darn, you are self debunking.

If 9/11 was at night, the whole small fire, cold fire, little fires BS would be gone. Why does 9/11 truth cling to fantasy dumbed down for those who can't think for themselves?

The fires in the WTC towers were more heat energy than 2,700 tons of thermite... is thermite your fantasy, another lie is fueling your speculation based on BS?
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Which only prove that was knowledgeable, experienced, and good at his job.
And you have no explanation as to how such precise foresight of a historical first is possible. Seriously, a skyscraper is on fire for an hour and some anonymous guy predicts it's collapse five hours after? That doesn't sound weird to you? You will either meet me with a half-answer or try to justify one historical first with another.


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Or he was complicit in the mass murder of thousands.
Which is it?
It is definitely a possibility that he was complicit in mass murder.
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And you have no explanation as to how such precise foresight of a historical first is possible. Seriously, a skyscraper is on fire for an hour and some anonymous guy predicts it's collapse five hours after? That doesn't sound weird to you? You will either meet me with a half-answer or try to justify one historical first with another.




It is definitely a possibility that he was complicit in mass murder.
Do tell, how was he complicit in mass murder?

This should be good.
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So you asserted that since the cutter charges used in the Aladdin demolition weren't picked up by a seismograph that day one's supposedly used on 9/11 wouldn't have been detected either, but now you're claiming it wasn't explosives used after all but something else?????

If explosives weren't used, why are you so fascinated with the Ashley Banfield video then? You do know thermite doesn't make that type of sound don't you?
Still waiting for an answer, that new investigation isn't going to happen by itself.

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Did they use One Meridian Plaza after the fire?

Why do you lie about 9/11? 19 terrorists did 9/11, they would be laughing at your inability to figure out what they did, all by themselves.

One Meridian Plaza... lol, the firemen pulled back, they feared collapse... read the report next time...
Half-truth. After ELEVEN HOURS OF RAGING FIRES, an engineer on the scene said that maybe there was danger of collapse. He did not say that it would collapse and he did not try predicting when it would collapse. It did not collapse. The building remained standing as a charred skeleton.

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oops fire does damage steel.

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/l...eridiansag.jpg
Go ahead compare it to the WTC, and we see steel fails in fire... darn, you are self debunking.

If 9/11 was at night, the whole small fire, cold fire, little fires BS would be gone. Why does 9/11 truth cling to fantasy dumbed down for those who can't think for themselves?

The fires in the WTC towers were more heat energy than 2,700 tons of thermite... is thermite your fantasy, another lie is fueling your speculation based on BS?
So, interior structural steel slowly and gradually sagged without sudden catastrophic failure? That's nice.
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Still waiting for an answer, that new investigation isn't gong to happen by itself.

Do better.
When did I say "thermite was used"? I just said that the presence of iron microspheres is a known residue of an exotic accelerant, and should be on the list of reasons why inside job should be investigated.
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And you have no explanation as to how such precise foresight of a historical first is possible. Seriously, a skyscraper is on fire for an hour and some anonymous guy predicts it's collapse five hours after? That doesn't sound weird to you? You will either meet me with a half-answer or try to justify one historical first with .
Of course I have an explanation. You think I'm a truther?
Lol, no.

It's possible because prior to 9-11, there have been (stupid guess) tens of thousands of examples of steel failing in a fire. Every time steel failed in a fire, in human history, fire science has taken notes, getting educated.

You people have stood on the side of the road, the entire time, yelling at passers-by. Trying to convince them that something was amiss with those in power. They were up to something, and it was going down soon. Hundreds of years later, we're still waiting.

While you were doing that, fire science has effectively made it so that even a printer like me predicted it would fall, and I was right. Steel fails in fire.
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When did I say "thermite was used"?
Okay so cutter charges weren't used and thermite wasn't used, what substance brought down the towers then? Did this substance bring down all three towers and the other buildings that collapsed that day or just the WTC 1, 2 and 7?

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Iron microspheres are present in a lot of situations.

What exotic accelerant? Does it have a name?

Was this exotic accelerant the cause of the explosion heard in the Ashley Banfield video you posted?
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Anyone who doesn't use the word "massive" or a synonym of it to describe them is either suffering from a head injury or didn't get enough oxygen at birth.

That's science!
I didn't expect you to get the hidden meaning. It would have been nice, but, as usual, you don't surprise me.
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The fires in the WTC towers were more heat energy than 2,700 tons of thermite.
Source? Grimm's Fairy Tales don't count.
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So let me get this straight, you think explosive sounds were scrubbed from all the videos in the above link?
It does not matter what I think.
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I'm going to start a thread in the future with the times of all captured explosions laid out. I'll post it then.

If you want to make a little bit more of an ass of yourself and claim they don't exist I'll post them now.
Post a video of people running and saying "gas leak". Oh, it has to be from 9/11/2001, and it has to be legitimate.
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Yea, time that could be spent trying to find a collapse time of no more than 6 seconds.

Any luck with that yet?
You seem fixated with 6 seconds.
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Of course I have an explanation. You think I'm a truther?
Lol, no.

It's possible because prior to 9-11, there have been (stupid guess) tens of thousands of examples of steel failing in a fire. Every time steel failed in a fire, in human history, fire science has taken notes, getting educated.

You people have stood on the side of the road, the entire time, yelling at passers-by. Trying to convince them that something was amiss with those in power. They were up to something, and it was going down soon. Hundreds of years later, we're still waiting.

While you were doing that, fire science has effectively made it so that even a printer like me predicted it would fall, and I was right. Steel fails in fire.
If it was so obvious and predictable, then why do both the NIST and ARUP report use the rare and unpredictable event of thermal expansion to explain how the collapse initiated? They should've just tried to find the Jesus engineer and he would tell them all the answers.

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Half-truth. After ELEVEN HOURS OF RAGING FIRES, an engineer on the scene said that maybe there was danger of collapse. He did not say that it would collapse and he did not try predicting when it would collapse. It did not collapse. The building remained standing as a charred skeleton.



So, interior structural steel slowly and gradually sagged without sudden catastrophic failure? That's nice.
No engineer on the scene here, building collapsed, fireman died.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/10/13...collapses.html

Thankfully one some were present during 9/11 and lives were saved.

I'm still waiting for your explanation about the engineer you claim was complicit in mass murder.

So let's get this straight, he and his fellow killers in the FDNY were worried about the building collapsing ordered every one out and all firefighters back, essentially saving their lives. That seems strange doesn't it.

Why would they warn anyone? Why wouldn't they just keep quiet, not let anyone know what they suspected and murder some more people when the building fell down?

Better yet why would they wait 7 hours to blow up the building, when they could've destroyed it right away, with people still in it so they could happily add to the death total?
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It does not matter what I think.
Well at least you're right about one thing. Let me know when you produce that video, the lurkers want to see it.
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Old 19th May 2016, 09:18 PM   #2553
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Originally Posted by FalseFlag View Post
Source? Grimm's Fairy Tales don't count.
Learn math.
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Old 19th May 2016, 09:20 PM   #2554
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Originally Posted by FalseFlag View Post
You seem fixated with 6 seconds.
You seem unable to answer his queries. How are you going to advocate for a new investigation when you constantly leave all these questions unanswered?
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Old 19th May 2016, 09:30 PM   #2555
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No engineer on the scene here, building collapsed, fireman died.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/10/13...collapses.html

Thankfully one some were present during 9/11 and lives were saved.
"Berardi lauded the bravery of the two firefighters who died and the scene was described as chaotic and apparently deteriorated quickly.

Fire Department Battalion Chief James Garrett told the Kansas City Star that the building was already heavily damaged when firefighters arrived. They were clearing an area where a roof had started to cave in about 7:30 p.m. when the building collapsed, Garrett said."

It would seem that the firefighters cleared the area because the fire was dangerous enough to kill one of them. Are you really just resorting to posting random small buildings that collapsed?

ProBonoShill, WTC 7 was not a short apartment building. Nor was it the Kader Toy Factory or Dogwood Elementary School. It was a tall, strong, fireproofed steel-framed high rise and that engineer (who would have worked there) would know that it was strong as ****.

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I'm still waiting for your explanation about the engineer you claim was complicit in mass murder.

So let's get this straight, he and his fellow killers in the FDNY were worried about the building collapsing ordered every one out and all firefighters back, essentially saving their lives. That seems strange doesn't it.

Why would they warn anyone? Why wouldn't they just keep quiet, not let anyone know what they suspected and murder some more people when the building fell down?

Better yet why would they wait 7 hours to blow up the building, when they could've destroyed it right away, with people still in it so they could happily add to the death total?
If the engineer knew about a controlled demolition, his goal in telling the firefighters it was in danger of collapse by structural failure would be so that they clear the area before they figure out a way to extinguish the fires.

As for why wait seven hours to blow it up, there could be any number of reasons that there's no way I could know. You mention that it would be better to demo it right away. This gets into the possibility that WTC 7 was actually meant to be demolished under the dust cloud of the North Tower and have it's collapse remain a quiet mystery, but something went wrong in the demolition so plan B was implemented until the problem was fixed.
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Originally Posted by MicahJava View Post
"Berardi lauded the bravery of the two firefighters who died and the scene was described as chaotic and apparently deteriorated quickly.

Fire Department Battalion Chief James Garrett told the Kansas City Star that the building was already heavily damaged when firefighters arrived. They were clearing an area where a roof had started to cave in about 7:30 p.m. when the building collapsed, Garrett said."

It would seem that the firefighters cleared the area because the fire was dangerous enough to kill one of them. Are you really just resorting to posting random small buildings that collapsed?

ProBonoShill, WTC 7 was not a short apartment building. Nor was it the Kader Toy Factory or Dogwood Elementary School. It was a tall, strong, fireproofed steel-framed high rise and that engineer (who would have worked there) would know that it was strong as ****.

So firefighters described above cleared the area because the fire was dangerous, but at WTC 7 it wasn't dangerous? Is this the idiocy you're asserting????


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If the engineer knew about a controlled demolition, his goal in telling the firefighters it was in danger of collapse by structural failure would be so that they clear the area before they figure out a way to extinguish the fires.
LOL What? Why would he do that? All the people ended up evacuating and escaped death including the firefighters. Massive fail for those blood thirsty murders. You realize you're not making sense at all right?

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As for why wait seven hours to blow it up, there could be any number of reasons that there's no way I could know. You mention that it would be better to demo it right away. This gets into the possibility that WTC 7 was actually meant to be demolished under the dust cloud of the North Tower and have it's collapse remain a quiet mystery, but something went wrong in the demolition so plan B was implemented until the problem was fixed
Well list a few, I'd like to hear a plausible explanation on why a group you claim wanted murder thousands of it's fellow citizens waited 7 hours and ended up killing not a single person.

Does that sound rational to you?

Please describe Plan B, I'd love to hear it.
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Old 19th May 2016, 09:56 PM   #2557
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Okay so cutter charges weren't used and thermite wasn't used, what substance brought down the towers then? Did this substance bring down all three towers and the other buildings that collapsed that day or just the WTC 1, 2 and 7?



Iron microspheres are present in a lot of situations.

What exotic accelerant? Does it have a name?

Was this exotic accelerant the cause of the explosion heard in the Ashley Banfield video you posted?
Still waiting....
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If it was so obvious and predictable, then why do both the NIST and ARUP report use the rare and unpredictable event of thermal expansion to explain how the collapse initiated? They should've just tried to find the Jesus engineer and he would tell them all the answers.
Steel doesn't do well in fire, especially when it's unfought. This is like 3rd grade level science. I mean if you have evidence steel strengthens during a fire please post it.
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Post a video of people running and saying "gas leak". Oh, it has to be from 9/11/2001, and it has to be legitimate.
I can give you 2 videos.

Can you give us an example of an "object in uniform motion" now that you are all knowledged up on Newtons first law ?
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Old 19th May 2016, 11:15 PM   #2560
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So firefighters described above cleared the area because the fire was dangerous, but at WTC 7 it wasn't dangerous? Is this the idiocy you're asserting????
There was no basis at 11 AM, 12 PM, or 1 PM to say that WTC 7 would collapse. If operations were abandoned due to the danger of the actual fire, that wouldn't be suspicious, but it wasn't. The collapse zone was made because a person identified as an engineer from the Office of Emergency Management told them that it would collapse in five or six hours, which lead to the fire chiefs making the decision to pull away.

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LOL What? Why would he do that? All the people ended up evacuating and escaped death including the firefighters. Massive fail for those blood thirsty murders. You realize you're not making sense at all right?
Having the firefighters avoid WTC 7 like the plague would prevent them from figuring out a way to extinguish the fires, such as recharging the sprinkler system by connecting a water line to the siamese fittings.


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Well list a few, I'd like to hear a plausible explanation on why a group you claim wanted murder thousands of it's fellow citizens waited 7 hours and ended up killing not a single person.

Does that sound rational to you?
Because of course you have to find a motive for a crime before you begin investigating it.

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Please describe Plan B, I'd love to hear it.
Stage 1: http://i.imgur.com/gXi2bmF.gifv

Stage 2: Some time between 10:30 AM and 12:00 PM, person(s) sneak in to WTC 7 to set fires on separate floors.

Stage 3: "Engineer" tells fire chiefs that WTC 7 is in danger of collapse.

Stage 4: http://i.imgur.com/n5lqQ70.gifv

Of course, I'm not saying there's any way to know this is how it would go down.

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