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5th May 2019, 04:41 AM | #441 |
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That is because you seem to think that I care he was hit by an egg.
I don't I was just pointing out from post one it is an act of violence on the part of the people doing it. Basic facts. Jerk gets hit by egg. People say it is a Nazi so not act of violence. I say it is act of violence. .............this happens |
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Lol
Geezes If countries go to war they go to war and if my country does then I back my soldiers. Police have one of the hardest jobs there is and if provable crims die for being idiots, they die. Seriously None of this changes biffing an egg at some ones head is an act of violence. You might want to stop grasping straws |
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Put it this way
Someone biffs egg at someones head and it hits. This is called an act of violence. Now you can say the recipient deserves it because they are "##########" fill in whatever. In this case, some wannabe nazi racist dude. Hey maybe nazi dude gets arrested for inciting hatred. This does not make the initial egg throwing non violent |
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No, you should get your facts straight: 1) Another Nazi egged. Yes, a fact, obviously. 2) You keep saying it, but nobody's said that it's not an act of violence because he's a Nazi. No, not a fact, but you keep up the pretense that it is. I say that egging is not violence, but I don't say so because he's a Nazi. That you're in denial about this isn't our fault. |
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“If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?” Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago |
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Think you have a misunderstanding. As far as I have followed the arguments it has been that some people have said it is assault/violence but they will excuse that because the target is a Nazi.
That's quite a different argument to the one you seem to think they've been making. |
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https://bc.ctvnews.ca/mobile/young-e...says-1.3562026 "The father of a North Vancouver boy who suffered a potentially blinding eye injury after being egged on the street is urging pranksters to consider the consequences of their actions. Marcus van Bylandt's 13-year-old son, Matthys, was walking home along Highland Boulevard Monday evening when a black SUV-type vehicle pulled up and someone hit him in the face with an egg" No not violent at all. |
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“If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?” Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago |
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.iri...664%3fmode=amp
"Woman partially blinded in egg throwing incident seeks damages Court told teenager threw egg from back seat of car and screamed ‘I hit her, I hit her’ No not violent at all. |
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First they egged the Nazi's, and I didn't care, (In fact, I sort of rejoiced) because I wasn't a Nazi...
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I have just unearthed new video of an act of senseless violence like egging, but on a grander and more dangerous scale.
Watch as Newt Gingrich is brutally assaulted, having not one but literally thousands, if not millions of separate objects thrown at his head...while his wife sits next to him in the line of fire.
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Hilited: I sleep. I'm on the other side of the globe from you. By the time I got back to the thread it had proceeded and a lot of the material was covered. My mention of you in that post was by way of acknowledging that you had given me a similar question (which, be honest, you did proffer me the opportunity to answer or to ponder over).
My point isn't about how many nazis or neo-fascist dictators one encountered when growing up. My question relates to the common two-lane blacktop town phenomenon of kids, usually in groups, egging people or houses or cars. Milk-shaking is generally done as a drive by. They're both very common. The common penalty for those caught at it is usually "clean up the man's porch, pay for their dry cleaning bill and report to Tivoli Park on Saturdays for the next month for community service. The freakish assault of the guy with the bloody eye is an exception, not a rule. As I said, I consider it "Assault Lite". But, no. I have no objections to someone egging a fascist or a Republican or a Democrat or a Socialist. My proviso, which I'm rather well known for, is that they be prepared to do the time. My only criticism of the guy what clocked Richard Spencer is that he ran off. |
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Well, one thing for sure he was definitely threatened. Waste of a good nutritious egg. The same thing happens in the US of A.
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Could you please tell us how egging a Nazi from behind could end up partially blinding him?! Is this an irresponsible act of senseless violence?!
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No, you have failed to comprehend that phrase correctly. The speaker is neither defending nor endorsing whatever it is his object is saying.
Note that this phrase, written by Evelyn Beatrice Hall, was a description (in her opinion) of Voltaire's attitude toward Claude Helvetius' having been persecuted by religious and political authorities for a treatise he had written about psychology (how the human mind works), which the religious authorities had considered threatening and heretical. The phrase was invented to describe Voltaire's opinion specifically about Helvetius' particular philosophy, which was certainly consistent with his attitude about religious censorship of intellectual writings in general. But people parrot this line as if it is an independent axiom, when there's no evidence it was ever intended as such. To imply that Voltaire would (and therefore we should) just as readily "defend to the death" someone's "right" to advocate genocide and praise mass-murderers as heroes is as absurd as claiming that the US "founding fathers" insistence that all citizens be allowed to keep a musket on hand in case the British tried to invade must imply they would be perfectly happy allowing citizens to own machine guns, rocket launchers, or weapons of mass destruction that had never been conceived of when they drafted their constitutional amendment. Again, citing it in defense of Nazi propaganda and white nationalist advocacy is to normalize these ideologies as just another harmless opinion, no different or less valid than any other. |
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My mother was a women's hairdresser. Some of her customers brought eggs to be rubbed into their hair either before or after rinsing (I don't remember which, but I do know that she was never charged as a violent offender), so maybe the Nazi should be grateful to the egger. What benefits do egg yolks offer for hair? (Medidal News Today, May 30, 2018) Some of those Nazis would look much better with a "head, full of long, luxurious, hippie hair."
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Seriously?! Man, I thought all the snowflakes had thawed by now:
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Yet more senseless and dangerous assaults on strangers, this time in the exact same location as the Nazi from the OP was ruthlessly bullied-by-egg:
This vicious and indefensible violence needs to be stopped. And obviously Union Square in New York in particular needs a heavy police presence to crack down on the assaults that seem to be a regular occurrence there. |
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Then I again offer a challenge to you
Go to you neighbours house and throw eggs at their kids heads and post a video of their dad laughing his **** off saying it wasn't violent. Or even easier Simply walk to your local police station and biff eggs at the cops heads. When they obviously get up off the floor from laughing so much you can post a video of them saying "Hey Cullennz!! That was awesomely funny....We agree with dann here....That definitely wasn't violent" If you are up for it |
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I tried it with custard pies. I was arrested for attempted murder with a class 5 weapon. I'm currently serving 14 consecutive life terms and may get the chair. The judge deemed me 'The most horrific butcher in all of time'.
This may be my last message to the outside world as they are talking of 24/7 solitary confinement less my flakey crust ever ends another life. |
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That isn't really a good experiment, on account of the fact that police officers have been known to arrest and even charge people with crimes they have not technically committed, in order to punish certain behaviors they don't like (like bystanders video-recording arrests, or directing foul language at an officer, for two very prolific examples).
Also, are we supposed to be black when doing this, or not? It's kind of an important detail, since it would mean the difference between facing a fine and/or potential jail time and facing potential summary execution. |
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For some reason I thought that social injustice warriors were supposed to have a sense of humor. Well, apparently not. Let's ask Wikipedia for help, then:
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You guys seem to be in denial about the way the Nazi from the video was attacked: Nobody threw an egg at his face, which is what happened in all your awful tales. And in your case, cullennz: There are several things that I wouldn't recommend doing to cops because they might have repercussions. That doesn't mean that they constitute violence, which is what you seem to imply. I also like this paragraph in the article about egging:
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I can't imagine how many Mexicans have lost their eyesight on that account. Related: Pieing (Wikipedia) This case from Sweden makes me wonder if the hen laying the egg can be considered an accomplice to the crime:
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/dann "Stupidity renders itself invisible by assuming very large proportions. Completely unreasonable claims are irrefutable. Ni-en-leh pointed out that a philosopher might get into trouble by claiming that two times two makes five, but he does not risk much by claiming that two times two makes shoe polish." B. Brecht "The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions." K. Marx |
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I almost forgot:
I offer a challenge to you!
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/dann "Stupidity renders itself invisible by assuming very large proportions. Completely unreasonable claims are irrefutable. Ni-en-leh pointed out that a philosopher might get into trouble by claiming that two times two makes five, but he does not risk much by claiming that two times two makes shoe polish." B. Brecht "The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions." K. Marx |
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/dann "Stupidity renders itself invisible by assuming very large proportions. Completely unreasonable claims are irrefutable. Ni-en-leh pointed out that a philosopher might get into trouble by claiming that two times two makes five, but he does not risk much by claiming that two times two makes shoe polish." B. Brecht "The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions." K. Marx |
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