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I personally know someone who was knocked out by a raw egg (outside his school, age sixteen). It caught him in the middle of his forehead and (presumably) must have impacted with its 'pointy end', where they're actually very rigid. Whatever, I'm surprised at the rather elastic (and self-serving?) definitions that some posters here have of 'nazi' and 'assault'. |
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The risk/reward scorecard for assaulting nazis (not limited to egging) is out of whack.
REWARDS Tangible Visceral pleasure of sticking it to a nazi Stops the nazi from what they're doing at that moment Debatable Stops the nazi long term Deters other nazis RISKS Tangible Normalizes political violence Violent retaliation Imperfect targeting -- innocent parties assaulted in chaotic situations Debatable Encourages other nazis It's not even close, unless you're confident these assaults deter other nazis. I don't see how one gains such confidence. I suspect other posters will think of risks/rewards that don't occur to me. |
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Welcome to the forum. You will have to get used to objections to claims that sound like urban myths if all you have is anecdotal evidence (Wikipedia): "I personally know someone who ..."
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Do you know the experiment where you place an egg between your hands and press at both ends? It's supposed to prove that you can't break an eggs that way. If you try, I recommend a big bowl underneath for the omelette you'll be making afterwards. In this case, all I could find was this:
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/dann "Stupidity renders itself invisible by assuming very large proportions. Completely unreasonable claims are irrefutable. Ni-en-leh pointed out that a philosopher might get into trouble by claiming that two times two makes five, but he does not risk much by claiming that two times two makes shoe polish." B. Brecht "The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions." K. Marx |
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I personally know of two tragic cases of egg attacks dann et al refuse to admit are violence.
One a truck driver who had an egg biffed at his head. Hit him on the forehead and the mixture temporarily blinded him, affecting his driving. The truck swerved through a fence and onto a runway in the path of a landing 767. The plane had to try to swerve, but flipped and 231 passengers and the truckie were were unfortunately all killed in horror. The other was a soldier who ran nuclear weapon launches in Nevada His colleague egged him for a joke and during the ensuing confusion he accidently launched a missile at a small village near Scunthorpe in the UK. The UK and US govt covered it up so you may not have heard of it. 12,567 dead all because of what dann calls "justice" Some of the above might be slightly made up |
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I think Nazis should be beaten; with a whisk, in a large bowl with some milk and flour, then cooked on a griddle and served with a side of fava beans, and a nice Chianti.
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But all gangs of white supremacists are angry that is the whole point of white supremacy. But advocating violence never hurt anyone, that is why we need to silence any advocation of violence against these harmless white supremacists who only want to cleanse the country of the untermensch.
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Hey lots of nazis were regarded as harmless blowhards back in the day too. See this New York Times article.
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They are all schrodingers Nazi, as Chris Cantwell typifies. Sure he is happy to be violent and assault people as if he was really a nazi, but then cries on the internet about being persecuted for merely beating people so clearly just a blowhard and not a true nazi.
See they are clearly only real nazis when they are actively engaged in violence. After the christchurch shooting the shooter went right back to being an internet troll and blowhard with his OK symbols. Totally harmless then. |
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You know what, no. Sorry, but this is utter BS. I personally have no problem with a bunch of edgelord pseudo-Nazis getting swept up with the "real" Nazis. Everyone in this culture knows, or should know if they're not idiots living under rocks, what a Nazi is and what being a Nazi means. Certainly the edgelords playing at Nazis do, otherwise they would find someone else to emulate to prove how edgy they are. And ultimately that doesn't bloody well matter. It's not my responsibility to split hairs deciding who is a "real" Nazi, and who is a LARPing edgelord, because the end result is the same in either case -- more promotion of the Nazi worldview. And in case you haven't forgotten, these "fake Nazi edgelords" have murdered dozens of people in the US and elsewhere in the last few years. How many more people do they need to kill before you'll take them seriously and stop spewing white nationalist propaganda in your insistence that we should ignore them? Nope, it doesn't work that way. If you're going to going around wearing the symbols and spewing the propaganda and playing at being a Nazi, it doesn't matter if you really believe what you're saying or if you're just doing it to shock and troll people. If you're going to act like a Nazi, you don't get to whine when you get treated like a Nazi, and get swept up with the "real" Nazis. Maybe you should re-evaluate what you are doing with your life, and stop associating yourself with the worst people in human history. Just sayin'. |
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Yes. Even the German Nazi Nazis weren't really Nazis until the Kristallnacht (Wikipedia) in 1938. After that, egging would have been justified (but not in accordance with German law, of course) if you carefully avoided hitting them in the face. |
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In nearly all jurisdictions in the US, verbally berating someone is an act of violence. Yet most people seem to be okay with that sort of violence. Too many people are hung up on this black and white view of "violence", and seem to be unwilling to consider that there are degrees of violence, and that all acts of violence are most emphatically not equal. Spitting on someone is an act of violence. Shooting someone in the head with a shotgun is an act of violence. Attempting to equate the two is morally and intellectually bankrupt and beyond stupid, at best. |
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